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Joe Malkin: 0:45

Welcome to missing the point I'm Joe Malkin. He's re Shawn Buchanan. And we're a long time we're doing this solo. We have no rules. Without dad here. There is no Craig. Tonight as we are recording on our own. So we'll see if this works. It did the last time we did it. So it should this time, but welcome in to missing the point. Our our episode this week with Ray Nye is it's an interesting one because for the first time in a long time, Ray and I have disagreed on a lot of things this week, in terms of football, and as we just learned in the world of the Boston Celtics. So, right let's start off with let's talk about week 13 of the NFL, because, you know, Dave, Dave has been saying it for a while Bobby's kind of echoed it. And I think we're all on board that this has been one of the most exciting NFL seasons in a very long time. And not just from a patriot standpoint, just in general the storylines, whether good or bad. The it's been, you know, whether we're talking about the Detroit Lions, or the Houston Texans or Mack Jones, Tom Brady, you know, it's Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger now it's just been a fun season. As you know, it's interesting as a new age of quarterback is starting to emerge in the NFL, and some of the older guys are getting phased out except for Tom Brady. Again, timeless, timeless Tom Smith. All right, let's talk about the New England Patriots because our New England Patriots now sit atop the AFC after their 14 to 10 Monday night football win over the Buffalo Bills. And you it's almost like to you this was a loss, which is funny because it was obviously you said after the game, it was a huge win. This is gigantic. Shawn McDermott was out coach blah, blah, blah, all this other stuff. But during the game, you were you you were like Bobby watching a Cowboys game. It was it was stressful. Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 2:47

That's, that's why I was laughing as you opening it up good. I was just like, man, I was so I just couldn't I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I say Yo, like, oh, Campbell's not walking through this door. Franco Harris has not walked into this door liaison because I walked into this door. John Riggins is not walking through this door. Or the guy couldn't remember oldest Anderson Jose was added to it. Finally, I got them. Dave, I got it.

Joe Malkin: 3:11

We got a Dave, we want that point. Yeah. It was a point. You know, these

Rayshawn Buchanan: 3:16

guys are walking through the door. So I said, Yo, you have FortiGate plays on offense, and you run of 97% of the time, I was just I just figured at some point. I'm like, yo, like you have to least, you know, just I mean, can we get a screen? Like, I mean, I know Kevin Faulk or James was not there. I get it. You know, that's not the era but it's like my god, like you get a five, a six shot pass. But you know, hey, I would prove it wrong. I've never been happier to prove me wrong.

Joe Malkin: 3:44

I want to go back. I wish I screenshotted the conversation we were having during the just to read the back and forth transcript between us. Because it was it was while I

Rayshawn Buchanan: 3:55

mean, yeah, obviously, we have so many messages the day and our group chat. But no, I mean, it was I was just like, Yo, like, this is not next time, we finally cannot just keep running and keep running, keep running. But that you know, and I wrote this in the group chat, like it was amazing. It really seemed like the 2014 AFC Championship Game Now obviously, that was a blowout and you know, he was at home. You know, like I was just doing whatever you want to do that they really whoever touched the ball, but they were still whatever he wanted, but for rushing touchdowns that day. That's that's what this game was reminiscent of just without the you know, the massive touchdown I loved that Damien Harris was the guy that scored it. You know I am even though you know, you and I are Stevenson, guys. Like I

Joe Malkin: 4:35

said, Give me Damien Harris every day at least.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 4:39

Yeah, I was on the Harris bandwagon. So I was like, Yeah, let's go. So I was pleased to see that he had $100 I was pleased to see that Steve was in at a great game, but because I know there's still so many Mac Jones haters out there. I just want him to at least have 100 yards. And I know it doesn't matter to the outside world. That's that's that's a it's a personal thing. Because if someone said it to me on Facebook yesterday, which is true. It was like there's no way Brady would have through three or four times there's no way there's no

Joe Malkin: 5:07

way I was just gonna I was just gonna kind of repeat what you were saying and you just segwayed into it of the worst thing that happened to Mack Jones and it would have been the way it was with any quarterback in New England. Like worst thing is that they came after the 20 year legacy of Tom Brady Right. And no, you can look back at the 2011 season. And, you know, it's interesting, I've heard somebody make a comparison or come say something the other day that we have to compartmentalize and separate the fact that this team is not like the 2001 team. But the feelings of the fans around the team, is what it felt like in 2001. But in and I'll say until the cows come home, Mack Jones is not Tom Brady, Tom Brady is not Mack Jones, you know, there's not a guy in front of Mack Jones, that's going to get knocked out by moe Lewis on the sideline, and then he's going to have to come in, and there's going to be no expectations. Unfortunately, there's every single expectation on Matt Jones, Mack Jones. So the haters are gonna sit here and say these things. Well, Brady wouldn't have done that. And Brady wouldn't have done this well, no, probably not. Because Brady had a different skill set than Mack Jones. And that's not a bad thing. It's not necessarily a good thing in all phases. But it's, it's still a Bill Belichick coach team, and the way Bill Belichick coach, that team and coach circles around Shawn McDermott except for one mistake, which we'll talk about in a minute. He coached circles around McDermott and knew exactly what he was doing and he threw off McDermott's game plan defensively because he thought that they were gonna at least throw the ball a little bit, and they didn't, and they just pounded the rock and they just kept going into the defensive line, which that defensive front seven I mean, that's a good defense. That's a very good defense. But even without Who are they missing? Trinitarians Wait, even without him. That is still a very good defense, and build did exactly what he needed to do. Sean McDermott always gets his knickers in a bunch. When the Patriots go up to Buffalo. He always seems to just have a bad day. Whatever lose you just seems like you had a bad day. And I don't know if it's just the adrenaline or what it is. But back to the mack Jones Tom Brady thing. Mack Jones is not Tom Brady. He's never gonna be Tom Brady's gonna be back Jones. Right? If he can win a game as an NFL quarterback, completing two of three passes for 19 yards. More power to him. I mean, he's still the quarterback, he still had to run the offense. I mean, we we look at some of these college teams that have been in our successful running the the wing T or the triple option, and it works. And that was a modified triple option, wing T offense and Mac wasn't even running. I think he rolled out twice, once on the screen. And once on the other pass to the sideline to Aguilar, that was incomplete. His only incompletion of the night. Remember that only incompletion that night. So, you know, it's just it's so interesting to watch that game because the back and forth you and I had gone I was sitting with Craig and we were watching the game. And we're both like, wow, Ray's really just he's really wound up. It's like, Yeah, throw the ball. But what what was amazing to me is that one, they scored that touchdown, because they probably did. They didn't expect to score that touchdown. But the moment Damien Harris broke that run, and scored the game was over. And I know you didn't think so all the time. And I didn't either. But I said it to you on Twitter afterwards of Yeah. When you said if they threw the ball, they could have had this game locked up earlier. I think they had at the moment deeming Harris cross that goal line, because I don't think either coach expected it. I don't think any of the fans expected it in attendance or sitting on either one of our couches. I didn't expect it off. And then that was it. And then you have the second best kicker in the league. As long as Justin Tucker's in the league, Nick

Unknown: 8:55

Foles can be you know, we feel we have got the right job.

Joe Malkin: 8:59

It only Jersey I would buy it right now as Justin Tucker for myself anyway. But but it was over at that point. And it was just that it was such a weird game to watch because it was a lot of fun. And it wasn't bad football. Everybody's it was bad football. That's that's good football. That's fun football, because Bill Belichick that's exactly the type of game claim that they try and run on on a weekly basis. And it worked.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 9:23

Yeah, I mean, well, I want to go back because you wrote something about using that there's no one in front of Matt Jones to have like a mobile was the moment is it fair to say that the mobile was moment came when they you know release cam and the Amazon's like, Okay, now that's all you buddy. We're not we're not gonna have someone there that's providing the shoulder. It's like now it's on you. All you got to deliver and you know, really outside the stays game. He has, you know, the sales game was was the worst game of the year obviously on all fronts, not just offensively defensively, they just they just sucked. You know, Mr. Crabb latest came in and just did whatever he he wanted. But yeah, I mean, you know, I have to say I have to be transparent I definitely contradicted myself. I think I said it in the chat. I say you know, I said well, why don't we Why don't we go back and do what you know we used to do go against what people thought we were gonna do. And you just set it right you said he went the data labels gonna pass. Usually it was okay. It's windy like yeah, store all over the field. See, you can go do 2030 For up to 250 a touchdown and hold it that's what I thought was gonna happen right a when it gets to be like you said once daily habits broke really wasn't saying to play that Tennessee run against us the week before and once a week ago and and you know just ran through the middle of it was like okay wait a minute well that happened here maybe we could do this up there and it literally was you know suit that's the only time Jesse Josh I was just it was how it was I Tosai formation and he scored so yeah, but today like I'm happy with the way I said they are. I don't know they're still the best team in the NFL. I said we'll get us out when we discuss Bogguss heartbreakers but it's just I just think today everything has fallen right for them kind of like it did in 2001 when you know certain things you just thought of okay well can they be Pittsburgh? Can you do this? Can you do that? And they just kept finding a way I will say this is the biggest signature when you know you know I think I got a little drunk with it right you know what you smack the Jets you smack Cleveland and once again we can say we will Boxley would not play would be in Cleveland on paper to paper he was a very good team with or without what was on the field like they are very good team especially defensively and we got wherever we want it you know the charges got smacked around Tennessee got smacked around Atlanta got got shut out so like to me I was expecting lat I just like it me and Mike said it I was like I don't want it buffalo but I was expecting that I was thinking okay becoming their talent. The Monday night game a couple years ago when the 40 trick quick them off. They're right about that's what I was expecting. I was expecting that type of Allah. He don't play almost out of Asia. Phil's always had him at the end. But I'm just glad today knock it down. And it was game over. But I would just be greedy. I wanted dominance. And I said that a few times. I've learned dominance and it was dominant.

Joe Malkin: 12:17

I was gonna say it was it was dominant. Well, that's the thing. You look at the game. And I mean, obviously, obviously buffalo is it is a I call them a wagon in the preseason, I don't know, seven and five. So they've got a broken wheel. But they're still that's a good football team man. But you're they're being exposed. They're being exposed. And, you know, we talked about the mastery of Bill Belichick and we've talked about it for so many years, whether it was on the radio when we were in college or now or just through social media over the years and some people out of your home or you know, Bill Belichick is a master he just exposed the entire Buffalo Bills, coaching staff Buffalo Bills team. He's got Sean McDermott in a tizzy. He doesn't know what to do with himself. And, you know, Josh Allen is a very good quarterback. He's kind of like Ricky Vaughn from Major League, you know that shit out of the ball, but he doesn't know where it's going. Kinda. He's also my fantasy quarterback still got me 14 points on Monday Night Football, I was gonna lose. I was like, 40 going into the game. But saying, Yeah, right. But it was just it was masterful, and it was dominant. And ever since that lost to Dallas, and Bill took over the play calling on events. It's been a completely different feel on both sides of the ball. And I keep saying it to everyone, and I'll say it to all the listeners, Bill took the leash off of the team. And he said, Go, this is our game plan. You all understand it. Let's go run it. Let's go play some football. And they're having fun. They don't look stiff. Even Mack Jones it just in his press conferences, go back and let's do a press conference from like week two, though, after the win against the Jets, and then go and listen to the win against buffalo, where he threw for 90 nights, the kids just having fun. They're having fun. So it's not supposed to be fun to play for Bill Belichick. Well, right now, when you're on a seven game winning streak, and you're a top the AFC, you're the number one seed in the AFC when you were two and four. No, I mean, Anthony Treece, we talked about it so many times. He predicted them to have four or five wins. They've more than doubled it. They've done they've doubled that for wind for Mike says it to all the time that he was playing it safe and right at that point, it was a safe bet. Because I mean, we've seen what Cam Newton has done now in Carolina. He's not he's clearly not the guy he was when he first got here. Even so, you know, it just yeah, this is kind of all tying it back to like what you said about that being his Mo Lewis moment with Cam Newton getting cut. Yeah, I would probably say so. But I've said it from the beginning. I think they knew they were going with Mack Jones when they drafted him. And I think that through camp and the preseason, they realized that was the right choice. And they said, well, well, this kid can play. Let's get smart. He's an intelligent quarterback, but he's had private quarterback coaches since he was eight years old. This kid's not messing around. That's 15 years of having private quarterback coaching. And now he's playing for the best coach in arguably NFL history. Sure, there's a lot of really good coaches that have coached in the NFL, but right now Bill's probably the top of the list. But yeah, you know, I'm with you. It was weird because we were saying the same thing. But I was like, you know, don't throw the ball because you make a mistake. And it was about letting them make the mistakes. And at the end of the day, they didn't. And I gotta tell you, why can I think Brian's first name? The DB 41 Miles Brian miles Brian, he is. He's a good football player. Like he's a role player defender like he, he came in in a big spot and played his position perfectly. And granted the defensive line, the front seven has played outstanding. Barrymore has been more than I he right now might be the best draft pick from this year's draft for the Patriots. And that's that's over max Jones. Like he might be the best the best route. Stephenson. Yeah, Stephenson, as has been very good.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 16:14

I would say most important, maybe not the best. I'm

Joe Malkin: 16:16

not sure. I think that I think that the way that that he and jutaan kind of play off each other. I think that that just lends itself to greatness. And no, Adrian Phillips has been playing outstanding. Matthew jutaan is just a man. He is a man amongst boys. I mean, he is just outstanding, and I'm so happy. He you know, I was scared when again when Mike asked Karen Gregan about him him being a dahlias. Thomas, and I'm just so happy he's he's just he's playing football and he's

Rayshawn Buchanan: 16:47

having he's been nothing like like that. Like he's been more like all this Smith before.

Joe Malkin: 16:54

Oh, before we got arrested again today.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 16:57

Yeah, yeah, so I was just like, wow, yeah, that that's what he's been more like and I mean, I'm, I'm thankful because I said we needed a Chandler Jones type guy up front and now now they have that high towels returned to form. They got you know, I'm rocking. You know, the other 50 for the original 54 Tedy Bruschi

Joe Malkin: 17:16

I made a comparison real quick to Hightower because just to kind of to play devil's advocate off of your Hightower take there. She looked slow and old to me the other night.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 17:27

Yes, the other night, but as of late, he's been better, thankfully.

Joe Malkin: 17:31

And I compare them to Gerrard Mayo at the end of his career and and quickly, Craig kind of half corrected me and was like, Well, Dr. Mayo had a lot of injuries at the end of his career. I said true. I said, Hey, you know, Hightower had an injury, but he was also out last year, he chose not to play during the COVID season and and I just, I see so many comparisons where he had such a tough time covering the running backs for Buffalo, and really the only one that's actually speedy is Matt Breeden. I mean, Zack moss and Devin Singletary are not they're not speedsters, and he was getting beat to the edge. And not everyone plays just unpassed plays he was just getting beat and Alan was able to find them in the in the flat but I agree with you he's looked better. He's such a leader that he makes up for his deficiencies in the in in the past game. Yep. Him according Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 18:25

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, even those has been somewhat serviceable. I mean, I've talked about wanting him dining to get on the bus at the same games but he's gotten better like say mas briars, but has been great. You know, think about the early years right? So, guys like ug Wilson. So Bucky Jones?

Joe Malkin: 18:44

Earth Wind Moreland? Yeah. Wow. Wow.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 18:48

It's I did just just, there's just so many, you know, so many names that we can give, but that's how he's passionate together. And, you know, obviously, you know, I missed doing more and I want to go more, I think I can only imagine how much better they would have been with Gilmore and Jackson there with Jude on doing this, like, my god, we may be set at night for maybe 11 or two. Who knows? If I went to Dallas ama by when you know, they probably wouldn't have a game to honestly, you know, going back at that so, uh, but either way, there's no way if any of us saw seven in a row where we're lying when I'm beyond I'm happy glad as my grandmother say, we're happy glad. I'm glad they're on the street and yet they're playing on this brand of football. And you know, just to pump the test a little bit. And you know, Craig when he when you do this, you'll just give me a sound bite one of the sound bites. Ah, so the listeners out there and all by knowing what I have to say this just we thought it was safe. Just so you thought it was safe to say that it was over that you couldn't be you know, the diversity was over just like that. These motherfuckers are back and they don't

Joe Malkin: 20:01

have to win the Super Bowl for it to be proven because if they go into the playoffs as the one seed coming off or seven and nine season well, it'll all be it'll all be writing in and you know, I've heard this and I've said this so much have you know the Buffalo Bills thought they had they thought they had it they thought the run was over. That was it was done. Tom Brady's gone, patriots are done for

Rayshawn Buchanan: 20:24

Nope yeah and I'm like to me and I mean I we didn't touch on it but I will just say we insist teuer and Micah Hyades responses let me know their rattle their Robin if they were right on that credit Do you know do I know what I'm saying? But I'm saying those are the ones that answer so I'm Africa like they're they're the poles the poles of the team so I just felt like you know even McDermott like that they're random so even though I thought I think they'll come here and win and a few weeks like nothing they said no no I'm saying I'm saying well that's what I thought before I said well, I said well went up there I think we've been phenomenal on the road. And just a quick aside I was thinking about something I heard the legend Isaiah Tom but not not something about God this is legit. I've been on this show jelly XM a long time ago with a one there's good back to back, raisin 89 and 90. He said, Just everyone highs everyone fillable winning on the opposite even with Bill about just winning one game, like I'm paraphrasing but basically they all felt that you know, game one line they could win one game. So he basically said okay, cool. Home cores out of home court doesn't matter to us. No just put us in the news. And that's what's happening here. They're winning on the road so if they weren't to jump to five like like a media host was hoping that they did so you could talk shit about it today. Oh, well it did happen but they've proven great teams when on the road. So and they did drop to tool because Kennedy said your songs tend to spy I'm not worried that they can go on the road and get one any anywhere, anywhere. Even though the first game would be at home obviously but yeah, there isn't around oamc sandwich game there to get there. I'm not I was more worried to let honestly and so recently I have to after the first yesterday I was Oh my god. Yeah, I was nervous about that. But yeah, yeah, Buffalo definitely was Rado. And I'm not sure. Like I date. Brian Flores might get them next week to like that's not a far fetched.

Joe Malkin: 22:21

They're there. They're at Tampa next week.

Unknown: 22:23

Oh Sam. Oh God all gotten a lot done. It was at a Sunday they have five

Joe Malkin: 22:27

that's a good segue they they have five games left. The the five games of three of which are at home, two of which are on the run. Or at home games. They have December 19 against the Panthers January 2 against the Falcons and January 9 against the Jets. Now if the Buffalo Bills play like the Buffalo Bills, they should win those three games. Right isn't easy. But now the Jets have been sneaky. The Jets have been a weird. The last excuse. Robert Sala is not going to lay down to any of us at all. I like him so much and I think the Jets are going to be all right. Eventually. The Falcons are streaky there you can be good and bad. The Panthers the Panthers are done. I mean the Panthers started off hot but without Christian McCaffrey and if they can't figure out the quarterback situation down there and they have completely mismanaged that quarterback situation. It's an absolute s show. But the last two away games of the season are at Tampa and at New England. And that's dangerous because if you the way Sean McDermott like you just said he's rattled. I i am i have been of the mind of I'm not gonna sit here and rude for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers because Tom Brady is there like, I'm just not gonna do that. Like I don't I don't mind seeing him do well, like great they won the Super Bowl. He's the best quarterback of all time. But love you mean it? You know, whatever. Right? But I hope Tampa puts up 45 On buffalo this week. I want to see him I want to see him put up 45 On Buffalo and just and I don't care if it's 4544 I just want to see buffalo get beat because you're right he is rattled. And now he just had to play the professor and now he's got to go play the greatest of all time.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 24:17

Yeah, yeah. It'll get any easier and I say now not a Gronk This is back if that's the key people could talk about what happened with a B or whatever I've been as a dog man or Scotty Miller none of that matters. No 87 is on as as you know me and Mike have been just saying this all week. I know he's more than mad at Gronk than I am all but as time goes on, that's the best duo of I've ever seen. Absolutely.

Joe Malkin: 24:42

Like hit as is like that. And we've seen some really good Duo's too. Yeah, for

Rayshawn Buchanan: 24:47

sure. For sure. What we always say is we see some great duels up here but it's like you know, it's unbelievable what they're able to do and they're about to break another record I think soon so yeah, I hope I hope they destroyed them by Indianapolis destroyed that's what I want to see forget about. Forget about 4544 I want to see what Indianapolis is for your 15 That's what I want is Bill's

Joe Malkin: 25:08

team is just so it's there's such a strange football team because they shouldn't be they should be so much better and like they'd have to but then you know they lose to the Titans which the Titans are good football team by shut out the Texans but then they lose to the Jaguars they blow out the jets and then and then get blown out by the Colts, you know, and again, the Jets are a bad football team right now and the Colts. The Colts are above average football team for what it's worth. I mean, if we're putting it on a scale of one to 10, they're like a 5.75 or six like the Colts aren't bad football team. Then they go and blow out the saints and then they lose that dogfight to the Patriots. Now the biggest thing and I know we're kind of getting into the Buffalo Bills mindset here, but if he goes out and gets beat up by by Tampa, after getting beat up by Bill and the Patriots, I feel like he could get beat by the Panthers just because he's gonna go into that game against the Panthers looking ahead to the game in New England, the following weekend. You know what I mean? Like he they realistically could lose four in a row here. Now, they realistically could win, they could win two out of the next three, they could come in here and they should be the Panthers. That's it. That's a good football team in Buffalo. But I just think I think what a lot of what it is, is and we just talked about how they thought they had it, they thought it was theirs. And I think that pressure is getting to McDermott because he because it was like you could skate when you had it. But now you know you don't have it anymore. You are you're the seven seat. The Buffalo bag. We're the one seat at one point in the AFC they are they are now the 17 Yep, they are they are fighting off the bottom of the barrel for the for the final playoff spot with five weeks to go.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 26:49

Yeah, so I made that definitely a tough scene what people forget last year too. Yeah, you know, I know we were going off about it and the moment where a camera fumble away from them being in Buffalo camera was Jim who was giving them work to up there. And buffalo Dave and Bill Owens and Bill Owens gives them workup they're like no I'm saying I'm saying but I'm saying Can't they can't even stop cam sorry. They could have started they could have stopped cam last year and I said they were not technically they do that better weapons right now than what we had last year so DJ more and I'll curse him he was gone he's up in Washington but they they they may mess around so yeah that that's not necessarily it's a buffalo should win. But like you said it wouldn't be a shocker if Carolina either comes into wherever the games that and it's in Buffalo can't yet camp has a one throw back a performance whether it was ladies J Mater let PJ longer go I don't I don't I don't care if it's Steve Berlin I just I just I just I just I just need or take too long whatever you want to put there I you know bring my dog on Carolina team you know bring him back. Jordan rose Briana Briana guys back I just need to see you know this team going Shambles but it looks like they're already they're in shambles and you know you just you just love love to see it but like I said just when you thought it was safe were back I'll get right back

Joe Malkin: 28:17

sorry. I do just want to point out too that while we while we all thought they were kind of down and out we I don't want to leave the Miami Dolphins out of this conversation because they're still in the playoff on they they have they have four games left and and they are in a good position where if they can keep winning and winning the games that they're supposed to they could they could overtake Buffalo for the number two spot Nice. So I'll say half a game their game and a half behind.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 28:49

Either they will and I'll say that I'll put that on all watch right now. I think they will Flores clearly good coach to us finally playing. Well my God, you know and Logan Ryan,

Joe Malkin: 29:02

sir. Really? You it wasn't like he was logged

Rayshawn Buchanan: 29:06

down here in New England. What cup come on some of why I'm laughing at though two yards. Really? Wait, he just taught y'all. How about that. And I said bye bye to standards. You know, he's looking like left handed. You read the last, you know, a few weeks. So that's the guy that's going to be around then they're going to be around because, uh Brian Forrest he was going to defend defend. Uh huh. So and you know, when you have kiseki and oh my god, Jalen Watteau. Oh my god, this guy is phenomenal. Like, it just it makes me think like, I really wish granted he wasn't going to do this because they just wasn't going to you know, just give it up to us as a division but could you imagine if we'd had the six cripples and 15 we addressed the water and they got back at 13 Oh my god or or or we got parses that set and then all all by God, like,

Joe Malkin: 30:01

super we can go back and play that game. But right now

Rayshawn Buchanan: 30:04

I was I was I was I was on a general Wahoo training. He was just he was just someone that was hurt. Oh, sure. I was late night he could. He could play. He's working himself into top tech compensation. And in a few years on, he's been dominant down there in Miami so they got a good thing going on. Yeah, I do think they have a legit site. Well, I'll book it they will become the second Team in nice and you know, but this season comes to a tragic end. We show off so so my age at pro players they know at hardrock

Joe Malkin: 30:34

it was pro player when you were living down there. Yeah, you know.

Unknown: 30:37

Yeah, you know. Yeah, you're right. It wasn't it's an hour. You're right

Joe Malkin: 30:40

show somebody here. So it's funny. It's funny you mentioned wide receivers because so here's the thing. Here's, this has kind of been the new thing in the NFL, right. So, you know, what did what did Cincinnati do for Joe burrow they went and got Jamar Chase. What did Miami do for two, then went out and got Jaylen waddle. So who's the who's the starting wide receiver in Alabama right now that can that played with Mack Jones that can come out next year and help him that's all we got to do. Oh, boy,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 31:14

he just got hurt, unfortunately. But my I mean, Georgia boy, he came back and dominated but yeah, oh my God. John mentioned the third guy. I'm on the bandwagon. I'm looking at him right now. Yeah, John. John makes you the third is that Listen, man, look, I was I was I was upset. I was I felt for him. He got hurt because I am on the bandwagon. But I might please, please, please, please let him fall. Let teams get nervous. And identity probably not gonna get nervous today said once again. The water was out here got hurt. And he came back and did well. But please, please let just let him keep falling that fall into our laps. Because head back Jones and John Michi had a pin dog and no report. An elbow just go back and watch the tape. You see him catching deep bombs all the time. He's out super big, but he's quick. He's short handed. Like I'm listening. I'm sure I turned to no cover when it comes to John mentioned a third. I'm a fan. I think wherever he goes he's going to do well which we are going to fuck rod a good job done by Pittsburgh and pick up that's it opened up.

Joe Malkin: 32:16

Yeah. Well, they're about to get a new quarterback too.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 32:18

So yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's that's true. But yep. Let's see. Yeah, Job Match. You got the guy either. They got another guy that's a junior might be coming out soon. So

Joe Malkin: 32:27

he's he was he's a transfer though. Johnson.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 32:31

Yeah, yeah. So listen, whatever. Put every kid do belt, please. Please. I know. I know. I know, Jeff. And my receivers is not your thing, especially that early. But I'm telling you, man, you're already you got you got a good foundation now break, go go find a way to get John McAfee the third and wash Mac become even more of what we thought he was going to be a winning can be going forward. But I think if he has those guys that get the yards after the catch, it's about to be it's gonna be a problem. It's already a problem now, how they're playing today, their top five and offense and defense, you know, so imagine that.

Joe Malkin: 33:07

Listen, Matt Mack John Mack Jones his career. It's like, it's like Denzel Washington says Herman Boone and Remember The Titans? It's like Novocaine Give it time. It always works. A bone. Exactly. So we've we've talked about the Patriots win over the bills and kind of where the Patriots are at this point and where we see the bills, and we even kind of give you a little bit of the dolphins but let's talk about this week, week. 13 slate of games because we had we had some interesting game some some interesting stuff happened this week in the NFL. The Houston Texans were shut out for the second time in three weeks, or four weeks, and they have been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, the first team to be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. And that was determined prior to the Detroit Lions getting their first win this week. So the Detroit Lions were owed 10 One and the Texans were it's just it's such a perfect storm. It's such a perfect storm for this Houston. This Houston franchise. I mean, they just they have they have a crappy owner. They have a a crappy president of football operations. You know, I won't speak poorly about Nick Caserio because I like Nick Caserio said I love Nick their head coach David Kelly. He's He's fine. I have no problem with him. I have no problem with the players either. But it clearly is a top down and it's just it unfortunately, it's fun to watch the demise of this franchise because they're just, it's terrible. They've never been good. They've been a franchise for 20 years. And in their 20th year, they have had to fire their head coach bringing a new guy bringing a new GM there, their owner and their president of football operations are both accused of and proven to be racist bigots and and and they got they had to let go of their best offensive player arguably in the history of the franchise because he was tired of it. If JJ Watt is tired of it, there's a problem. Shawn Watson I iced while I still think he did something wrong. I think there's something fishy going on there. Yep, I agree for you. So it's just it's interesting and kind of fun to watch a billionaires franchise fall as hard as the Texans have.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 35:29

Yeah, that I mean, that's the funniest thing. The funniest thing you said I can't believe it went mathematically eliminated before Detroit.

Joe Malkin: 35:37

Detroit can still make the playoffs by the way. Fucking wild. That's

Rayshawn Buchanan: 35:41

wild. Oh, yeah. You said the article like the 50 different ways that it goes like so. So there's a chance but that that's in That's wild. But listen, I'm with you. You know, they have Nyheter anything. Well, the only arrow they did really well, obviously, was the Kubiak error. Yeah. And they would make, you know, a little bit of Bill O'Brien before he started losing his mind,

Joe Malkin: 36:02

the beginning of Bill O'Brien because it was the team he inherited.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 36:06

Right, exactly. So yeah, so dad out off the 20, you know, five or six years, they was like, you know, somewhere relevant or whatever. So, you know, but they always got sent home early by us or you know, somebody else into the playoffs. So, yeah, but yeah, like you said, what you gave the talent is come through there. So, you know, you know, Mario Williams County, JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, Brian Crusher, right. When, you know, when do what do you Marsalis? You know, his his, you know, his amazing was was come through there. And yeah, I think about one of the corners is jogging, or something. I know, it was 25 stars and Joseph. Yeah, it's just ego. Yeah. So it was just like, man, like you, you've you've had some great guys come through there. And it just had it just hasn't mattered, you know, I think, you know, cooks is there now, and I feel bad for David. I do. I feel bad for David Kelly. Once again, another situation when, you know, an African American Coach comes in and, you know, then they're coming to a really messy situation. Now, granted, you know, you couldn't have foreseen even though the saltwater stuff was already out there. But I went through the job of I get it. If you don't get it now, he probably wasn't going to get the role. But this probably wasn't

Joe Malkin: 37:17

it. It probably wasn't,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 37:19

but I wasn't I get it like Usain Bolt guy got to take it was just like, I just I just wished that you could have waited maybe one more year.

Joe Malkin: 37:28

I don't think it'll be I don't think it'll be held against him.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 37:31

Oh, no, it's not to be able to gusta but you know, he, he won't he won't make it past next season of Ramadan season like that. And that that's what bothers me.

Joe Malkin: 37:39

If he doesn't make it though. If he doesn't make it, and this franchise is as bad as they've been. You can't in your right mind as a coach at any level. Take that job, but you just can't. I mean, I've been around college sports enough and, and watched enough professional football and professional sports in general. Like that franchise. I understand why he took the job. I get it. Yeah. And it was a it was a crappy situation in even when Nick Caserio in there, I even said it on on an episode after Caserio and like, I don't know what he's doing. And then And then, and then he's not answering his phone when people are calling him to trade for Deshaun. Watson. He's not He's not answering his phone. People are leaving messages and filling up the voicemail in the Caserio just got there. I think they I think there's just a directive from from ownership of the higher ups. And I don't know if they're trying to liquidate assets, and they're gonna sell the team. But I mean, this is a problem. And it's a problem that the NFL has to address. And I know that this year, they've they've addressed a lot of the issues with Washington, and they've addressed a lot of the issues with Jon Gruden, one who who's now suing the league and you know, that'll be in development for a while but you can't you can't look at the Houston to I understand that there's favoritism among the owners and while Wow, Roger Goodell is the Commissioner something a lot of people don't realize is they're like, Well, why doesn't he do this to these organizations? It's because he's not he's not in control. The the owners are he's he just oversees it now. Are there disciplinary things that have to come down? Yes, absolutely. When Jim Irsay was caught in Indianapolis with a bag of cash and drugs in his car, gym Mercedes still it wasn't a casino it was laying so it's so funny because you look at it. And I mean, funny. It is in a full pot kind of way. Not a funny haha. But you look at Jim or say the dude's actually not a bad owner. Like he's a good owner and his players and his organization. They love him in Indianapolis. And he's so he's so good for the city of Indianapolis. He's done so much. But you look at something like that story and no McNair that the owner of the Texans has not been caught doing the things he's been doing. Stan Crunky is just a terrible human being but he hasn't been caught miss things, but it's like Jim or say is a good owner in the NFL. Because you have the cons the the crankies the I mean, Mark Davis is even a good owner. And I mean, he inherited the team. But this McNair guy in Houston man like he just the NFL has to do something about about him and I don't know where that begins. But But he he He needs to sell that team because right now, no matter what the Detroit Lions could have done, oh, 16 and one the Houston Texans are the laughingstock of the NFL backs.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 40:33

Well, I mean, maybe so, not the difference of basketball, but it is relevant to the conversation. So, Neil O'Shea, who has served as the GM of the Portland Trailblazers for a while, you know, they lost an investigation on him, and, you know, found him to be racist and had big adjustments and the whole night so, you know, I think the other day, you know, as we record this on On Wednesday, the day you know, they they let them go, you know, when they say when I say, relieve them of his duties,

Joe Malkin: 41:02

you mutually parted ways. Yeah, yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 41:05

please. Yeah, yeah. No, you're fine. Does that say all right, all that shit, but Nah, man, I just I think that maybe now, you launched an investigation on McNair, like, Well, you gotta you gotta go do something. Even he said, I know. He said it was proven but now it's okay. And that's why I'm so I'm so intrigued by the job Buddha thing, like, I want dominoes to fall.

Joe Malkin: 41:28

Well, it's just gonna be it's gonna be just like the wells report. It's gonna be like, all these other criminal cases that have come out through sport, you know, it's like the Epstein flight logs. Like, we're gonna find out all these things about all these people that we, you know, and you know, and some people are gonna skate by because there is going to have to, I shouldn't say have to be, there is going to be a level of guilty within this, right? Like, yeah, it's Jon Gruden. What he did and what he said, as I as I talked to a black male here, what he did, and what he said was unacceptable, right. But, but there is, there's a lot worse things than Jon Gruden emails going on in this world. And and this case, in this case is going to expose those people.

Unknown: 42:16

Right. I just love a good scandal. So I

Joe Malkin: 42:21

re sit here watching the Real Housewives.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 42:25

Right. As long as I'm not really, I'll bet I listen. I'd like listen, I was like, wow, okay. Um, you know, like it like I said, Really? You guys brought it up for me? You guys wanted to show right out this I appreciate y'all for telling my joke, but he definitely hit email definitely was spider why'd you banana@gmail.com I'm wearing Hotmail died. That's how well maybe he's older. So it might have been smarter wide to AOL. AOL right or at net zero, right. That's it. Oh, yeah. Well, we have oh my god. Oh, that dial

Joe Malkin: 42:59

TV when I was growing up, but I thought it was the coolest thing when we had it. I love like, Dad. Well, what's wrong with you? Yeah, I love it. I love it's great.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 43:05

Yeah. So yeah, I'm here with Chris cannabis. I'm at Bama, Georgia. I'm singing like a canary. And whatever you want to know.

Joe Malkin: 43:13

He's got nothing to lose. He's got

Rayshawn Buchanan: 43:17

you fired me already. I got my friend Mike giving them money. Yeah, I got my money from Mark. Cool. I'm saying like a bird was just another photog I was thinking, whatever, you

Joe Malkin: 43:29

know, it was a lot of that money was was guaranteed. And you know, Mark Davis, the Divas family is loaded. So I'm not saying he's still getting paid by the franchise. I don't think that's what, but I can guarantee we cut them a check on the side or handing them a couple of solo or is he didn't want to do that Mark Davis didn't want to let go of him. Are you kidding? Now? Now granted, Dave? Dave doesn't like him. And I understand why Dave doesn't like him. He's not like the greatest coach of all time. He won a Super Bowl off of Tony Dungy, his coattails, like, I get that. But man, like they didn't want to let him go. But that meeting was probably like, man, what are you doing? Like, why? Why are you sending this stuff? Like, you know, you know, we have to let you go now we have to save face. We just moved to this new city, we just moved. And we're trying you know, this. This is a sport and a world where where it's a very, it's very diverse, and his world is very much progressive into this into this world of acceptance. And that's what we have to do and you can't you can't be saying these things. And and he didn't want to let him go so it was like, you know, shake my hand here's a couple stacks for you on the way out the door and that none of that magic. Oh, yeah. Because Because that never happens. You know, it's like and I'm not comparing anything but it's like it's like when there's like a scandal with a teacher or a police officer or something and it's like all their unpaid administrative leave whoo great. So they're learning their lesson to sit at home and still collect a taxpayer payment Now granted, there's no taxpayer payment coming from the Raiders to draw and you know what the comparison is I'm trying to make so just it just Yeah, but when it comes to the Texans there's so many battle winners in sports Good God are their battle like like I get on John Henry all the time because I think John Henry's a battle and are but when you break it down, and you actually look at it, and again, like and Dave told me all the time, he's really not A bad owner. No, he's not a bad owner. I just I think he's a bad owner because he tries to puff smoke up our ass and tell us that he's gonna do X, Y and Z and then doesn't is an owner of Liverpool. Liverpool, Liverpool. Sorry, but like, man, Stan Kroenke What a piece of shit that guy is. And mountainair down in Houston like, in Dan, Daniel Snyder in Washington, like, boy,

Unknown: 45:49

he's got to go. He, he's got to be next. He's next. I'm sorry. I don't

Joe Malkin: 45:55

know. Because his wife's in charge. He handed the company over to his wife. So So now she's the one making not making all the decisions. So it's, it's all it's all this crap about saving face, right? I mean, that's all it is. And it's interesting because we've gone down the rabbit hole, but it actually works, because I'm gonna bring up the lions now. And the Ford family that owns the lions. And so many times, whether it's in a Facebook group or on a on a tweet or something this lions team has not been good. They've been they're bad football team. But if you weren't a Lions fan on Sunday, unless you were wearing purple and gold and you're a Vikings fan. If you weren't a Lions fan, when Jared Goff, threw that touchdown. You don't you're not. You're not a red blooded human being like you're just you're just like, that was That was so fun to watch them to watch them win. And to see Dan Campbell, Dan Campbell is one emotional dude. He is an emotional teddy bear. And I love that in the NFL, because he's a meathead. He is a meathead and he is emotional. He wears his heart on a sleeve. He may not be the best coach in the world, but boy, did his guys want to run through a wall for him. And yeah, and but so the point was, is going back to owners. I've seen people say, well, they got to, they got to, you know, we did it. We got rid of the lions franchise, right? When we when we did the banning game last year. We got rid right? Yep. Well, people have been saying, I'm gonna do this to sell them. It's like no, listen. who's one of the biggest advertisers in the NFL. Ford Ford, who owns the Detroit Lions, the Ford family. They're not getting rid of it. They know they're not going anywhere. They're staying in Detroit, Detroit, a good sports town. They're staying in Detroit. They're not going anywhere. Sure. They haven't won anything since 1960. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's a good sports town and they still sell that plays out and they still sell tickets. But this isn't the NFL is that these owners to kind of change the tune a little bit here. These owners get this preferential treatment. Right? Mercy gets a slap on the wrist. The McNair thing gets swept under the rug. You know the Daniel site rug. Oh, crap. So Robert Kraft stuff. Yeah, I was gonna get there but yeah, Robert Kraft stuff gets swept under the rug and he's like, you know, good Dells right hand man and, you know, again, like the Kraft family, slightly removed from the Kraft company, but it is still a similar family. So Daniel Snyder, same thing. So they they turn the team over to his wife and they fire Jon Gruden because he had he had something to do with with that whole that whole thing. So it's like it's just about finding the fall guy right who Oh, who's the NFL player that said that was it Aaron Hernandez said that movie it was Chris Carter Chris Carter always make sure I have a fall guy and the No I mean he's not

Rayshawn Buchanan: 48:47

he's not he wasn't wrong and people got he got back last time but I might know like when you're at that level you have to because it's like yo if I'm the one bringing in the money I need to make I need to be the one that's always around but as far as they just want to go like I said I don't care what we I don't care we transferred it over to his grandchildren. He needs to go that's investment next guy said Carter could be next to I don't know all this stuff he's done but

Joe Malkin: 49:11

well he's the one he's the one that basically I don't want to say unlawfully but he's he's the the owner that move the Rams out of St. Louis and basically screwed

Unknown: 49:18

this up. Right. Oh, got the Africa we've got you. Okay, and and then

Joe Malkin: 49:22

the Manchester Manchester United. That's the soccer team he owns. They hate him to leave, they hate them. They want to know actually, they hate a lot of the American owners because the American owners and in English soccer are like the crankies and the Henry's of the world. So it's literally just a money grab for them instead of like playing for the fans and owned by companies that because they sell out to Americans and to the oil tycoons of Saudi Arabia. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 49:48

Damn that. So that does That's crazy to me. So So okay, that that makes me mad when I when I think about the even with the John Henry's it's like, the fact is you're bringing in that much money, bro. That much fucking money. And you're saying hey, we won't go and spend that great. I'm talking about baseball. I didn't want this guy by just saying that. You couldn't assign syndergaard one year or two years.

Joe Malkin: 50:11

I want a salary cap and baseball this this is a completely different thing. I want

Rayshawn Buchanan: 50:15

to talk about this just like we'll be back together but it's just like, what what? And I actually I disagree with that too, but we can get

Unknown: 50:26

Why'd you have all the split? Like what? Why do you? How are you complaining about paying players when the money is coming back? 1020 fold it into one

Joe Malkin: 50:34

rate. It's the same. It's the same reason that that owners of companies don't want to pay employees more. Oh, well, then we're gonna have to raise the cost of goods. No, you're gonna have to cut your paycheck from 20 billion to 15 billion. Nobody needs that much. In MMA. Oh. I know what, nobody needs that much money. You give people a living wage, not to give people a million bucks. But you sitting up there in your ivory tower, you know that all of a sudden the billionaires got nothing to do. So they gotta have a space race. Well, listen here, Mr. Richard Branson, and Elon Musk. Like get over yourself. I mean, this is this is crap. But the point is, is you're right. A kid just went to work pays that right? Yeah. I'm buying the Fenway group and I'm disbanding it. Yeah. Are you kidding me? So I love it. But it's not to get economical there. But back to football. So yeah, now that we've solved all the world's problems, the Buccaneers won again this week, they beat the Falcons. The Eagles beat the Jets. Gardner Minshew is a good NFL quarterback. I don't care what anybody says he's a good NFL quarterback. And he's got the personality to boot. And his mustache is sexy.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 51:54

I love I love what I love the interaction. We're having this fall that I thought

Joe Malkin: 51:57

was awesome. And it was just so it's so cool to see a guy like that, that like, you know, somebody was was talking about backup quarterbacks. And it was like, you know, this dude. I think they were talking about like Chase Daniel and how he's made $38 million in his career and like, he makes $30 million to be a backup quarterback. And it's like, and somebody else came on and they were like a backup in the NFL. I can't remember who it was. Oh, it was a Carson Palmer. Carson Palmer's brother. Oh, Jordan Palmer, Jordan Palmer. It was on his Tiktok. And he came out and I was like, you know, I was a backup quarterback in the NFL for a while. And it's it's not necessarily about standing there on the sideline with a clipboard. But it's about everything else you do during the week to get to Sunday as a backup quarterback, you know, and it's like, I look at a guy like like Brian Hoyer. I mean, Brian Hoyer was Tom Brady's right hand man for years. Like Brian Hoyer is a Tabak de facto quarterbacks coach. I've said this before. He's the de facto quarterbacks coach for the New England Patriots because right now, the Patriots don't have a quarterbacks coach there. Josh McDaniels is listed as the quarterbacks coach on the coast coaching roster. So, you know, those backup quarterbacks are valuable now is now $38 million is heavy for, again, back to the economics of it. Does anybody really need $38 million? Probably not. But yes,

Unknown: 53:18

I do. Yeah, right. Yes.

Joe Malkin: 53:21

I do. I do. Joe Yeah. Daniel doesn't. That's what I do. I didn't Yeah, yeah, right. Let me know what you just brought me back down to hurt. Let me get off my soapbox here. But uh, but point being is, it was good to see Gardner Minshew come in for the Eagles and lead them to a win and it doesn't matter that it was over the Jets. Yeah, I'm sure he's happy to be he was winning games in Jacksonville, the bad football team. And the Eagles are not a great football team, but they got better weapons, right? Cardinals beat Dave's bears to go to 10 into charters beat the Bengals chargers. You know chargers are such a weird team but the Rams blog the Jaguars, Washington beats the Raiders, the Steelers somehow beat the Ravens. There's another story 38 year old Ben Roethlisberger looks like he's done. And I think I think we're all just saying thank God we knew it three years ago.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 54:12

Exactly. Yeah, by me, but it also goes back to it's like death taxes. And the Steelers beat the Ravens like Mike Tomlin just always finds a way to get this team to beat to be both and I feel John Hobart So understand, right, like, he knows that that team was on his last leg because of injuries and a great I know the record doesn't say so. But you just lose hope for the year. You know, you've already lost you know, JK Dobbins, you've lost so many extra parts on that roster. So

Joe Malkin: 54:43

you're thinking 494 Don't aim for the last three loss. So you're right there kind of like limping. But but they're not a bad football. Know that it's 2019 pats. Oh, sure. Okay. Yeah, yeah, there's

Rayshawn Buchanan: 54:58

one sec pages, like, you know, started off hot. It was like, Man, there we go. Let's, let's go. We're coming right back and then, you know, you know, some times we go down here, you lose a game of the show, and they just kinda just kind of spowers Right. So there were a few more obviously, like, you know, the mark is gonna be good enough to get them another one or two, but I got a I got a good football team.

Joe Malkin: 55:19

I mean, before marquees Brown, you know?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 55:23

Right. Yeah, but he's had some subpar you know, moments. So it's just gonna be hard. But yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm glad that Ben is out of there for a multitude of reasons. But yeah, you know, he should have been done really after they beat we beat them in 2017 it was the championship game, but, you know, it's not like they really had a backup quarterbacks really come in there, you know, they just don't tell you bad stuff. No, no, don't really come in and really actually, you know, play play. Well, you know, there's no answer. I'll read it aloud. There's no highest award that can get us a wide receiver trick plays. So, you know, there's a lot of things that got to be revamped with this board. But, you know, it's Matan. So, um, you know, they're as high as how to wave this tidal wave and terrible town for the last time and, you know, kind of run off into the sunset.

Joe Malkin: 56:09

It's been a Hall of Famer. Yes. Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 56:13

Not not for not not not first ballot, in my opinion, but he definitely is a Hall of Famer, you know, not so many not many quarterbacks have to, and he was considered one of the best at this position for a number of years. So never was someone who was gonna put up the 40 or 50 touchdowns because they focus on the run game. That's just how it was. Especially early in his career. So whether it was still drove best and in turn it said or not. So was he just going back? Willie? Willie Parker? Yeah. Ah, well, yeah, we are. Yeah, yeah. You know, Larry Bell. So you know, so that you know, that's that's the Steelers know that that's just that's just a way of life that they run the football and that's their identity. So, but yeah, he's definitely a Hall of Famer for sure. You know, he's, you know, I don't know. I guess you could say that the best of the four class for quarterbacks are some some may say, Eli, I disagree with that. I think Ben was better than Eli and Phillip rivers. Now I think a filmer was one one that he was surpassed both of them I think for the reverse put up the numbers those guys never did. But because he never won he doesn't get the love that the other two did because they both won twice but Philip Rivers had a hell of a career.

Joe Malkin: 57:19

Phillip Rivers was was almost the the Dan Marino of our era of Korea.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 57:26

Or did you just say he was other deaf outs another you know, another air choreo type offense and in this era, just putting up numbers putting them numbers and you know, you get there you get there you get there you get there? I think the thing was a couple of years ago Samsung games on the hand, or at least one I know they went to one on a lawsuit was in oh seven but yeah, you know, he knocked on the door numerous times. But you know, he got he got left at the altar. And plenty plenty of time. So but I said, Yeah, that that will for class was was a one to remember. But yeah, better bathrooms work. It definitely is a Hall of Famer, but it just had to be first valid.

Joe Malkin: 58:00

So in the NFC West, you have the Cardinals at 10 into the Rams at eight and four and then the 40 Niners lost to the Seahawks this week, or now for nine. Those two teams don't nobody wants the third play spot and that division by the chiefs, the chiefs come back and play a bad football game of the Broncos. That was a bad football game. I love bad football, but that was a bad football game. Right? And the chiefs were now on 22 to nine and then the Patriots rounded out 1410 over the bills. What I mean again just such an exciting season this year. It's just been it's been fun to watch and there's been there's been a lot of controversy like you said and who doesn't love a good scandal? They go so you wanna you got time to talk about the Celtics? Absolute Alright, let's talk about the Celtics from the outside looking in, I mean, you you watch these guys more than I do. I am I'm a casual Celtics fan I I listened to it on the radio when I'm driving home from work or you know, I'll put it on from time to time or I'll just pay attention to your commentary or Twitter or whatever it is. And I think my, my, your your your patriots style emotional takes, oh my god, oh my god from somebody that that kinda is on the outside looking in. Now granted, you are too but you're you're more involved with the team in your fandom. I I don't like this basketball team. And it's not from it's not from a general manager standpoint. It's not from a head coach standpoint. I think he may is doing a good job. I think he kind of came in there and I think Brad said to him like hey, man, this is a this is a very tough group of players to to work with. And he kind of laid down the law at first I mean, I don't know how much suspending Marcus smart for a preseason game I really did. But I look at this team and I look at this roster. And it makes me miss the bridges. It makes me miss the guys that were in here getting those you know 234 finishes in the East every year for a few years. And not quite getting there. But like doing just enough to keep everybody waiting to see what was gonna happen. But now they've turned they've quote unquote turned a corner It's supposed and they're supposed to be really good, right? Yeah, they should be the number one seed in the east. Well, not the number one but they should still be a top four seed and yeah, based on what everybody said they were gonna be I mean, of course you still have the Milwaukee's the heap are still playing well.

Unknown: 1:00:42

And obviously Brooklyn, Brooklyn,

Joe Malkin: 1:00:45

Brooklyn and Philly has their moments. But, but, but this team is just not this isn't a good basketball team right now.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:00:53

Yeah, I mean, we have right now I'm adapt. That's certainly good. They're standing at 25 games in net 13 to 12. That record is a little misleading. And the reason why I say that so you know, you spoke to the job that he made you Dockers doing now that I have to have to you know, before I get into what I think about them currently, I have to go back to a few weeks. I think it was November 1 They lost a game to Chicago today was up 25 I think they lost by by 20 which was and that like that broke we as a family I was like fuck them. I'm not watching my you remember that? I went ballistic on the chat. I went ballistic on Twitter. Like I whoever was hearing it. I was I was going on? Yeah, yeah, it was it was whoever will listen, I was going off. And it was just like yo, like weak. You can lose a game or games for that matter, because the NBA and everyone on that court gets played and paid. Everyone gets a everyone works on the game in the offseason and worst in practice, and you know, really good one on one really good team ball. So that's going to happen but the fight has to be there. But I will say ever since Margaret sport had that press coverage. We talked about what the ball were doing this, like they have played better. And their calling card is finally back really the first time I've seen it since the 2015 2016 or even 2016 2017 years of when they've had a guy named Mary Johnson playing the forehead which is ridiculous they even so started at that at that point. But once again, that's another that's a rabbit hole show they this team defense, they guard really, really well that didn't go well last night because you know, the latest guys were just all that happens. Like it's the Bronze Age. Get over the data. Yeah, they're gonna go off but they're, they defend, they lock you down. They told a lot of teams under 100, which is really hard to do in today's NBA, it's even harder. It's even hard to teach. It's even hard to hold teams to even 105 points, let alone scoring 9095 So they've done that religiously. So defensively that there is offensively that you know they've had their struggles down the last three or four games offensively they've had it last night just because they didn't have the right leg is you know, they showed up defensively they just just missing shots outside of out of Tatum. But, you know, the reason why, you know, I've never I've talked about this with you and I appreciate meeting. You know, I the culture changes that I see that but my thing is my take that I want to make on the bronze notate that you have on, on JT, I'm almost out on Jaylen Brown and it's not because of the talent that just say he's out of town that that's that's duck like I doubt that would make me less than a casual that would make me someone that just doesn't know basketball. Jaylen Brown has a talent as a phenomenon as a phenomenal player. Jaylen Brown as a man is from the gosh that's not that's not up for debate however I growing every day in more frustration with him not being on the floor we see winter England how bill is talked about it your best ability is availability. If you cannot be on the floor, you cannot help your team and I get it and try to be cautious because of things that's happened in the past where other players I get that we need to hit my psychischer Lakers there's some other games that we've had so far that we need to jump right out there he changes the game for us but if he's not going to be out there they he doesn't need to be on the scene. So I'm at a point now you know even more so everyone that I talked about you know maybe both of them you know get get dealt but just an availability standpoint. It might be better off to move off of him I don't know the whole Portland thing works I know that's something that's been popping up lately from Sam Shania

Joe Malkin: 1:04:30

be a good spot for him. What train to Portland spot for him?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:04:36

Oh, my head. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean to play with Dave. I mean, it's just my thing is who if they're saying to bring by CJ, I'm sorry. I listen, I made it killed for those that listen to this into our CJ McCollum fans. Yes, yes, i CJ McCollum to play that that's not the but we don't need another guard that can score 20 A night that's not what we need here. Now if you say to me, you know you bring in arcades or you know, you talk about bringing in Norman Powell was a who's a wing that we've been doing Pikachu for three. Okay, cool. Or even Robert Covington cool. I'm with that but and I get it those names and nodular brown so I get it. I'm just not going to get fair value for a guy. That's an all star got to get 24 And I get that but those guys stay on on floor and at this moment. You know, you just need to keep building around it My opinion but guys that are gonna be on the floor because Say what you will about Jason Tatum. He doesn't miss games with why he missed games last year because COVID took him out of there. He's available. Yeah, the attitudes got to get better. But all when he's on and locked in, he's as good as anyone in this ad agency that maximize what they have here, not just with him, but all the other young guys that are here as well. So but I know you got to take on this and say them so you know, let us have it.

Joe Malkin: 1:05:49

Do you remember when I was 100%? Correct. On Danny Ainge, his handling of the Gordon Hayward situation Yep. You remember that when when Bobby and I like got into it like if we were in the same room probably would have like shoved each other and maybe thrown punches and then I lose completely right. And I'm not bragging this is just leading into my point of i i oddly tend to be right on the Celtics takes and I don't know why I shouldn't be like, I've been wrong on the Red Sox. I've been wrong on the Patriots not but I've been wrong on the Bruins. But the the Celtics have been pretty good and and the biggest thing with the Boston Celtics is remember when when Kyrie was here? Nope. We're all a men generational talent, like so good. But he's he's a cancer in the locker room. Yep. And then Jason, Gordon Hayward came in here. And it was man, he got hurt. Like he can't do anything about it. But there's still a problem in the locker room. And they got rid of him. And not because of the problem in the locker room. They got rid of him for a lot of reasons that I'm sure that, you know. And then Kemba came in, and there was still a problem in the locker room. I think Kemba played into a little bit of the problem in the locker room. Granted, he was still hurt needs banged up. But well, now we're back to the three guys that were here during that entire time. During the Kyrie the Hayward and the Kemba Walker eras of the Boston Celtics, those three guys stuck it out and are still here. by process of elimination, they still have to figure out what's wrong in that locker room. Because when there's when there's players only meetings allegedly, Ema will tell you that there wasn't But Brad will tell you that there was so now there's a communication issue. Yeah, there was a players only meeting where nothing positive came out of it. That was reported. And there were apparently a shoving match or something that went on during that meeting. One of those three guys is a problem. Marcus smart Jays. Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum, one of the three of them as a prop up So which one's got to go? Because right now, I would tell you if you looked at it, I test and said, you can only keep one. Who are you keeping?

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While I'm keeping Ted? I agree with me.

Joe Malkin: 1:08:14

Yeah, I agree with you on that. Because he's the easy available. One who's the one the floor? He's the one that's playing? He's also arguably the most selfish player of those three guys on the court. Yeah, I didn't not in gym, just on the court. He asked to be at times, but Well, yeah, sure. But the thing is, is it might be time to trade balls, the trade away smart, and brown. And I think we're coming up to that point. And I think you will see one of them gone before the deadline by the deadline. One of them will be out of Boston, which will probably help the team. And I think we're seeing the Celtics go back into not a rebuild, but a bridgy style. Move forward because they can use the guise of new GM, new head coach, new culture, got to figure out what's going on in the locker room because there's clearly a problem. So my point my point coming from what I said to start is, they have to they have to make a move and they're going to make a move. It's just a matter of when, who and where. Yep, I'm ready. I think they keep I think they keep Jason Tatum now going into this when we talked about this at the beginning of the show. And I was originally like, Hey, I had said to Ray I I'm done with Tatum. I was I was done with Tatum coming into this conversation. Craighead tweeted last night. You know, every time Tatum goes to LA, you can tell he wants to be a Laker Well, good. Send them there. I'm tired. These guys in the NFL, NFL, NBA NFL

Unknown: 1:09:52

is dead. There. It is.

Joe Malkin: 1:09:55

It's getting there in pretty much every sport. I mean, look at Jake debrusk basically call him a shot and in Boston trying to get out of the black and golden he's from he's from Edmonton. So he wants to go back to Western Canada. Great. Why don't go back to Western Canada. But what point is, is that in the NBA, we see this a lot where guys play a new set out every time he goes into that built the crypto comm center. Not the stable center anymore. Everyday. Yeah, right. It'll always be the stable solid stable Like when might when when Gillette Stadium was built, it was originally called CMG AI field, and my grandfather who passed away in 2009, but for the first seven years of that stadium, he called it CMG AI field, he refused to call it Gillette, it was the funniest thing, but besides crypto.com center, but every time Jalen chooses every time Jason Tatum goes into that building, he plays one and Craig Wright. He may want to be a Celtic, I mean, a Laker. And if he wants to be a Laker great, send him there. Give me a first round pick in a bag of balls, if he wants to, if he doesn't want to be here. If he doesn't want to be here, don't keep him here. That's that's the way I've seen a lot of things in sports, especially the NBA, right? Where these guys ultimately control what goes on in this league. And we saw we've seen it with Lebron on multiple occasions. We've seen it with Kyrie on attempted multiple occasions tried to do it here in in Brooklyn, but it's at the point Ray, where something's got to give. And I don't think Tatum is going to be the one that leaves what if he doesn't want to be here? Don't keep them. And if that means, at the end of the day, getting rid of smart Tatum and brown starting over from square one, then let's do it.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:11:36

Yeah, I mean that I mean, I think that's that might be in case of emergency break glass situation where all three of them being gone. And that's something that could happen on a date anything is possible in that regard. But all right, yeah, I think yeah, right. Yeah. I do think and we even know Marcus was also has played better since he called obviously and he's also played better he's jacking up sauce the way he used to, but I do think like even getting Horford back has been a huge Yeah, and

Joe Malkin: 1:12:03

and it's been great. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:12:05

yeah, there are two words that they've been awesome you know, and it was the way for you to come on the show. You know, he's you know, he said we'll get back to us but you know, anyway let me anyhow but I will say and we get we get after this the Indiana Pacers have looked at some blow blow it up so they put you know, Turner on their on a block sub bonus on a block

Joe Malkin: 1:12:28

number one we should have had Myles Turner Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:12:31

I mean I'm fine with that without overly he came back so I'm cool with that but on at the moment Yeah, absolutely. We should have had both of them but because to me and once again I know this when we saw the Feds listen to this Indiana said give us marker smart for Malcolm Brogdon I wouldn't be on the line I immediately break immediately

Joe Malkin: 1:12:54

I'd write it like now I'd ride on the plane with smart Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:12:58

right now right now Hey like let's say what a sign like lesson because what Malcolm Brogdon defends just as well as Marcus smart he's choose better than Marcus Hammond had been a be a really good friend say Magellan brought a really cool so I to me, I just think that that would be that would be great. I also I love some bonus as well. So if we had to give up Horford smart and either pressure Andy Smith or lake for where those three guys or

Joe Malkin: 1:13:23

Richard Bob what would Bobby do hey, let's say

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:13:27

was this Malcolm Brogdon and in turn it would be an upgrade once again I like pitcher pitcher was that that game but guess what when the other night he was he was great but he's forever for whatever reason he said he made his doghouse and I don't know what's happened by the way he just has a plate and I don't know if he may saw how rate probably dealt with Tony Parker and maybe yes I was working with few that's the maybe that's where he's doing more pressure and I'm I don't know but I'm like personally Christian can can plate we saw him the other night my Oh, he's someone that could score in bunches. So you need that as an offense. So the fact that you had a 21 point guys whenever you want off the bench and you just you just sending him that that's a coaching thing, right that he needs to get better with those rotations but yeah, they were offering Brogden Are you just a bonus at Turner or even the Vert who Laverne off the bench for us would be great shirt denim shirt has been great but Kara suffered as six seven coming off the bench so we'll get easily get 20 A night and get a spot start if Jalen Brown and Tatum out that's the type of somebody to look into but I just don't know what Brad wants to do but it's up something's got to give like you said and I'll we'll see but whether it's whether it's December 15 which is next Monday that's when you can start trying to play it as you decide or trade it for well maybe the trade deadline in February but whether it's a minus week or a major tweak we got to see some change here and southern nation

Joe Malkin: 1:14:50

I think the Celtics are gonna play for a playoff spot I don't think they care which one it is and I think we're gonna see core players leave I think we're gonna see core players stay I think we're gonna see a lot I think the Celtics team is going to move around you have a new GM a new head coach they brought it in there they're now evaluating and seeing what works for me and what works for Brad in their in their current positions and know they'll act accordingly. I only have let's my I've been calling for Marcus smart to be traded for a while so but then One of the other two guys, I think you're right. Jason Tatum is the guy to keep around. But seriously, like if if he goes out to LA and wants to ball out out there, but can't walk into the garden, want to in and ball out here, you know he does he does, but it was a different energy last night and I turned Yeah, I just

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:15:41

I it's a Kobe thing. No, I think that Kobe was his favorite player. We all know that. And I just think that I think he said Cisco, he passed away. I think he's made a pact to himself saying, Every time I come into this building, I'm going to dominate well. Everyone faces the same thing. Why does that mean?

Joe Malkin: 1:16:01

Why does it have to be the building that Kobe built? Why does it Why does it have to be that building and not and I understand this because he's his favorite player? Right? Like, if I'm a professional athlete, and and you know, Peyton Manning was my favorite player like, Yeah, sure. Every time I go into Lucas Oil Stadium, I might play a with a little more hard, right and everywhere else. But man, why? Why aren't you just playing like that for Kobe? All the time. Kobe was the best of all time. And he was he was great to the young guys. And I'm sure and you know, I know he knew him just from coming up through the ranks and playing in the NBA and and he knew Kobe and that's great. I got no but I have no qualms with their relationship or how he wants to play but man what do you just just do that every night? Just to that show sick and tired of NBA players especially sitting out and picking and choosing the games that they play and and you know, like you know what, tomorrow I just I don't I don't want to go into work tomorrow. So I'm just gonna I'm just gonna hang out you know maybe I'll go Yeah, I'm just gonna sit there and you know like everybody else around me can work and I'm just gonna hang out because I just don't feel like doing it to the edge there just gets frustrated to me but but in a vacuum to the Jason tam thing man just play like that and also in all 30 venues just finally every single one of them man like go out and honor Kobe by playing that way every single light in every single Arena in the country. And and this this team will be better for this organization will be better for it. So absolutely. So if he wants to building and play like that, because Kobe was his his guy. Maybe that doesn't mean he wants to be a Laker train them send them first round picking a bag of balls

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:17:43

yeah, I'm listening Brett Brad Stevens would be his tires amongst other thing would be if he'd had to walk and go to LA you can't trade them there. You got you have to you have to leave your free agencies like you know what? No, I've enjoyed my time here in Boston, but it's tough for me to Yeah, that's that's how it has to happen. You are or

Joe Malkin: 1:18:04

you are you spinning asks for a trade.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:18:08

Well, right but I'm saying but you can't you can't trade him but you can't Okay put it like that. You can't willingly do it. It's one thing if he says to you, hey, you know, these are these are these are the futures I go to find wherever that happens. That's what the NBA players do. But you can't really say okay, well, we'll train them to LA but at the same time, the guy that does his predecessor so to speak, Paul Pierce is from Inglewood. He's from LA politicians to kill the Lakers and every building I mean in his career so crypto is just what it is right?

Joe Malkin: 1:18:38

Ah crypto.com center yes

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Joe Malkin: 1:18:46

you saw this right I may be off base on you know, I'm like it may just be because

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:18:51

you're not you're not you're not off base like there's moments where he takes a rose on the court, but there's some nice contest takes a night off in my opinion, his defense got better. His his playmakers got better which has been thing that's that's kind of been a weakness in his first few years. So now it's like okay, we need nice where it just all comes together last night it came together they're in the same building tonight because they're playing the Clippers recording on a Wednesday so he might miss on have 40 Tonight after this drop. So you might have for tonight see?

Joe Malkin: 1:19:21

Like, if Kobe is his guy, is he gonna play different in that building? Because he's playing the clippers? And then he's playing the Lakers? You know what I

Unknown: 1:19:27

mean? Like he did last year?

Joe Malkin: 1:19:30

He's hot. He just followed what I know that's true. Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:19:34

He had a game two years ago I was like he hit what should have been the game winner I'll call George and then you know things happen but yeah, they Paul George is good to see is can can garden and nature to some of the gods that could that could kind of guard him but there's no one on that team that could guard well just just ball let me just be real. There's no one really that can guard him when he's when he's hot. Period. He's 66 nine he displays shot doesn't get blocked the only thing with him and my only concern with him just keep driving to the basket. I don't care if you're in Saskatchewan. I don't care if you're in Turkey. I don't care if you're in a I don't care if you're in a period filled gem which is where I you know, that just don't I don't care where you are. Just keep driving to the basket. And if he gets to the free throw line, someone's gonna chess and won a lot of games.

Joe Malkin: 1:20:22

So you can't do that. Find Me and Ray either you can only hope to get containers. Thanks for joining us on this episode of missing the point. That is all we have to say about the NFL owners the New England Patriots in the Boston Celtics. So for Rayshawn Buchanan, I'm Joe Malkin. That's my cat. This has been missing the point. Have a wonderful, wonderful weekend and a bye week for the Patriots and the MTP. We'll talk at you next week.