Blind Side Lie?/ Zeke to the Patriots/ Week 1 of NFL Preseason Reaction
Examine the Biggest Storylines as The NFL Regular Season Draws Closer
Do you ever feel like the 'feel-good' stories you see on screen might not be as perfect as they seem? We tackle this as we dissect the controversy surrounding Michael Oher, the subject of the film The Blind Side, who recently claimed he was forced into signing documents for a conservatorship when he was young. Along with the power dynamics at play, we also reflect on the portrayal of Oher in the movie and how it contrasts with this new revelation.
Changing lanes, we shift our focus to the field, assessing the preseason performance of the Chicago Bears. We spotlight their successful free agency signings and draft picks, with special emphasis on the 'blue chip' signing of Tremaine Edwards. Comparisons are made with the Patriots' defense-driven team culture as we highlight the Bears' strategy to build a formidable defense. We also discuss the impressive performance of Justin Fields, Roshan Johnson, and Chase Claypool, emphasizing the importance of a mobile backfield and a robust offensive line.
What's the future for the Chicago Bears, you wonder? We foresee an exciting one, possibly with the addition of Jonathan Taylor to their backfield. We get into the nitty-gritty of leadership qualities and how they reflect in the Bears' front office decisions. The episode wraps up with a debate on Ezekiel Elliot's move to the Patriots and the potential of Patrick Mahomes outdoing Tom Brady's career. Join us for a riveting discussion on the world of NFL that promises to be as informative as it is entertaining!
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Controversy Surrounding Michael Oher's Adoption Story
12:26 Assessing the Bears' Preseason Performance
23:24 Bears' Offensive Strategy and Justin Fields' Relationship
28:10 Could the Bear's Trade for Johnathan Taylor?
45:30 Concerns About the Patriots' Offensive Line
50:50 Zeke Elliott Signs With Patriots Discussion
1:12:49 Comparing Mahomes and Brady's Careers
1:19:12 Brady's Career and Super Bowl Hopes
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Michael Marcangelo:
Welcome into the mystery of the point on Michael Mark Angelo, joined alongside by DK Cissel, dave Clark, really K Bob Kelly, and we have nothing else to talk about. I mean, sports has come to a standstill. So we're talking about week one, preseason recap Fucking August. But first, first, dk, just right before we started going, brought up a story that he really wanted to talk about and I feel like this is the best, best time to lead off with DK Michael Orr at the blind side. We all know that. We all saw the movie Huge controversy. Huge controversy came out this week that it basically felt like he told his story about how he was, at a very early age, told to sign something when release him of any of the world's you got Britney Spears, so of all of I don't know if there's a cons, if there's a conservice ship there isn't it? I mean, it feels like you might have more intelligence than I do.
Dave Clarke:
Well, here's what I think. I think that we don't know all the details of the situation, so it would be irresponsible to talk about it, which means we should definitely talk about for sure, because that makes it more fun. I personally feel victimizing, betrayed by Sandra Bullock. I I've always been team Sandy. Miscongeniality, miscongeniality to even congenial, even more congenial. What is the title of miscongeniality, to know? Obviously, it's not Sandra Bullock's fault. She's going through a lot right now. Do I believe that rich Southern white people are rotten to their core Could do something like this? Yes, do I believe that he does. He, I mean, I guess the essentially to lay out what happened. He gets to the NFL. They make this movie about him, about how they adopted him, because he was like living on the streets, like the best example of a white savior movie ever made right. Then people kind of forget it. He has, like I would call it like, a pretty decent career majority Ravens right. Like I remember it being ironic that he's playing right tackle for the majority of his career and the movie named after him is called Blindside, but like maybe the quarterback was left handed a lot of the time, who knows, I mean Lamar Jackson is left handed, isn't he? But the? The sort of overall point now is that he kind of came out. He was like they never adopted me. The whole story was a lie. They made me sign these papers that put me in a conservatorship. Now you saying there isn't a conservatorship. That makes sense, because I'm pretty sure a conservatorship puts an automatic like gag order on shit like this. Like I don't think that he could come out and say this stuff and be legally safe if the conservatorship like existed.
Michael Marcangelo:
Well again, just because we don't know the details. I think we should talk firmly about the details. It says.
Dave Clarke:
I'm willing to speculate. It, says he.
Michael Marcangelo:
This is the story on. If he says he was, he agreed to the conservatorship having been led to believe that it was a form of adoption because of his age at the time.
Dave Clarke:
Yeah, I believe it, I mean it just I believe it. I mean I don't know, but it just. It makes me think like it's just like these this lady, this like it. Just it smacks of true to me. Is that? Is that at least a fair thing to say? Or is that completely like? Is that out of line? Like I believe, like Bobby, I believe that this bitch could do this shit right, like it's, like it's, like it's it would be such an elaborate thing to make up on his part. Right, like it would be. And again, like that's not proof, that's purely anecdotal. But like I think he, yeah, I think she, I could see that family being like that For sure.
Bob Kelly:
I think I I kind of feel like it kind of falls in the middle because if you look at what's happening to like both sides are alleging such polar opposites of the shit that happened, you know or generally what happened in these situations. Well, and now now the family saying that he actually is the one that embezzled like 15 million and actually is the one that took out all this money.
Michael Marcangelo:
Well, well, hold on. They're saying that that he told them that he was going to plant a negative story about the situation unless they paid him 15 million dollars.
Dave Clarke:
And again, this is not proof of anything, but I that's exactly what I would say, I also. I also think.
Bob Kelly:
I mean, you don't think that that's kind of a little bit? So I, like I said, I think it falls in the middle because you know, like so when this movie come out. 10 years ago when he doesn't more than 10 years, so someone has been in this guy's ear because already know that he hates this movie. He hates the way it depicted him.
Dave Clarke:
He hates that, is that true?
Bob Kelly:
I didn't know that, I did not know that he hates this move because it makes him look like he's. You know this dumb idiot that didn't know what.
Dave Clarke:
That you know, dude he really is dumb in that movie.
Bob Kelly:
He really stupid.
Dave Clarke:
It's, it's like pretty insulting. Actually, I don't think that they would make this movie 100% they wouldn't. I think there's some parts of it where it's like whoa the movie was the movie was already problematic, but before it turned out that she was a fucking schemer.
Bob Kelly:
The most heartfelt scene of the entire thing is her breaking it down to him not related to football and being like you're too stupid to understand this football game, so why don't you go ahead and block that guy because he's your family?
Dave Clarke:
That's what right and you know completely like she. She not only like takes him in, but also like takes credit for his football IQ.
Bob Kelly:
She's like I got him there. But so I just feel like, 13 years later, it's hard for me to really sympathize here, because, bro, it's been 13 years since this movie came out. What that tells me and that someone is in your ear being like hey, this is messed up that they did to you. Do you see this? Look at this over here. Oh, but what about this over here, man?
Dave Clarke:
Do you think what you think? Why Do you think? Why didn't he say it sooner? Is a is a fair argument when I mean I can see it. I can see it if he's like we're out of money, If it coincides with that.
Michael Marcangelo:
It's interesting that he waited until he amassed a network of about 20 to $25 million dollars before he put he put this out public. So, a the T-R-I-D-K. Wait, he's out of money. Or B he just wants to make sure that a never happens and maybe he was actually wrong. Maybe this is this, or C yeah, he was slighted. I'm inclined to believe that this is true. I can't really make up a defense that it isn't. It will be interesting if this does go to court, though, because if he signs into this based on the premise that he would be adopted, it never was actually adopted?
Dave Clarke:
No, it wouldn't. There's no actual court case, it is just a reputation burn right, because it's like, yeah, if you sign on the dotted line and you agreed to it, I guess I don't know, I'm not a fucking lawyer Like maybe maybe there's a world where it's like he was coerced because he was like underage. I mean, like a lawyer probably wouldn't take the case If they didn't think of winning it, I would guess.
Bob Kelly:
But yeah, I just love that, like the NFL, is, so If he's adopted, they have a legal right to that money right. I think that that's where it comes all to, but that's not what they're saying.
Dave Clarke:
They're saying he was in like, because the conservatorship, as I understand it, is like protection and this could be completely wrong.
Bob Kelly:
Explain to the general public what a conservatorship is, because I totally know what it is. I will guess, to the general public but just the general public, you know in case they need to know. Yeah.
Dave Clarke:
I know I'm good.
Bob Kelly:
I know what it is, yeah totally, but for anyone listening.
Dave Clarke:
Well, bobby, since you asked, my understanding is like when an adult goes into a conservatorship, it's because they can't take care of themselves, so you have essentially the right to do with them what you will in order, under the guise or the fact of keeping them safe. So Britney Spears was in a conservatorship. It was hard to not hear about it. Now there's different sides to this story too, because I wanted her to get out of the conservatorship because it seems like they were stealing her money. But since she got out, it's like that bitch seems pretty crazy. We should put her back in. It's like I don't know, but, but in saying that I don't think anybody should be held against their will. If she didn't want to be in there, and she could, like you know, articulate that and like don't be in one, and that would be my same guess with him, like I don't know how easy or hard they already get into or out of. But like you said, mike, if he signed it, it's one thing, but then there's also like was he tricked into signing it with?
Michael Marcangelo:
like comments of like yeah, was he under, was it decided under under false presences? Were there insinuating circumstances that led him to that? Like I'm not a lawyer I just watched a lot of suits I think at any one.
Dave Clarke:
Is that good? Is that show good?
Bob Kelly:
I've heard so much about that show. Watch it. It's so good.
Michael Marcangelo:
No, yeah, it's that good.
Dave Clarke:
It's not like breaking back. Good, obviously.
Bob Kelly:
No, no, or better call solid. It's not that level.
Michael Marcangelo:
But it's different, but it's equal, because we just started justified.
Bob Kelly:
They're not equal. Oh well, that show too. I'm really enjoying justified.
Dave Clarke:
I'm fine with justified being like a middle brow, like not like the most amazing show that's ever like been produced, but I'm like it's just watchable Because, like Tim at the Ola fans like, don't make me pull up, put you down.
Bob Kelly:
I'm like you are fucking get him.
Dave Clarke:
I love that guy, Like he was also in Deadwood, which is like very high brow, very good show, you know so he can do it all.
Bob Kelly:
He's got range anyway, insanity created diet, which is also a good.
Dave Clarke:
I haven't watched that one. Is it good that you could?
Bob Kelly:
watch it.
Dave Clarke:
Those are little Netflix recommendations for everyone out there Fuck Netflix. I stand with the working man.
Bob Kelly:
Streaming.
Dave Clarke:
Yeah, fuck all the streaming services, all of it, it doesn't matter what you say.
Michael Marcangelo:
to that, Bobby DK Can't agree with you.
Dave Clarke:
I physically cannot agree with you right now.
Michael Marcangelo:
I'm bound under, so it is 12 minutes on on something that we know nothing about. Been enough time to talk about this, or, if you want to go, to.
Dave Clarke:
I would like to to request that we revisit it. It's more information. Because there's nothing better than the show becoming the view for 10 minutes. My last.
Bob Kelly:
My last thing is if, if, if, they I don't know if you can, I feel like you can't force a minor into it If you're the one who actually is supporting him, so that's minor or a minor minor is like a minor like, like a, like a Chilean minor, or a minor like someone who's underage.
Dave Clarke:
You can force a minor to do a lot of stuff. Who's?
Bob Kelly:
forced to build the money they need to go get the coal. Yeah, that's enough.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, it feels like I should have a false way to go. Okay, so week one, week one of the preseason is in the books. We're going to talk about our respective teams. We get the Bears who looked great, the Cowboys who didn't, and then we have the Patriots, who looked way worse. So this is the best way to start. I want to start. Can we do?
Dave Clarke:
one disclaimer just at the start, so we don't have to continue to do it for the entire show. We accept that it's preseason Like we accept like just right off the bat, for all intents and purposes, like no qualifiers needed. We accept that it's preseason and it's mainly about getting shape and etc. Etc. Etc. But we are going to talk about the give, the takeaways. I would assume because, like there are some takeaways, I vote. You know, disclaimer, disclaimer that we get it. So don't sit there. If you're listening to this the entire time, you look what if, overreacting the preseason, it's like that's all I get to react to right now.
Michael Marcangelo:
So just let me do it, let me live. If you, if you all of you out there made it through the blindside commentary like it's going to be a cake bar, that was the best part, I loved that.
Dave Clarke:
Do you want to keep talking?
Michael Marcangelo:
about it so far.
Dave Clarke:
Well, so far it was.
Michael Marcangelo:
Can we start with the watch?
Dave Clarke:
along with the blindside 2019?
Michael Marcangelo:
Can we start with the Bears, because I feel like that was what are the most surprising and impressive starts that you can see. I mean Justin Fields, I can. We've been talking about how the big play element had been what was missing, like what his first couple of years? The guy goes three for three for like a buck thirty. They were all deep ball but now we've seen None of them were actually. No, you see what DJ Moore in that offense is going to do. So DK, going into that game, what did you want to see and how did that game help you feel about the scene?
Dave Clarke:
so far. Honestly, I wanted to see exactly what I saw, which was I wanted to see our rookie. I mean, this is again. You know. I know I did the disclaimer, but because it's preseason, you're not exactly looking for Justin Fields to light it up or fail, or you know?
Bob Kelly:
whatever.
Dave Clarke:
You're looking for him to get a few snaps and like see, you know what his foot works like, what his movement is like, what his protections like. And I think that, like the big thing for me was I just I had kind of earmarked the rookies, of which we have quite a few, the defense, the defense, the notable losses, the notable like not players not playing, like we had a lot of guys not in there which obviously you're not going to take any risks in preseason, but Jaquan Briscoe, chase Claypool, tyrell Smith, tremaine Edwards, dylan Cole, lucas, patrick, nate Davis, like none of these guys are in there. So, and these are, these are guys that would fill a lot of holes on the starting squad. So, especially like I want to see Tremaine Edwards, obviously, because like that's our, that's our kind of our blue chip signing in the off season. So I think, a lot of positives. And the biggest thing for me was I already knew Justin Fields had a better depot than people give him credit for. I already knew that he can scramble when the play breaks down. What I didn't know was could we sustain drives? Could we have enough in our back pocket in the modern NFL to look like scoring on every drive, because that was kind of our kryptonite last season. We came really close to win a lot of games. We only won three. Or we came really close to win a lot of games and it was because we didn't have enough in the fourth quarter that they hadn't seen. That was like kind of my takeaway of it a lot of the time. I think huge positives. The offensive line they're blocking down the fields was awesome. They all look bigger, more athletic. The promises that polls and Everfluce have been making are coming true. As far as we want fast, high IQ athletic linemen, we want hard hitting, aggressive defenders Like these sort of propaganda remits. You get that. You're like I'll believe it when I see it right, because how many fucking bears rebuilt have I watched? Not one to this degree. I mean, we've always been so middling and we've talked about that. But you know, I wanted to see them start to deliver on their promises and they have very intelligently. They've used the market correctly, they've used the draft correctly. They got a lot for that first pick, which we obviously locked into a little bit. But you take what you get and quite honestly I don't mean to sound like I'm overreacting, but like roster on paper, it, the rebuilds, like almost done, the, the, the holes that I can see are are definitely still prevalent. It's not going to happen this season, but I do think we'll win a good amount of games and it's obviously going to come down to fields and it's it's this third year. So we're going to know, you know, we're going to know who Justin Fields is, pretty much as a quarterback, come come the middle to middle end of this season.
Michael Marcangelo:
So I question, as you said last week on the on the Power Ranking show that you felt like you guys were an edge rusher away from being maybe a powerhouse.
Dave Clarke:
Well, we, we, we signed Yannick and Gankwaston. So, that was a really big pickup, in my opinion, as far as like you know, additions to this, to this bears roster. We had eight sacks in this game. I, you know I'm not going to keep saying the preseason thing we had eight sacks in this game. We had like fucking 20 all of last season. So the fact that we needed to get pressure on the quarterback was obviously quite evident. There's, there's guys on the defensive line that you know had started to fade, that came back and showed something. There's, there's rookies in there that looked really, really good and I think pressure on the QB is huge. I mean, like what did we talk about? We had Bobby, and I had fully decided that you have to be able to pressure with your line in today's NFL. Like we basically like put that into the hall of records as like official, like it's in there.
Bob Kelly:
Like it's in there with part of it's part of the playoff manifesto.
Dave Clarke:
Yeah, it's if you can't, if you can't bring pressure, it's not 1998 anymore. If you can't, bring a pressure. Without him, without including your linebackers, you're going to get murdered. Because if your linebackers come yes, sometimes they can, but a lot of times if you don't get that pressure within the margins of like what? Three seconds, if you bring a linebacker, like most QBs are going to kill you over the middle. So it and especially in the regular season, like even Kirk Cousins, can kill you in that situation. So it's like in, like the wave, how it's collapsed now, etc. Etc. So the fact that the bears seem to know that is really encouraging. The fact that they are starting to get you know the hard hits we were. We seem to be taking the tackles really seriously. A big thing I always watch the Patriots do this is it's like hard not to bring up the fucking Patriots when I think you're talking about team defenses. Like it seems what they're trying to do is they're trying to build a defense around a mentality and a culture which is what I want, as opposed to one guy which I've seen before. It doesn't work as well, in my opinion. I think what they're trying to do is they're trying to do this thing the Patriots always did where it was, like the first guy that got to the ball carrier would would put them down, like it was like make your tackles execute, execute, execute. It was like if you got penetration, you put the quarterback down, like don't go for any crazy strip sacks, don't try to make, just like execute, execute, execute on defense, then don't break, etc. Etc. Right, this has all been talked to death and I think that it's something I've always liked about watching that team. It means they're well drilled, it means they're disciplined, it means they're concentrated, it means they're taking it seriously and I think that you can get a lot more out of a defense like that than you can out of a guy. Like a defense with two studs, you know, and like holes in the other areas because it's a big field, you know like if you get to come up against a good offense, you can start finding holes. The biggest thing I want to see over the course of the preseason is, as far as Justin Fields' deep ball goes. I think it's accurate, but I want to see him hitting route runners when they break into dead zones on on zone defenses more often. That is when you start to see elite QBs emerge. If he can do that plus he has he doesn't have to do everything anymore. You know DJ Moore, like the thing. The meme this weekend was one plus two equals six, because DJ Moore is two and Justin Fields is Jersey numbers one and two. So I love that, I love that he has DJ Moore, we have a great backfield and like all that stuff is great. But I guess my overall point is I was watching a lot more the little things you know, like how well drilled they are, what the what, the defense, what their mentality is going to be, where everybody's going to be, how everybody's going to be, and people seem to be buying it, and then that to me is like something I can probably recognize and then be like OK, I can feel good about that, even though it's a week one preseason game, if that makes sense.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, I think the biggest thing with the bears that I took away was the commitment to change the things that didn't work last year and and to show that that is a serious point of emphasis. The main thing I was going to bring up was the eight sacks, because I think they were 30 second, if not, they were like bottom five and we were last in fact I think yeah.
Dave Clarke:
So I think that's so I can tell you shows up when you're watching the team. It's very old, 100 percent, you know I mean a quarterback.
Bob Kelly:
Not having to worry about getting hit every time he drops back is such a game changer man, anybody can look like a fucking stud in that. So 100 percent, 100 percent. And and you know you said, yes, it is preseason, but it obviously was a point of emphasis going into the game. Yeah, you're 100 percent right. So that's what you look like, that's what you look for in preseason. You see what they're, what they're trying to go for. If they execute it if they look crisp. you know what I mean. There's just certain things that pop out to you like, ok, this could be a good football team, yeah. And when you see a point of emphasis like that stand out to the point where they're getting eight sacks in a game, which is, you know, I feel like that happens three, four times a year in the NFL, so like that's, that's, that's a big step forward to me. The other thing that stood out was your rookie running back, bro Roshan. I think it's Roshan Vaughan or something like that, or. Roshan Johnson. Johnson. Yeah, he was there. He breaks back 2.0. He breaks down right there.
Dave Clarke:
He is a good guy. Glial Herbets are our RB one for sure. It's the job sort of his to lose. He brings like a well rounded game that, like I think is going to work really well, especially on these like screenplays, yeah, but do you remember like I'm not saying this is what the Bears offense is now? But do you remember, like peak, obviously you do. It wasn't that long Peak Chiefs with like Tyree Kill and like that mobile backfield with the way that their offensive line worked. It was like we would rather have like sort of nimble, like smart pass and run blockers, as opposed to like like giant power blockers that are trying to like shove the line like work.
Bob Kelly:
And you want the guys that can get out on the edge and set that right.
Dave Clarke:
And because they had guys that were so fast and like that, they had skill guys that were so fast and like. That includes their QB, and I think that that became a blueprint If anybody anybody was watching and they were smart. That became a blueprint on how you use fast, skill position players behind the line of scrimmage. Because if your offensive line can get out and claim a space and like, claim a position, you can get, you can basically guarantee yourselves four to seven yards of fucking play. If you can run those plays consistently and if you have guys that are mobile and that can move, that's all the better. And then I think I can start to see the formation of a game plan with Chase Claypool in there. If he becomes the Chase Claypool that I've seen him be before, which is no guarantee I you know there's question marks about his mentality.
Bob Kelly:
He's good in practice yeah he's looking good in practice.
Dave Clarke:
But also there's there's still question marks there from that the end times in Pittsburgh and also like those skill players that Pittsburgh pick up, like they don't typically leave Pittsburgh and play really really well, like in at least in the past few years. It's like something about something in the water down there. I don't know Coalmider town, but I think I would be really encouraged to have him as a deep threat as a wide receiver to after DJ more with with how DJ more can move Yards after catch. So I can sort of see the game plan that they're going for. I think our offense is a lot better than it was last year. I think our defense is marginally better than it was last year, but I really looking forward to seeing the new lineback in court in action. But yes, I agree with you, bob, I do. I think that's a good point and I think that, like, if you don't pressure the fucking QB like it makes for tough watching, it makes her really really tough watching a fucking NFL game when you have a horse in the race.
Michael Marcangelo:
Also, every defense is going to look bad if they're always in the field. I mean, if you give them the time, it's going to happen. It's a good point.
Dave Clarke:
You remember that thing with Brady where it was like you've got to keep the ball out of his hands, like the only way to be Patriots was to keep the ball out of his hands, which, like then, had the domino effect of like hiring out that Patriots defense and the way that they played got extremely neutered by how they would stay on the field for that long. I mean, teams are only able to accomplish it once or twice in that era.
Bob Kelly:
But well, I mean, that was the only game, it was twice and it was one team.
Michael Marcangelo:
They did it for. They did it for 10 years, I mean 08 through, like 2014,. It was, it was bad, real, real fucking bad.
Dave Clarke:
It was like you could like basically attribute like a time of possession to the Patriots offense to wins, yeah, one to one. It was like if Tom Brady has the ball in his hands for more than like five playing minutes, you're, you're done, you're cooked, yeah, which was like we're never going to fucking see the like again, to be honest. But like you know, it's, it's still. It's still a fair philosophy, right? You still want to keep the ball out of the QB's hand because they can't hurt you on defense if you're safe with it.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, so one of the things that I wanted to see out of this game that I didn't get to see, but I still take it as a positive, but you kind of alluded to it was just until, though, I wanted to see him have the ability to throw somebody open deep from the pocket, because that is something that Patrick Revolves can do, josh Allen can do you know, even solar powered Kirk Cousins can do it If not what Lamar Jackson can do, and I think we all know that Justin is going to create a lot like a lot of plays with what his legs, but he's going to stay healthy. If he stays in that pocket, he gets comfortable. The flip side of that, though, is talked about the last week on the show. When you talk about Travis Kelsey, about you know how everyone on the field know that he's going to get the ball, and there's still space If the Bears offense. The offensive coordinator can scheme an offense half as well as any read in his team can. I mean Fields is going to be amazing for a very long time.
Dave Clarke:
Or offensive coordinator, was a part of the number one offense in the NFL a couple of times in Green.
Bob Kelly:
Bay.
Dave Clarke:
Well, it's, it's it's, it's, it's, it's. I like what he's doing so far.
Bob Kelly:
You have a guy like Fields man, you, you don't, you don't, you don't even have to scheme in an offense, but if you do, if you do actually scheme a successful offense, it's. It's Well what I want him to look like.
Dave Clarke:
Bob, and I've said this to you before like what I want him to look like in a perfect world is a guy that, honestly, like Eric P Garen Rogers, like if, if he can move, yeah, and get yards and in always have it be the right decision. You know what I mean. Like where he's sliding, like the end of his run is like a slide and then he just walks back to where it because it's like his arm is so lethal, and this is obviously my dream version of this. Like working, I can see this offense like I can see how it can get there, but I, you know it's not a guarantee. Like it's hard to be elite. But I think if, yeah, if every run is like Seven to eleven yards, not like scrambles for three to five, like Rogers, when he would run, he would always be the right decision. So he would run into this pocket of space and slide and it would be a first down, like almost every time. So if he could do that because they have this like triple threat, worry about him all the time. And, to your point, mike, like the deep ball, I really like his deep ball, like already, and but you can't judge it until you give him a weapon. Like we've talked about Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs. Like we've had that conversation, I don't think that DJ Moore is Stefan Diggs, but I also think he's, like, strangely criminally underrated because of the market that he's been playing in for for the past few years. Like I don't think he's like 100 percent. A household name because of that and I think I'd knock on wood, I don't want to jinx it, but something feels special about that dynamic, which I didn't actually want to say on this show because I really don't want to jinx it, but something, even in that first preseason game, something felt a little special about the two of them, the way that they linked up, because for all intents and purposes, like the report on Justin Fields, is that he's like low key, a psycho which you like want right, like he's got, he's got that like psychotic, like work rate thing. They say now you want that message coming out of any camp for your first two years QB, obviously, but like, if that is true, the third year elite could be a lot of fun to watch. You know, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm. Really I was saying all last season I can't wait for next season and like, here we are.
Bob Kelly:
Well, it's like the difference in weapons from DJ Moore, even if he's not a one, right? Well, denzel Mims, was that your number one last year? No, darnell Mooney, darnell Mooney, right. So I mean, I mean, come on, it's. It's Mooney's great, he's good, he's really good, he's great, but he's not a one.
Dave Clarke:
Not even close. No, we're not never be talked about. We're a lot deeper the wide receiver position that we were last year, that's for sure.
Bob Kelly:
And I think you're right, though that's the see the chemistry between those two in that first preseason game, where they were actually looking for each other. They want it felt like they wanted to send a message like it. I agree, I think that's going to be.
Dave Clarke:
I'll also say I was entertaining pipe dreams of us trading fucking shingles for Jonathan Taylor last week, but it doesn't. If the thing is is like he would be so good in this system too. Like the way that he is, like his he's probably this might sound like an exaggeration Like tell me if I'm exaggerating hard but like he's probably one of, if not the most elusive running backs I've ever seen. Like yeah, it's like elusiveness elusiveness being, I think, his key quality and makes him very, very fun to watch. So, like, just on that merit, I would love him, but our backfield was pretty good, so I don't know.
Bob Kelly:
I don't know, I don't know. Roshan man, I'm telling you that guy's the truth.
Dave Clarke:
Yeah, I would probably. But I would trick Lille Herbert for Jonathan Taylor straight up in a second so, if would you, would you? Yeah, I would, but I mean like they're not they're not in a great bargaining position, that doesn't. I know it sounds like like an unfair trade, but like he wants out, they want him out. It's not like that's common knowledge, so that that I could see it.
Bob Kelly:
And then, all of a sudden, our offense is like who Imagine RPO with Jonathan Taylor and Justin Fields.
Dave Clarke:
Oh my fucking God, dude, that's what I'm saying, brother, that's like plus that fucking absolute cannon of a fucking RB two, we have to just like run through shit. It's looking good, dude. The thing that I always liked about the like obviously I wanted pace out of there, like I was very vocal about that and like the coaching for the last few years. We don't need to get into that, but I think that there's a definitive fucking plan and vision and honestly, at this point, that's all I can ask for If you're trying to put a plan and a vision into place and you're making responsible and patient and intelligent decisions to make that happen and not rushing and and doing the right thing. Like I'm not going to lie to you Like I didn't necessarily want Everfools is my first choice. Like I wanted the like let's get everything we can out of Justin Fields guy. But the fact that he brought in this offensive coordinator and and QB coach and like these guys that we've brought in that with with pedigree, it shows me something that I think is very important in a leader, to be honest, which is humility, like one of you guys mentioned, like the idea of like leaving the stuff that doesn't work behind, humility and not sticking to a game plan just because it was yours, and trusting, like surrounding yourself with smart people and not putting yourself in a position where you're the only one with the answers, because you have an ego or you know you're worried about your job performance or whatever. It is Like those are good leaders to me and it seems like I might be reading into what I want to see, but it seems to me like he's putting around him a team of very smart and capable people to help the team succeed. And it's not about it. It brings me back to like the 2017 New England Patriots DK.
Michael Marcangelo:
When in Miami, when Bill Belichick said we will not throw the ball once until we can run for a first down, and they never ran for a first down. So like you don't want to become that, you know right.
Dave Clarke:
Right, and and and. At that point, the nice thing about where we are is the sky's the limit. Right now, everybody's super young. The baby bears. The coach hasn't done anything to make me insane yet. The GM hasn't done anything to make me insane yet. In fact, like they're doing positive things, I mean the GM swindled last year?
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, I thought he was.
Bob Kelly:
The theme of the bears pre this era, right Was. There is always something that that was a negative. The drawback that they had a big dark circle over it that you had to cloud over, that you had to cover up. That you had to cover up in order to be a successful football team. Well, I think, I think it's like the needles moving forward and everything is looking positive and there's an outlook of like yes, this may not be great, but we're working towards this direction.
Dave Clarke:
I think you're correct and I like having lived under that crowd at cloud. I felt it and I think the thing that I could compare it to for like the Boston sports listening fans is like you could fill up Fenway Park, no matter how good the red or bad the red socks are. Like you can. You can sell out Fenway Park no matter what. So there's certain ownership types and there's certain, there's certain powers that be that are more focused on the bottom line and not losing out on certain revenues and et cetera, et cetera. There's some ownership groups and powers that be types that are more focused on their how they look to the general public. And we're never not going to love the Halas's, we're never not going to love the Bears, we're never not going to show up to fucking Soldier Field on Sunday, no matter how badly it's fucking fallen apart. We're never not going to be vocal on the fucking Internet. And the other thing about Bears fans that I've noticed is it's my one fan base that where I live in this sort of safe space, like I can, packers fans and I talk shit to each other, but there's not a ton to talk about with how successful they've been. So it's like you know. But with the rest of the NFL they're all kind of like I'm the Bears. They think you know I no one hates the bears.
Bob Kelly:
No, it's like the opposite.
Dave Clarke:
That was Cowboys to be honest with you, but it's, it's that has sort of I think, if I were to guess what you're talking like, the answer to what you're talking about, bobby, that, I think, is what has sort of dragged us into mediocrity, because it's like where's the motivation? You know, and I think that there was finally sort of a breaking coin of patience with this bears fan base because we started to slip into joke territory, like a franchise that is kind of highly regarded and well respected has it won a fucking Super Bowl since 1985. And you drew, you traded up to draft fucking Mitch Trebisky and then you fucking brought in fucking Big Dick Nick and like he looked like shit and like et cetera, et cetera and so on and so forth down the line, tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, and eventually even the most kind midwestern soul is going to start to lose his fucking patience with this shit. And as a person who primarily grew up in Boston, I lost my patience with a long fucking time ago. So, yeah, finally the very nice people that share my fandom are coming around. But I'm really encouraged. I'm really encouraged by the culture. The kind of bummer is that I think they're doing almost the same thing in Detroit. I think they're really turning something around over there and I'm starting to sort of believe it. So we'll see. The North is up in the air, man, I also think to our power ranking show.
Bob Kelly:
I kind of hope it flips upside down. That'd be dope if the Bears and Lions end up on top of that division.
Michael Marcangelo:
It's going to because Aaron Rodgers is out of the division Now. All of the minor tweaks and increases. Minor or minor, so not like coal minor, but like small. You know, like all those little tweaks. Now those are going to be amplified because you don't have that one juggernaut team Right, and I think you know I made this point in the barring issue.
Dave Clarke:
I know that Good, sorry, I made that point in the barring issue that it's about. It's about like I think we're making adjustments to win the division now, because we can see the shift, because you can, yeah, because it's it's smart to do. You know, honestly, like how good could we have gotten over the over the course of the breadfarm and Aaron Rodgers era? It's like how good could we really have gotten while those fuckers were there? You know, like they were just putting their fucking foot on our neck for 20, 30 years.
Bob Kelly:
It's awful, it's awful, it's not.
Michael Marcangelo:
The bears are my second favorite team now because obviously Mr XFL PJ Walker on the team. I hope he makes it. I doubt it. I doubt it, we'll see. We'll see.
Dave Clarke:
I'm looking forward to watching it and, honestly, I do think you guys can all get on board with the bears because we're not divisionally conflicted.
Bob Kelly:
Hey, I've been on board with the bears and you have.
Dave Clarke:
Yeah, but, but that was the point I was going to make to Mike Bobby is you know, if you want someone, if you want a fun bandwagon to like half root for watching Justin Fields play football it's so fucking fun, man.
Bob Kelly:
It's a beautiful band, so I have. My dad is the team and I had Justin Herbert and Justin Fields and I chose Fields just because of how much fun he is Do. I was like this is not even a competition.
Dave Clarke:
It's going to be absurd. He just looks department. You know he like looks like the guy that I want to be my quarterback, if that makes sense. His face has been my avatar in our discord chat for the entirety of him since we signed them, because I immediately put him. I just took the bears for a franchise year and won the Cerebral immediately and took a picture with him in the La Barty trophy and I was like that looks good, that looks like it could happen. So I'm just like trying to manifest it.
Michael Marcangelo:
You know I don't know if the, if the next thing that we talk about is going to be as as happy. I mean, bobby, we are in your preseason.
Dave Clarke:
You guys are fucking s, robert, you're a mess, but it's like Christmas feeling.
Michael Marcangelo:
The Cowboys will never be any better this season than they are right now in your eyes. So let's talk about the preseason game number one.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, I mean listen, I know we lost, but I take, no, no, no take.
Dave Clarke:
So I take zero percent takeaway from the fact that we actually are going to say accountability, I was like it's not my fault, I know Fuck.
Bob Kelly:
Listen, this isn't a story of my life podcast. Ok, this is Um Story. This is Cowboys man. It's, it's brutal Deuce. So the one takeaway. Takeaway is Deuce Vaughn.
Dave Clarke:
He is Darren Sproles 2.0, bro, and what a find he was five foot five carries, 50 yards in a touchdown, Bro, five five one hundred and seventy pounds, and he actually is from Kansas. State too, so he really is a spin move.
Bob Kelly:
He's a carbon copy of Darren Sproles and if you add this to our offense, we're Pollard and Darren Sproles 2.0, man. I'm I'm on board with that. My biggest takeaway since we last talked is the fact that we actually signed Jack Martin. I am so happy that they finally woke up and realized that this dude is is what makes this offensive line go. The offensive line has gone from. You know, we offensive line that was the, the, the staple or the. What sort of looking for what people build off of the archetype. Yeah thank you. The of what the rest of the NFL did. And now there is no depth. It is just a bunch of injury prone old guys anchored by Zach Martin. So he had every goddamn right to hold out and I'm just happy they're smart and actually paid the dude, because without Zach Martin the Cowboys are in trouble. This offense is not the Cowboys offense without Zach Martin angering an offensive line. Ok you just can read. I'm not coming.
Michael Marcangelo:
I'm not trying to think of right here. I've just had a question for Bobby. If I could just ask, yeah go ahead, not to piss you off, but this probably will. But what exactly is the Cowboys offense?
Dave Clarke:
I think I can answer that. Can I jump in? I think it's John Stevens Jr, in the tight ends I like to me. Those are the guys that jumped out to me. He got five catches and a score, I think, and I think I might solve a little bit of your blocking issues too. And also it's that thing that you saw the glimpses of last year you got to put back in a position to succeed, like. You can't ask him to pull a rabbit out of that because I think, as the three of us, I think it was decided he's just saying that dude. So right, bobby, like weren't you encouraged by your tight ends, like the tight end friendly offense that you were sort of running and like the like? That was the thing that jumped out to me. I don't know about you.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, I mean so. I love our tight ends. Ferguson is going to be a really good tight end.
Dave Clarke:
You had a few catches too right, Like you had a few catches. It's all about replacing Dalton.
Bob Kelly:
Schultz. But the offense itself is what you saw when Tony Pollard was on the field last year. That's what the offense is moving forward, moving forward and it's going to be so. If you remember, during that playoff game against 49ers, right, what happened as soon as Pollard went out? The offense stalled.
Dave Clarke:
Your offense was done.
Bob Kelly:
Pollard is what's going to make this offense go, and I think he's going to end up being a top five, top 10, running back in the league after this year. That offense will be Tony Pollard.
Dave Clarke:
Was he not top 10 last year? Do I just because he touches?
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, I guess he was. It's just the Z took away most of it.
Dave Clarke:
But yeah, well, I mean that frustration even frustrated me, like sitting there fucking watching Zeke out on the fucking way for that. Well, I think I have a different opinion of him on the page. It's honest with you, but I think, because I think it's about what you do, I mean like it was so situationally fucking ignorant every time that they put the ball in Zeke's hands. It's like you're, you're because like what? My thing with you, bobby, if you remember, wasn't like get rid of Zeke at first, it was like just asking to do the things that he's like good at and put him in a position to fucking help your offense, as opposed to like put him in a situation that's clearly calling out for Tony Pollard Right. Like there were so many touches where it was like why isn't this going to our like superior breakout running back right now? Like it's like it's fucking second and and and five. Like just give it to fucking Tony Pollard. Like look, give you, get you a fucking first down, but instead they're given a Z for three yards and then they be in that weird third down situation. It's just like oh, you know, and I think that being eliminated for the Cowboys is is a good thing yeah 100% and that's why, like, listen, I want to come in here and be like.
Bob Kelly:
These are the takeaways that Dach didn't play Like the, the, the main guys that make this team go weren't on the field. So, yes, there were, there were standouts. You know, like I said, the running back, demonc Clarke, is a really good sideline sideline defender. He will, he will good in that game. There was the interception on the first possession of Trevor Lawrence. You know, obviously there's things that stand out but, like you know, there's still those Cowboy mistakes. But it's it's all the backups and it's all these guys that are fighting for the last spot on the roster. So it's hard for me to say, yeah, I'm feeling down about this team because the one preseason game, especially when I know I'm going to feel that way in September and October. So I got to reserve those feelings at this point and still stay on my high horse and I'm feeling good. I'm still feeling good.
Dave Clarke:
I mean, yeah, you can see that, but there was still offensive weapons that were out there that I think were proving to be. I took good thing like good things, from Deuce Vaughn and John Stevens Jr. That's that's what.
Bob Kelly:
I was going to say I took positives away from this game Also your linebackers are athletic as fuck.
Dave Clarke:
Overshown, overshown, demarvian Overshown, he looks good.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, yeah, overshown is good.
Michael Marcangelo:
Is it Marquis or Marquis fell?
Bob Kelly:
I think it's Marquis Marquis.
Michael Marcangelo:
He was all over the field. All over the field. I think he had won 10, 10 or 11 total tackles, but he was everywhere as a safety. So your defense, I think you you talked about last week.
Dave Clarke:
I think they have number one defense in the league.
Michael Marcangelo:
Like they do.
Dave Clarke:
To be honest with you, I think they're so athletic Like I think they can really get back to that like ballhawk defense of two seasons ago If they.
Bob Kelly:
I think it's the same thing that we were just talking about with the Bears. Where it's, it's, it's the mindset and the things that you see the Cowboys doing is is what you're going to see from this team moving forward. You know what I mean the, the defense. To me, the thing that they have to watch out for and it happened a few times in this game is that big penalty man, and there's so many different times where they get that big stop and for some reason, they have to stay on the field and that's what comes back to bite him and that ends up actually being the reason why they lost this game. Granted, it was backups, but I don't know. I I can't take too much away from it. I got to see what this team looks like with Dak Prescott, with branding cooks, like the offense is going to be so rebranded from what it was last year. You guys remember it's tough.
Dave Clarke:
It's tough too because, like I got to talk about the Bears in essentially the context of like we won preseason week one, like I think we had the most preseason game we're going.
Michael Marcangelo:
we're going down the ladder on purpose.
Dave Clarke:
But now it's just like Bobby's, like I don't know, dude, Dak didn't fucking play yeah. You know, also.
Bob Kelly:
I just know I always come on the mindset I got to defend my no.
Dave Clarke:
I think there's a lot of.
Bob Kelly:
I'm here at the Cowboys shield.
Dave Clarke:
Can I have a shoot One more?
Michael Marcangelo:
callback One more callback. Bobby, again not to fish you off, but we are one year removed from you telling myself and DK Sissel that the Cowboys had the best wide receiver room in the league, and now they've only gotten better because you have branding cooks. Who's who infamously ran backwards in the Super Bowl and got leveled and was good customers?
Bob Kelly:
Yeah Well, those are hardest things I've ever seen in my life. Now I mean, listen, do you remember who the wide receivers we had week one last year was like Dennis.
Michael Marcangelo:
Houston.
Bob Kelly:
No, exactly Exactly CDLAM, CDLAM is it? So it's just such a weight off my back that there actually is weapons for Dak to throw to Gallup as a three. Healthy is so different than having Michael Gallup as your number two wide receiver a halfway recovered from a tourney sale. You know, it's just night and day man when. Where it's like when we talk about the Celtics, when they finally get that depth and dudes are in the right place, in the right positions to do what they're supposed to do and not have to over perform above what they're doing, and that's what this wide receiver group is going to be moving forward. But you're not get. You're not getting me riled up on a preseason podcast. Not yet, not yet, not yet. That's that's for October, because you know.
Michael Marcangelo:
So we so talked about DK's bears and how they won the preseason that went to your cowboys and how we can't really take him away. And we're going to move on to my Patriots and I can tell you that they showed me that they are exactly who I thought they would be. As a week one of the preseason in a week one of the regular season, their offensive line is fucking terrible. They're going to get whoever they're starting quarterback is. It should be, it will be Mac. He's going to get killed because they cannot protect him. Ramon Dre I mean, I hope that he sticks out, we. But what I took away from the scan is that you need to figure out how to make Mully cutting him the next, and you need to taste and hit like Jason Hill. You need to do that because I don't, I don't want him to just run and gadget plays. I think now, especially like a second mildly dislocating your shoulder, although I didn't know, you could do that. Either it's out or it's in. I think with that one of your little bit when you're tight ends down. It's Malik's been taking reps as a quarterback and as a wide receiver. Like put him in as a as a fed into figure out a way to look like.
Dave Clarke:
Honestly, to be honest, with you he looks. He looks like fun, like I'd like to watch football. I didn't know that about your offensive line, though. Is that is that? Is that as bad as you say? Yeah, it's so bad because what? about all this talk about about Mac Jones, breakout candidate 2023, like he's like on the list, he's on everybody's list is like possible, like huge jump, like this is like what everyone's talking about, like that is that people is ignoring the fact that he's going to get like stock, like a deer and fucking murdered in the middle of football.
Michael Marcangelo:
I think that that's, that's strictly just a byproduct of the fact he has a competent offensive coordinator this year.
Bob Kelly:
No, he has a. He has a offensive coordinator. Yeah, is that not? Is there? No?
Dave Clarke:
trickle down effect to your offensive line. Then, like it can, can Bella check? Not like pull the rabbit out of a hat and put on four guys that you've never heard of? Well, switch a guy from my guard to left tackle and all of a sudden he's like having an all pro season and then, like bang, he's like is that not on the car?
Michael Marcangelo:
Well, the guy that they did that to last year was Trent Brown. And Houston are hurt all of them and they're counting on him to come back if he wasn't good last year. Like yeah he was terrible last year, what you, what you saw, yeah, but like.
Dave Clarke:
but you have to think about what I think last year offensively is a complete wash, because like you you, the guy that was coaching the entire offense was like like that's going to, that's going to be, that's going to affect the offensive line, like, if you're not scheming, sure lockers like you're going to look like shit. Like like that's just, that's just like a Matt Patricia run offense. You cannot grade any of your players. You have to pretend that year didn't happen.
Michael Marcangelo:
But what I will say is that Bill has eight million dollars tied up in Riley Reese and Connor McDermott and neither of them might be started.
Dave Clarke:
I've lied and for me he has Malik Cunningham for like 250 K. That guy's going to fuck and run all over everybody.
Bob Kelly:
He had the biggest sounding bonus out of any undrafted rookie this year. So he knew Bill knew was up. Yeah, it was like 200 grand and everyone usually gets like 50 or 25 or something like that.
Dave Clarke:
Sweet. So then Robert.
Michael Marcangelo:
Kraft, it's, it's, I think, way from from this game. Was was Malik. I also thought that, oh Jesus, key on white. He looked just angry on defense. He is going to be something, and I have to. I don't. I don't think defense is going to be a problem for the Patriots. I mean, I don't again. I don't think that they're going to be a good team at all. I still think it's going to be like seven eight wins this year.
Dave Clarke:
But, you're a practiced right.
Michael Marcangelo:
He practiced. Yeah, yeah, he practiced, I mean but just so. Just so you know he'll play. Every, every single preseason, sorry, every single training camp has every day. But the viewers are saying this offensive line is bad. It's really bad.
Dave Clarke:
Okay, and they didn't start their pretty spot on last year Again, though, again like last year, you can't judge anything from last year. Yeah, Like you just can't. What about what's his name? The? Um, fuck that wide receiver.
Bob Kelly:
You got Gigi, they brought in.
Dave Clarke:
Mario Douglas. I like solid route runner Like he's, like a six round pick would be a diamond, Like I. You know that's, that's positive. Here's the problem. I mean, I said this on the power rank. He showed a race on and it was a little bit to just fuck with him. But also, it's true, your fucking schedule is a murderous row of teeth. Right, o-okay Got-. Yeah, stop Me and spirit it.
Michael Marcangelo:
Obviously, I think that the Patriots will absolutely be functionally better than they were last year. Well, they just have to be, and they still might have a worse record because of that schedule.
Dave Clarke:
That's a fair point.
Michael Marcangelo:
So, it's going to be really hard to judge it, but what I do want to talk about is it was it became pretty apparent that, again, this wasn't the offense that was so bad that they were in the ball 30 times or 78 yards. Again, it's only preseason. It was all backups, I get that, but that forced them to go and make a panic decision and give the ZQLE at six million dollars.
Dave Clarke:
I have a different take on this than you, but go ahead.
Michael Marcangelo:
So my first take, when I when I sent it to you all yesterday, was this is Bill trying to make sure that Ramon J doesn't get paid because ZQ is going to take seven?
Bob Kelly:
I just said a little bit sometimes.
Michael Marcangelo:
I just know, Bill, I know. Let me ask you a question before you get to your take on this DJ. Do you think that at the addition of Zeke or the potential addition of Deandre Hopkins would have amounted to more wins?
Dave Clarke:
OK, obviously that's not a fair question. Like that's, like obviously it would be better to send Deandre Hopkins, but you're making them mutually exclusive, Like one doesn't have to not exist to make the other one true. So it's like a very it's a very manipulative and cunty question.
Michael Marcangelo:
Well, two, people, the last three people. They've had three star players in for visits this off season. I named two of them. They only said one of them.
Dave Clarke:
All right, but you also just went from saying that your pass protection was your biggest problem, and then you signed one of the best pass blocking running backs in the NFL.
Bob Kelly:
Literally the reason we put up with this. Three yards per carry, Like that's just what the reason.
Dave Clarke:
That's just what happened. So you can't Well, you can because you know the First Amendment and like we have a very, you know, evenly spread around shop here. But you can't decry pass protection and then get angry that they went and sign some like it's. To me it's like it made complete sense, like I went when they, when I heard that they signed them. It made so much sense because Bill Belichick signs, mother fuckers, not when they're Zeke Elliot, when they're Zeke Elliot, but he can do something with them. You know, and it's like to me, it just made. It just made all the fucking sense in the world. I was like, contextually and situationally, he needed to get out of Dallas. You know going to be good, but like you know, in New England I think you're going to really like him as a pass blocker and, honestly, you think you think Bill Belichick gives a fuck.
Michael Marcangelo:
You think he won't be like your only dollars for a pass blocker.
Dave Clarke:
I mean as opposed to as 12 million dollars. You're also a threat Like all three offensive line then If you run, if you run for effective fucking running plays with him in a game, then they have to scheme, like right away they have to scheme and then all of a sudden he's out there as a pass blocker and you have an anticipated for that and your linebackers picking up a spy. In no man's land Like this is, I think. To me it didn't seem like an absurd amount of money for him especially. Maybe maybe that's in relation to the contract he just came off, but like and probably is but, and like that's another reason they had to get him out of Dallas. Like that contract was such an albatross around your neck, you know, like that was a big part of the talking point. I also think that's not too much for the money, but that's the end right there. I just think. I think it's the perfect place for someone like him to go and shrug off expectations based on the name recognition. Like it's the place that the thing that New England has always done well is. It's like you're a patriot, first You're not, and that's Bill Belichick all over your patriot and then you're whoever the fuck you are. So if he goes to Pittsburgh, there's this Zeke Elliott thing like hanging around his head, if I'm talking about from his perspective, if he goes, if he goes to Arizona, if he goes to Green Bay, there's this well, we got Zeke, let's see what he can do. But the Patriots you think about it as a fan base in a different way and you're smart too, because you're actually like well, what's Bill going to do with that guy? And I think that's the way to think about it, because people he's now in the Patriots like can out of people he's he's no better or worse than anyone else and like the media is going to start to get affected by that and it's going to be less headlining. He's just not going to be that headlining because it's going to be what he's used for. And I think it's smart pickup I genuinely do, especially for what you just told me you fucking need it which is past blocking.
Michael Marcangelo:
You don't pay a running back up to six million dollars for the fucking past.
Dave Clarke:
He works, he works. That's not what you do.
Michael Marcangelo:
Especially when you, when you let a good past prospecting running back go to a past protection plus million dollars.
Dave Clarke:
past protection plus and plus. You have a good past backfuel on paper now Like that's the plus, so your pay. Your fucking backfield might be top seven on paper, honestly.
Bob Kelly:
So I mean top. So OK, yes, top seven I'll give you. I saw a couple posts today.
Dave Clarke:
It was like do the post that we have the best back. I saw that I was like no, you absolutely.
Bob Kelly:
I literally would do people for the fuck broke that. What, what Zeke Elliott quick big looked like last year. It's not the way you just said. It is so perfect because I literally got two pictures in my head of like it's not Zeke Elliott and that's crop top jumping over people doing this. It's Zeke Elliott, which is three point two yards per carry in a Patriots jersey.
Michael Marcangelo:
It's just we're going to get the seed me more thing when he, when he picks up a fucking blitz, like that's what's going to happen.
Dave Clarke:
I'm just so happy to know, that's my point. That's not what's going to happen. That's not what players do when they get to New England. They don't, they don't retain that part of their person.
Bob Kelly:
Well, it doesn't happen for you for the last time. I, by the way. Great Thanks, Bobby. Yeah, just for you. Just for you. You can buy it if you want. I'll send it to you.
Michael Marcangelo:
No, I'm going to get the number 15, one that they start tipping out down to Gillette. Is he 15? Yeah, I do agree that in the right situation.
Bob Kelly:
I feel like he could be very effective and he was in certain times last year, like, like.
Michael Marcangelo:
Like I said, when he was on the. You don't have to sell me on this and you don't need to do this because he got worse with the best offensive line in the league. Yeah, year after year.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, he's gone, good riddance. Good luck, mike.
Michael Marcangelo:
I don't understand what you're trying to sell here. You don't need to. It's as a Patriot fan that is tormented mainly you, bobby, but I assume you two DK I don't miss. We deserve it. We're getting exactly what we deserve.
Bob Kelly:
Like this is not going to be good because you're not even getting what you deserve yet, because you're still mediocre and still have a possible chance at a playoff birth. Me Tom Brady love the Buccaneers and they're going to be two and 15 this year. They're going to be the worst. We made this.
Dave Clarke:
We made this point on the power I can show anywhere in here, Mike, because like these are the only fucking franchises ever.
Bob Kelly:
Only franchise back in that stature.
Dave Clarke:
Walking off, walking off and going somewhere else. And winning Like that should have destroyed the Patriots for the next Destroyed him Like it should have. But because you had Bill Belichick, you're still like winning fucking seasons. It's wild Also, your fucking division is so scary, did he die?
Bob Kelly:
I just see a little mouth pop. No, no, he's still fucking, he's still Honestly like you.
Dave Clarke:
Like like we won't even bet against them. Like we just it's one once bitten, twice shy with the fucking Patriots. Like, like I'm watching the Jets get better, week to week. I'm watching them get better. I'm looking at how good the bills already are. I'm looking at how good the Dolphins already are, except I'm pretty sure that the offensive line wants to to die, like I don't know what he did to them, but like he wants, they want to have a fucking be killed this year, which I don't see him making it through the whole season. Just as a separate aside, but I'm not writing off the past. I still think you can win fucking 10 games and just like spit it right in my face. I could see it, I've seen it Patriots are only.
Michael Marcangelo:
Okay, well, he ends this and when we start picking, like the wins and losses division. But what I will just say is the Patriot, their favorite, to win four of their 17 games this year. That's it.
Dave Clarke:
Four, that could be an identity builder. You know what it could be? Everybody's, everybody's.
Bob Kelly:
Things we can do it before, before we end here.
Dave Clarke:
I bet you lose those four games too, by the way, and still I know what the winning record Okay really A winning record. Yeah, I think you'll have a winning record this year. I'm never, ever going to say the opposite with the past. I'm just not going to do it. It's just I'm not taking a victory lap. I've taken like six victory laps in the Patriots and they all turned out to be fucking premature.
Michael Marcangelo:
Like I'm not doing it. We have losing seasons to two out of the last three years.
Dave Clarke:
Yeah, I guess, I don't know, last year was comical too.
Bob Kelly:
Last year was something, oh my.
Dave Clarke:
God, I mean that offense. It was something, it was something. What is happening? The?
Bob Kelly:
opposite. That's what's so different about these Patriots is like the way that they lose games is just wild. Is it, bobby? Just wild? No, but I just want to say, dk, I'm happy for you. I'm happy for you that most of this podcast was us sitting here, because this used to be reversed. It was us sitting here talking and gloating about the Bears and how positive we are about their team moving forward, and was actually a focal part of the show. That's something that we haven't been able to do in a few years and I'm happy for you.
Dave Clarke:
That feels like a backhand in compliment. It was 100%.
Bob Kelly:
That's what you guys get for making me defensive about the. Cowboys.
Michael Marcangelo:
Every goddamn time I come out here.
Dave Clarke:
I'm actually really happy for you. See, mike's a nice guy. Mike's a nice guy. I went and sued him Right.
Bob Kelly:
You can sense the manipulation coming through the screen.
Dave Clarke:
What would have been better to sign Zdalius, or someone way better than Zdalius.
Michael Marcangelo:
No, they were comparable.
Dave Clarke:
Answer that question, if you dare.
Michael Marcangelo:
They're comparable.
Dave Clarke:
Man, I'm just fucking happy they were going to be watching football in three weeks. Real, proper, competitive football. I'm down for it. I mean you two will. I won't be Dude. You're so down on these fucking guys, jesus.
Michael Marcangelo:
Okay, again, I think that they're better than they were last year. Let's just say that Any positive?
Dave Clarke:
Can you say two nice things about the Patriots? Can you say two positive things about the Patriots this year?
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, I think they're going to have a top 10 defense. I think that Jusri Smith Schuster is going to shut a lot of people up this year when they say that he's comparable to Jacoby Myers.
Dave Clarke:
No disrespect to Jacoby Myers comparable winner, juju Smith Schuster, has things left to prove.
Michael Marcangelo:
Oh oh, don't live in your own. Oh yeah, they're saying. They're saying Juju is the exact same one receiver as Jacoby Myers and I can't.
Bob Kelly:
Is that a faggot? No, no every, every.
Michael Marcangelo:
AM radio takes to this no, every, every B writer is saying that it's a one for one. It's like what are you talking about? And no, no, it's Jacoby fucking Myers. Like what do you mean it? This is Juju Smith Schuster, and I think that he's going to have a.
Dave Clarke:
What is that about the? About the attitude towards him in general? Like that, get off my lawn kids these days bullshays because he like made TikToks for like five seconds. Yeah, and like like to me, I would, if you're just like, if you want to know, sound like you know you're fucking talking about when you're talking about football. He went into a system in Kansas City that did not fit his playstyle at all and he made a ton of adjustments and like had a really good Super Bowl game, so like. I don't know in like it's just like fit it if we true.
Bob Kelly:
Like a lot of his bad rap was the way it ended with Antonio Brown and the shit that he was getting into with with the Steelers and Antonio Brown's a fucking asshole. A, b specifically, and I think we know how that turned out, so I think we should cut him off some slack.
Michael Marcangelo:
Isn't that? Yeah, I mean that's why he gets that negative connotation. right yeah, I do think that Juju, I think there was a like a brief period of time there where he thought he was going to be a one, and that's like you should always have a mentality, but they quickly realized that he isn't. But he's a damn good too, and he's he's far and away more talented than Jacobi Myers. So it's to think that, oh, it's going to be the same, you know one for one, that's bullshit, and I think that he's going to surprise a lot of people when he shouldn't have to. He's just, he's just that much more talented.
Bob Kelly:
What's stupid about is is so I Jacobi Myers ceiling is. I mean, I can't even Jacobi Myers saw anything. But yeah, juju ceiling I feel like could be like an Anquan Bolden, I feel like that's. That's what Juju ceiling actually is, where he's. That possession type receiver is never going to blow your way with the speed, never going to take the top off of defense, but he will absolutely take a game away from you 100%.
Dave Clarke:
And I think I agree with you. I think like funny enough, like you can compare him to a lot of that type of wide receiver to come out for it specifically. Like you've seen, guys like that are one tier below the Antonio Browns in the world. Come through that organization and it's like they have like one elite skill is what you're saying, right, bobby? It's like you can do one thing Like I feel like Juju's hands, like I feel like he'll edge everything.
Bob Kelly:
He's strong as fuck and like he, yeah, he'll beat.
Dave Clarke:
He might not beat the defender off the run, Like you're saying. I agree with that and I think that a lot of people have. That is like a prerequisite of a wide receiver. It's like, oh, if you can't create space, like you can't be in the NFL, and it's like, well, I don't know how true that is Like, how good are you at running underneath routes? Like, how good are you? Are you a catching, like away from your body? How good you know what I mean? Like those little kind of like small, um, incremental things that like, like you said, like games turn on these. You know they 100% turn on these. And I also think he's good in pressure situations. So it's like you have two to three elite skills. You can do a job, as they say, in an offense, but I also think he's a little even better than that. I think he can make a player too in a game. And, yeah, RB or a wide receiver one maybe not, but we've started to classify If you guys I think that we you could call us like the children of Calvin Johnson Like we've started to classify wide receiver ones as like, unless you're like in the tier of elite wide receivers, like the top eight to 11 wide receivers in the NFL. You're like not a true wide receiver one. So it's like, yeah, I get it, but you can win a Super Bowl with three really good wide receivers and not one like unbelievably.
Bob Kelly:
Hinds Ward was the number one wide receiver for a team that won two shoots, right yeah.
Dave Clarke:
I mean he was. He had a fucking great Super Bowl. Like yeah, but he ain't. You know what I mean. It's like it's about this. It's about what you're a weapon. You know what I mean. Like you're a fucking weapon. How you use that weapon is what's important. Like it's not hinging on the guy, like the quarterback, you know, or Lori, or this. And now, in today's era, you have tight ends that can all catch.
Bob Kelly:
I was gonna speak those. You know like those, but you don't need it to create separation, you don't know.
Dave Clarke:
No, no, you just need to run good routes. You need to find dead zones and zone defenses. You need to be smart, like it. Like if you think. If you think that the Kansas City Chiefs have been the best team in the past five years because of their are, just just because of their talent, you're wrong. They are have been light years ahead of everybody, and how they run and scheme to their offenses Like Andy Reed has been like full on playing 3D chess and really they're literally running ring around the rosy as a play, Right Like and like yeah, I mean yeah, gimmick plays aside, though, like they're, they're off, like if the Patriots did that defensively in their dynasty, in their era of domination in the 2000s, I think, like I really think, defensively they were light years ahead of everybody and that's why Bella Czech was able to get guys from the sixth round to come in and be fucking world beaters for a year, you know, and it was because of how he schemes defenses. He's obviously a defense first guy, like it's. You know there's nobody's arguing that Reed has this ability to like draw up these offenses that are so sick it's. And he puts guys in these positions that, yeah, our talent and he's got, he's a good talent scout too and everything. But you want to be building teams now to, in my opinion, based on the Kansas City Chiefs blueprint, and you don't need to get Patrick Mahomes and fucking Tyree kill to do that. You know you can get juju Smith Schuster. You, they literally showed you that in Kansas City last year that you can get a juju Smith Schuster. Put him into a situation that accentuates not necessarily his one, two and three talents, but what you need from him in given situation and that's what the Patriots love in a player, so why would anyone be mad that he's in on your team? I don't get it.
Michael Marcangelo:
I mean I wholeheartedly agree. The chiefs lost Tyree kill, replaced him with two or three number twos and still work and no one thought it was going to work Right Because of the ski, I mean that's it, but I don't and be, but also because you have Patrick from home and Travis Kelsey.
Dave Clarke:
Well you, they made Travis Kelsey the wide receiver. One Doesn't, that's another. That's another example of why they're fucking. Why they're fucking light years ahead of everybody, though, is they were literally like. Travis Kelsey is our fucking number one receiving threat this year.
Bob Kelly:
You know, you know and it works. We need to talk about Travis Kelsey more, and then maybe he'll come on a podcast or he'll invite us on his show.
Dave Clarke:
Fucking good dude. I draft.
Bob Kelly:
I draft.
Dave Clarke:
I draft him like 12th in our fantasy and he just lit he's going first overall this year.
Bob Kelly:
So it's like he's, he's a blue.
Michael Marcangelo:
But before we go, we talked about how the Packers have had a hall of fame quarterback for the last 35 years. Right, two of them? Have the chiefs had a hall of fame tied in the last 20 years, was there?
Dave Clarke:
was. There was a Tony between Tony and Tony and there was a break in Atlanta for a little bit too, he put he was in Atlanta for a few years.
Bob Kelly:
There's definitely a gap there, but when, when, when was Kelsey drafted?
Michael Marcangelo:
I think I was 17. I was 17.
Dave Clarke:
That's like five years after Tony Gonzalez left.
Michael Marcangelo:
Was it? Was it five?
Dave Clarke:
Yeah, it was a while, at least, at least OK there's like Tony Gonzalez, all time mad in 99 street right, like he's the guy who was rated 99.
Bob Kelly:
He's. Don't. Don't forget the teams had.
Dave Clarke:
And he dropped off when he went to Atlanta.
Bob Kelly:
Remember the teams had a streak there with there wasn't a pass catcher who caught a touchdown for like 27 straight games.
Michael Marcangelo:
It was because Alex, because Alex was a quarterback yeah, and do it.
Dave Clarke:
You know it's kind of crazy if you think about it. This is kind of stupid but also kind of crazy. It's like Patrick Holmes is the best quarterback to ever play for the Kansas City. She's because Montana played there in the 90s. But like potentially open in that can right now Really.
Bob Kelly:
I mean, I'm not saying.
Dave Clarke:
Montana on the chiefs, but he's now most talented quarterback the Kansas City have ever had. Right Like that, he's just not.
Michael Marcangelo:
Or is yeah, I disagree. I think he's better than Montana already.
Dave Clarke:
Yes. Already.
Bob Kelly:
Yes, already there's. There's no doubt about it. So wait a second. So we're just throwing the rings. I think better at every aspect, we're throwing the rings argument out the window like that. That's just a better quarter it doesn't matter, says fucking.
Dave Clarke:
Who says you motherfucker, what the fuck? Joe Montana is still firmly number two. He's still firmly number two.
Bob Kelly:
I know, but talent lies I, talent lies my home's better than Brady, it's just he doesn't have a better career. But cool talent Awesome.
Dave Clarke:
Have that, hold that, go over there with that. What the fuck career? That's what matters. Ok, we're talking about quarterbacks.
Bob Kelly:
The NFL does the chiefs? The chiefs, the terms have been decided. The chiefs doesn't count towards Montana's accolades.
Dave Clarke:
That's fair, that's fair, I'll take that.
Michael Marcangelo:
Let me ask you a question, bobby. How many, how many Super Bowl says attachment homes lost? What one more than Montana?
Dave Clarke:
So I think, he's got that Jordan. He lost an AFC.
Bob Kelly:
He lost an AFC championship game, ok, so.
Michael Marcangelo:
I lost a shit. He lost a shit ton of NFC. I don't give a shit, but never lost in zero. Well, you know, I'm pretty sure he's perfect.
Bob Kelly:
I was bound to step on it because it's like but like he didn't get there every year, that's what break.
Dave Clarke:
OK.
Bob Kelly:
Brady. So much because.
Dave Clarke:
But don't, don't shift the goalpost. We're not talking Brady versus Montana, you stupid son of a bitch. You can't just say in it.
Bob Kelly:
My dad. What do you mean? What do you mean?
Dave Clarke:
Brady versus Montana.
Bob Kelly:
No, I do that, but no, I was going to get there hey. I'm connected Sorry.
Michael Marcangelo:
You just said. You just said Mike did it.
Bob Kelly:
I know I had to think of my rebuttal first, so I just went.
Michael Marcangelo:
I got to the.
Bob Kelly:
So I mean, it's about it, though I don't think it matters that he lost that Super Bowl because he got the Tom Brady and exactly, and it was the fucking Tom Brady and it was the last Super Bowl for Tom Brady, maybe fixed, who knows. But I'm just saying Right Listen.
Dave Clarke:
I'm just saying I mean Mike, you're the stats guy.
Bob Kelly:
He got there.
Dave Clarke:
He got there. Joe Montana 192 games. Pashmore home's 80 games. So let's just cut everything in half for Joe Montana, right? Yeah, way more completions. Three thirty five hundred and nineteen eighty five. Way less attempts, way less attempts, if you, if you parse it out, he's got five thousand three hundred ninety one past attempts, and Pashmore homes has already got over three thousand. So if I mean he's a home Through the ball a lot Less nineties bro.
Bob Kelly:
He would have broke fucking football. They wouldn't have known what the fuck to do with it.
Dave Clarke:
Obviously, bro, but that's not the case. Like that's not how you have these arguments, like you can't be like yeah, we perfected sports science and started specimens in a fucking lab. They would go back and beat these motherfuckers from the Stone Age. Yeah, of course you got to compare them in their own era. You can't cheat in conversations like this, right, have you not had?
Bob Kelly:
these before. You can't compare Mahomes to Monta, Like no.
Dave Clarke:
you can compare them based on what was in front of them and the fucking context of the lead that they were in. This is one problem with the fucking Jordan LeBron argument. It's like to me it's like six or six, like cut and dry, You're done. Six or six before. You play against guys that were trying to kill him with a hatchet Like it's. It's a fucking it's a rat.
Michael Marcangelo:
I want to ask you a question, dj, before we wrap it up In his first five years, is he better than Brady Mahomes? Sorry, and Brady's first five years?
Dave Clarke:
Yeah, brady's first five years versus Mahomes first five years. Yep, I think they're identical.
Bob Kelly:
I honestly think they're identical. I think they're identical, reanna for, isn't it? Yeah, but Mahomes has one Reanna for Two out of three, right Two out of three, he's one. And that's what Brady was. Two out of three, yeah, two out of three he wanted he.
Michael Marcangelo:
He won in 19 and then in 22.
Dave Clarke:
Yeah, so two out of three because he lost in 21.
Michael Marcangelo:
Or he lost in, you lost in 20. It didn't go to two out of four, so two out of four.
Bob Kelly:
But still if you think about in their DK you sound different in their odds on favorite this year.
Dave Clarke:
I'm just doing math in my head, which makes me have to go quiet because I'm not, if you if you. Ok, so well. Well, I'm actually.
Bob Kelly:
But if you actually think we said this on the power ranking show, I said this at the very end. It's funny if we're talking about this at the very end of this one too. Mahomes has a real, real, legitimate shot to have an equal to, if not better, career than Tom Brady.
Dave Clarke:
Yeah can I?
Bob Kelly:
can't do well, thank you. It is an actual thing that is in play. People can talk about it, but it is an actual thing that if this level of dominance remember how sure you were, how good the chiefs were last year that's what could happen for the next ten fucking years. Every single year he is in the league. So it is very possible and very much on the table for him to have an equal career and.
Dave Clarke:
Brady, you're literally talking about. You're talking about a guy that has to go and win four fucking Super Bowls to do this. Like you know we're all so flippant about five. Not the fucking Right, oh yeah, forgot the fucking ears. One Jesus Christ, but, but, but, would you fucking crazy?
Bob Kelly:
But also flip it Ten years from now.
Dave Clarke:
Apparently, that is to do dude.
Bob Kelly:
So so is it unfathomable that it's 2033? There's been 10 Super Bowls and Pat Mahomes has won half of those. I don't think that's a crazy thing to think about.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, yes, because Joe Burroughs is the lead now. Right, right, so he wins three and Brady wins two.
Dave Clarke:
Brady wins every single Super Bowl. He was in no. No, he didn't. He didn't even win MVP in the first three, because I think that that might be, that might be a casual you could use, because Mahomes is going to win MVP in every single win that he ever wins in the Super Bowl, like he just is.
Bob Kelly:
So and, like Brady, was amazing in the Super Bowl he lost. He was the only reason that they were close in that game. He threw about 45 yards.
Michael Marcangelo:
But you just figure first five years in the league, Brady won three Super Bowls and and first five years in the league.
Dave Clarke:
Mahomes went to the first six years. First six is three to two. First five it's two to two Right.
Michael Marcangelo:
No, Brady was drafted in 2000. So 2000 to 2005,. They won 01, 03, 04. So it's so it's.
Dave Clarke:
Why did I think they had the same amount at this point? That's weird. Ok, and they're two to two at this point because Brady won two out of three. Then by your logic, you won two out of three Super Bowl MPPs right by the by in his first five years.
Michael Marcangelo:
No, no, he won none you did not bring in here. Those are what I need to do. I don't think that's. I just think we're ahead of you guys.
Bob Kelly:
I think this is a conversation that we're having Five years ahead of schedule, and I think it's a real, a real possibility that five years from now, people are like is Mahomes going to be better than Brady Because he's going to win two or three more? Well, he might.
Michael Marcangelo:
Sorry, he might have won two Super Bowl MPPs and Pat Mahomes has won two MPPs, he's one.
Dave Clarke:
They both won two Super Bowl MPPs by 27. They both won two Super Bowl MPPs, so that's something.
Bob Kelly:
Brady did win the first one. You're right, he did win the first one and the second one yeah. All right, so we're fucking stupid, but well, yeah, you guys are.
Dave Clarke:
I'm not, but the, the, the, the important thing, being like that's where you start breaking it down, is my point. Like once, it's like first he has to equal the amount of Super Bowls, then he has to do Bobby I don't know, man, it's such a big hill to climb Like he has to win five more Super Bowls and in one of those Super Bowls he has to complete one of the greatest comebacks in the history of Super Bowls, if not the greatest. It has to be a bigger score line, or equal to score line to the Falcons Patriots. One Like right, what do you mean, dude? That's like it's a full blown accomplishment. Like you're not putting that shit on your resume. Like you can't like the one side of fucking. Like like people are walking. It was a stadium.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, I guess that's a present. It was like his goat status.
Dave Clarke:
It was like it was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen and I was glad it happened because it kind of overshadows the bronze three. One comeback against the Warriors.
Bob Kelly:
I'm like I can always be like that fucking game was harder 20th to three was pretty sweet because the best part about it was you could see that shit coming from from the moment they came out of half time. You're like, oh shit, Patriots, I'm gonna fuck it. I knew when I saw that.
Dave Clarke:
I saw how hard the Falcons were celebrating in the second. I was like you guys, fucking idiot. You're counting your chickens. Brady's going to come, take all your chickens.
Bob Kelly:
I'm just. I'm just, it's, it's. It's going to be tough to persuade me that the Chiefs are gonna be the favor for the next five years in the end of it.
Dave Clarke:
You know it's a better coach, or Andy beats better coach.
Bob Kelly:
I think I think you give Bill Ballochek, pat Mahomes and his prime.
Dave Clarke:
We see something against you Sure, you sure he doesn't play in the wide receiver or some shit, and like fucking no, I was gonna say he probably puts on fucking putt block. I just think. I would have any.
Bob Kelly:
I'm not talking about C and I will bill. I'm not talking about old bill.
Dave Clarke:
Yeah, fucking put on a pump blocker.
Michael Marcangelo:
It's read was one more than you read my opinion, because then he made a pro bowler out of Todd of the McNabb post jail, Michael Vick, Alex Smith and that wins Super Bowls with with Mahomes like that is just I think he's gonna six.
Dave Clarke:
I just gotta get six of these talking. If we're talking about him versus Belichick, I just think. I think the criteria is clear with these conversations.
Michael Marcangelo:
Well, it's about the amount of rings you pull in, like well, but but does Pat Mahomes go for 20 years with Andy Reid? Because Bill doesn't win six without Tom Brady.
Dave Clarke:
So I need Andy Reid to start like monitoring his A1C. If that's gonna be the case, he needs to start like fucking eating wheat bread.
Bob Kelly:
If we want to make it a 20 more years.
Michael Marcangelo:
That's happening. Just, just just 15 more years. So it's on me 15 more.
Bob Kelly:
He all technically all he needs is five more. His personal life is not doing a man.
Dave Clarke:
They go five. Oh, that's another factor. What?
Bob Kelly:
is the condition of his family, another factor.
Dave Clarke:
No, another factor is the amount of back to back to back, because if they go, if they win one, going down to and then fire off, like three or four in a row, like that's official dynasty status, like you might even be able to say that he, if he has one less than Brady, at that point he might be better.
Michael Marcangelo:
Like you, like three in a row. Bill never did that Right.
Bob Kelly:
There's a big gap in Brady's career where he doesn't have those Super Bowls and Brady's got like three Hall of Fame Proofs.
Dave Clarke:
Bro, it's bananas.
Michael Marcangelo:
He just has an almost perfect season right in that period.
Dave Clarke:
But if that season resulted in a Super Bowl, we would not even be having this conversation.
Bob Kelly:
There's no conversation.
Dave Clarke:
And in fact, we probably shouldn't be having this conversation.
Bob Kelly:
If I'm being a hundred percent honest with you, we're five Super Bowls away, like how many two Super Bowls If he does it in 15, so he doesn't play 20 years right.
Dave Clarke:
You didn't even believe he was going to win shit last year.
Bob Kelly:
Well, now I do.
Dave Clarke:
And now and now, you're just what it is.
Bob Kelly:
I know it is You're hoping that he fucking did.
Dave Clarke:
You're hoping for this.
Bob Kelly:
This is what it is You're hoping that he eclipses Brady. Who said assign a leadership is to acknowledge your mistakes and move forward in the best way possible, and that is what I am doing, okay, so captain my captain.
Michael Marcangelo:
Remember Bobby, just remember Bobby. But before we wrap it up and before I do, thank you, dj. Thank you, thank you, bobby, but time alone is to do this. The next five years I mean, it's five more years without Dallas Cowboy Women's Super Bowl. We'll talk to you next week on. This Is the Point.