Boston Celtics introduce Brogdon and Gallinari, Recapping a wild week of NBA Free Agency
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Recapping a wild week that was the first official week of 2022NBA Free Agency. The Boston Celtics officially introduced Malcolm Brogdon and Danilo Gallinari to the Celtics Media and discussed their roles in the upcoming 2022-2023 Celtics season.
Will an established starter in his prime really be alright with being relegated to a bench, 6th man role? Or will it eventually cause inner turmoil? Or could it just be the perfect situation for a player who has struggled to remain healthy?
We'll also discuss other moves that were made around the NBA including Deandre Ayton staying in Phoenix after the Suns match Pacers’ offer sheet, Damian Lillard signing a two-year max extension with the Portland Trailblazers, and so much more!
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Welcome to missing a point I in British Columbia Canada with the best walk through my guide case there's a lot the guy who wrote the Kpop Kelly and listen this is somebody to do obviously you know just Just when we thought we would double chop this talk we come right back with some more eat or yeah so yeah let's get into it man so suddenly because that started over there in Vegas and there's a lot of players that we've been able to look at over the last week or so so you know decal start with you you know just based on what you've seen so far. You know who was going to stand out for you on unsalted some of them
Dave Clarke:are like the big guy the big guy whose name I'm not going to attempt to pronounce
Rob Kelly:because like muffin do muffin do carbon galley
Dave Clarke:Kevin gal Yeah, I mean the second name is a little bit easier but you know I wouldn't I wouldn't attempt to butcher the first one I really like him as you know, I'm a big fan of big man we'll definitely get into that when we get to possible TP pics later. But I just really liked him I feel like he looked he's got an NBA body which is like I think firstly, you want to check off the list when you watch and so really right which I actually feel like all the guys that perform well in the summer league were really filled out they really looked like they could go and compete with guys that like our NBA size but him especially I feel like his he has presence which is something like I always look forward to big man and I'm talking stuff that translates you know what I mean? Like obviously we have it in the back of our heads like Don't overreact to summer league Don't overreact to summer league like I have overreacted to summer league in the past I'm not gonna lie. Like I have I have thought some guys that we never saw again we're going to be the second coming of Robert Parrish. Like don't get me wrong, but in saying that in order to try and temper my views I do just try to look for stuff that that translates he hustles I have one rule I don't know if you guys watched like all the games but he had one really great hustle play out of bounds where he got a an assist like passing the ball back and right underneath the retinue the basket he laid out for it passed it back in for a finish and I like hustle from big men I like the fact that he looks like you can move you know you slot them into a Celtics roster 30 games into the NBA season maybe he looks a lot slower all of a sudden I mean we've had that happen in the past but I feel like he looks like he can move he looks like he can play make a little bit we run a lot of of our offense through our bigs when we run to member rotations which again when we get into the trade trade exception we need some depth there I think we'll talk about that. I feel like you got to give them a slot I feel like that's the guy that stood out to me and you know I know that there was there was players who had better stat limits and I'm sure we're going to talk about them but for me it's it's roster needs as opposed to you know just just basic summer league performances the guy who I thought stood like he was the guy I thought stood out as far as let's get him a roster spot because I think he might actually get a chance to submit it's especially with the Rob Williams is the world not being you know all the time healthy and forget even his health do we want to give him like a little bit of an extended layoff in the first few games in the regular season as we get into things and give guys like that minutes you know and give a little bit more of the bench deeper bench at the start of the season. So Rob can get like 100% healthy like how what's the timeline on that when he's not limping around and I feel like you know promoting from within for for that role, I think is a great thing to do like that's the that's the really nice part about summer league. I think you can you can try a lot of guys out in the first few games in the regular season like see what they're made of. And I think we honestly I don't know how you guys feel but I really feel like the whole roster really impressed this summer league, you know, not since I think Jaylen ins and I think I think Jaylen second year in Summer League, which was a weird but kind of cool thing that he did was as excited about a group of players or
Rob Kelly:one. So I thought I thought it was cool
Dave Clarke:though. He's like fuck it. I want to play more basketball. I need more minutes. Any more reps. Like I'm trying to be out here working hard. But yeah, he was flipping Absolutely. I mean, not everybody but not since that have actually been as excited about a Summer League Group. And I thought like I'll leave it to you guys to talk about probably the other obvious notables or notable, but I really Yeah, I really enjoyed him and especially with our needs a big man and that's gonna be the theme of my show today.
Rob Kelly:So I know you feel but it was Kevin Bailey, what you noticed most is that you do notice and that's that's my biggest thing was a big presence. Like I said it was a big man. That's that's the number one thing that I always look for is how often do you do you disappear for 10 minutes because as big man you can't you know and stretch of a big game. When it comes down to it. You got to notice your seven foot center out there if you don't have a proper day. He definitely has that. The other guy is the garden man. He's, he's awesome. He he's got it on a basketball court. You know, you just see certain guys that just are playmakers that, you know, make make things happen. And he's one of those dudes from it. I think Bogaard deserves you know, at least a 12 man spot he deserves housers
Dave Clarke:have it to me have a two way contract last season? I think he didn't know
Rayshawn Buchanan:he was doing still draft the statues that he was playing over France. Okay. Just just a damn just just like just like the AMA docket. He's over the interest though, which I want to see him come over here too, but obviously that didn't happen but yeah, he's been he's been he's gonna press
Rob Kelly:and the other guy is I'm gonna get this wrong is Trivette chivay Oh, yeah, no trivia Williams trivia Williams tribe that was the worst pronounce was really good. He's awesome. He's awesome. He he sees the basketball court and he I think he just steal as an undrafted. You take you do two way with him. You don't risk it. Don't ever let him go to waivers. He's, he's he's a steal that if you keep them in a selfish uniform, it's gonna be like a dream on where you know, you know, I mean, where you get him late, and he's awesome.
Dave Clarke:Yeah, there was a ton of like, why didn't he get drafted? Right after and we're in Bradstreet too. I texted about it in the in the group text. It was like Brad scoop Jim and I was like, I wonder who this guy is. I didn't know a ton about him. And everything you read was like what happened was like, what's the deal? Why did he go undrafted? I think it was might have just been a weird, like a weird phenomenon. And I think we might have capitalized on and I really think it was a swoop.
Rayshawn Buchanan:What do I mean? We I want to say we talked about it might have been me and Mike talked about. We
Rob Kelly:talked about him on the March Madness show. 100% He came up on last year's March Madness show 100% I thought
Dave Clarke:he was gonna go in the first round is what is what people were saying. The reason why he
Rayshawn Buchanan:may not so I made this comparison to maybe you guys are with me. You may disagree with us. Okay. He reminds me of Greg Monroe. Right. Raymond wrote to me, and this is even before he got to Boston, but it he moves like Greg Monroe, he's also left handed player has good handles agreement row pad as well when he came on to Georgetown, but treyvion Williams came out 10 years too late. And what I mean by that, obviously, he's, you know, you can't help when when you're born obviously, but I was
Dave Clarke:gonna say that Greg Monroe comparison. Not exactly a prototypical 2022 MBA.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Well, no, but no, but I said no, I'm asking you as to why would you draft like That's why like, at if this was 2010 He would have went top 10 Because of how how his game translates but he passed like we talked about the vision is there right? He has a bit of a postie bike he knows how to finish over his left shoulder really well. And he occasionally will hit a three they come together is a little more polish when it was heading to three but what Trevor Grant Williams like he's he's he's more of a interior guy. And as someone that obviously can see the court really well I think we need for sure but I'm saying like I'm just speaking to why he probably like didn't get drafted then you know he doesn't move exceptionally well. If you're moving see well and obviously that's something that he's gonna have to do if he's at the next level regardless of what uniform he plays in so you know there's still a lot of things that go out there but just offensively you can see why you know he was even picked up for assembly team and has a legit chance to lie or at least be a two way player or have not made a 15 man roster with the standard contract but for me to gather stood out I'm with you Bobby Bogaard has been awesome he's to me He's everything we thought Romeo was going to be everything was number one we were going to be that's what regardless and so he's attacking him every time you know the jump shots a little raw but like I said he is a slasher
Rob Kelly:since you can tell for sure for sure it
Rayshawn Buchanan:is also whatever so you know so that that to me will come along but yeah, he's been awesome but I didn't the guy about the break up I didn't know what his shoe like doesn't know what it was not right. I did not know that he had that in his game. Obviously he was on the team for the second half of last season. And it just goes to show the 14th or 15th guy in the NBA CAN bus show ask at any given time do you hear too much talking about oh man I'm but I could go get everybody man he went into a shit like you just asked let's let's not let's not get crazy. These dudes Sunday ended at the end of the roster. Even like we joked about even with Scout Scout would give people bucket like it's not it's not happening like you're not you're not doing anything against
Dave Clarke:surprise Bobby wasn't the one who brought up Matt Ryan to be honest with you I thought the first thing out of your mouth was gonna be like Doug game winner against the Bucks dude he's
Rayshawn Buchanan:was no shot by me you know? And he was
Dave Clarke:driving DoorDash a year ago he's got a great story. Yeah,
Rayshawn Buchanan:yeah, so I'm actually I'm glad you brought that up okay, so because
Rob Kelly:I knew this
Dave Clarke:guy if he gets up he gets it to me that I'm trying to get right
Rob Kelly:next year so when we get down to the finals and be as excited as possible, so it was when he actually breaks down and and dies into a puddle that like it takes a little longer you know what I mean? So we get this ratio on for longer next year.
Rayshawn Buchanan:I did okay the what the reaction is so with gates I thought
Unknown:you were good. You were
Dave Clarke:like I fucking knew it
Rayshawn Buchanan:oh, well you know do Z Do you can't call them big enough on that show to walk me through it I felt I felt okay after
Dave Clarke:a fuck those guys. I fucking the whole time in a second. You guys talked me into it the
Rob Kelly:first time. First time ratio I was like you know what? We got this JT trip dub he scores eight points and goes like,
Rayshawn Buchanan:ridiculous What the fuck? But I don't know if you're let's not let's not bring up old wounds or your child's future baby looks at the exact hoods looking to the future you're filming so, but no, but like I said, there's a lot of promises on this team. Now, because I think they're winddown both we're not going to see a lot of these guys this season. Now obviously, because of injury, whatever people are gonna get the opportunities, it was a blowout. Once again, I want to see those guys on the floor because that means that we're up 30 In the foot for it. And that means Hayden's on the bench chillin brows on the bench, rob our whatever. So we want to see these guys play because that means it's genotype baby like so I'm here for that. But no to the mat. Right? They could I want to touch on that. Because obviously Twitter's Miss saying it. You know, we you know, DK alluded darts and making making too many assumptions about somebody. And I think it was a tweet that went out of bites might have been from Jay King. Don't tell me somebody doesn't matter. When you see a do breakdown about getting this opportunity, was it a year ago? He's riding around riding around again. Yeah, it's fun. To see James Brown again, and he's right in the realm. Doing George Jetson Hey, you Wingstop is here. Yo, thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks for the order and now he's got least he's dropping game winners and Vegas like you you can't you can't make that sit out here madness it up so no don't tell me that it doesn't there doesn't matter like that. So he knows that most again every single one of us is on Twitter we're thrilled to have that moment whether it be what I audited on the day they don't do it or when or something we can do more but as I'm sure my agent must say that but was it was Rolando summer league Vegas summer league the California classic whatever. Like you were killed to have one of those bullets UAV kill to play overseas so it's like it's okay to give guys props to play well in the space like say I'm happy for Matt Ryan happy football garden. I still want to see again Madonna I don't think we're ever going to see him at this point because just coming over from Israel I just don't see that happening at this moment. But he has another six three car he really is the Israeli in Payton Pritchard. Also I know Bobby would be a guest that because he wants he just wants Payton Pritchard only on the team. But
Dave Clarke:Kobe. He would fucking turn around in two seconds for that guy. Payton Pritchard who he's all old news
Rayshawn Buchanan:give me away All right,
Rob Kelly:give me a six to shoot and white point guard all day long. Yeah.
Dave Clarke:To your point, though, Ray about the summerly what I do like about it do you guys watch hustle on Netflix? Do you guys watch the Adams haven't watched it? Yeah, no. Guys. Oh, yeah,
Rob Kelly:I know. I know. I
Dave Clarke:know. It's a it's a nail don't you? I know both you love it anyway, though. Oh, the thing that they do really well in it is like, you kind of have a ground floor point of view to like the kind of competition that these not I wouldn't call them superfluous but like these sort of build up games these these events like summer league, like like these, like behind closed doors, workouts like like these, you know, NBA verified stars behind closed doors game that we all think happens but we were not 100% sure where they are what who wins. Like, it gives you a nice perspective on that. And that's what I like about some relief to be honest with you. Because it's a it's a completely clean slate. But it's competitive. You know, and and you'd be able to tell if it wasn't, you know, if it was there's pre seasons and other sports, most other sports that have pre seasons that are not competitive, they're just not like that. Nobody really gives a shit. Most people are trying not to get injured before the season starts so they don't get cut before the deadline. I think summer league because you because people are watching because the games are competitive. A lot of these guys can emerge. You know what I mean? I think it's a real platform and with the depth of talent that the NBA has now I mean, even you know you're talking about Greg Monroe in 2010 the 50th best guy in the league in 2010 was nowhere close to as good as the 50th best guy in the league right now so like the depth of of the fucking dish fucking basketball players fallen off fucking trees right now we should we fall on our knees and thank our lucky stars How many guys there are because even that, you know, I've heard this point made on other podcasts but I agree with that wholeheartedly. Even the shitty teams are watchable next season. You know, you get past like you got you got hours of entertainment for the entire thing. So that trickles down and and or not even down I wouldn't even call it down. But that's you know, that trickles. And it's you look at Summer League and you're like, oh, fuck, I love what's going on here. These guys are all good basketball players, you know. And what that does is it elevates other people's games because you know, you guys know yourselves when you played sports. You played better when there was better kids on the floor. That's just like the way it is, you know, like you had your best games were at the highest level of competition. I guarantee it. You know, if you if you ever did it for any sort of length of time with any real sustained effort, the better the competition got, the better your teammates got, the better you got, you know, that's just the way You don't want to let him finish them yeah for sure if you know how if you know how to ball you know what a ball is and like I think your games get elevate and I think that's what we saw happen also what and I'll just a button on this what I love about the Celtics in summer league is we have a culture now we have a culture we have a game plan we have a way with it we play basketball and always there was like the Celtics culture always there was this sort of like this is who we are kind of thing is a franchise but our DNA and our identity because of how successful we were last season how established Ema is now as quickly as he's come in, Brad's solidified himself as a GM. We're in a position where you got to play Celtics basketball, if you want to get on the Celtics, like you said, right. We're in Wait, win now mode. So if you want to get a contract, I mean, I think there's some slots for the big men, but some of the guards you're talking about. It's like, man, that we're deep shade over deeper guard. With Gallinari coming in. We're deep, but we're deep at wings. So you got to play Celtics basketball, too. You can't just be like, Oh, that guy's good. Let's give him some fucking minutes. You know, because like, we suck, now. You got to be good, you got to be good. And you got to be good. You got to look like you can play in our system now. You know, so it makes it it makes it even more interesting when you watch the Summer League. In
Rayshawn Buchanan:fact, it's so speak speaking of you know, having to play a selfless bowl to be in our system, obviously, is we're taping this on July 30. And the trade player exception for every 48 expires on July 18, which is on Monday. So you know Bobby I'll start with you man who who was you know, obviously the 77 point 1 million was a lot of players that could have fit that that are off the table but there's still some that are available so you know what did they what did they end up getting? In your opinion who should they get in your opinion and that could add to the told you here and not taking anything away from so
Rob Kelly:the top cup top a couple guys that are on my list are no longer available? herder.
Dave Clarke:Y'all. You're Kevin herder. I can't hear ya he knows so annoying. When he went to the kings. I was pissed. Because like he's seven feet, but I think he could play the three. It's wild.
Rob Kelly:And listen, I don't mean to make it this. But like, Boston pecan loves white guys that can shoot and in Boston and Boston and they, they will fall in love with this dude,
Dave Clarke:it loves circus acts too. So right he's a circus act, they
Rob Kelly:can play, he's yell at me. But he has gay. You know what I mean? So like, come up, and the other one is kind of an in that kind of pisses me off because he's, he's horrible to bad on any and I don't love his game at all. And I Kakuma, he's the he's my other guy that I feel like he could fit in. He plays great defense. You know, he has his offensive struggles, but he can play defense. And I feel like you know what he he does that his negative on the offensive side of the court where you can kind of be a ball hog and he thinks he's much better than he is at three point shooter could be kind of negated on the Celtics where we have all these other options like we have
Dave Clarke:all these other guys that have that same trade
Rob Kelly:center but he'd fit right in what was known the other guy can think of his KCP I don't think they're gonna use it if I'm being perfectly honest. I don't think it's gonna get used because it just it seems like they keep they made those two moves right and right now what we're looking at is a big man. And is there any big man I kept looking who's the big man that you got? I'm sure you got one that fits in that teepee. I just can't find one.
Rayshawn Buchanan:So I have one but I'm let the kid go Go ahead.
Dave Clarke:I got I got a bunch of names you go first. Gotcha. So
Rayshawn Buchanan:for me he's actually out there with Dave is out of California. Already like she played Sacramento Rashaan homes
Unknown:for child side
Rayshawn Buchanan:okay, yeah, so that's the item so I should let you go for a sorry about it because I'm
Dave Clarke:no no I love it. I love that we're on the same page he's a one skill big man he can he can he can actually play in the post it's great yeah, he's
Rayshawn Buchanan:he's a he's an energy guy. That's what I'm I'm big on that. He's the energy guy under percent and he's got some of these I'm gonna get 2010 That's not his game. But can he get you tenant five you know when he may get 20 minutes? Absolutely. And he's he's expanding his game if you're so when he came into Philly, he wasn't really someone that can even shoot outside of maybe 15 feet but now he could do this and obviously every big major league now has to at least have some type of jump shot so yeah, energy Good defense. Like actually I remember meeting him when they came to Boston just this year and he was cool. And so the other guy I'm thinking about to was actually gonna see made is Harrison Barnes love hate those two guys I think about like I like what's on Harrison Barnes once again you guys know I feel about wings you can't have enough of them whether it's food or players you can't have enough Harrison Barnes to be really would be the ideal guy is identity. But you know I just to me it also I'm gonna tell you if the answer so I'm a little biased but yeah, those are the two gotta think about right away and and obviously, as some names come to mind I'll think about it some more but you know DK give give us your list.
Dave Clarke:No, I love that. I love the return shout out because I think he Great in a very Bob Kelly way I think he'd be great for Rob Williams. I think those guys work out great together I think he'd be great for Him to fill in for certain minutes like I said, we were talking about the summer league I think he needs he needs someone to carry some minutes for him I mean that's just that's just a fact. I love the guy but like man, we got to accept reality here. Yeah, I love that you call that out? I think he's going to waste away in obscurity and Sacramento for a while if we if you know he doesn't move to a bigger market. I think he's a really good player. He's really underrated like you said, and I think that great footwork I believe if I could take his offensive game and just plop it into Rob Williams like I would I would do that no problem because I can see a huge upside
Rayshawn Buchanan:he'd be all star next Yeah, one second so
Dave Clarke:like between the two of them like I just feel like they puzzle piece really well together but that might be pie in the sky. I have some other options. Lori marketing from Cleveland both I
Rob Kelly:was about to bring him up yeah, he's literally about to bring me he's he's
Unknown:he's under he's
Dave Clarke:he's he's I can I'm looking at me for trying to pretty good kept yelling at me in the discord and trying to use too much money or the trade exception. So I did check these numbers. He's under
Rob Kelly:trying to build them and yeah,
Dave Clarke:I was like can we get this guy Ray was like he's on 30 million a year. Like I was like, Can you combine trade exception
Rob Kelly:Joellen Jolla and beat Yeah,
Rayshawn Buchanan:right yeah, definitely.
Dave Clarke:We're reading that and we're writing that in Laurie market and I think would be great. Another seven footer is fucking weird. He's weird. He could shoot he could shoot and like we talked about he's like he's got a very similar weirdly similar herder profile for the kind of stuff that he actually brings to your team. He's someone like herder like we talked about and like unlike Sean, who I think would be a kind of a fill in some stuff for some guys we already have he brings some shit to the table we do not have at all and I think if you look at what we've been doing in summer league if you look at the kind of at the the Brogden trade and the Gallinari trade if you look at the way that eBay has been constructing this team overall they and I love that they're doing this I honestly I think this is the way you should you should construct a basketball team and Cena for years. They want to have every look they want to be able to put to put out a team that can have every look on the basketball court so if this isn't working this will work it's the reason why this zone didn't focus up his bat against Miami this year. Still fucked us up a little bit we have more looks we had more things we could do and we're even still a little shallow last last playoffs I think we can all admit you get you get a guy like marketing and I think that gives you just another look fuck it another look like what does it look like on the in the two in the two big man rotation with him in there with Rob like let's see what it looks like. Let's you know let's let's play with it. Another one and this is a guy that I honorable mention Kelly ality baby like, you know, I think I think he would be just like a nice upgrade. You know, I think like, yeah, you know, for the for that position for those minutes. You know, I think you would use those minutes with a little bit more quality. I think you could actually see him in the playoffs, making a contribution. However, like it's, you know, it's that like kind of awkward, gangly, forward thing that we were doing a few years ago, that was kind of pissing me off. I know, a great shout by you right for the trade exception. We haven't talked about the shows Jae Crowder. I think we could take him back for like 10 million. I think that'd be another good look. Like you said we can never have enough wings. I never loved his movement, but he's a good shooter. So like, we need that. And we do really do need a spot up jump shooter, which is a conversation for another day.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Right. So I got into an argument or discussion to someone with someone on Twitter today about a couple more guys that I want to see what y'all think about this. So what about Dwight Howard Derrick favors?
Rob Kelly:We literally made the exact
Dave Clarke:getting an old getting an old big man has worked out for us in the past, I'll admit.
Rayshawn Buchanan:No, but I'm glad I'm glad both gave that because Okay, Dwight, I can see why we had the up. But favorite papers. I'm
Rob Kelly:okay favorites. I'm okay.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Favorites. If you're not looking for him to be when he wasn't Utah. He was looking for that guy. Because he was getting 16 in attendance. You're not looking for that. I mean, great. Granted, if he became that, hey, beautiful. We're back in the finals. And I'm holding the rope with the confetti falling possibly. Who knows? But yeah, to me, that's that would be a better fit, or he would be a better fit than than the white but I can understand why people wouldn't want either. Go ahead, Bobby.
Rob Kelly:Here's what I'd be okay. With favors it would be he's been humbled. Okay. Derrick favors has been through the ringer of the NBA, where he came in as the third pick. Who started right. Yeah, yeah. came in as the third pick. And he was considered a boss for a few years. You know what I mean? He
Dave Clarke:was good. Was he in the year of 2k, though, when you had to play like the rookies versus the song was it you just couldn't do anything against it?
Rob Kelly:But he went from that to a boss to a role player. Then he went back to a starter and then he became a valuable role player again, and I feel like a guy like that nose is his identity in the NBA and I feel like that's so important in today's NBA, so I actually love the favors call. So with the TP do we have to match the salary as well? or is it just it's
Dave Clarke:yeah, you trade for your salary, but your Tiki
Rayshawn Buchanan:doesn't have to match. So as long as it falls under new 17.1 Bigger, good. So if it's like 16.999 Like you're good because under
Rob Kelly:and there's no minimum right to be a guy that has like, a two mil like that's where I was always
Dave Clarke:there there it could be a guy has like a tumor but we have two other TPS that are maxed out at like six five incisions so there'll be
Rayshawn Buchanan:well they're probably I feel like they're probably not either we'll get those are those they still have those but they don't expire until February like February so that might get us in a smaller deal just in case something doesn't work. Trade the CPE or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So that that may not work so I just think that it it did get created once they send out salary I believe
Rob Kelly:so. Okay, so in that case, I haven't name one more. I'm sorry. Protons, protons. David protons was I know
Rayshawn Buchanan:after last year I know I was two years ago but what you were after last year I don't know. I don't know
Rob Kelly:he was better he was better with Dallas so where he was so much better with Dallas and then he had been with Washington that last year to that last half half the season where he stopped playing
Rayshawn Buchanan:playable Luca. Luca,
Rob Kelly:he's lorry marking in 2.0 You know what I mean? That's where it comes down to I'd say I'd say marketing Oh 100% marketing definitely Mark Mark in a good spot start for you that's the good thing with marketing is like he actually can spark spots start and you're not losing too much was marking and starting for you
Rayshawn Buchanan:so Yeah, cuz you know what, because I might no good I didn't really think about that before David brought it up. So this I'll put it like this, I think was marketing right I still here's the reason why he would do really well here in my opinion is played learning from Al Horford who basically pocket it could be at least have to pass it out when I was a pastor from the moment he got to the NBA but just from the other facets of the game, how to take a good body you know how to how to how to lead whether it's pi Lee or you know, be involved with it in the locker room market. His growth as a player as a leader would probably grow times to maybe even type story play next to out or behind out or even outside of you had him in a lot of where you got Horford and him out there because Rob maybe do their foul trouble. He's not playing for whatever games but his rest or whatever. Like to have those guys you could play five outs. It basically now you could have Caleb dive to the room. Brown dive to the room. It guys have to collapse. Did you kick out to the corner with a quarter three? That was wide open? ballgame? Yeah, we either say they have terminal all time. That's bull it as bowl game. It is that is it's a wrap. It's a wrap. So that's what I'm thinking about. But most of the game that has to happen every play it cannot fit that have been talked about as a market of fish that Harrison borns that stat comparison, we need
Dave Clarke:Deb's at that if we're gonna if we're going to run like that deleting deaths, because like not every guy, not every guy below the fifth guy is going to be on every night to be able to hit those shots when they when they get those. And so
Rayshawn Buchanan:do your six men that was broadland. Right? Which is
Dave Clarke:I don't I mean, that's a whole different conversation. But I feel like
Rayshawn Buchanan:no, but no. I mean, no, that's that's what's being put out there. Right. So propaganda. Sure. But I mean, he went, oh, we'll just talk which I mean, wasn't good at that's not that's not a that's a major platform. It talked about Brian, he said, but he didn't have to say that Brett called as Asian to him said, Hey, we want you to embrace that. He didn't have to say that. So the fact that you know, he went out there and actually put that all wax up and said, Yo, this is what they're looking for us to do. Like that's dope.
Dave Clarke:He's such a crunch time guy though.
Rob Kelly:Yeah, but it doesn't mean he can't play crunch time. You got to
Rayshawn Buchanan:get started time started as high as but it's not something where we also talked about his minutes being limited because he's also injury prone. So I don't want him play at 35 minutes a night. I'm sorry. I don't. I'd tell you. I'm telling you that right now. You're gonna have to in the playoffs? No, of course. I'm saying but to get there. If he's rolling, of course. Let him cook. But at this certain election, you can get him 25 minutes a night. Yo, cool. So now you did your job
Dave Clarke:in the ice bath now because
Rayshawn Buchanan:how do you get guys that exactly. But of course if you want the ending live to be smart, do Tatum Jayson Tatum, brown and Iraq of course, but it's gonna be nice when you need Ali robotic because it's
Rob Kelly:that five I love that fight. It was great. It's beautiful because they're making them so Brogdon changeable and this is such a quick pivot. I love it. This is what I look for. This is what I look for it but yeah, exactly. Exactly. No matter who that gets thrown at the Celtics. They have a lineup for him. You know what I mean? I saw I saw something today that said the Celtics are really excited for their small ball prospects. And we could even see Gallinari at the five a few times next year. And just try and run out try and run out so definitely I know where all five can just bang on you from three at all time and that excites me so much
Dave Clarke:I love the idea and that's the first time I've even heard that I love that idea because Celtics fans I don't know how much of a only watch the Celtics fan base you are but if you're looking for Gallinari to come in and do the same kind of defensive shit that you see other players in the team duty you're looking for him to do this. Running Running is not what he does. Okay, he doesn't what he's super crafty. He winds up in spots that are like crazy open that you don't really know how he got there. He moves around the courts super well. Hemet the five is fucking lethal. It's lethal if you're not getting like absolutely fucking destroying the pain if you're running it right.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Right but especially with the picket pop, right?
Unknown:That's what I mean. Yeah, so
Rayshawn Buchanan:that So honestly, you know, you know who's gonna benefit from playing with him is actually Marcus smart. I thought you're gonna say Jaylen Brown. What? Maybe God say Bob just because I'm a gentleman.
Rob Kelly:He can dribble but
Dave Clarke:he's got spots is the thing. He's got spots.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Jaylen Brown will get more and more shots at the rim. I believe that but I'd say for just from a playmaker standpoint, I think what's more jobs sports best pass is when he drives and he kicks it back out here to three but he's mastered that so I think see Gallo at the three when they're out there together and yeah, he just shoot for 30 But we've seen it was phased out against us if you're looking to sell just look back at the tape a couple years ago you may have nine threes on us in Atlanta
Dave Clarke:that's my whole point with these pickups right is that like the kind of looks that yeah, we can like Bobby just said we can take looks they get thrown at us. The fucking looks we can throw it other people is I'm like I forget if it was Brogden or Gallinari in the presser shout out to Jared Weiss good questions, by the way with a friend of that friend of the pod hurt his hurt his good, good questions getting through the two of them. One of them was like I mean, I think it was probably that he was like, I'm like the third or fourth guy like offensive option like your foot is like you got to deal with Jayson Tatum. And then you got I mean, I'm paraphrasing. That's how Dave Clarke would say it. I don't know how Brogden said. He's like you got your first you got to worry about Jaylen fugu and J Jayson Tatum then you gotta worry about Jaylen Brown. Then you got to worry about this guy then you got to worry about this guy and you're worried about this guy. It's like gone alright, he's just gonna pick his fucking spots in an ideal world I'm very excited to watch these two guys come in and contribute I really am
Rob Kelly:it's a lot like what we thought the Celtics with Kyrie and Hayward were gonna be where we just had such a plethora of wealth except it sets right but except these guys know their roles and there's there's there's there's there's clear like tears of like where you're at and like they're coming here to win a ship and fit into the culture rather than trying to build around like a superstar it's very exciting. Very we gave we gave up nothing for him to listen. So expense. I don't think you guys get a gallery kind of got overshadowed by Brogden a lot after we got him. Gallery is such a good pickup for this team. We lost. We lost that finals because we having no we had no wind up. Tatum was gassed, Brown was gassed, they're playing 43 minutes a game. Yep, Gallo can come in and give you listen, there's gonna be a game next year regardless scores 30 points, I can guarantee you that he's that kind of score, he can drop that kind of that kind of points on you.
Rayshawn Buchanan:The dude is average 40% from three to last four years. But
Dave Clarke:we didn't have anybody like that on the bed. Yeah,
Rayshawn Buchanan:not not at all. So let's say that it wasn't getting sick. Usually we have as far as thoughtspot Start as as well. So once again, that I said the biggest need overall was debt. And I as Dave just touched on this, I'm glad you brought it up, because we just said we entered this. You know, there. You know, I love what I heard the press conference. And now that's why I want to speak about that. I love what I heard, you know from that. So you know, you know, Dave, what was your biggest takeaway? I know you just gave one takeaway, but we were heading any other takeaways you have from what you heard at the press conference? Because like that, to me, it was it was spot on what I what I heard from both of them the other day. Yeah, I
Rob Kelly:loved it.
Dave Clarke:I mean, you watch these press conferences, you have to kind of wade through a lot of media training athletes speak, you know, like, there is a lot of like, stay on message. This is the mission statement. You know, Big Daddy Brad was there to like, kind of buffer them to the to the reporters, which was good, but I mean, it's not as if they were throwing these like, very difficult questions at them. But in saying that I especially liked Colin Ari's answers to a lot of the questions. I feel like he was he was Jared I think is actually it was in between when a Jared questions maybe somebody asked him, you know, there's reports you could have gone somewhere else from them and you chose to come here. Like why? And that's yeah, you're getting lobbed that question like No, no ifs, ands or buts. But he knocked it out of the park. He was like, I mean, I came here to win. You know, I came here to win a championship. Look how successful they were. And I just feel like I slot right it. You know, I feel like Brogden Brad Steve means I think did a really good job by the way, I think I like see him it was amazing. Yeah, I think he says, you know a little bit too much. You know if he was on a podcast, we might give him that note, but if he's not, he's running a fucking basketball team so you can say whatever he wants. I thought he did great. I thought he I thought he shielded the players really well. I think he I like, I like when Brad Stevens talks about basketball. I think that's the mind of a man that knows the game, inside and out. And that's just the case. Brogdon had a great little speech. I don't know if you heard it, like kind of start middle of the podcast where he was like, I'm in my prime right now. He's like, I experienced success at the top level when I was first in Milwaukee. And then I did. He basically alluded to having the best thing that can happen to an athlete happen, where he hit a low point, you know, he experienced the highest highs and what he probably has in relative terms experienced now the lowest lows, and he's like, this, this timing is perfect for me. He's like this is I'm about to fucking go off. Like I felt the kind of crackling energy beneath what he was saying. That made me feel like he was very excited to get to the season. And I love that from him. Because if you can't tell, I'm very excited to the season and you guys are very excited to get to see because we are making fucking moves with these guys they get look they're on message they have the right stuff to say the kind of message and staying on the same page stuff that the Celtics have, it's so much better at over the last I would call it seven months like from now back to before the shift change.
Rob Kelly:It went from an F to an A literally in like a matter of, you know, you give him a
Dave Clarke:credit for that we've wax lyrical about how good of a man manager and in a chemistry coach, he was over that course of the second half of the season in the playoffs. But the point being when you go in, when you go and get a guy to come into the team, we learned this lesson the hard way, Kyrie Irving. Talent is one thing and obviously that matters what you can do on the basketball court. Obviously, that's the that's the case. But they're dealing with a very delicate balance of Chemistry at this point. You know, you have young superstars, you have good old head veterans, but you don't want to just pop somebody in there that's going to fuck everything up. It's possible. We've seen it happen before. I mean, I was saying I really want to Malik Beasley you know, before he went in that gallery trade I was like, I think it'd be perfect. And I know he points guns up people Agreed. Agreed and we could have gotten him with the TPE even like you were actually pointing guns at people.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah. You got to do just buckets. So
Dave Clarke:he's walking bucket. Buckets. I don't know guys fucking drive home anyway. I know it's mean
Rayshawn Buchanan:but like, Hey, I'd love the real estate page which you
Dave Clarke:people make mistakes and I give Yeah, I give people second chances that don't go get me fucking 14 at night so whatever.
Rob Kelly:It runs a bleep bleed green
Dave Clarke:bucket magnanimous What can I say? But you know, that's not a risk here. That's not a risk. We got guys that are singing off the same hymn sheet you know, they're they're in tune with the band. They've got the beat. And I just I it's it's it's lining up real real well and you know Bobby saying this is like the what we thought the Kyrie and Gordon year was like It's like this actually is how I felt so
Rob Kelly:different though because because what we're doing now is exactly what David was saying the other night where the the name on the front is more important than the name on the back. They're going Team USA starting to build and it's it's it's they're going to build a statue 100 But if you wait if everyone's a ship they're gonna build them a shrine
Dave Clarke:doesn't even need to win a ship dude, he's just like I love it here I believe Portland like let's
Rob Kelly:like word I mean they made a show about how chill that place is. Anyways, so they they were so right now what's happening in basketball with the player empowerment? You know what I mean? Everyone's making their own moves this and that. The Celtics are doing something different where they're not they're not trying I don't think they would ever go get Kevin Durant like That's why I always thought those conversations were just stupid and like, you know, it gets it's great to fantasize about would be amazing for us. I'm gonna see the Celtics are not about to give someone like KD who has that veteran presence who has that weak respect who has all that the wheels the keys to the fucking house? You know what I mean? That's just not who they are. Right now their culture based franchise they're trying to model with after the heat with that heat culture. They're trying to have Celtic culture or the letters right or the Spurs spurs Yeah, I guess it is first Yeah. So this was a good example for spurs is more at directly relatable example. But you know what I got going is my brain. No, I love it. That's exactly what we're doing though is it's going towards that kind of culture atmosphere rather than the player empowerment atmosphere, which is I'm all for man because the Like your empowerment thing just pisses me off and I think it ruins franchises so I'm so happy we're not giving into that we never have it started with Danny where he never went and traded for the Jimmy Butler's and ever went and traded for you know these superstars he kept his guys we should shit on them for it for seven years. But here we are man. You know what I mean? Here
Dave Clarke:we are. I was always team Danny never did. I was always team Danny.
Rob Kelly:I go I want to Jimmy Jimmy Butler for that. Yeah. I want to Jimmy Butler for that Jaylen back.
Rayshawn Buchanan:I didn't care. I didn't care that I'm like, I like you're not telling me a number three picks coming in better than Jimmy Butler right now. And I
Dave Clarke:was really happy. I was really happy with the Jaylen Brown pick. I really liked McHale
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, cool, but that's me once again that that's the that's the that's a great wine to say. But as
Rob Kelly:DK representing a sixth of Celtics, Twitter, sure. But
Rayshawn Buchanan:at that time, I was saying I was pissed.
Dave Clarke:I knew that my heels were gonna be good before they even left deliver bundle.
Rob Kelly:Of course you do. It's just you know what I mean? It's just a direction that they're going in. That's so it's so refreshing. And today's MBAs atmosphere. It's so refreshing. Just for me to as a sports fan, because most of the teams I follow, like we talked about earlier today are just going in a shitty direction that I can't support and can't really defend. Right but everything the Celtics are doing right now. There's just so right and it's amazing.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, no, that's that's that's that's very nice. And I'm excited to see what they do. I mean, I wanted to add this last point that we'll touch on regress to NBA free agency but man to see Brogdon and Gallo talk about what they talked about. And they you see a video right after bragging about that shooting threes on the practice four. I said, Oh, he's he's four he is locked in. So I know. I know. They joke about propaganda. I've asked the brothers like, Yo, this is my motherfucking time like this guy. He is he's on that day. And he's like, okay, my time is right now. Like I'm not letting this moment slip like what exactly I'm here for
Rob Kelly:I'm here for he has such a big opportunity ahead of him because you remember man when he left no walkie he was the big free agent of that offseason you remember that? He was like the big guy. He was the first one to go. He went to Indiana. And it was like, I
Rayshawn Buchanan:wonder I wonder how it would have looked had. We had got him between 18 as opposed to timber. And that's not it's not fair to come up. Because honestly,
Dave Clarke:it's it would have been fair to Brogden to be honest with you.
Rayshawn Buchanan:We know Bradley trimmer to replace carry some of them that would have been defensively minded. He wouldn't he would have been because you would have had him starting right. Because smart was still coming off the bench. Starting. It would have been Brogden. JB
Rob Kelly:it might have been better because Brocton Jahangir I think I think it wouldn't matter because he's young. You know what I mean? Like, a vet probably went on to the point guard, spotless curse, no vet was going to be able to come into that point guard and run that. That group. Yeah, would it be
Rayshawn Buchanan:good to go
Dave Clarke:Brogdon went through what he went through, you know, health wise, I feel like those injuries were gonna happen. And I feel like whoever came into that, like, we put so much pressure on him, like so much he came in and we were like, you gotta you gotta be as good as kyriba Be nice. Also, like, that's what everybody was basically saying.
Rayshawn Buchanan:That first season like that first year was awesome. It was awesome.
Dave Clarke:But like you but to put those same expectations on 2019, Malcolm Brogdon as opposed to raring to go champing at the bit ready to come out of the fucking gate ready to get his fucking like redemption story back in the East back at the top of the East like all this storyline all this stuff that's firing him up like you said like, he looks like he's a fucking racehorse about to like come out of the funnel. He's about to shoot out of the fucking tunnel for us. Yeah,
Rayshawn Buchanan:as I said before we get to the other stuff but I was I was watching his highlights too like that. I said once again he's almost 40% through to like say he's a legit candidate for 5040 90 He
Dave Clarke:can also he can also Loki make his own shot Yeah, he and
Rayshawn Buchanan:he's never ended this the big thing I know you guys are all going to be excited when I say this next part. Never get sped up ever.
Dave Clarke:He's so calm. He's stoked.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, it's Yeah, because I'm gonna call Kyle Henderson slow but I'm sorry I'm calling him slow mo for the Celtics like when we get when we started doing the shows for the October we started doing ourselves again for the for the regular season like he had definitely slow mo and I might eat to me like said he never sped up and he consistently made
Rob Kelly:so amazingly
Rayshawn Buchanan:we've already used the word trickle down you know we're not even know when that's our brigade dominance was talking about go basketball
Rob Kelly:justice not exactly
Rayshawn Buchanan:exactly. Well, he's gonna be he's gonna make shots economic for Boston. There you go. We that's how we that's how we flipped that.
Dave Clarke:So you know we fucking suck that so bad in the playoffs? We're going to find those using the football. Yeah, we fucking suck. Using all 24 seconds when we had to Yeah, and here are the situations where we needed to use all 24 seconds to kill the clock Celtics were the worst fucking iteration of the playoffs team that we had last year. Everybody knows that. Malcolm Brogdon I mean, just if you know if you don't really know his game, you're listening to this. I'm not saying he's as good at this. But stylistically, I don't know if you remember. Rajon Rondo? You know just like also a man that could not get sped out heat when he just sat there every different games like very different games like obviously noggin, Robin. I feel like he I feel he's gonna dribble more. I feel like he's gonna move a little bit more. I feel like he watches the court a little bit better. But you're absolutely right about him. I can split up like, do we were we doing Sunday night sports when I had my whole like Rajon Rondo's Brady for assists? Like, like, just so mad and Roger? Ah, no, because it's, it's like, dude, make make the first pass you don't have to make the last pass every single fucking time. What I like about the Brogdon is he actually has that he has that hockey assist thing and him to you know where he can like he can make a little space. He can be the guy who passes the ball everyone knows that passes the ball to the guy who passes the ball to a guy who scores right. And I feel like to be like, Joe I guess my point is don't be alarmed by some of his box scores on some nights because he's a guy who can move into space be and be in the place he's got off the ball to you know he's you can move around a little bit off the ball and like you said, he's gonna be he's gonna lose 40% And I think that that shooting percentage is only going to benefit from the fact that he's gonna have more space because he's around better guys.
Rob Kelly:As you said the slowdown thing is so key. Because if you remember game six game seven or Gibbs I wish some game five game six. Yeah, I remember the most frustrating part was their inability to in big possessions take a step back and realize that this is a big fucking possession and you need to concentrate and do your shit run a play do something they would just stop doing what they were supposed to do speed up the offense get frantic Marcus and make the pass out of bounds and you're like God and Brogdon is gonna solve that and it's
Rayshawn Buchanan:also to what I want to get back to saying we're gonna move on to the NBA free agency really you know it was okay it's fine this is a good combo runs I think I think also exactly it doesn't really doesn't gonna be
Dave Clarke:the Malcolm Brogdon hour here on this
Rayshawn Buchanan:day Exactly. We get three hosts for the evening No but I think that another thing is tied to him not being sped up so remember when breast he was was the head coach all he was talking about was you know guys know we got to hit single hit single shot I don't want what I think Brian is also gonna butcher tip while Saturday beat and I split up what you're up 10 to 12 and a team goes on a quick flurry because it's the NBA that's going to happen it's not something where he's going to keep jacking up threes he's going to get to the line slower down get a couple of even if you miss but people have people just to breathe chill out you know but it's it's cold it slows down the pace because obviously they would get frantic it would go crazy. So I think just getting getting getting to points still matters in the NBA guys. The fact that oh you know it's the reason layups Daryl Morey ruin that even though Daryl Morey used to be here in Boston years ago under the age but it's not just through his layups. You have rockets. Yeah, Dad rock. Yep, you have to be able to score from everywhere on the floor. I that, you know, I personally can't use this phrase. I'm gonna steal it from him. So sorry about this. I'm going to down to help. You have to do this for people say oh, no, get through that. No, you have to score from three. You got to score from mid range. You got to score from obviously inside the inside of the paint. So the more effective you want from every three levels, you're good.
Dave Clarke:You have to know when it's time to score those fucking two point buckets because I feel like a lot of what we're seeing in the playoffs last year and especially in the Finals was just get some twos get some easy looks don't get in there and then you know, it was fucking saying that a lot. Email. Yeah, you know where we were we always do it. Not so much. No, I think an already quit. Yeah, exact Well, yeah. Yeah. No, they boy. Yeah. I'll guy like, Brogden I feel like Yeah, so I feel like we're pretty good. If we get an offensive rebound. And we're, we're, we get a look where it's you should put it up right away.
Rayshawn Buchanan:You gotta you gotta do have to run.
Dave Clarke:Yeah, exactly. You get an offensive rebound, and you get it right away, and you get an open look, go. No, I think Brogdon if the offensive rebound comes down, and it gets in his hands within that for within the first four seconds that of that 14 second clock. I want that more than it being in Marcus Martins in that exact situation, if that makes sense. So like, I don't have the I don't have the advanced neck metrics on what both of these but those guys look like in that situation would on the eye test with a 14 second clock and an offensive rebound or you know, so if we start if we're put for play breaks down, for example, right, and you're in that kind of 10 to 10 to seven second rage. That's Malcolm Brogdon o'clock is my prediction and that's the Okay, relax. Seven seconds is longer than you think. You know, we didn't have that quality last year. And I think I think that's I think you hit them On the head I think that's exactly what we bring to the table.
Rob Kelly:Yeah, Mike, let's just put Mike is gonna love Malcolm Brogdon he's gonna hate how he watches basketball and how Malcolm Brogdon operates he's got that they're gonna match perfectly like give give Mike all the Brogden stock because he's he's gonna fall in love I guarantee smart
Dave Clarke:is the thing Brogdon smart you know he's got a high basketball IQ and I think as much as I love our guys, I think that there was a little bit of a there was some lapses in that department and big moments in the finals I mean, I'm not here to shit on them because they made it to the finals and I think they did it really well but if you want to go back and you want to make another playoff run and you want to get to the finals again you're gonna have to go through the Milwaukee Bucks again and they're gonna probably have Chris mills and healthy so if you don't add some depth and you don't add some new looks especially at the way you're not gonna get past them so I'm glad that we upgraded because we had to to beat still be competitive if you're out there going well I don't know. I mean, we look we looked fine. Lat you know, when we made the playoffs we got had some unlucky plays Steph Curry was on a mission fuck that was like everybody's getting better. Everybody's getting better, whatever so get better you know always get better and look that's where we're at. And I'm we're doing it you know, I really do hope we use that trade exception to just feel like a little
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, no, they definitely need to like that's not like I can see you don't use a 6.5 million but you got to use that 17 Even if it's not all 10 years old 17 Gotta go somewhere. Yeah, exactly.
Rob Kelly:Well before we get to NBA free agency for the fifth time so what is the deal look like though? That's what I'm curious about is how do we move that has salary that won't that I don't want to take away from that rotation don't want to take away
Rayshawn Buchanan:you don't you don't have to necessarily move a player what happens is even though you're able to take it that player it adds to the to the salary cap so it pushes them closer to the luxury tax if they don't you know return the player but they can still take their money without without going over. Now if they move a pic the only player that can see me move back into the deal is really either Pritchard or Grant Williams. I don't think Hayden was going to I think they like with Derrick White does I know that he's hired quote on the show. I've been the biggest supporter of Terry White I'm gonna say I like I like Derrick white. I like him more than I know but no, but no, I went to the party with that you guys hit like I was I was late to the party with jumping on the bandwagon completely. Which all y'all was late to do. Why? I was like this guy's gonna win something.
Dave Clarke:Totally. I agree you were the first one in that line. I was a little bit mad because I like J Richard a lot within the whole deal with them but I didn't either.
Rayshawn Buchanan:So he's also someone who just
Unknown:I could I would take him back and get back right out in
Rayshawn Buchanan:a heartbeat get fed loves him here like for the heartbeat so but that's probably also not gonna happen, but I think it can happen because it's already been a year,
Rob Kelly:but he's not gonna leave Dallas so because he's actually got it. He's a San Antonio but he's got like a primed a primed roll there. You know what I mean? Like he's a focal fire.
Dave Clarke:But he was almost like Mr. Celtic dude, like me it is a couple years away.
Rayshawn Buchanan:He became a fair favorite pretty quickly. I'm not gonna lie, but I mean, didn't get out but I get it sent to Tonio. I know Lonnie Walker's gone now counted Joss is really good I once again that's a pipe dream. I know they're not gonna trade here. Tony Johnson here would be really good. I'm just saying but I don't want to I want to get people excited. But he's another guy obviously you know you're still waiting on Romeo sundown there so yeah, maybe he does become a better leader down there but Jaco Pardo is also someone that's been brought up or something and somebody trade but he only has one year left want to do so. They've made that do that. But
Rob Kelly:can I give you one more? One more Sure. Sure. guy who's been in big playoff metal I think is the rank Jordan Clarkson. I know it's another guard. We don't need many guards. But he's a position list guard. He's a big guard. You may be fit him in and a small ball three.
Dave Clarke:He wouldn't see you and see when the playoffs
Rayshawn Buchanan:but you know, I can see decaying. Going on several rants about your departure.
Rob Kelly:Oh, yeah. DK would hate Jordan Clark. Yeah. I don't like it. Yeah. But he gets he he's a he's been a moment
Rayshawn Buchanan:to score with the best of them like he's uh, but the problem is he's a lesser Jr. Smith. That's the prime Pro. Jared Smith.
Rob Kelly:I don't want him
Rayshawn Buchanan:i can i can be dead wrong about how I purchased him. I see. It was a lesser version of Derek Smith. Less athletic. Obviously. We've seen it with Jared Smith got hot in the playoffs. That was something different. I asked Atlanta they know that Atlanta knows gonna say no light when Jasper Jasper they've been in many many big moments in New York, Denver all that so Jimmy Carter Sydney's not as good as what Jared Smith was and he was prime so Kenny score absolutely but to me, let let him stay over there and get it all these points and being a six man over there. And Utah. We have we have our sixth event
Dave Clarke:in this whole fucking conversation about Bill and culture and Hey guys, I can fit this my
Rob Kelly:jar in cars Jordan Clarkson I brought the conference. I don't
Rayshawn Buchanan:think he's a bad teammate. I don't think he's someone that you don't say
Dave Clarke:he's a bad I'm not saying he's a bad teammate he just doesn't fit the profile you know?
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah no, no not not at all I mean then again some some people may fall in line because they know it's a championship team but who knows but let's let's finally get into the rest of the NBA so we've kind of been dipping dipping in and out of that but so yeah, we've had a lot of trades we've had a lot of lot of lot of crazy money going around so you know, Bobby I'll start with you. You know what what was the most surprising or just the craziest side have you seen um, and just you know we have we'll start with that in the beginning so
Rob Kelly:we're gonna we're gonna say has not even the signing. It's a trade it's it's go bear going to Minnesota for just absurd amount of pigs man and good ballplayers do they got they got so much back in that deal? For a dutifully Beasley? Yeah, who, for someone who's who's definitely on the downtrend? In my opinion. I know he was almost, you know, he campaigned for D poi last year. But let's go. A go bear. He. He hasn't been he has he won a playoff series his entire career won. I don't think he's
Dave Clarke:ever been out of the first round.
Rayshawn Buchanan:I don't know. He's been in since me yesterday. He got drafted in 2013.
Rob Kelly:She had they, they they made
Rayshawn Buchanan:a run. Yeah. Because we're going to have it was there a secret for us? Oh, they've been they've been in Utah is the Green Bay Packers of the NBA. They're gonna consistently get to the playoffs, but then they leave at the bar.
Rob Kelly:Right and Go bears no showing and being able to be played off the court was a big part of that the last two three years and the Minnesota Timberwolves just just tied a bandwagon. I think they gave up what five years of draft
Dave Clarke:picks, five draft picks, first round draft picks and it avatrade swap in there are a pic swap in there. I mean, at one point, Emily Beasley I mean, Jared Vanderbilt,
Rob Kelly:and it's not what blows my mind the most about this deal is the Timberwolves the Timberwolves guys, you're not you're not the Celtics. You're not though the Lakers you're not the heat. You're not a team who's got to be picking in the late 20s It's possible that this entire thing blows up, right? Cat wants out. They have to trade go bear again and all of a sudden three of those five top first round picks unprotected our top 10 picks that's it's such an insane amount of capital to give up for versus someone that that literally gets played off in crunch time on you he gets played off the court. You know, I love go bare what he does on defense, but you got to have a little offensive game and he has nothing
Rayshawn Buchanan:and you can rest assure JD ain't just banking on that. Oh,
Rob Kelly:bro, Daddy Daddy
Dave Clarke:is a genius
Rayshawn Buchanan:to multiple teams that would have won he could have traded to New York. He could he could he could have did any day but he said you know what? Let me go to a team that I know it's funny how it's always Minnesota for him right?
Rob Kelly:It's always Minnesota. So it's
Rayshawn Buchanan:always Minnesota USA. So he Freestone once it's good he goes there. And I'm just like, it's like wow, that that is a I mean a rod when Taylor says I'll do that now but I'm like a rotted up Lobos alone the medical owners young guys got finessed and it made it so that I love Anthony Edwards though that's my guy I agree he is that guy's star and the baby said killer but yeah so
Rob Kelly:what's what's what's so funny is like the Timberwolves of all teams are the ones who are like I love all the three point love all the small ball I love the way the NBA is going we're not doing it we're going the other way we're the smart ones we're going to begs baby let's go it's like guys what what what do you do it? What what are you there? Go
Dave Clarke:here's the thing. I'll go I'll go on record I'll go on record right here. I mean, we're will always have this recording they just crippled their fucking French correcting the critic crippled their franchise for the next 10 years. At the end of the day, if you give up that much there should be if there's a if there's a GM handbook on the very first page of the GM handbook, it should say it should be called Page One should be called the Rudy go bear trade. Okay, and it should be if you're gonna give up X you have your it doesn't matter what you get in return. Your team has to become why if you're gonna give up all the shit that they just gave up, you better become a top three team. You better become a top three team in your in your conference like a like in the west. It boggles the fucking mind. Like it absolutely boggles the fucking time.
Rob Kelly:Maybe, maybe, dude, maybe, maybe maybe
Dave Clarke:you know what I mean? Like Karl Anthony Towns. I'm sorry. He's not a proven commodity mentally. I you know, I think he's a talented player but I luxury brother true brother says your bit your pitch to me so like I don't know. I don't know if you have it Rudy go bear that guy who like basically was the poster boy for like the NBA shutting down because of fucking COVID Like there's just that fucking loop over and over of him being in the fucking microphone like an idiot. Like they were playing that in fucking China being like, look how fucking stupid Americans are they're all gonna die the Coronavirus and they were fucking right. At the end of the day. You don't really go bear doesn't make you a top three team. He just doesn't. I mean, I think he's a good player. Like you said he does great things on defense. Any age is a fucking genius. He's a genius. I love them. I love that. Like, this is the best. This is the best trade for a team I've seen since we got all those Brooklyn picks.
Rob Kelly:Great. Yeah, I mean, that's but at least that Brooklyn deal made that made the nets almost a favor going into that. Remember, they were like, Oh, the nets the nets are gonna drown Liam kg. They have peers now they had
Dave Clarke:from their owners or owner was like I don't give a shit about paying luxury tax.
Rayshawn Buchanan:They'd be hitting the 97 Houston Rockets,
Dave Clarke:right. It boosted them. Yeah, for sure. This deal.
Rob Kelly:They're not even they're not even in the conversation. Listen, they're going all in. I heard this. I think Tim is our resource of just going all in a 20 year old player right now. They're like we need to win now. Really good. i He's gonna be awesome. I think everybody does. He He's amazing. I
Rayshawn Buchanan:don't know he's a doll. But let's not. Let's that looks like I understand. They just got fleeced. I hear you I'm with you. Number five that That dude
Rob Kelly:is something different I get my percent but but but you can't you got to build around them. You can't you can't give up the future for what you can build Look what we did with Tatum brown we built a team around these dudes you know what I mean with pics with with with good moves, but things like that do just crippled and handicapped yourself for years to come. You can't you can't make another trade and trade a first round pick. You can't do these things. To bring a guy in around Edwards, man he 100% It's crazy.
Dave Clarke:If Danny Ainge is the GM and in fucking in for the tables. That's what he does. That's the thing. He's nowhere near a fucking deal like this. Because he's looking for a
Rayshawn Buchanan:cat. Yet, that's
Dave Clarke:what I'm talking about. He's looking at Anthony Edwards, he's going this guy, this guy that has gotta you gotta figure out how to build 100% Right there going. Okay, well, I think she's probably just about good enough. Now, if we get Rudy go bear and give up our entire future and like, Fuck the first seven years of his of his career, everything's gonna be fine. It's like, I'm disappointed as a basketball fan. I wanted to see that guy at like, 2425 years old and see what kind of fucking team we would have around him. He's gonna be in superstar purgatory now, you know, because what's gonna happen is, they're gonna get to the first round, maybe maybe they get to the semis, and they they're gonna get bounced out. That's what's gonna happen every basketball fan in America saying the same thing because that's the case. They can I mean, everybody said there was no Oh, god. No, they Bobby was saying there's two camps on this. I get your field struggle one way or the other. I think I think your points exactly right. There's the people who aren't involved with the Minnesota Timberwolves organization is everybody else. There's the two sides of this argument, you know?
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah. I mean, then it gets to that, and I made this analogy on another show. But I think in Minnesota is my what they may be thinking of is we have remember when Anthony Davis and Boogie Cousins got together a few years ago, right, that should have been the most skilled. You know, frontcourt we've ever
Rob Kelly:seen. It should have been it was fun for like 25 games.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, exactly. So somebody got hurt. Right. So maybe that's what they're trying to recreate. Obviously. I mean, none of none of them are the defender that go Bears none of them. Bogey or cat obviously, what? You know, I just think obviously, had he had to skill a buggy. It might it might have been scary. I wish everyone had. He has some offensive game. But, you know, I mean, who knows? Maybe they're not done. Maybe they still ask something else there. And obviously, I'm not putting trust in that front office to do that. Because clearly, always see what they just did. But what else maybe just unlocks cat a little bit more. Once again, he's, regardless of what people feel about him mentally. He's walking 2612 And two, every night, every night, usually. So I and once again, four months ago,
Dave Clarke:when we're talking about going to the playoffs and winning.
Rayshawn Buchanan:I'm buying. We wandered in there four months ago. So I'd say I'd take him in a heartbeat if we could. I take him in a heartbeat.
Rob Kelly:I just think you added another wet noodle to a group of wet noodles with with water with one dog in the middle. You know, that's that's exactly what you just didn't
Rayshawn Buchanan:I don't think he should have pet bed. Don't do too. I think that's it. I mean, you call your culture lupus. Oh,
Rob Kelly:yeah. Right. Another dog. No.
Rayshawn Buchanan:So yeah. So I mean, well, I mean, some of the studies that go legal Octo Jaylen Bresson for years one oh now One cent That was wild to me and I love that contract. Yeah, I listen, I'll bet you like we had spoke to someone from nursing also but I was like, Yo, this is not this is not okay ladies like to me. So remember Bradley got four years 85 mil from Indiana should do. That's the desta deal I would have given Brunson Sure. You got to be perfect man.
Dave Clarke:But he got he got hype. He got hyped as like the big free agent this year. You know what I mean? It was like who's gonna get broke? But they fit right. Yeah, right. But they fell victim to that a little bit. I think they were like, We got to go get him. Just a piece though. He's known as getting not a centerpiece, you know, right. When he's getting the tweet he's gonna get
Rayshawn Buchanan:he might get 20 Unite over there. Because he has, he has the bones in here. He could get 20 points, 20 points, six assists. And they still might finish some of the least
Dave Clarke:we ever do you think he could be the second best player on a championship team? Maybe the third best he could be 30. And like, that's the second best player on the championships in contract in my mind, you know?
Rayshawn Buchanan:Sure. But I'd be I'd be great. I understand that they had to, you know, New York has to overpay Believe it or not like the destination that people want to go
Dave Clarke:to? I thought they did a little good. They did some good wheeling and dealing honestly outside of that Bronson trade.
Rayshawn Buchanan:I was I was sold mad dogs. They ended up signing. I wanted Mr. prothesis so badly tobacco wrong. That honestly, that was all we did was get Mr. Robinson I wouldn't get I wouldn't get what No, no. I was like you literally have a taller Rob to back him up. This is perfect. There's nothing else you need.
Dave Clarke:What's Jared Allen's deal right now? Is he just off limits to us? What's this? Like?
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, unfortunately. These walls lead betrayed him though.
Dave Clarke:Right? Yeah. Exactly. He's he's like he's so much they
Rayshawn Buchanan:resign him. They resign him though. Yeah, he's a monster. Five years 100 mil? I think he got from Cleveland. And every day. I mean, to them to they got I mean, I don't know if they're gonna do a sex thing. Because obviously he came up with ACL injury. But you know, they gave Garland the bag. You know, obviously they've got you know, they got Isaac Aquarell every Mobley is a beef. He also they have some pieces there in Cleveland that could have propelled them to at least a talk
Dave Clarke:about you talking about this stuff. When you get into the offseason, you start looking at these contracts more in depth. Obviously, we've been talking about a more in depth. It's like, it makes you think back to the people at the end of the season. They're going like, oh, fuck, we got to train Marcus smart. You know, he's got to get out of here. I'm like, Well, I mean, just look at what he brings on paper compared to like his relative contracts. Like his contract looks nice right now from what we gave him. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. It's like, it's like, why
Rob Kelly:was Rob man, same with Rob,
Dave Clarke:I mean, these guys, these, these people are trying to trade away. Like, you have to not just look at what they do, which I actually am fine with Mark, what Mark is smart does, but yeah, it can just look what they do. It's it's the value that they have to the team. It's like, he please play in like a guy that had that gets paid. Probably 10 more million a year that he actually is getting paid have to be if we're being honest. So you gotta look at the value. You know, I mean, if you're the calves and you have no shot of even maybe really getting through a plan, you got to look at the value of your contracts. You know, you got to look at your future. If you're in the southeast, you got to look at the value of your contracts. So yeah, I mean, it makes sense. Like it makes sense to sort of pay attention to this stuff.
Rob Kelly:The other the other big deal too, is a loss and an addition for someone else. And I think it's so big that the word is loss Gary Payton II I know that they Gary Payton II second, I know they they got different different changes, different changes. Like if I can say people's names, but he was so key to them winning that finals against us, man. I feel I just feel like when he wasn't there, they had no answer for you know, that extra spot on our lineup. You know, they had no defensive guy to guard that 30 at the right time, right. And they lost him. No. And I think they got healthy at the right time, which we don't people don't want to eat what they eat the best. And one other fact. We're still we're still salty over here.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah. So that's that's fact though. It's saltless. That is true. They got healthy at the right time. All
Rob Kelly:right. I'm still salty. I'm sure the handgun departments big because it gets another guy over there. Who's another dog next to Damn, he hasn't really had one since the last CJ. So I'm assuming times two right, Sam Simon's over there, too. They overpaid for him a little bit, but they kind of they kind of had to, they kind of had to know.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Exactly, like, but he's taken leaps years he's been so I think that's that that was a projection payment that was like, Okay, we're gonna project that he becomes CJ 2.0 Because it's really making him to be he's only 2223 years old. So I think that that's you know, that's fine. I like those a little once again, it's a UFC guy. I'm biased. I think I was a little is going to be good for them next year. They messed up by trading Gary Trent Jr. Last year or two years ago. I think he was also someone that was a dolphin in the bubble and I think they gave up on him too early. So yeah that's that's that but yeah, yeah gay paid a second for sure it's going to be decided he got the bag. I don't I also lost Otto Porter he's where he wants to go to Toronto. So you know that's another thing that members didn't make some deals to, you know, because they Oh, they're looking they may look moved OGN and OB and if he's on the market he moves this hopper lists to websites GP got but we all want to get back into gear that time earlier. But yeah, but I'm exactly being five years to 14 that was overpaid to me as well.
Rob Kelly:It was I had to you had to do it. Anybody else? I got to meet you.
Dave Clarke:There's a lot of these though, isn't there? There's a lot of these like, Guy Yeah, you have to do you got to do it.
Rob Kelly:What do they do? If they leave though? What do you do? If they then then they're just fine.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, but you're not good. You're not winning with that guy.
Dave Clarke:Right? Unless you're 100% Sure he's gonna take you to a championship fight.
Rob Kelly:But at the same time, it's not like you do trades anymore where it's Star four star that just doesn't happen if you're going to try to Guile exact movie and you're gonna get four first round pack picks back and have to rebuild from the top. And the bulls are not in any position to rebuild at this point. You know, I mean, there's just not made
Rayshawn Buchanan:sense when you get the money to DeRozan you got to lose, I guess so I get that part. But even Oh, we just took about as I said, we need to wrap something we're running out of time. But how do I feel about design August 2031, though, how do I feel about that? I
Dave Clarke:mean, he's still kind of he's still kind of like an unproven commodity as far as if he if his body's gonna hold up but he looks pretty fuckin fit. It's pretty in shape. For what I will say about you know, paying a guy like Zion as opposed to paying a guy like Levine is like he's box office, you know, so just from like, a business standpoint, it's like, I don't know, dude. Like if you're the pelicans like, do you ever really need to win a championship? Or do you just need to sell some fucking Zion jerseys like, is that the dirty little secret of the Fugu? Fugu pelicans organization, you know what I mean? Like they're fucking down, you know? So I don't know.
Rayshawn Buchanan:But no, they're just a third like, This is St. St. Saliba. Number one is LSU. Then the saints then there is the pelicans. Like they're not even there. And lastly, they're just a third like what was a sophomore brigade, just two lovers like they're just a lover. There they are weighed down on on the totem pole. It's not even close.
Rob Kelly:As funny, but yet i'll tell you to try if if if the pelicans had to make a decision right now, and pick between Zion and Ingram and Ingram just brought them to the playoffs had a great season, great two years. They still pick Zion. Zions like the kid you said he's box office, so he's
Rayshawn Buchanan:right, but he wanted only four or five or six.
Rob Kelly:They're just gonna sell that upside all night and I think Ingram probably is out of their reach.
Rayshawn Buchanan:24 I always already started just wanting
Rob Kelly:to not die. Oh, no. Nods Iam so I agree. What do
Rayshawn Buchanan:you feel with five mistakes man?
Rob Kelly:I completely agree. But I'm just telling you what the pelicans are thinking and like that, that that day that staff they have to do that. That's dangerous. Got to do it.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Got to show up. That's dangerous. I say 20 456 Listen, with a healthy team. They want to be Phoenix bro. Like that.
Rob Kelly:To that team that I'm
Rayshawn Buchanan:saying they will they will give a few interest there was given freely split. So I think to me, and once again, I'm not a Brandon Ingram die. So the fact I'm supporting him openly on this. I'm not I'm gonna bring him right to everybody else while you're at the gym. And he says no, like, he's he's he's gotten better since he left LA, obviously, but he wasn't better than brown or Tatum. Maybe he might just have to leave now to say he's on that same level as maybe Brown. But he's not better than Tatum, in my opinion, but I just think for their team. He became the best playmaker. This year, he became the best offender at times. So yeah, I'm sorry. I'm giving him as much praise as I was. I did he's he was these myths here. He's the one that got him into the play of that silent he was the one out there playing every night that's that's just how I roll I wasn't gonna get a great box office thing I get it. I'm giving you guys flowers that fucking show up in play. Brent angle was out it was like I'm not a burden here to support it but the do I give I was again I give credit words to do what's out there giving everyone business on a regular basis. But you know, he's sleepy. He's laid back. That's why he'll never be in that conversation getting super late, but he just went that's why they call it baby KD he don't want to do nothing. He just want to that's all you want to do. Just all you want to do.
Rob Kelly:I can guarantee you they're both up for contract. They can only afford one. They're picking XyO Well,
Rayshawn Buchanan:maybe you already got a you got it. Yeah, yeah. So they're good. Good. So but I mean, I said we could we could leave it out. That was a list of emails we want to add, but I know we're long on time so
Rob Kelly:Oh, KD might not get traded specifically because of that. Go bear trade. That that's that might be that's gonna get you anyway to be honest with you that's fucking crazy like the stakes in in
Rayshawn Buchanan:96 bulls to come by like that's ridiculous like as long as they
Rob Kelly:want to they wanted LeBron and ad. Yeah like
Rayshawn Buchanan:that's what happened like that's like someone doing that that's not that's not working so on that note we would that that would do it for missing the point I am very sharp your candidate was the real behave. I'm Kelly DK sizzle. So next time we'll see you we love you peace