Boston Celtics roll in Game 2 to even Eastern Conference finals

Dave Clarke: 0:47

Welcome into missing the point I'm DK sizzle here with real BK Bob Kelly in the fresh aftermath of the murder in Miami that just took place i The final score was Celtics a million heat a little reminded me of a quote by FBI agent Adam Frawley. Jon Hamm in the movie the town. This is the not fucking around crew so someone gave me something that looks like a print because there's not fucking around thing is about to go both ways. Bobby, you just watched the fucking Celtics do more polish, the Miami Heat in a fashion that I feel we were pretty sure was gonna happen at some point. I'd feel that I feel that our confidence in this team. It's a cycle. It's it's the team played with confidence. The team played with grit, a team stopped doing all the stupid shit that they were doing in the past few years to blow leads and get fucked up. And they did it in game one a little. But we owed them some faith. And that faith paid off. What do you think of that game?

Rob Kelly: 1:49

Yeah, they had this is 100% what I expected out of this game 127 omorrow two is closer than this game actually was this game did have an opportunity to be a 40 to 50 point game.

Dave Clarke: 2:01

What do you put those starters around about nine months after the fourth which is which is pretty fucking embarrassing, Eric? I know it was the smart thing to do. And the commentators are like, well, that's just a smart thing to do. And it's like, well, I only

Rob Kelly: 2:14

eat so much in this game. It was absurd. But no me Yeah, no, this was exactly what I expected. I set it after last game to every Celtics fan on Twitter that was having a heart attack or everyone everywhere it

Dave Clarke: 2:25

was negative. It was negative bro. Like the tone was dark and we owe

Rob Kelly: 2:30

this team so much more after what we just witness than a to turn on them after one loss especially in the game on adversaries and be to do that was close battling without to have your best defense to know not to have your best defense players. Your two best defensive players and your two heart and soul so that's the biggest thing I heard about game one is like oh, they just had no heart. Well, yeah, the fucking heart and soul was on the bench guys like we we just talked about this at at nauseating fashion for so long. How much Marcus an hour mean to this team to the heart to what they play with. And it was so evident tonight, man, like, within 10 minutes, we were like, Oh, right. This is our fucking team. It's night and day, man. Those two names so much, you remember

Dave Clarke: 3:23

wouldn't dream on kick LeBron in the balls? Yeah. And everybody knew great that everybody knew that that Steph and clay weren't going to be able to beat the Cavs in that following game when he was suspended and it swung the entire series in that finals. Yeah, that's it's it they don't have to be your best most talented player to be just as important to your winning as you get more and more if not more important than your best most talented player. Yeah, the game is all about buckets we get that you know we got two guys that can go get you those and we'll and we'll obviously go on to talk about JB and GTs performance and in this game because it was I think professional mature consistent like all these words you know, it wasn't it wasn't Tatum going off and in game six against Milwaukee but it was it was exactly what they needed to do but since we're on Marcus smart the god among men of course, I think I think him coming in with ah, this is the perfect Marcus smart potion, a chip on his shoulder something to prove a narrative that that he wasn't involved in the first game and that's why and and you know that to prove and a guy who really just put his fucking hand on the top of the Celtics head and said like, it's alright little guy in game one in Jimmy Butler. And Mark has been like, Okay, let's see if those switches work because he even let them switch him and Payton Pritchard a couple of times, and like yeah, Jimmy Lai had a little he had a little run to the third. I'm not like taking that away from the sun. Like it mattered though. Marcus was fucking all over him from the start. And Jimmy had to go 1000 miles an hour in order to produce that like little spell of Jimmy Butler isms. Because he's not fucking pianist and this is what I was saying to you. I watching this series is already more relaxing because the honest isn't in there. Just do whatever the fuck he wants for four quarters across 6.8 games. You know what I mean? It's like it's just not the same thing when it's Jimmy Butler. I love Jimmy Butler. But Mark has been able to come in and do that and yeah, heart and soul is is the point. I think owl contributed. I was saying it was I was just as important as Marcus to come back in but I that's clearly was not true, though. Like that. I was clearly wrong about that. Marcus was a huge influencer because of the way this Miami Heat Team play because of the way that their guards rotate and switch and it There was a moment let's talk about this there was a moment sort of at the start like the very very start where the real players started banging in shots and we all got a little bit worried. Let's talk about what we did to mitigate those guys and how it should make you less worried that they're three and four guys are you know they're just they're just not they're just not it. You know what I mean? Like I feel like your point is true after and I thought I think you should include include badminton after Jimmy. Hero and bam, their options are fucking plummet. There's that moment so let's talk about the roleplayers a little bit to it because you're making points about them in the discord where it like Are you scared? I'm not.

Rob Kelly: 6:20

No, not even a little bit. Now listen, gave Venza and what's that Max truce? Fleetwood Fleming swarmers former Celtic, former Celtic decent

Dave Clarke: 6:27

little three point shooter and and Vincent, I think a really good dribbler and he's he plays good in and out and I think he could be the seventh best guy on a championship team

Rob Kelly: 6:39

yeah not the fourth right right he he's he's he's Payton Payton Pritchard on the Celtics. You know what I mean? That's the role he would be playing on our team and it's just when you look up and down the rosters man it's not even close You know to me like up and down it's not even close. It was close and game one it was Yeah, cuz we coach because of Horford and smart right. Yeah,

Dave Clarke: 7:03

they certainly read it for I mean, that's that's just the long and short of it is

Rob Kelly: 7:07

it's good when he was one defense and one in a solid one.

Dave Clarke: 7:11

Let's replay in the next. Yeah. Where it goes. It definitely goes I think in just order of talent and importance and like roles. It definitely an idea you correct me if I'm wrong. It definitely goes Jason. Jaylen, Smart Horford. Like, I really think we're free. I know that that's if you went in if you if you if you took if this version of me went back in time and told me like, you know, nine months ago that I'd be saying that Horford is our fourth most important guy and it's a good thing. I'd be like, you're out of your fucking mind. Like no way but I mean, in this playoffs? It's it's I feel like it's undisputable. And I think like, God, sorry. Go ahead.

Rob Kelly: 7:50

There was just absolutely at the end there's so it's just when you think about it, so that I said this earlier is to you is like they take away the two of them specifically, take away the thinking for our two top guys. You know what I mean? When I went out to write exactly without Horford and Smart, Tatum and Brown have to think about the game going on around him they have to think about the game plan they have to think about all this shit was Horford and smart admit their man, there's a brains of the operation like you. You've been in projects before, where you have poor leadership and poor things at the top, where where everyone is thinking about each individual thing they have to do, and it's a fucking disaster when people just step in and do their job and do what they're supposed to do, and they have someone being there. So they know if they fuck up or something goes wrong. They're there to calm shut down. Yeah, and that's what those two are man. So like, you can't understate the importance to me. Everyone's like excuses. Excuses. It's it's legitimate, man. It's not an excuse. These two are so important. It's not a basketball team. Yes. Yeah. It's

Dave Clarke: 9:00

not even so much that it's an excuse. It's it's a fact. I mean, it was we took the we took the first L on the chin, no problem. You know, like, it wasn't Oh, if we felt you know, I think everyone's attitude everyone's that healthy side of the Celtics fan fandom. I and I said this on our last show with Joe I think our attitude wasn't like we're making excuses for losing game one. I still think we could have won Game one and I think that was damning for the heat. I mean, like right exam, I think it was like let's see, let's see because they're gonna come back most likely game two and let's look and see like let's let's see if if they are going to make a difference. And there was this argument was happening on national fucking television. Went to I want Shaq and Charles go back and forth about if it was going to make Oh shit, the heat look, they just have too much. It's just like 2020 the bubble. And Shaq was like, I think I can't remember that. I honestly get them confused because they they both say dumb shit a lot. But I think Shaq said to Charles Hey dummy, it makes a difference when the Defensive Player of the Year comes back in where Charles she said to Shaq one or the other one was fucking right and one was wrong and because like obviously it does, obviously it bucking does like they were they were bullying Payton Pritchard. We shouldn't be in that situation where they're bullied Payton Pritchard. You know what I mean? It's just not it's not acceptable. And we're not going to win that way. You know? And I think tonight, especially with guys like Prichard, we were able to roll them in on the offensive side of the ball and cover him defensively. You know, because Mark I don't know if you notice. But every single time Payton Pritchard was in a defensive situation. Marcus smart was no less than six feet away from him 100% And every single 1% Every single fucking time so it's like that. That's what you do. That's what that's what guys like Marcus smart do. I let so let's you know and I want to get back to this because I think it's a good question. Your air exposure right now you're the heat. You just watched a fully healthy Celtics be longer stronger, more athletic have more options offensively pretty much have you kind of figured out defensively? What do you do? You know, BAM was a non factor because I was just too big and too strong whenever he tried to go in. Ah, Jimmy YEAH, Jimmy we'll go we'll go get his butt. Tyler here though is that you know, do you think he's going to recreate you a fucking bubble miracle dude. He's just he's the was the sixth man of the year. That's great. He looked every inch. And not not a starter today. You know? And it's like so what like, so put yourself in the difficult scenario of Eric's bolster shoes right now. What do you do? What do you do when you go to Boston?

Rob Kelly: 11:31

You got to find ways. It's I think you got to find ways to switch different people on to Jimmy Butler, man. Work with Marcus isn't there? I know. Exactly. So that's why it's just like brothers. This series could be what we're all thinking. And it'd be quicker than people think. I mean, we'll see what happens when we get back to boss I don't like gangster collar shot or anything like that. But like when you look at it as you get when you look at when you look at what you see when we're a fully healthy basketball team, man. There's not much they can do offensively against us. You know what I mean? Like so the two guys that played the most important filling roles in game one Tyson and Tyson fucking nice medicines. If ISIS delete switchable player on the Celtics, that's how you beat Tice as you make him switch and he makes bad decisions. Yeah, it's like

Dave Clarke: 12:17

pretty slow and eastward, right? Yeah.

Rob Kelly: 12:20

He's He's the He's the least advantaged person for all right. It's not the right word. But you know, he's the least positive person when it comes to switches on the south. So yeah, you have that where it's like he doesn't fit into that defensive strategy at all. Yeah, then you have nice Miss who we haven't seen since the all star break. And yes, just like bras, I'm encouraging minutes from him again when I thought but yeah, ya know, and he was pretty good in game one, actually. But I mean, he shouldn't

Dave Clarke: 12:44

be out there. Right, right. Like the Eastern Conference Finals is crazy.

Rob Kelly: 12:48

Yeah. When we're full shrink, they just can't match up with us. And that's plate playing and

Dave Clarke: 12:52

we weren't even full strength. And we were missing Derrick White, who plays like a lot of important minutes for us. I mean, I know we've had our Derrick white, back and forth, but you know, we were missing him and I feel like I feel like Prichard being out there. I think he's really does bring a lot offensively. I think he backs himself when he shoots I really like how he takes care of the basketball. I think that's his number one quality that he can bring to the table for us right now. Like it's offensive.

Rob Kelly: 13:16

Rebounding is absurd. For a lot of guy I know apps bro. I don't understand how he always gets rebounds over seven footers and I thought

Dave Clarke: 13:24

it was really impressive when he won that battle rap against Papa doc and all those guys at the end of a mile. I thought that was really I thought that was really impressive because like no one believed in him and he had already choked at the start. We all did Bobby We're all boy dudes that went to school from went I still like in the 2006 to 2012 range you know it's everybody's got those. Everybody in the 313 Put your motherfucking Hands up

Rob Kelly: 13:52

for knowing exactly you do

Dave Clarke: 13:55

Oh Peyton P All right, so point B pain pitchers not seeing as many minutes tonight of Derek whites in there. And Derek white defensively is the opposite of Payton Pritchard. You're not exploiting him you can actually stay one on one with guys so when he comes back if everyone got you know God willing, I said sports is when I become not an atheist when the Lord above wills it hopefully everybody stays healthy and it's Derrick White comes in and it's it's more defense on on admin long guards and guys like guys like fucking spruce. You know, to me, it's like that's, that's great. You could just eliminate those dudes with it with a derrick white appearance.

Rob Kelly: 14:32

So ratios said tonight he pulled a spotter keeps calling the same fucking play. He doesn't wear it over again. And he does it's right or down because because that's all they got. That's that's not and it's like when you look at what they just did even in their past series like they barely beat a seven sectors who had another unbroken injured, injured down and beat James Harden who's a shell and they add they took them six to beat them. Yeah, so it's like mad when you think about what we already be in the teams that we've already gone through the heat. That's what I keep trying to go to air them to him. They don't

Dave Clarke: 15:09

this is what I've been trying to tell people for four fucking days. That book series was crazy hard. They're the defending NBA champions. They have a freakish fucking like Alien on their team. They were playing pretty well.

Rob Kelly: 15:26

And Netflix ginamit roleplayers they have Louis shoot.

Dave Clarke: 15:30

They they took away the thing that we love to do to teams which is be longer and stronger and more athletic than them like we're doing in the heat right now. They took that away from us, and we had to figure some other shit out and just battle They play aggressive defense. They were the number one defense across the whole playoffs. They're They're super legit. They're super legit team they're fucking hard to beat. And I think that we and you know another good point Ray made in the discord. We we've won eight of nine quarters, eight eight of we've won seven of it we've won seven of it for five to eight. This is a late ship we've won because I played an extra course they graded say eight of nine and which confused me so I'm blaming him for that. But we won seven of eight quarters, we lost the third quarter. It goes against them in game one. That's That's it. You know what I mean? That's all that's all we've we've all we've done. So, I think if we just consistently keep winning quarters like this, I mean, even when we went down, you know, I was like, it's fine. This is like legitimately gonna be fine. Like, it didn't feel great. When like their shots were dropping, but right away to you. When everyone started to panic. I was like, Okay, first of all, they're like deep roleplayers are hitting fucking deep threes relax. I was like the Jimmy Butler's just hit a circus shot. You were like, Yeah, I guess two of his points were like from Robert. He was just jamming a fucking block right into his hands. And it was Labra. So you take those points away. It's like a different story. And I think that this Celtics team, and you know, we should come on, I think to talk about email a little bit. And then this Celtics team, a lot of its resiliency comes from being able to chill the fuck out. And it's timeouts. I think I love the way they came out of timeouts tonight. Again, I love the way they came in at halftime tonight. I think it's I think that email encourages the right things from the right players. I think that's what he does. And I think he there's there seems to be a mantra and every time I hear him miked up, there seems to be a mantra that's kind of kind of stuck out to me is keep playing the right way. Keep playing the right way, keep playing the right way. And it's like, the thing that we were so upset with them about two years ago, one year ago, you know, the bubble like all that all these different runs all these different playoff runs. They had a tendency to stop playing their game and stop doing what got them there. They had a real tendency to do that in undergrad, and then probably at the start of this season to under under email a little bit. But I think that's a little hangover. Talk to me about what it is that you see in their resiliency and how different of a team they are coming out of timeouts coming out of halftime. And when they when they face adversity, when they face ruins when they have to weather storms like this has been a big narrative we've been talking about. What is it that you think they're doing differently that you that you've seen that's making you feel as good as I feel about it and better than we have in the past couple of years?

Rob Kelly: 18:16

I mean, I think I mean, Amy, I said it wrong. Every time you do email me every time we may have gotten used to it. May he just, it's exactly what he says bam, they play their fucking game. And it's been this way, honestly for this whole run. Because when this team has played their game, and the way that we all know that they've been capable of playing their this team, you know what I mean? It's when they get stuck in those ISIL ball situations or when they when they get lackadaisical on defense, but this team doesn't seem to do that. And yeah, listen, that was a historically bad third quarter. But boy literally was like the second worst, historically bad, right? Yeah, even if that was casually bad. We might win game one. Right? Even Even if outdoors by 11. If they

Dave Clarke: 19:08

if it's not insurmountable going into the forest, we still we look at we're looking

Rob Kelly: 19:12

okay. Right, exactly. And so it's just the overall work that you may sit next to her as has done with this team is just it's it's crazy, man. I just I don't know what it is that he does. I really think it really is just reminding them to play their way their goddamn game play the way that I know you guys are capable of and and we'll be okay. It's kind of like so reminds me of oh eight with the with Doc, when we're down 2324 points in that game. And you remember going into those timeouts to like, review like, keep Yeah, the Lakers come back, keep playing defense, your shots will fall. The I Know your shots will fall, you keep playing defense, and that's what they did. They kept chipping away. And finally we came by He reminds me a lot of that where it's like, he knows what this team can do. And when we're capable of it's just a matter of keeping their heads in the right place, man. And, and it's obviously obviously working pretty well.

Dave Clarke: 20:10

Yeah, that works pretty well. I said to Joe yesterday, when we were doing the kind of the commiseration for of game one in the preview of game two. I was saying and you know, you worry about Jason this stuff, but at the end of the day, you got to keep your analysis. I was saying I think the heat might have showed everything they have. I think they might have given us everything they've got and the lack of ideas that they hadn't to come back tonight like their run was just what they were already doing working a little bit better. You know, and and Like prefer instance, a lot of a lot was talked about the ball pressure working on the Celtics, because the Celtics and what you know you and I have been saying this don't love the ball handling from most of our guys, you know don't love it. Marcus has gotten so much better at bringing the ball up the court that they tried to pressure us and we just moved the ball. Like it was just that simple. It was like they pressured the man who's just moved the ball and Jeff Van Gundy, who, you know, I maintain is, is is a dork and a fraud. I was listening to him be like horrible. She's so bad. He's such a bad commentator and so bad. He makes Mark Jackson worse too. But who's also not great at commentary. I just sort of want like, I mean, I know this is a dick move, but like, because they're both coaches. They both often say Kochi things like it's, I call it timeout right now. Like I challenge that right now. Mike, would you because you're a commentator now because you suffered. So maybe just let the man do his fucking job because he's in the Eastern Conference Finals. I know people have things to say about Mark. Jake's not getting a fair shake. And I think that's maybe fair, but end of the day is not a fucking coach anymore. So it's just like no, and they call each other coach too. It's such a fucking like golf guy slapping each other on the back bullshit and whatever. Point B and going he kept being like, you gotta make June bro. Put the ball on the floor dribble. You go to America put the ball the floor dribble, because that's what and I'm like, dude, they're trying. They're trying I'm literally watching them try to do that. It's not fucking working. Every time he gets credit first of all if he has space he can dribble and he can make fucking moves and he had some like sexy fucking dribble pull up mid range shots tonight, which I really appreciate it. I get that if he gets pressured sometimes he makes bad decisions but he wasn't doing that tonight because guys like Marcus guys like out they were just showing for the ball and they were like It's cool, man. Your pressure just pass it right off like all good. They cannot and no one can double team us. Nobody in this league can double team us. anywhere they go. That is that is our fucking secret sauce. You seen anybody tried to just like really legitimately double team Jayson Tatum is postseason. Because it's suicide. It's a suicide.

Rob Kelly: 22:47

It is a hard to kill. You know, the

Dave Clarke: 22:49

males pass out of that double team and whoever gets the ball most likely can shoot. And I just think it's like watching this team in that regard. It's just like, I pick your poison. That's what I've been saying. It's like pick your poison. How do you want to die? How do you want to go? Do you want to you want to leave Jaylen brown open? He's gonna kill you. He's gonna fucking kill you. He's shooting so confidently right now. She is his confidence is absolutely off the charts. You want it? You want to have put Jayson Tatum you want to put the ball in his hands? He's gonna kill you. You want to let Marcus Smart lead the fucking dance. He's gonna kill you. Oh, you oh you you pick the the lesser of all evils and you left Al Horford open for three. He killed you. He hit the shot. Grant Williams. Well, Greg, we've

Rob Kelly: 23:28

just made it as goofy like,

Dave Clarke: 23:31

Well, alright, well this guy coming over pump fake sidestep bag.

Rob Kelly: 23:34

It's gonna last man off the bench. Richard.

Dave Clarke: 23:36

Hey. Leave him over. You know. I mean to be fair, they did fucking torture pain push the other end of the military in the people. Yeah. covered up. You know, we covered him. And I think I think it's it's the the mistakes are getting smaller. The stretches of bad decision making are shrinking from series to series. And yeah, that was a bad third quarter. Don't get me wrong. That was bad through quarter but I you know, I accept it. And I live with it. Alright, let's move on to a preview. Oh, no, you got one more?

Rob Kelly: 24:04

No, I was just gonna say listen. And this even goes into the preview because it kind of is going to go to my prediction for game three is like we owe this team so much more than to bail on them after that last game. Like listen, I get it. It was a bad game. We had a bad game game one against the nets. We had a bad game game one against the bucks. The bucks are much, much, much, much much better than theirs. Miami Heat Team. Okay. What's the true holidays not walking out of that fucking court from Miami? I can promise you that. And B is they haven't lost consecutive games.

Dave Clarke: 24:39

Yeah, there was two streaks, there was two streaks tonight there was that one of them had to get broken. The heat hadn't lost at home in the playoffs yet. And we hadn't lost back to back games. So that one of those streaks had to go tonight, not just in the playoffs. So since February. So we have we have lost back to back games since February, February. So so for us to lose this.

Rob Kelly: 25:00

I don't know that. Now that we have homecourt again, right. We literally have to do something that we haven't done and he'd have to do something to us that hasn't been done in over three months. Now that we have been defeated back to back Yeah, yeah. Great.

Unknown: 25:14

Love it.

Rob Kelly: 25:14

Oh, let's go. Yeah, yeah, I

Dave Clarke: 25:16

mean, I mean, we talked so much about how important it was to to take a home to take a game away from the Miami and how, because of the way this series is kind of shaped up how important it would be to take one of the early games because now we get a break. We get a little break we get to go home. They can sit in their own fucking houses, they get to drink out of their own fucking glasses, they get to eat their own dinner, and they get to drive to work, all these things. So moving on to to a preview Alright, I just like to say just as a quick aside, we put up a video of a couple of shows ago of me saying that Jayson Tatum is now currently better than Paul Pierce ever was. And we got a lot of reactions out of that. And a lot of people responded. And I just like to take this opportunity to apologize to absolutely fucking nobody, because the double champ does what the fuck he wants. I mean, wait, sorry. Because if I'm right, I'm sorry. And what's nice about this take and what I really love about it, and the kind of people that are, you know, arguing with me about it, and argue with my friends about it. And they'd be like, Oh, can you say that? It's in the statute. It's an established response is what you're having. But what and I totally appreciate it. I was there for all the peers of yours, too. I mean, I'm not doing a fucking Celtics podcast for my health. You know, I obviously give a shit. But I would just like to say that Jayson Tatum has had 550 plus point games to pop versus one. If you look at just Paul's 10 seasons in Boston, just his 10 seasons in Boston and his playoff averages. Tatum is ahead of him in all the important categories. Tatum's already made deeper runs in the playoffs than Paul did in his first five years. I mean, the list goes on. I don't want to have guys Yeah, no, no, I mean, in his in his in Paul's first five years to end versus Tatum's. First Five Years Tatum's made deeper ruins already the like if you compare their

Rob Kelly: 26:57

first I know I'm saying like besides the NBA Finals year, there wasn't any other run that he made. So right not even right. And I get nine

Dave Clarke: 27:05

year and I get still better. Tatum has been on better teams. And you know, it's a different set of circumstances. What I don't want and you guys don't want this either, because I'm better at this than you. And I'm talking to the audience. I would I don't want us to have an argument about this because what I was trying to illustrate by saying that is to wrack your brains around to the current plethora of fucking talent that you have on your Celtics team please you really appreciate it because there's people on Twitter going I'm taking Paul over the overtake them all day and I'm like no, you're not because that is not an option right now. That is not an option what you have right now is a fucking unbelievable All Star superstar potential top five player in the NBA on your team. Just fucking appreciate it and stop being such misery guts. That's all I'm saying.

Rob Kelly: 27:51

We've never listened poppers was amazing. Okay, love. I'm with i He is my guy. He was never even considered a top 10 player. No. In the NBA is underrated. I honestly think 100% He was underrated. But he was never even fucking closer to the talent level that Jason I'll never forget that first rookie season, man. When Jayson Tatum jams all LeBron right? Yes, we lost that. We are even the entire one. Totally. You just knew that this dude is different man when he wants he shot. He goes and Buckner. Yeah,

Dave Clarke: 28:25

I mean, also Yeah, when he position there's so many

Rob Kelly: 28:29

different things that he checks the fucking board. You just like, he's, he's an ungodly basketball player. So yeah, I agree with

Dave Clarke: 28:37

you. I just think that the nice thing about this tape, the nice thing about this take is I'm getting in on the fucking ground floor. Like I'm buying the stock early. And I'm getting in on the ground floor because it's going to age like a fucking fine wine. And I want and the nice share is and the nice thing about the internet is it's forever. So everybody that talks this shit. I can't wait to just come back and say like, did you enjoy that? Another Jayson Tatum performance? That's Jayson Tatum performance.

Rob Kelly: 29:02

Pop. Here's one his first so this is Paul Pierce won his first championship when he's about 31 Yeah, it was 30 Wonderful. 31. Yeah, come back to me when Jayson Tatum is 31 years old and serious. Now fucking just had a chance.

Dave Clarke: 29:17

But anyway, I don't want to turn this into a fucking debate about about your son. I don't want to and I don't want it to be diminutive to Paul Pierce, because I love Paul Pierce. I fucking love that guy. And I and I know what these people are saying. What they're saying is, is I loved being the scrappy underdog. I love having Pierce's our best player and him being underrated I loved nobody expecting him to be able to go toe to toe with LeBron and then Kobe in the same playoffs. Like I you know, I love that too. I'm just talking about pure raw talent in the fucking eye test like a who you pick and first on on a five on five like, I'm taking the fucking everybody up like it's just the way it's working, you know? So that's all I have to say about that. And I'm glad it got as many responses as it did. I heard it from a lot of different people that were real, real mad. And I just want to say your boobs mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes you cheer and every breath I take without your permission raises my self esteem. Your tears tastes wonderful of hers. Oh, that's that I still. So moving on to the preview.

Rob Kelly: 30:15

I meant like you said that to

Dave Clarke: 30:17

me meant. Just kidding. So moving on to the preview of game three, but also the rest of the series. We are obviously an extremely advantageous position bringing the heat back to Boston for games three and four. How important is it that we win these these two games? Do you think we'll take lessons from the mistakes the Milwaukee Bucks made against us because we're in a very similar position that they were in at had at one point in the in the southern Xbox series last round. And how much do you think fatigue is playing a factor? Feel free to answer in whatever order you want.

Rob Kelly: 30:50

So it's very important for us take these next few games. We can't get that whole court Venge back to them. We can't we can't we can't. It just it gives them so much more confidence. I feel like I know we've been talking about matchups and all this stuff, but like listen to the NBA Playoffs. Confidence in swag does go a very long way when it comes to the NBA plan for sure. 100% or so

Dave Clarke: 31:12

it's like it's like getting a hockey goalie hot in Right exactly.

Rob Kelly: 31:16

Yeah, exactly. So yeah, it's very important for us take this and plus like we're just we are the better team so like we should take both games at home you know what I mean? Like we just saw who we are at full strength and who we are matchup wise against them so if we do end up losing one of these two games at home it's just because we fucked up period you know what I mean? Exactly like it was against the bucks you should have taken all the home games against them the first one but those set those the second games, we got her fucking offensive rebound in the fourth quarter. You know what I mean? So that's the only way I see is losing either these two games so if we do end up losing one of them I'm sure it's going to be in some heartbreaking fashion we're gonna be fucking past so I really hope that doesn't fucking happen. What was the other question

Dave Clarke: 32:02

health health and health and safety or fucking you know, fatigue like, where's the stand? I mean, it benefits us to in the series early sooner rather than later, right?

Rob Kelly: 32:10

Yeah, I have a theory about that game one to be honest, is I think, because I've never actually had COVID I heard he I do continuous close quarters. I don't think I'm kidding. I think it was a rest and they I think they were gonna rest him they didn't want to put parentheses rest next to his name and the fucking plan is there like I

Dave Clarke: 32:28

agree because they thought about it and they were like, Oh, we can get him out we could get him uh, if he tests negative on this day he plays game to fuck it. Yeah,

Rob Kelly: 32:35

I agree need right we need to get one and a 100% Our game two is more important than if they didn't even look the house

Dave Clarke: 32:44

must have been fucking Gustavo Castro

Rob Kelly: 32:46

hidden he probably had no fucking like, yeah, they could vote. So like, just think about that series, though. Like games that that was sort of a horse.

Dave Clarke: 32:53

And as you asked him specifically right in that series, because he had to guard that fucking absolute anomaly.

Rob Kelly: 33:00

He hasn't done that in five years, playing somebody that hard for that long. So yeah, I'm, I think

Dave Clarke: 33:07

we feel rested when he's sitting on the bench at this point. Like I feel I'm close to the Al Horford stage and I am to Jay state of his age. At the end of the day, I feel I feel it when he's released plug and play when it's

Rob Kelly: 33:20

true. And ya know, it's gonna play a big factor, man. Listen, I do think that and I was nice. We sat some other fuckers early said we got a whole fourth quarter off. I think we need another one of these and needs to bug out. We need another blowout because it is going to come down to at some point, we're not going to be playing great. We're not going to be hitting our shots and we're gonna have to outrun them out athletic them out. You know what I mean? I'll hustle them. So it is going to come down to that eventually. So we need we need our standard approach. We need it we especially from Horford, that's the guy that matters to me. I mean, like,

Dave Clarke: 33:57

I don't know, I feel like we we were able to ask kind of very little from him tonight. You know what I mean? Like he kind of just needed to play his role tonight. Rob seemed a little bit more. Let's talk about Rob leaves for a second. Let's just talk about like the sort of hit or miss trick or treat natures of Rob Williams. The I think probably the kryptonite is Jimmy Butler. And I know that they don't get matched up a ton. So it's not that big of a deal. But nobody bites on a fakes more than Rob Williams. He fucking loves mine up fakes as you brothers got a great update. And we all need to collectively as a team stop biting on his fucking face so hard, and we were a little bit better about it this game, but I said this on the last show. You can't get tricked by Jimmy Butler every single time his bag of tricks is deep, but it's not that fucking deep. You have to just like defend him. You know, like, you can't it's he's not Lebron James. He's not getting whatever he fucking wants in there. It's not fair. It's not how it works with Jimmy Butler. He can go on runs like he did tonight. But he can't be in there just doing whatever the fuck he wants, like he was for spelling these last two games. But yeah, let's talk about Rob for a second. I think defensive or offensive outlet. He's great. Like, like you were talking about is sort of bailout passes, like lobs that he can make happen defensively. Yeah, he's athletic. He's still got the hops. He's still doing good. He needs to just be a little bit more aware. He needs to be a little bit more aware because you're trying

Rob Kelly: 35:15

to be a little bit of old Rob. Yes. When he gets in there, right. Yeah, a little bit.

Dave Clarke: 35:19

And I think that was my biggest gripe with him when he first got on the team was I just think defensively like he was just there was you could go back door on him a lot. You could switch on him quickly a lot. You could be crafty with them underneath the basketball you could up fake them all you fucking wanted. And I've seen a lot of that I think tonight which was a little disconcerting. I think the

Rob Kelly: 35:38

bench only paid 20 minutes. I'm pretty sure you got benched. Like, I think he was getting killed out there. Yeah, it was just it was he was definitely second tier to grant tonight because grant played 32 And Rob only played 27 kind of quietly good game now, yet. Well, we talked about that, bro. And he had 19 I don't understand where that 19 I don't know where they're, like, scored 19 points tonight. Are you sure? 19 points five to seven to two from three. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, seven of eight ago grid, seven and eight at the line. So so obviously, everybody was

Dave Clarke: 36:13

fucking scoring. So it was like, Who's the next man up? You know, like, so.

Rob Kelly: 36:17

So this kind of goes back to what you were saying no, for these next two games, right? Having guys were so two to two different things. So first, what was the biggest gritch One of our biggest critiques in that first game? was free throws, right? Yeah, I mean, I was reverse. You may. You may set. You may. Absolutely.

Dave Clarke: 36:37

And the email goes to

Rob Kelly: 36:40

act to stress that in practice, or in who I was saying fucking 21 or 23 Yeah, when I was 23

Dave Clarke: 36:47

I was saying they needed to take fucking free throws for the entirety of the of the rest day. Like everybody just needed to be put in a fucking free throws because it was bad. They did it and he weren't shooting very good, right? What was the heat? What were these free throw numbers. They were why you look down. Why you look that up. I'll just talk about how I like I just think it's like, regardless of like, they'll shoot badly. Like they shot badly tonight, but they won't do that again. So like, it's a matter of the 2%. Yeah, I mean, that's garbage. And I think you got to, but I still think you got to keep them off the line. You can't rely on them. You know, so I mean, great that they didn't shoot very well, but they didn't shoot very well, from fucking anywhere tonight. I feel like they had open looks, the real players that open looks that I feel like we're just not scary. And because it goes back to talking about like the real players, they're not that looking good and not that deep. It's gonna look worse in Boston.

Rob Kelly: 37:37

It is It looks like and where it was, I think we win both these games. And I think I'll give it a manual. I was trying to extend this out a little bit here. But I think we went both these games would have fucking 10 man. Yeah, I ended like we will do and it's so that's, that's that's our Mo though. Right? This is every game this playoffs. When we play the way we're capable of. From beginning to end. We win the game by 10 or more points every bucket time. And I really think that this team man, it's it's something special because when they play, when they play their basketball, they're very, very hard to be. Shaq was a shocker. Someone said it tonight. Shocker. Charles, you have one of those. We're gonna be Golden State. If we keep waiting this way. The Golden State's gonna have a tough time matching up against us if Well, I mean, that's a little pre we were to get there. No, if we were to get there even day, and they're like the cream of the crop at the NBA all this stuff. Even they would have a hard time matching up against us right

Dave Clarke: 38:36

now. Well, I just mean, it's a little premature, because the Western Conference Finals are also not Oh, right.

Rob Kelly: 38:40

Or doubt, right. Or Dallas. Yeah. Anyone in the NBA right now would have is that better? Well, yeah. Well, I didn't want in the NBA. Yeah, tough time.

Dave Clarke: 38:47

I agree with you. And I was gonna move on to this point. Also, I think, just just to just to do a refined prediction, you originally called Celtics and five. Are you sticking

Rob Kelly: 38:56

with that? Yes. 100%? Well, I was losing another game.

Dave Clarke: 38:59

I called them in six. And just because you already have the five call, I'm going to stick with it. But I'm starting to believe you. I think we want our game more dominantly than the one they're getting. We're going home. And I think we're better on paper. And I think we're better in real life. So say in theory, in theory, like communism, works in theory, but maybe try it in practice. I don't know. Maybe we should try it again. I don't know. I'm not trying to go off on a rant. But I mean, we have to be worth a shot. Because capitalism is going really well guys. Anyway, listen, so if we

Rob Kelly: 39:27

don't do that.

Dave Clarke: 39:31

I mean, it's not my fault. Okay. You've seen gas prices and inflation. It's not I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I did it as much as you know, the next day. So say in theory, in theory, we, we win this series. Say we went in fine, and we go to the finals. Question one, who do you want? Out of the Western Conference Finals? Who do you think we match up better against? And why?

Rob Kelly: 39:59

So I think Dallas's is scary, because they're the team that no one believes in third team who could scared Yeah, Luca is very scary. And I think they're better than a lot of people give him credit for They remind me a lot of us except without that secondary guy. You know what I mean? where they were? There, they're there. So they're coached by Jason Kidd, who we shade on when they hired him. Great coach,

Dave Clarke: 40:25

he great

Rob Kelly: 40:26

or good, good coach on his part, but yes, yeah. He preaches defensive identity, man. He lets Luca do his thing. And on the other end of the court, it's all about fucking doing your job and playing defense and that's what they've been doing. They get out Philly torched in game one against Golden State and Golden State Golden State man listen, I never want to see are they still? Are they still they can be. They can be at night to come quite as easily to them they but they still have Jordan Poole who they integrated in. They still have well Peyton might be back for the final Steve Kerr who's relieved cars to coach

Dave Clarke: 41:05

they'll right So Steph Curry can still fucking light you up for fucking 30 any journey in

Rob Kelly: 41:10

the heart and soul still their dream on still there that young wing.

Dave Clarke: 41:13

Okay well hold on a second. Draymond looks like he's got like, like a like a little person or a lifetime BRICS champion at all times, like he he hasn't been able to jump for like three seasons but now it's like that, you know, and I like you know, you say they still have the heart and soul and dream up but if we're talking matchup wise, I did a six sadistic part of you wants to see Luca versus Tatum. I do want like a sick sick part of me as a Celtics as a Celtics fan. I don't want to see that. As a basketball fan. I want to see that as a neutral I want to see that. If we get golden state I think we got to be totally honest with you because Draymond in there is just gonna get your output their fucking old big man against our old big man all fucking day long like our will YMCA eat him with elbows like for the entirety of that book and series. And if he ever tries to come out to the perimeter, OPPO fucking Marcus on like, I don't even give a shit. Like he's useless out there. There. Marcus might even be too much. You know, Rob Williams will torture him. It's it's bad. So it comes down to to Steph and clay, you know, and like, yeah, they're probably going to beat you one or two games with their shots fallen, but I don't know, man, I just again, I just feel like we're longer. We're stronger. We're more athletic. We just have more options. We have more offensive options. I would be more scared of maps, personally, because I'm genuinely afraid of Luka. And I'm really rated him ever since he's come into the league because he's so fucking good. And it really went up a level when he played what was the best team in the regular state. I mean, I've been saying this since we started this podcast and well before you can't win if your best players are guards, it just doesn't work. If you get if you get a team with wings like ours, or a team with like Yanis on it's just it's not gonna work. So they come up against a guy like Luca who's just fucking enormous and can do whatever he wants and create his own shot yet, that's just gonna happen. But it was his attitude. And it was how he did it. You know what, like, that clip of them catching him being like, everybody wants to act tough when fucking up when they're like when they're up, you know? And I'm like, Oh my God. Like, he's just like, he's kind of a fucking dog. You know, and I think he's got more obvious dog in him than Tatum does. Right as it as it stands right now, but I think Tatum might be a little bit of a better player as it stands right now. So I'd love to see the matchup would you be scared? I'd be scared.

Rob Kelly: 43:37

I'd be a little worried. Just because of who he is. He'd be he'd be Is he better than Yanis? Is that a discussion? We want to start right? That's

Dave Clarke: 43:45

different. He's different. Such a different thing I think because he's

Rob Kelly: 43:49

just as imposing as Jada says at the same settings you have to play against him i unless he fucking kills us to he does he fucking kills us I think that I think that see I don't want to see anyone in Dallas win a championship before the Cowboys

Dave Clarke: 44:02

so there you go. I think they already have though that third party whatever and if

Rob Kelly: 44:06

someone said that

Dave Clarke: 44:10

sorry, I was missing the point right there the my point I was gonna make I think the difference if Luca was to play at his level, I think the difference between him and be honest is that every time he was pulled up for a jump shot, you're like, Oh, thank God. Every time Luca pulls up for a jump shot, you're laid off. So that's a fact and he could also like make moves inside he's be Yeah, I mean, he's not better than Jonas but it might be harder to play against and if that makes sense if both things can be true then I think that that might be true like you worked so hard to play against I don't know Well, look, we're

Rob Kelly: 44:43

definitely we're definitely so far ahead of us

Dave Clarke: 44:45

right now. Our way into it fucking corner here. I think that we could wrap it up there you Yeah, we were like Okay, so we're playing on the moon. It dude they were Zero Gravity Boots. Like, what's the rule? Like, it's like, it's like that room of like, Charlie, Dave. Book and things like posted up on the wall with like, a cigarette.

Rob Kelly: 45:08

He's like, figuring out as soft gasoline.

Dave Clarke: 45:12

That's us, though. You know, they let just me and you do a podcast together without any adults in the room. Then we will just declare ourselves winners of the series and the replay of

Rob Kelly: 45:21

the book. Just give us the ring.

Dave Clarke: 45:25

It's like hey, Damon, Bobby. It was really good and useful, but I don't know if we're really ready for you to play in the parade route. It's good to have it's really good to have i It's good to know where we're going.

Rob Kelly: 45:35

So So let's put a stamp on it is like listen, this team has actual championship as separations Okay, and I think it's time I just think it's time for people to start fucking recognizing that okay, this isn't this isn't no longer Lego you see this isn't the same fucking Celtics everyone

Dave Clarke: 45:54

weighed the value off not your grandmother so wake the fuck up this team is special

Rob Kelly: 45:59

this team is real and it fucking on it's on Boehner 18 Okay, it could be coming to the rafter let's fucking go

Dave Clarke: 46:08

man I love it I'm fucking fired up on that note the Miami Heat certainly know that and they've learned that after game one that's not fucking around thing just went both ways for missing the point I am DK sizzle here with real BK Bob Kelly and can't wait to talk to you after a hopeful game three win. All right. Have a good one