Boston Celtics Trade Deadline Special

Craig D'Alessandro: 0:24

On this episode of missing the point, it's the Boston Celtics trade deadline special mile we know Danny Ainge is most likely won't make any moves of substance at the 2021 NBA trade deadline, we look at the latest rumors connecting the Celtics to players like the Orlando Magic sport Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier and Sacramento Kings forward Harrison Barnes Well, the Celtics be able to improve their rosters we had full steam towards the NBA playoffs, or will they tread water and try to sneak into the playoffs with a fringe roster? And hey, what are we so protective of Brad Stevens, this is missing the point, Episode 47. But it's all relative.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:14

Welcome into another edition of missing the point I'm your host, Michael Mark angele joined alongside by the real BK Bob Kelly and the Hollywood walay ratio on Buchanan. And today, we are talking about the Boston Celtics trade rumors and the absolute shit in the soul of the season that they are in the midst of so far. So this the paint the picture, as it currently stands right now they see the number eight seed in the Eastern Conference. So I'm gonna open it up to rayshawn first ratio has been equally as let's say now I'd say some people say negative i would say as you know, he's been very impartial about the Celtics since their playoff disaster last year, rayshawn 21 and 22 is negative as you were about them, and addressing the flaws that you knew that they had. Are they worse than you thought they would be?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 2:04

Oh, absolutely. I mean, especially when they started, you know, 73 to start the year. And, you know, I felt like we were really we were feeling pretty good. You know, Bob is getting a million likes on Instagram about his paying per share posts, you know, you can go back and check that on our Instagram page and you know, missing the point. But it was unbelievable how how much things have changed drastically since then. So whether is you know, Tatum getting COVID you know, kemba not starting off the season COVID and kemba. Coming back, we're not playing back to backs, brash demons essentially, you know, having like the monstars still his coaching ability all of a sudden, so we didn't get that necessary, Sharon reference, but it was just like, it's unbelievable how much they have fallen from, you know, really from prominence. And, I mean, I'm at a point now where I'm just ready for a change. So if it's a major shake up, I'm here for it. And that and this is a quote unquote, heartache, but I'm ready to try it, whoever. And I have not said that in a while. I'm ready to share whoever, whoever whoever wants to be here and actually play and play hard and play with it and do it do what's required, excuse me to do what's required of being in the city. We got to take it seriously. And right now, I don't know if there's anybody on this team, that that takes it seriously and really wants to win. So you know, Bobby, what about you, brother?

Rob Kelly: 3:15

Yeah, no, I completely agree that so I compare it with so when you say that major shake up. I've been thinking about this. And the major shake up that needs to happen is this reminds me a lot of it was a 2011 2012 Red Sox, where they had all the talent in the world, man. They had everything. But they just something was wrong. You know what I mean? It was just off. There was things just not going right with the team. There mismanage so many things that Bobby, Bobby, well, yeah, that'll do it.

Michael Marcangelo: 3:44

I'll do it. But

Rob Kelly: 3:45

we had to trade serious talent just because we needed to shake things up. You know what I mean? We needed to get big names out of this roster of big guys out of here, just to change the chemistry just to change what's happening. And I really do feel like we're getting to that point, because I'm being honest. I can't even watch the Celtics anymore. I legitimately can't watch this team anymore. They're so frustrating to watch. And you guys don't I'm a basketball purist. I love watching that good basketball. I literally sat down and watch college basketball for the last 72 straight hours. But I can't watch a single Celtics game. That's how bad it's gotten. It's brutal man so bad.

Michael Marcangelo: 4:24

So I think when you think about it, right, because Ray, you mentioned that they did have a really good start. They have since January. January was the last calendar month that they posted a winning record. And they were seven and six. In February. There were seven and nine. Currently there are four and five. Right? What? What is it? Because if you're asking me just as a basketball fan with eyes, they're not listening to Brad. Because I want to say that Yeah, Brad is part of the problem. And he sure he is so is Danny. But at the end of the day, don't you have to have pride as a player as a professional basketball player to go out there and to show up in the fourth quarter of games.

Rob Kelly: 5:04

Yeah, absolutely.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 5:05

I mean, yeah, absolutely.

Rob Kelly: 5:07

Like we just said, See, we said we're gonna great we just said the same exact thing. That's perfect. Now, when it comes down to is like what what we talked about with Dan Shaughnessy, either in a future or past episode, not sure what it'll be at this point, but good recall. But so you Know what I mean? Like, it's just the softness of this team. You know what I mean? Like that's the big thing that stands out about this team is how soft they are. And when it comes down to it when it's not checking time, they're not absolutely vanish when it comes to the Brad thing is like, they're not I don't even know if it's they're not listening to Brad. Or if it's that they don't I guess it's not they're listening to Brad. I was gonna say they don't have faith in what he's saying anymore, but that's the same thing. So yeah, no, they're not listening to him whatsoever. I mean, you really think Brad's telling Tatum and brown to go out there and just take turns and play hero ball but

Rayshawn Buchanan: 6:00

that but that Okay, so that's what that's what bothers me that there's fans I had a really believe that shit. That's what really guys do. That really grinds my gears. That's what gets me upset. Because I hate saying this. Yeah, it's like, Oh, come on right now. Nobody's just like, Oh, come on. Come on. You know if I like it a reference. I know. I don't worry, Craig. I'll get better with future All

Rob Kelly: 6:21

right, man.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 6:23

So far, it's, it's Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah, it's just unbelievable. I can't even I can't even put words and I can't even get full sentences at this moment. But I want to make a point. I think Mike brought it up. But if he didn't, whatever, I'll bring it up. Now this team kind of reminded of that early paracel Walker days so obviously that team then I mean, that team was like 36 to 46 in the old the 2000 almost season going again pierced to get stabbed and you know, he came back a few days later, which is insane. So once again, get tougher this man this man stabbed mister got stabbed nine times. And still average 25 per game. Just these guys get a get a sprained wrist and their alpha six weeks, but don't get me started. You know. So that's a whole nother conversation for another day. But that was a team that was kind of climbing. And then you know, they got the old 102 season. I think they go 49 to 33. They make the conference finals. You know, they go through Philadelphia, they beat Detroit and you know two teams that won 50 games that year. But then Danny Ainge comes in like a year or two later, and the first thing he does is ships out answer one. And I remember like, Man, what are you doing? You said

Rob Kelly: 7:30

Dallas,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 7:31

right, Dallas yet? is also Atlanta. But yeah, monitor. Dallas. Atlanta rave? Yeah, for Rafe, a flow friends. rave? Oh, God, you know, I'm not gonna go down. But yet I was on I was so bad. But I remember being pestered. I'm just like, but you know what, Danny, I'm gonna be pissed at that. But I want you to, I want you to give back to that moment. I want you to have balls to say we're going to trade the second best player. So if that's the case, you have to trade Jalen Brown. Hey, didn't do it to the friends obviously. But I'm saying like, that's we talked about off the air. If that takes you getting a john Collins back and you get you know Bogdanovich or you trade to get versification in an era Gordon, then who knows, maybe you have to do that. But you something has to happen. And once again, I notice how that sounds off the wall. So for those that when you listen to this, and you think I'm out of my mind, that's fine. We thank you for listening, but it's just like something that says something has to happen. Bless it. This really reminds me of that early 2000 software team that had two all stars that had decent talent around them. Kenny Walker and Kenny Walker. They've been up so big old school, Kenny Anderson, you know, what was our quote unquote kemba you know, an older guy, you know, who didn't he was basically on his last leg, so to speak, and you know, they didn't have much around them and they find a way to get to the conference finals but like I said shakeup has to happen and if it doesn't happen, you know, you know, some has needs to roll

Michael Marcangelo: 8:59

is Aaron Gordon enough. So, the subject right now and they look like they look like they are the front runners in the garden sweepstakes. I'm just quoting an article from CBS Sports calm, not a sponsor or an affiliate, a source of knowledge that the Gordon talks to the Celtics have indeed put two first round picks on the table, and at the framework of the deal would also include magic garden freeagent Evan Fournier heading to the Celtics. This means that Marcus smart has gone to if that trade right now if you can do it, do you do it

Rayshawn Buchanan: 9:28

yet? Yes. But Bless you. I know I'm allergic to the bullshit. No, no, it's amazing. Yeah, I would do it only the only thing I'm nervous about maybe clearly Bobby's nervous server, he just sneezed on the show, but maybe, you know, 48 at 17 for the rest of the year, and he's a free agent. And then Eric Gordon is 18 mil a year for the next two years. So I guess you're taking off 48 just to get Gordon in that regard. But my thing is, do you envision for an ad to be a long term, you know, part of the team? If so then yeah, you definitely do it. But at this moment, I know Dan is all about control. And if you can get somebody that's controlled for at least another year or two, and you know, get them into the program, get them into the system and kind of see that things are random Boston, then we'll see. But, I mean, just from a talent standpoint, yeah. I mean, I would look at the phony deal. And I have to say just to the Boston Celtics faithful, but I'm part of it. I love each and every one of you. Well, not all of you, but some of you want to Twitter Absolutely. But once again, So thank you for listening though and we tweeting as underscore MCP. But it's crazy how people don't want to let go of Marcus smart. And once again I get it he should embody what the city is about playing hard, playing good defense, and religious a stand up guy. He's our progeria. podria was like that for a number of years, you know, so that was hard nosed hardcore. was never the best player on the Red Sox was somebody you like, okay? You look at that if you if you ask somebody who embodies the rest of who embodies Boston, and it's like, oh, number 15. for joy like that, that is the guy, we would look into Celtics number 36 marks, right. That's what embodies Boston. But now, when you're all for 21 in class time for three pointer, and you're still shooting it like you're like you're raising Miller and clutch time is the joke. And, you know, it's sad. So at this moment of time, it may be time for him to go and some other people to go so Romeo llevo can go a gypsy, you know, he came off a great game last night, I guess methods as we're recording this on a Tuesday night. He had a great game in Memphis. He was phenomenal. But once again, his ass can go to anybody that's really not named Jalen brown or they said even though I talked about Jalen brown can go like if you have to keep those two darling no one's gonna say no to keeping those two but everybody else can go then it could go but Groesbeck can go Steve hell you could go

Craig D'Alessandro: 11:43

my Garmin can go

Rayshawn Buchanan: 11:45

get by Garmin No, I'm joking. No, no you're a great buy go I'm sorry. You're the best book

Rob Kelly: 11:53

on it and I could never live without the gods Come on.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 11:56

Oh, yeah. That's awesome. Whoever whoever was associated can go Austin as everybody can go see you later. I'm done.

Rob Kelly: 12:03

When it comes to Aaron Gordon, okay, so I'm not against trading market smart. I'm really not. Aaron Gordon, and Forney are not the right guys to be trading market smart for Okay, if it's just if the Celtics are going to make a move to me, it needs to be for a score. It needs to be for a wing. Someone that can score and play defense and I just don't see Aaron Gordon being that dynamic score. He's He's good. But I don't think he's good enough to give up the intangibles that smart brains. I think that there's I go the route that you said. No, I was like I said I'm not against trading market smart. Alright, the over 20 ones I'm all set with that. I really am. But Aaron Gordon put Aaron Gordon's gonna shoot two for 10 from inside the ark so it's like what

Rayshawn Buchanan: 12:49

40% from three he says 40% 40%

Rob Kelly: 12:52

from three notions guys

Rayshawn Buchanan: 12:53

guess what, I guess numbers I didn't know that. 14.7 rebounds. 40% from three bring his ass here. Come on to Boston. I will come get you from Logan Airport myself Aragorn and please

Rob Kelly: 13:04

Okay, so so instead of 40 or then there's so I was gonna go

Rayshawn Buchanan: 13:10

when you both

Rob Kelly: 13:10

I like Terrence Ross. I love Terrence Ross man. I think Terrence Ross is would be a great player on this team. I think you'd be exactly what they need. He can come in and give you 12 points off the bench. instantly. He shoots three right at 36% clip little worse than Gordon which I didn't realize is when can Aaron Gordon shoot is that recent is that this year he developed that or the past

Rayshawn Buchanan: 13:32

years is this year. Okay, I'm here for it.

Rob Kelly: 13:36

So I'm not crazy that he couldn't shoot before this year though, right? This is like

Rayshawn Buchanan: 13:41

he's he's got he's gotten better. I mean, I don't know the numbers off the top of my head but because I've been doing the research as Mike brought up to us having this idea before I was just saying that you know, yeah, like okay, like he shows 40% like that, to me is a no brainer. And to me he's he's What? You know, he's Blake Griffin 2.0 right. He obviously we know from slam dunk concert ticket jump out the building. And this team lacks athleticism like it just they just do a great they need a guy they need a guy that can jump off the building outside of Rob Williams because you imagine those guys are out there and you're saying Okay, and now you can spread out Tatum brown whoever and you're thrown into law have to roll with Aaron Gordon. So now you can actually get points in the paint and not give up at like you did to Memphis on Monday night

Rob Kelly: 14:22

All right. Yeah, you can you can vent today

Rayshawn Buchanan: 14:24

Yeah, let's do you know saying so yeah. I do like the Terrence Ross would be good too. But I know Forney is another wing he's also seems like he's about six seven I think another one that just show he's gonna get you 15 to 16 the game as well. So between those two gods are starting points there between them right but this team just needs to they need to add as much talent as possible. So they're starting five newsflash Celtics fans, the starting five really wasn't a problem. It's the bench to best serve both trash, but starter whatever language you want to use, as far as it's insane. So they need to add to the bench. I love paying Pritchett. He's really the only viable I'll show I can really think of off the bench. Teague is not the answer. I mean, I said obviously time or time or you know he's become really a staple of the team so I love to see his progress but you know the Russell's guys like you know Neil Smith doesn't play enough. Romeo Langford has as many minutes as I do this year he says there was a joke I'm trying to say who else you know, okay and top taco fall. Okay, that Dave de DK I love you big dawg. You I know you're gonna be mad at me for saying this because I know you got anatomy In our groups that when I said this taco fall is a sideshow right now, is a sideshow. He's only in there when the Celtics are getting smacked, or they're smacking someone else. So there's got to be something in the middle. Because even you know, even you know, Bobby's boy, Brad Stevens gets on there. I forget what game was. It had to be about two or three games ago, when it was talking about kind of changing the pace and he's like, yeah, you know, we'll come to think of it now. You know, I think I should have put tacos earlier. Yo, fucking Thank you. Thank and I don't even swear like that. So you guys is like, you know, I'm upset. I don't feel like that on the show. But are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? You think that you should have taught me? Maybe I should have put them in the game? Yeah, cuz he's on the freakin team. Brian, what are we doing the fact that he's sitting on a bench like me? When Glen games matter is a problem. As a problem, even on my one foot, I'm tripping somebody. I'm holding somebody. I'm doing something to make sure that we either win the game, or like be just be competitive. Be smart, Brad, like, be the guy that got you this job. But the problem is, you've been a horseshoes coach ever since Butler ever since Gordon Hayward missed those two shots back then. You come here you're an almost doesn't count type of guy. That's the problem. You're all about horseshoe. So I'm calling you horses from now on. It's not like a Porsche is almost a horse shoes is a problem. Horses has to go. I'm done. Yeah, I'm done horses. Go Go back to Indiana. Go back to Bloomington and be bobby knight Jr. Well, you never be back. Because you're not gonna you're not gonna throw throw. You might throw some you

Rob Kelly: 16:52

might throw a chair so lands under his struggling players buttoned down lightly and take a nice seat on the bench. You can cap them on the back and be like, it's okay.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 17:02

I know you got a 1.4 GPA big guy, but you're gonna turn around tomorrow. You're gonna turn it around. Listen.

Rob Kelly: 17:08

You are our guy. Who's our guy. We ride or die with bamboo baby rider

Rayshawn Buchanan: 17:13

die we can Yeah. Oh, God.

Michael Marcangelo: 17:15

Oh, Ray. Ray. Just remember your pressure points. You'd whoosah Okay, like that was a lot. Now. Now.

Craig D'Alessandro: 17:24

I got I got some blood pressure pills in the back. That was awesome. That was not a sponsored joke. Now, Bobby.

Michael Marcangelo: 17:32

Ray just said a lot. Everything that he said, I believe is fundamentally true. So I'm gonna ask you this question. If they do pull off the move, and for Gordon and even include the individual that you mentioned, there was eight minutes ago, and it was I don't remember who it was. But if they do that, is that transformational enough of a move to bring them back to even where they were last year? Or would they just be making your trade to make a trade at this point.

Rob Kelly: 17:58

So I feel like it could be so the more I thought about it, and more I worked out more about Aaron Gordon here. I loved Aaron Gordon coming out of college and things if they do get him they could go back to the defense's that we saw with the Celtics that made them so special, where anyone could switch on anyone, anyone can cover anyone, there is no 1234 or five, it's just five guys on the court. You cover who you can cover. And that's when the Celtics were at their best, you look back at the teams with like, you know, last year with our run up into the Eastern Conference Finals the year before, where literally every single person on the floor could switch to anyone and it wasn't a defensive matchup or it wasn't a defensive mismatch. And that's what Aaron Gordon would bring. I don't know if it would bring him to compete with the Nets because the nets to me are by far and away the best.

Michael Marcangelo: 18:47

Don't worry about the Nets right now. season ends today you play Philadelphia as it's currently constituted. Do you beat them? No. Don't worry about that.

Rob Kelly: 19:00

But bringing these guys in doesn't I don't even think bringing those guys in makes us beat the sexes either. If mbeadh is healthy, if embued is healthy,

Michael Marcangelo: 19:07

you have to have

Rayshawn Buchanan: 19:09

you cannot keep you cannot punt on the season. You know, you cannot be Jake Bailey and this. We don't have there's no.

Rob Kelly: 19:15

Like I said ago so we're we can't do this bullshit anymore. We don't know. The same shit night and night out like something's got to agree whether it's Aaron Gordon, whether it's someone, something needs to change, because I'm not watching. I'm not watching this team on the floor anymore. I'm literally not watching them. So something's got to change.

Michael Marcangelo: 19:36

I agree with you.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 19:37

And we played Milwaukee twice this week. Oh, on average, they probably would be at our ass by 20 at least each night. Take that for data. The thing was though they don't beat us by 20 at least. So both nights Wednesday night and Friday. They're going to beat our ads, it's going to be out of control.

Rob Kelly: 19:53

The thing is, though, is like I don't know if they will because that's not the way the Celtics team rolls is when it comes to a team that's good. They play like the team that we think they can beat. But when it comes to shitty teams, that's when we see this bullshit and and they're so soft. They are the epitome of playing to your opponent because we've seen them beat some of the better teams in the league. But we've also seen them move to some pitiful basketball teams. So it's Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 20:23

I'll be shocked. I'm sorry, I'll be shocked. I like to me if they if the score is 114 to one or two, like, I'll be happy. Could I miss anything get completely thrashed. Like, it's like it's a joke. Like, I mean, Joe was laughing about it the other night with me when he was talking about I said, I lose by 20. And then Joe suddenly wrote, oh, they lost my son. And I'm like, Well, thanks, Joe. But I feel so much better. They lost points. Like, are you kidding me? Like, it's a joke. It's a joke. Like, I no longer expect them to win a game. That's where I'm at right now. Like, so they went 21 and 51 I wouldn't be shocked because it's just like, I don't expect them. Like there's T and they brought it up on the broadcast. Most of them were not a part of that, but you know, they want to hire us. Hey, we're available if I actually blew that scow Gorman, we're not for it because Forsberg is like the bobby of that show for his board Really? Really? He still optimistic about this? others just like Dude, like, just write your articles and just say out the way like a sub admit today sub Forsberg. It's okay. It's okay to say to their trash. It's okay. I'm late but he's like you know, you gotta gotta stay gotta stay the course got to do is you can't trademark a smart no Chris force where you can. And I'm going to write to you on Twitter again, like I did yesterday about them being charged. I'm going to keep writing to you. And today let go of Marcus man. I just had to get that off my chest. But yeah, man, Listen, man, I don't expect this team to win any game. Like I think teams really could This is my point. I want to say that I forgot it that quickly. But team teams are coming in. Like you said, I'm saying a lot, Mike. I'm talking a lot. But I'm back. But I've been out of it. But I'm back. So I'm getting better than ever. But anyways, teams are coming into the fourth quarter, whether they're down 10 or up 10. And they're saying is over. Think about what I just said no public that's listening to the show, as you listen to this show are wonderful voices. They're down 10 or up 10. And tape is saying it's over. We got this. That's insane. That's why that should never happen. It's actually never

Michael Marcangelo: 22:18

actually probably more likely that if the salaries are up by 10. At the start of the fourth quarter, the opposing team feels better about the outcome of this game.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 22:26

It's no but I'm saying it's either way it's either way. And that's comical. Tina, Tina, Tina could be downtown or uptown and just like Well, that didn't happen to play the percentages because that's what Scott brought up during the broadcast. He said he was not going to defend in the fourth. It's almost like okay, well, cool. We kept we entertained the fans for three quarters. All right. We could lose by 20. Now, like I told someone the other night I forget which game it was. I went to the bathroom it was down to I want you to bathroom. I come out. They're down. 105 296 I said what? In a matter of 45 seconds. Are you kidding me? I go to the bed. I grab water. I sit back down. What's my one leg? You know you I'm hobbling around right now. So and I'm like I say Damn. I'm a lot I'm lost for words. I said you were just down one. You were just down one. And it was I was over we quit. Like this is a joke. I saw you horseshoes is your fault. horseshoes. This is your fault horse shoes. You get there and you missed it by that much. It's like that old commercial you missed it by that much.

Michael Marcangelo: 23:29

So I don't want to interrupt. I don't want to interrupt your what's your audition reel right because this is fantastic but my question as a Christian as to why they would do they make a move down? Mike what I here's my real question. Do you trust Danny more in a trade in season or offseason? Do you trust his ability to acquire talent during the season? More or after the season's over? Because name besides it he's never ever ever hit on a transformational I guess that's a that's a bad word to use. As he's never hit an elite player midseason. So I don't I don't know anything.

Rob Kelly: 24:16

Yeah, if anything, the deal he made backfired on him. The other one big deal he's made since he's been here backfired on him with a Jeff Green for Kendrick. Right. Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 24:25

Well, yeah, the bet. Right. Exactly. That was bad too. Well, no. Okay. I can't leave him out to defend horseshoes. 2.0. Because he's also horse. You know, he won. He got he brothers habersham here. No. So he's our shoes. So now he wasn't here. But Danny saw the way the league was trending. And he said, Okay, guys, like perk. They're not going to be around much longer. And he was right. He was right. But but for the chemistry of that team on that particular team, that's still 156 games that people forget that just think the season was over that teams don't want 56 games in 2010 2011. And then Dwayne wave soft as broke Rondo's arm and they ended the series. But once again, we'll talk about that on Bobby's championship. rewrap at some point. So stay tuned for that. But it was unbelievable how that went. But he was he wasn't wrong. But like Mike said, it was the timing of it. Like they messed up the chemistry. But to this day, the best inseason trade he's had. Well, really two one was actually bring your back and Tom Walker. He did that. And then so and I actually I had his jersey back in the day. My guy, Ricky day, that was my guy love Ricky Davis. I mean, Tommy Heiser couldn't stand them God rest his soul. But Ricky Davis was my guy. I love Ricky, they saw that, you know, he didn't do much here. But I that was my guy,

Michael Marcangelo: 25:38

a few, a few correspondence somebody on a competing network loved Ricky Davis. But that wasn't my question, what I was telling you, what I was asking was just a trader, or a trader, Danny cat has never really hit has never really hit, midseason. So now knowing that you have you have, I think you have a chance, we know that they're not gonna go find the playoffs, right, there's actually even a chance that they could really, really fall below the threshold to make the playoffs. So for me, what do you do? Do you wait and just say, listen, we'll just gonna we're just gonna blow this whole thing up in the offseason when we can when he has more time to do it. Or do you go and say, yeah, Aaron Gordon, come on in. And then because I think what, what the worst case scenario is, is you pull off a trade like that, and you finish 3735.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 26:28

I mean, but that's still better than what we were thought they were like, I'm thinking they're gonna go, I'm thinking they go 21 and 5137 35 would be phenomenal. And I know that sounds outlandish. I know that sounds crazy. And someone will listen to this at comments that he's out of his mind. That's fine. Once again, it was Oh, thank you for listening. I don't think that you can't not even if it's a smaller show, like I told you all off the air about normal power. Like even you get some of the normal power, like you but you have to do something even this incremental that I that it trade back in 2015. That was the incremental trade for that team was kind of on the it was kind of up and down, up and down. They get it you know, he comes off the best of freshman games and then you know, Brian steps into the starting lineup and they take off but they get to the summer See, I mean, obviously they lost to Cleveland, but no one was being Cleveland when Brian coming back there and Kyrie and Kevin Love but that that's what happens. So if you have to do something, like it gets him a job, he has to find some that's going to get the same result and maybe Aaron Gordon and Fournier Aaron go into Ross, you go good john Collins, or you get in Norman Powell, like you have to have someone that's going to say, Okay, I'm playing like my life depended on it. And not thinking that I arrived just because I made the conference finals throughout the last four years. And that's how Jalen and Jason look at times. That's what's going on. That's

Michael Marcangelo: 27:38

what I was gonna say. And Bobby, I'll let you chime in here like that jolt that it gave a team was a team with no expectations with really no talent that they get like they got a guy that turned out to they turned out to be a pretty bonafide superstar in Boston, right it he had everything that he added he should have really built around him. Right now what you're doing is you have a team full of talent. That's just headed in the wrong direction. So does a midseason jolt, Bobby, does it change things?

Rob Kelly: 28:08

Yeah. I mean, so it goes back to what me and Ray were saying on the last Celtics pot we did where it's just right now. You have guys playing minutes that have no business playing the minutes and playing the significant roles that they're playing. Like the fact that we have Jeff Teague Aaron Naismith Daniel Tice. And I do want to grant Williams playing significant real minutes on this team is absolute garbage. So I completely agree with Ray where it's like something has to happen to take those guys down into the proper pecking order, even if it's just bringing in Norman Powell, which I like it knocked down the pecking order. So that way, you actually have guys playing in the sixth, seventh and eighth spot in your depth, that can actually make an impact on the game. Because right now, there's not a single person that comes off the Celtics bench that I'm happy about. There's not one person except for Payton Pritchard. He's

Michael Marcangelo: 29:03

the only one yeah, we know that

Rob Kelly: 29:04

right? But say, Listen, I made it this far without talking about him. That's how upset I am about this team right now is like even Prichard isn't a light at the end of the tunnel for me anymore because this is just because it's like Brad doesn't even fucking play him like you should he plays Che Guevara. He plays it's just mind blowing to me. What's happening the guys that are getting the minutes that they're getting. So yes, something needs to happen. Whether it's a buyout, whether it's someone needs to come in here and be inserted into this rotation because right now the way it's going, having guys that should be playing garbage time playing when it's 98 to 97 in the fourth quarter is not going to happen. It's not going to work. Greg Williams taking a shot with four minutes left in a game should never fucking happen in the NBA. Greg Williams should not he should not be doing that. You know what I mean? Like if Greg Williams spots up and there's under five minutes left, I'm turning the TV off I'm like fuck this I'm out of here.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 30:02

No, miss. Bobby, Bobby calm down pressure points, big guy pressure points well saw. It's about experience. That's all that matters is about experience. Right.

Rob Kelly: 30:12

It's about experience. It's about Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 30:14

it's about experience. You know, the young the young guys have to play they have to give better, you know, and they have to become one of brass guys. That's all it is.

Rob Kelly: 30:24

I just Can't wait

Rayshawn Buchanan: 30:25

for the horseshoe screw I know I get it.

Michael Marcangelo: 30:28

No no no horseshoe screws like to quote another mediocre coach never want anything you play to win the game to win

Rayshawn Buchanan: 30:38

Yeah, DK we listen to this bring back the NFL show but I'm ready for myself now I'm ready for I'm gonna we haven't done that we got to bring that back. But yeah, yeah but I love that quote though cuz you do you play it. You understand that horseshoes you play to win the game you don't play to be up 97 and

Rob Kelly: 30:58

he didn't go. He likes what they did. Yeah,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 31:00

I like no, you know? Yeah, we lost. We lost. We lost by at 90 points. But you know, I mean last week was eight It was 96. So you know, I think we're gonna we're heading in the right direction. But hey, listen to keep giving us content, horseshoes. We appreciate you you know, you're no longer boy wonder you no longer the guy I want at the helm. You want

Michael Marcangelo: 31:20

him out?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 31:21

I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. You know, I'm over. So

Craig D'Alessandro: 31:25

so my thing is, and I know it's Whoa, I know. I know. Craig's actually showed Oh, I know Craig for basketball show. So with I feel like the NBA like any other team. When you have players of the caliber that the Celtics have right now. You know, when when talks come up, like time to fire the coach or like, all right, it seems like a Boston can't fire Brad Stevens can't touch up. Any other team in this league? They're

Michael Marcangelo: 31:55

like, Alright, see a kid. I don't even know who the head coach of the Lakers are. I don't know who the head coach of the nets are. But it seems like you know, you set your ass if they had to all stars under the age of 25. And they were 21 and 22. You'd know their name because you read it on the four letter network and they were just terminated and future endeavored. They will not do it here. And my hot take of the day. Although it might not be that hard to take. Danny likes Brad because Brad lets Danny be Danny. Danny. I don't think Brad plays any part in trade negotiations or any of that. Doc did. Danny did not like that. It got to a point where doc wanted to impart ourselves if if you want him to cook the dinner. At least let him buy the groceries. Right? Same shit. I don't think Brad Stevens has any interest in doing that. So it fits Danny Ainge his narrative right now. But they're losing and it's not working anymore. And he lost the room.

Rob Kelly: 32:55

You know who that sounds like? Sounds like the Dallas Cowboys to me. Sounds like Jason Garrett. Being the guy that he just sits there says yes, yes, yes. And yes, that's why he's here, Greg. I couldn't agree. I don't think I've ever agreed as a basketball take you've had more in my entire life. Like that. That was so spot on, bro. Because I mean, right me, right. We're talking about this. Literally, we were talking about this a few days ago. Man, I texted you right and was like, Listen, if Brad gets to the end of the season, and he get and this is what we have, right? This is how it goes rest of the year everything like that. In my opinion section like he has to be gone. Right?

Craig D'Alessandro: 33:34

It To me, it just seems like why is he to me it just seems like why is he this golden calf? If this is the Lakers if this is Milwaukee, if this is the nets, this is the Lakers or something like that. Miami, even Erik Spoelstra down there. Who cares? It's the play.

Michael Marcangelo: 33:50

But here it seems like up can't touch Brad Stevens you can eat a basketball genius started jump on you're here right but again, this happened a lot tonight. I apologize. But I think it's because he knows that if Danny and if he decides to blow it all up, Brad can get a better response out of a team full of nobodies and and make them watchable and likeable and excel and develop them then he can with the team of all stars. So it's really a win win situation for Danny, except it's not right now. Right? He can blow it up, Brad's gonna out coach them, he's going to he's going to make them outperform to their potential and their talent. But if he ever wants to win a championship, he needs either the holy needs to collapse in a season where you do not have the talent to beat teams or need to you need to remove bread.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 34:42

But you know, you know what's crazy and EMI we just spent, you know, however minutes you know, going in going off especially you know, you're surely but wouldn't it be the most selfish thing for them to be a fsid and do what the Knicks did in 99 and make the finals as the AFC Wouldn't it just be that it would be totally solved just to come in there we have Alan Houston type moment when he is the game winner over at Tim Hardaway back in the day was that's one of the best series of all time, if you go back in time you go watch that, but like it would be the most selfish thing to be in a fsid you know, just fight that you're fighting. You're fighting, you're fighting, and then you beat failures, the one seed you know, I don't know how they would play in the second round, but they you beat that team and then you find a way to get to the final so that would be the most selfish thing. I probably would have no Hair by then. It's like, oh my god. It's unbelievable. So, yeah, I mean horseshoes. I don't know, man. Like, I'm at my wit's end with your shoes, but I'm hoping I'm praying. I'm pleading I'm begging whatever word you want to put with that. I just need something to happen. Like not not next week. Not in two years. Right now.

Michael Marcangelo: 35:45

All right, got a gun to your head. Bobby. Do the Celtics make a deal at the deadline?

Rob Kelly: 35:50

Yeah, yeah, I think they do. I know, every year we hear these rumors. But I feel like this year is a little different, where it's not just like, oh, they're interested, we're actually talking deals that are on the table, and things like that for this team right now. I do think a move is coming. I actually was reading something saying that if the Celtics weren't interested in other players, Aaron Gordon would probably already be here. But the fact is that the Celtics do want to make other moves. So they're trying to get third teams involved. They're trying to do other things to add on to that. So I do think that something is coming. I don't know how much is gonna help. I don't know if Brad is going to be the guy that can even get this team even with him move to that level. But yeah, I'm moving on.

Michael Marcangelo: 36:34

What you just said that little snippet that you just said about the Celtics wanting to get another like a third team involved, is the exact reason why I do not think anything's gonna happen. I think, Danny, for some reason, he just doesn't want to deal with one other team with one other team. He wants. Well, I'll train with our Lando and as long as Atlanta gets involved, and then they can get this and we can get that dude if you want to read Gordon, just go fucking Get him. Get him. That way. We're not reading Friday afternoon about all the reasons as to why this trade did not go through. I don't think they're going to trade I think Friday afternoon. I hope I'm wrong. Please, if I am wrong, share this with all your friends and say listen to this moron talk about basketball. But I have a sneaking suspicion. Friday afternoon the starting lineup for your Boston Celtics will very much resemble the starting lineup from no

Rayshawn Buchanan: 37:21

but no, I want to keep I want to add on to Craig's point because I said it really was profound. I don't know man. First that golden calf thing. Let's just make it plain and simple. Bill Belichick has won six and after him going to seven nine last year, folks was at Gillette Stadium knocking on a door outside of Red Robin and it's like yo you got to go yos so it's like so if they're there so if people are at Red Robin and you're at patriot place having the time in their lives and enjoying the Patriot experience at patriots pro shop we thank you for coming into the Patriots pro shop there that's what that's what that's what's going on people was outside with the pitchforks ready to get bill out of there. So if bill is not not answerable to folks within horseshoes is good to get the Celtics fans immediately get it together like now like if you if bill was on the hot seat to go 79 you know because you let go the greatest quarterback of all time walk you know literally walk down to Tampa and he wins another Super Bowl. What makes you think that horseshoe is is not untouchable? I just I don't I don't understand that so you know get it together. horse shoes I said I'm done with you. Let's say you would no longer be known to me as Brad Stevens you know even though you know your initials do fit what's going on with this others it is a bunch of BS but yeah, I'm just I'm I'm here for it. Like say your horse shows you got to go. I'm done. So

Rob Kelly: 38:41

like you bring up the thing that they think is untouchable. All this. They think everyone's untouchable. That's right. Oh, it's like it's like,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:49

oh my god, I

Rob Kelly: 38:50

need to make a trade but but do you do not trade?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:54

I know that's not good.

Michael Marcangelo: 38:55

It's snuck in a little for you though Bobby earlier that you're like well, I don't know if I would trade Marcus for that.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:00

Well, he was saying for those guys. Not necessarily he was saying for those guys. Not in general just for those guys.

Rob Kelly: 39:05

But he convinced me he convinced me Listen, the more I look into orange Gordon, the more I'm into it now. I didn't think he could shoot I could shoot if Aaron Gordon can shoot. He is the kind of guy we need because he's athletic. He's big. He's strong. And if he can shoot the ball, that's a game changer right there. So

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:22

I mean honestly, I still read the full submission we didn't bring his name up those the fish to me. That's my kind of guy. Some of his son, you know, he's a little bigger than Gordon. Now obviously he's not as mobile as Gordon. But you know, someone has gained 24 and 10 pieces. Well, from the three he rebounds really well, like that. His spacing on the floor would help Jalen Could you bring your bringing out I mean, granted, you're not going to face everybody go Barry, we'd have night but save save. You're fighting. You're playing in Philly. And now NBA got a guard on the three point line. Now Tatum and brown and walker or whoever got they have more driving lanes now. Right? So to me, that's what you have to think about. You can't think about well, you can't think about game 45 we're like well, we trade for soul. So right now I mean, I'd be good. You got to think about if I make the playoffs and we face this particular team can be creating matchup is going to work in our favor. Or you could go back to October and you know one shout out to DK I'll give you credit for this. You go back you don't do to Chester Thompson signing. You say you know what, I'm just going to go get Myles Turner, who can block shots but also hit threes. So sometimes Gotta give here. Someone's got to give up, but we'll see what I mean.

Michael Marcangelo: 40:28

That'll do it. So thank you everyone for tuning into this episode of Celtic pride. I mean, we had a really good time of just everything is just so you guys are so happier. So, for ratio of UK in the UK Bob Kelly Craig D'Alessandro. Thank you all for listening to this edition of missing the point.