Checking in on the Bruins and Celtics Offseason

Mike: 0:06

Welcome in the midst of the point. I'm Mike Marcangelo, joined by my guy Hollywood Ray Sean Cannon. Today we're talking the Celtics, jordan Walsh, nba Cup and the Bruins Pothetic Offseason, but we're gonna lead off with the happy stuff. We'll get to the miserable stuff at the end. Ray, I saw the ticker this morning. Seems like you're buying a lot of Jordan Walsh stocked in the summer league, so what about him as the most impressive to you?

Rayshawn: 0:33

I think he seems like he's never sped up. He defends the way I feel like he's the NBA defender already. I remember that kind of being the narrative about a former Celtic, avery Bradley, when he came out back in 2010. But he faces hard to teach and obviously you know, looked up players that were worried about their offense and getting the numbers and you know just basically how can they have been denied from day one. He's really rooted and committed to be a guy. That's habit on defense and, with the loss that they've had recently, obviously a loser's smart, losing grand. They need guys that are gonna be in their role and, once again, not necessarily need the smart and grand work, but you know, can you be conditions on defense, you know can you guard multiple positions on the court and that's what he's been able to do. So you know, once again, the offense numbers have been awesome, but I've been impressed with how great he's been defensively and once again, when I'm about to say it, I'm not sure and the strategy is, I'm not the sexiest thing to talk about, but when they're on a fast break or when they're retreating back on defense, he fills the lane perfectly every single time and I can't overstate, understand what he wanted. I can't mention enough how much that's gonna be. I helped Jason and Jalen when he's out there with them and I think he's gonna have moments he's out there with them. We'll talk about that shortly With some other new additions, but yeah, he has showed up and showed out so far in the Summer League Showcase, so I'm hoping that it translates over to the regular season.

Mike: 2:14

Yeah, and I guess in your opinion do you think that he's a fit for a team that seems hell-bent on just jacking up threes Because his shooting he doesn't have the touch that. I'm sure he'll develop that right, but do you think he can carve out a niche for himself on this team?

Rayshawn: 2:35

So I think we talked about in Balance. I think you talked about that in the last couple of episodes. When you trade for first-ing, you bring in the saves and some of the guys that you know is gonna look at the scene. He's a slasher, yes, he is not afraid to shoot the shotler. He seems like a rhythm guy. So basically, the more shots he gets, the better hit was going to be. I wish it was the case with both players, but I mean, like some players get to take some shots and go five or seven, that may not be the case with him. I think he may need to shoot the game. Obviously he's not getting that on the scene and that's fine. But yeah, I just think that the way he, once again, he fills the lane perfectly. He's very good at cutting to the basket and, once again, I know Best Probably why DK will like him at some point when we talk to others later on the season. But yeah, you have to have that balance. So when he's out there, yeah, can he fill to the corner or build to the corner and shoot a corner, sure, but can he also dive to the basket when they see someone you know doubling Jason or doubling Jaylin. I think that's where he's gonna be used most and that's where I think he's gonna be able to see the floor the most is because he's gonna be somewhere that could cut through the zone and get to the cup.

Mike: 3:55

You think he's actually started a competition between him and Brasette for a grand spawn or roll. I think that it based on I know it's early, right, it's just some, really, I get it, but it feels like there's there is a ground swell amongst Celtics fans that he could play I don't know 12 or 14 minutes a night and actually have meaningful minutes.

Rayshawn: 4:17

I mean that won't have to happen. I mean once again, I just said it on port that there, without the Delano ban sign, which is the Blinder DeGuy from Toronto last week, there are about 4.3 million underneath there. Whatever that second eight winners I don't know how much money that is before they go over, but either way, once that signing of bands have become officials, they'll be either be right at the second apron or right under. So there's not many moves that happen able to. They will be doing, unless they use that exception that they got in the Grand Williams Delta Dallas. So yeah, I mean I think that if you can get total 15 minutes and that would be a steal at this time, you know Jason and Jaylin are playing 35 more minutes and snow the playoffs. Well, you know, I know that's not gonna happen, especially with Tatum Tatum. He barely misses games, if at all, and he's a throwback player in the sense that he wants to be out there for all eight minutes. That's sometimes to his own detriment, but he just wants to play, so I'm not gonna knock it for that. So I know I'm gonna say, oh, that's crazy. You know he plays 75 games, it's okay, but it's like no, you can't have it both ways. You can't say, oh, you know you get mad at Kawhi, other players for doing a low management, but you know you get annoyed and it's like we're kidding, I'm being someone who's available, but you just say I think, yeah, walsh, if I say, if he get carbon, it's on the team offensively and even just have a hit, a couple throws a game, like Grand did when he did play. Okay, yeah, I think that's something like they need to look into, maybe not total 15, but maybe eight minutes at night right now, and then you obviously, you know, maybe do a spot start or whatever I see is mature. I don't know if you see any of his press moves after and some of the games, but yeah, he seems very mature. You know, for a nice new word, just like Tatum was, when he's nine years old I'm there, she had the same birthday apparently, so they both like they're both people, teams I've watched, but yeah, I'm, I'm excited to see him in this in his rotation and he's gonna be a fair, fair right away so you know you've been high on a couple of summer league players before that haven't really panned out, so how do you know that this is different? because defense wins-wins. So everyone knows, yeah, I gave you this, I was you, which I'm crossing. That was. I was like that. I thought first never gonna be like another, like IT type player, so we want to snipe it. I think if I don't know who was on the show yet when this happened, because it was 29, feel we got drafted, but previously the game he gets 30 against Cleveland has like a three, this like five, and it was in a row and you know we had just started talking a lot again before you eventually did a show. I think you actually posted.

Mike: 7:10

Carson Edwards has arrived.

Rayshawn: 7:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. The stock was through the roof like I. I was buying houses. I was, you know, I had the campaign posters ready, like I was. I was, I was leader of the bandwagon and it's unfortunate that thought that he could have been at least a decent pro, someone that could have like a, like a microwave off the bench. But you know he was, he was a liability defensively and then he was a super streaky shooter. So if he wasn't getting it, if he didn't hit his first and second shot in the game, he essentially was out of me because he wasn't gonna give much effort on either side of the basketball. But on even to say I think, with this guy here him being about 670 and 6168 with a 17 weeks me, I just felt like, defensively he's already like okay, I know to enough to get to my guy, but then come help on the poster by need to and then get back out to my guy and so, once again, not to bring up old wounds. We saw it in game was a game for against Philly. What does Zaylin do? Or? What do you? What do you do they should have? Did he build? He came in to Joel and bead when him. Hitting the two point doesn't kill you, he doesn't build back out to hard and quick enough hard to history is game over. You know Philly is a tie in that series. So what I've seen for Jordan or so far, or dad, I feel like it's different from what they've done in the past makes got a guy that can defend and once again you need three and the guys in this league. Once again the guy on on the championship team, posey, jays, posey, that's so. That's what we were watching there already was again that that could be me, oh boy, and that could be out of control. But was again just defensively. He reminds me of posey and was again. Posey wasn't getting fish hit at night, he was getting maybe seven, eight points a night flying. Cool, we don't need the office. And defensively, that's what he reminds me of right now. Some people doing like Jermart rich and most of them might. I think that's a lot in my, but he's definitely competitive. I saw that. And listen, anytime that you can be LA, I don't care if it's summer league, I don't care if it's at the park, I don't care if it's at cryptocom BLA is always at the forefront. So he had his best game of summer league, la yesterday or whatever. That was 25 points, a rebounds, three assists. I was like, oh yeah, baby, let's get it. And remember you and I had the same conversation about Tatum. You know, I was like Tatum, game one. I remember. I remember when they played, I remember having like 27 points and I was like and I got flack. I said, yo, he's an NBA scorer, right, oh, it's summer league. I said he's an. I said when you're that tall and you move that, well, I'm telling you. I said, right now he's an NBA scorer. He just has to go up there and be healthy and do it every night. And once again, five years later, the man's the top five MVP candidate getting them and getting 30 and nights, for the first time since you know this legend, they burned. So it's just like you know. Once again you get that side of the spectrum. And again you get the Carson Networks, you get the Chumont Waters. You know, and it's like you know just to quick, aside that 2019 draft, man, it's tough right and they're all gone, right? So Red Williams, carson Networks, romeo Linkford and Chumont Waters right, that was the draft, right at the Kyrie, and I think that you know fans were looking to see if they were going to add more talent at that time and you know for it to be four years later, nobody from that draft is there. You know, once again, andy does really well when he they're really well when he drafted in the top 10. But when he had bottom says bottom first, second or round picks and it didn't play out too well and I think that you know those put a big part of the core, part of the core, going forward. But I think because they were so held bent on getting character guides in the locker room, which Grant was a locker room guy, you know, romeo was pretty laid back and showed Chumont Waters was a good character guy and I think Carson Networks would have been too, had had he panned out. So that kind of set things back. And then, you know, they kind of got back on track with an Eastman and paying a prison blast and he said this is going on. So that's kind of hard, because now that kind of that's kind of it was a ripple effect of what's going on now. Right, and though it's panned out, you're not at the second because those guys would have been on rookie deals through contributing, but because they didn't pay it out really Now those guys are going, and why you're picking it? Susan, who would have paid, wants to give away. You'd find out your roster with minimal contracts.

Mike: 11:42

So I want to ask you something that I didn't put in the rundown, but I spent on my mind all day. Of course, you, your friend, brad Stevens, gm, was speaking at that in Vegas. I think it was last night. We're recording this on Thursday, so he said on Wednesday. He said that the department, on paraphrasing here that the departure of Marcus Smart will allow for other members of the team to develop. Who is he talking about? And I want you to convince me that he's not talking about Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum, claire the gears.

Rayshawn: 12:16

So I think the leads you take that people would make is that he's talking about them too Great. I think we were talking about three or four years ago. I would have been like, yeah, that's probably the case, Not now. Once again is hearing in the English side of those guys get it together, figure it out.

Mike: 12:31

Yeah, not in the sense that he's like he's stifling their ability to learn how to play, but in the sense that he thinks he's better than he is. Like he thought he was a part of a big three one. Really he was just big two plus one. You know what I mean. Like he wasn't part of that big three. So I know you might consider it as a lazy take. I think the other way to go about it would be well, I think Peyton Pritchett is going to develop more because he's going to play. He's going to play, yeah.

Rayshawn: 12:57

Yeah, no, I mean, he cried and complained enough about it last season, so again, this is your chance. Pritchett, I actually think they're talking about JD Davis. I think that's another guy. Once again, he fits right in because he's turning the ball over a lot.

Mike: 13:13

It's something.

Rayshawn: 13:14

But I mean, at the same time, his change of pace really can be a game changer if he gets it under control. He doesn't. He still doesn't know when to kind of turn it up and dial it back. I'm talking about JD. So I think, yeah, jd, I think JD Davis and Pritchett are two guys talking about. Remember, actually, you and I did this. I think we did a show last year right After we did, actually, we did some of these shows last year and we talked about JD Davis we talked about. You know, he was the only guy that they got in draft last year. They only had one pick, yeah, and I was saying I was surprised that he was there that late in the draft. I thought that you know, he was someone that could have went in the lay first round. So, yeah, I think that they see something there with him. He's super athletic, once again, not a great defender yet. He's not a great position, a great positional defender right now, but he is someone that's gifted and passing the ball and you know he is someone that has a nice change of pace. So some will say they're talking about the Jays, but I think that he's really referring to maybe even sitting down like some houser guys, like JD Davis, and then paying Pritchett, because once a gas you're going to have to.

Mike: 14:18

You really don't think it was a. It was JC and JD really, I think that there's.

Rayshawn: 14:24

I think, from a leadership perspective yes, not from a play, not from a playing on the court Are they being actual leaders in a locker room and leading this organization to where they want to go, which has been 18? Yes, I think Marcus Boyd sometimes drowned out, I firmly believe that. So, yes, now it's sold, it's really on their shoulders. Me David and Bobby talked about in mainly falling on JT soldiers, which is true, but yeah, it's him and JD, and now I have to take the reins as being the, as being the vocal leaders and their own. So, yeah, I'm sure that he's had a conversation with Brad, with them, about what they do or what they're feeling they need from the team, or the team needs for them going into the future. But, yeah, I think what's the game? Brad, jeff, we just see, definitely speaks to the Riddles like the Joker, but you know if you're really in between the life and times with him, like we know what he's getting at. But yeah, I do think, like I said, from an on court standpoint, there's the guards and then, once again on the locker room, it's the two J's taking over and making sure that they lead, not just by example but you know, with their play as well.

Mike: 15:30

And I don't know if we've talked about this on the show before, but isn't it like? Don't you find it funny, or actually I find it awesome that he had this? Brad Stevens had this moniker as a coach at being like an easy tell him easy, go pushover. He's kind of a ruthless GM, Like he. Like he just makes the moves that Danny was afraid to make. Yeah, Later in his career. Do you think he's a better GM than he was a coach?

Rayshawn: 15:58

Yeah, yeah, I listen. I love Brad the GM. Once again. People have that have that faithfully listened to the show, Know that I've called him Portchou's, I've called him many names, but Brad, I love him as a GM Once again. And the first move is very first move was training Kimba for, you know, for Val Horford, bringing it back right at the end of 16th pick. Now my only, my only indictment was, unfortunately, that pick turned into Alfred Seguin, who has been killing it in Houston, who I think is baby Yocitch. But I mean, once again, you can't have it all so right. But other than that, yeah, he's been phenomenal. I think that he doesn't get a task and I think what helps him is that, because he was the program at Butler, when you're recruiting, you know you're getting new people. All the time there is no. You know you can get a task. I mean I know you got, you know he has showed his act and you know going to K word, those are the two guys that come to mind right away. But you know, when you, when you get those guys, I was like, okay, you get attached to a place, like hey, another year we've got the coming in. So I think that's where his mindset is still there and, yeah, he's not afraid to save things up in order to make you know. You know the definition of a sanity Once again, bobby says it on the shoulder time the definition of a sanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting the same result. So, um, it was time, it was time, yeah, it was time. So I just I love that you know he's been committed to you know, making changes of need be and I hope he can change that and, as he said, to make any moves necessary to bring Ben in 18 and 19 and 20 and so on and so forth.

Mike: 17:43

So, as of as a woman recording this is Thursday, july 13th Malcolm Brogdon still on the team. Now we know that Brad tried to trade him, yep. So do you think he'll actually be on on the roster come October, november, and if so, how do we? How does he prevent this from being, you know, a little bit like the Ray Allen Damien situation from back in the day?

Rayshawn: 18:10

Yeah, the OJ Mayo, oh, my God, oh, oh, yeah, so, okay. So, before we get into that, I remember that I probably wanted to go to OJ Mayo. Sure, here people can say. I know people will say, once again, everyone looks like a prop. Now, Fine, don't tell me when he, when OJ Mayo came out of USC at that time and once again the league was getting younger, it was the game was transitioning. Ray Allen, I think, was 35 at the time. It was trying to make it happen. He'd already fulfilled, this was due. They already won. So I was thinking about okay, now you've been with the next learner that went polling and leaves. We're still going to dominate. That it happened, obviously, oj Mayo guys as a full assistant, whatever. But I just I think that you say, hey, you know it is a business, but you know we still didn't do the tribute to us winning. I do think they'll be on the team come October. I do think that he's gone by the all-star break, though I do think that they figure something out to put him in a decent situation where he's the label to distribute to winning, I'm sure I said once again, I think that that's probably brush up with this talk to the people and, given that having those type of talk, so yeah, it's going to be difficult, because I mean he should have it's going to be here. I'm not going to say that, oh, because you're making moons dollars. You should have been upset, like that argument is, so it's always saying it's unbelievable to me that people would say, oh, because you're making $15, $16 million a year, you know you should be okay with anything that goes on. Really, I say when people get traded, they have to take the kid out of school, they have to maybe find a new house, like they tap, like perfect example. I'll tell you a story. I heard it on taking people's oath. Steve Smith, who used to play for the show the Lizzy and Sentinel and Spurs and Miami years ago, he played for Portland. No, it was a flavor for them. They said, hey, he's a hair, my name in rumors and everything cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Steve's. Like you know, we good, they get on the plane. They stopped the plane and say, steve Smith, they grant long, can you come up to the front, grab your bags? You had it, give it to him. And the Los Angeles Cold, cold, that's wild. Yeah, well, no, the cold, cold world could listen. And once again this I'm joking the next thing I'm about to say. So I don't want anyone to take what I'm about to say Seriously. I just took the whole fucking plane down yeah, I understand. I'm like oh, oh. I say oh, ain't nobody, ain't nobody going to the next, the next, the next road trip. Everybody's staying now. Everybody's staying Like it would have been a problem, like they do that again Every day. Everybody would have to date that to get me off that plane, like it had been crazy.

Mike: 20:57

I mean, San Antonio is not that much worse than Portland.

Rayshawn: 21:01

Sure no, but but see what he said he's like. But I ended up winning a championship and I'm like right. So in the end it was like it worked. He got a championship. He's never done his career with a ring Great. But you don't think about that shit in a moment. You think like damn, like you just told me it was good, I just come up with a career game, you know a three, 36 points. I'm chilling and then you tell me that is that it's all good.

Mike: 21:26

So I don't know, ray being the, as well, the, the, the baller that you are, I think, no matter where, you are trying to plane train or an automobile and you're playing for the Trailblazers, coached by whoever the fuck it was at the time, and you're told that you're going to go play for was it pop? Yeah, it was pop. Yeah, I think you just, you just go, you know no sure, no sure.

Rayshawn: 21:47

I from basketball, basketball, why it's absolutely, even though program was really good when we were kids, but while that's so, that's, I think that's different. Like probably was really close to the edges they lost to this guy in security and Kobe Bryant. So I get it. I get it. That from basketball, why absolutely get to play with Tim Dock in there? Duh, of course, but what's it like? It's the, it's the family stuff. It's the. I gotta get kids out of school. Like if there's a whole other, there's so many dollars that fall. When it happened, so it was again. We've seen it. Michael Brown is one six man a year. I know he's married, I know he just had a child, he has a daughter. So, yeah, all the things have to be, have to be considered and, yes, it's part of what they're sounding for. So I'm not, I'm not a student here, but I understand some of it, and I did have a family member that played in the NFL, also coached in the NFL. So I get it, it's a lot. So it's just it's a lot, but then you gotta talk to them, though Let me answer your question. They gotta talk to them, they gotta move things over. But I said, but just, I think realistically, when the time we had the trade deadline in February, I think they say hey, you know, we found a trade partner for you. You know, thank you for your year and a half here, model citizen, model player. You know, go, go, go, have a big career elsewhere.

Mike: 23:02

Yeah, but what do you think about it, though? The reason why I ask that question is because, once those trade rumors came out back in the day about, about Ray, you know, he took less money to play in Miami yeah, your rival, yeah, and he won a championship, yeah.

Rayshawn: 23:18

Now.

Mike: 23:18

I don't know if I don't listen to Caliber, as as Ray Allen. However, sediment can still remain. You know why am I going to? Why am I going to rush back from injury? Why am I going to give it my all for a team that has already told me that they didn't. They didn't want me on their team this year?

Rayshawn: 23:38

Yeah, no, I mean that's that's, that's fair and it's funny, right, because I mean well, I mean it's the only stop, the only difference between a broad and a raise. Obviously they both fit in Milwaukee and they both kept the buck walking instead of instead of Seattle. Obviously, you know broad goes to Indiana after. But yeah, I was with and was was ironic. He'd be great in Miami. He'll be right down there, they, they, they him next to Jimmy, but that would be a great backcourt.

Mike: 24:11

Great, great. I don't, I don't want to see that.

Rayshawn: 24:13

No, I don't either, could I? be sick, although I'd rather see that as opposed to Dan, I figured if I got a, true, but I guess, yes, yes, well, I'm thinking about defensively, like that would be insane. You know Dan was going to get 60 on the side and you know I'll be. You know throwing, throwing stuff at my laptop and throwing things out the windows if they are. You know if it wouldn't happen. So, yeah, not once again. I just think they got to have the conversation with him. You know, man to man, I know Brad was getting used to. He tried to step up and have a conversation about what, what it was, and you know what the reports out there were, so on and so forth. I let Marcus definitely try to control the narrative about that. He was like, hey, they told me he's good. They told me they say, hey, you good, big fella. The next thing, you know, you know he's gone. So I just think that had had talked about it before. But had they said hey, marcus, we're looking to deal Once again this thing, or well, not for me, but this thing for some people. I guess one has been all the same, but you know it is what it is. But hey, just communicate like men. You know you're still going to job to do, you're getting 22 million to be a basketball player and go out there, ball out. You know, take it as the audition. If you're not going to be a ticket as an audition for the team that may want you for a playoff push and just go from there.

Mike: 25:33

You ready to talk about what I think is going to be the most pointless tournament to ever be played by a league that feels like is on the up and up. Interest is being gained in the NBA. I thought that the finals between two cities that not really the rest of the country doesn't really care about Denver or Miami it was compelling television right. The NBA Cup, the inaugural in season tournament, will tip off Friday, november 3rd and culminate with the championship on Saturday, december 9th. What this is is all 30 teams have already been randomly drawn into groups of five within their conference, based on when lost records from the prior season. So, beginning of November 3rd and continuing through Tuesday and over 28th, each team will play four designated group play games on tournament nights One game against each opponent in the group and two games at home, two on the road. Essentially, this is just a way, I think. I think what the NBA is doing is trying to make sure that people are interested in the league you know, through Thanksgiving, christmas, that type of that type, but in reality it's not going to do anything, anything for the sport, in my opinion. Reason why are you? Do you really think that a top five team, that's the title contender is going to try and work their ass off to win the in season NBA Cup. No, no, no, no. You think? the Lakers are going to play Ron James for 48 minutes and no, come on, come on.

Rayshawn: 27:17

So if they told, if they sold it as like a G-League showcase, that whatever team won off a G-League showcase those guys were going to contract, that would be dope, that would be cool to see, I'd be, I'd buy into that and see that. But that's not what's happening.

Mike: 27:33

But you toughen up the.

Rayshawn: 27:34

NBA. You said what Toughen up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, set out, set out, set out some, maybe. But yeah, so I'm going to take every listen. Don't, don't, don't, don't turn it. Um, yeah, I just think, I mean, adam Silver is doing everything, but what he needs to do, I mean, I know they have a new anti-flopping thing too, which you know, people like Marcus Martin and Joel Embiid are going to be paying the lives the most because they flop the most. I was thinking that's not an opinion, that's a fact. Uh, but yeah, I don't. I guess now, reading after what you wrote, you know, when we had a meeting earlier, uh, at first I was, I was open to it. I was like, okay, maybe there was something different, but yeah, but once you've worked on the details, so as earlier, I was like, yeah, this, this, this, this is the trash. But but again, if, if, once again, they're going to do it like this, I mean, what's the same thing with the play? I thought the playing was wild. The play is not going nowhere. Like I thought that was. I thought I thought I was a bubble thing, but I was like they've got too much. They've got too many good moments already from the playing Taino's 50 point game steps 50 point game a couple years. Like they're, they're, they're not. That's not going now. They're going to make sure that stays fine, whatever. I wasn't in love with that idea either, but it's luckily they lucked into that working for the time being. Great, the only what's the word. The only change I would make in this regard is I was so during the summer. So teams like I don't know who finished last, but the guy, teams like, like Charlotte I'm trying to do, also really, really terrible. Oh, that's all. Yeah, I can't even think of somebody else that was. That was awful, but she was like Charlotte, indiana, like Tuesday first clip. What a clip. What was that? Make the playoffs first? Oh, it's first, right, first, yeah, so, yeah. So those teams, right. So have those teams play a tournament in the summer or even during the season, whatever, and those teams, whoever wins that tournament, they get the number one pick.

Mike: 29:36

Yeah, so I it, it it whatever, finish it over it over.

Rayshawn: 29:40

Finish it. So if you're second place, you get this, you get the second pick, if you third place. So I think that would be that because the Jeff, the Jeff lottery that they draw out when they already know who's fucking winning it, it's, it's, it's done. When I get it because he has licensing rights, I get that. I'm not trying to change it. If I still, you have to still put this on your, on your television. I just think to me having the worst teams get together, play out for playoff, for number one pick or play for the top five picks. I think that would be sensational.

Mike: 30:14

I love that idea, love it. I actually wanted to talk about how, what we could do to make this more interesting, but just so everybody knows the winner of this tournament, the winning team, the prize pool will be allocated to the players on the team that participate in the knockout rounds, with allocations increasing depending on how far a team progresses. That means is to the winning team each player gets $500,000. Now, that's a lot to us? Not really that much.

Rayshawn: 30:47

So okay, so, so let's. This wasn't even for a second conversation. Obviously, we're not talking about the Hardins LeBron Tatum, steph Curran we're not talking about those guys.

Mike: 31:00

You know the teams that will probably win the championship.

Rayshawn: 31:02

Right, correct, but think about. Think about a player like Jenny Davidson who's on a two-way deal. I mean great, I don't know. But think about what $500,000 can do for him right now. I think about even the guys that's on a rookie deal, that's just signed out $500,000 to that 12th or 13th man on the team that just signed for $1.1 million. That's huge. So, once again, that in that way is great. I say above and up to $750,000, but like half a mill, half a mill is not bad, especially when you're giving so much away, either the taxes or to your agent, if you have one, or it's for the S growing the NBA. So I get it, but, yes, on the surface and I think we'll see it unfold once we get to November I don't think that it's going to get the traction that they think it's going to get. Once again, I commend Adam Silver for trying to be innovative, but this is not something they needed to really tweak at this one. Once again, if you did something during the summer, so you kind of do something like the NFL Desert, where they still got something going on year round If you want to do that, you should just do that shit during the summer. But they could do it around July, which is now, you know, right at the summer league. It's like okay, bam, but two weeks at the end of summer we'll have these tournaments. I said winner gets the $500,000, winner gets the $500,000 per player, whatever. And then I said the winner gets the number one pick team that loses in a championship game, second team that with 30 fourths, they get that, and then Global's last get the $500,000, so making like 10 teams or whatever I think that would be, that would be huge, but it is what it is.

Mike: 32:45

I think I would do to make this more interesting is the winner of the tournament is, at the very minimum, guaranteed to be the second playing team. So then by default, the rest of the conference is going to fight harder, because maybe people will fall, maybe people will rise, who knows. Or if you win it and obviously like this, you can do the one or two ways. If you don't want to have a lottery protected, you say the winner of this tournament gets an extra 30% more lottery balls to be thrown into the lottery for the draft. So then you could have a good team with a hot like mate. What if the Golden State Warriors get the number two overall pick after going to the NBA finals?

Rayshawn: 33:31

Like that's wild. Okay, so, okay, so, okay. So think about what the day obviously they got. They only got to the semifinals this year, but yeah, but even okay. So, for example, right, think about, say, save, this happened last year, right, and Denver had won. Right, what? I mean? They won the championship, but they won this tournament, however, and they were able to get one by, like game, game, game, fucking over, ballgame, ballgame, like it just hit. I wouldn't, I would only be watching this out there because I'm just like there's no need to even worry about who's gonna win again, because, like you know, okay, and like that, like that would be crazy, or had we won and it wouldn't get, you know, brown Tate of the women. But I'm like yo, let's go kill the dunk balls, like that would be insane. So, yeah, I mean, what's the game? They don't have to see how it unfolds, but I like that idea about getting more ping pong balls was. Again, I like to up it up to 750,000. So, once again, I don't care what is on for the thousand. And once again, a lot of these guys got charities. They got charities, some, some of them are child support, and it works, it works, it works, it works. So it's just like that could be that money, that could be, you know, you know, helping out with scholarship funds, whatever it may be like just putting up this, did that could happen with that that money. But yeah, I mean, once again, I don't know how it's gonna look, but I said, on paper, on the surface, it doesn't look like it's going to be a great idea. But you know most of the game. I said fans, we don't love change, but we don't like change. That we don't. We don't see. We don't see what the intended outcome is going to look like or how it should look like. So I thought we gave I don't think we're gonna have this soup. I don't know what they're doing right now.

Mike: 35:12

Could you run me through real quick, before we talk about the Bruins? There there's our blog. Can you run me through why it would be a bad idea to just guarantee the winner of that tournament a spot in the playing? How does that hurt?

Rayshawn: 35:29

So what? So where that team went, like 25, 57. No.

Mike: 35:35

Then the other eight, the other nine teams that are vying for the playoffs took win more games.

Rayshawn: 35:41

No, I know, but I'm saying that's that's the only issue. Like on, like, that makes sense. So just like, once again, if the team, like everyone's not gonna be OKC, right, everyone doesn't have, as they don't have a say to go to Alexander, you don't have a Josh Giddy, you don't have, you don't have a Lou Dord, you don't have the player. So I just to me it was suck if they won that. And then once again, you win 25, 30 games. It's like, well, this is not an x 84 when they see it. What 30 games? Yes, I'm talking about the bulls. So for those again. Matt, yeah, israel is in it's in the documentary. They were 30 and 52 and they made a play on the AC. That's fucking wild. That should never happen. That never.

Mike: 36:20

I don't know.

Rayshawn: 36:22

I don't care what. 30, 30 wins should never get you into a play on ever.

Mike: 36:29

Let's just say that this tournament happened last year. This first one had they drafted, one by Anna and now they they are in the play in this year. Would you want to play pop with, with the rejuvenated young all star and whatever he's going to put around them in the first round, or the play in?

Rayshawn: 36:46

No, he, he take a team six with what he took. A team six or seven, well, let me rest but he just needs one. He just needs one to play in. Yeah, just one game. Yeah, and once again he's. And once again we've seen it. I mean, we've seen a little bit of it. The other night I forget what they played, but he had a bad shooting night, meaning one of the yama he had 27 and 12 and I had a bad shooting night, 27 and 12 on a bad shooting night. Miss a lot of free throws, like the dude is it's. He shouldn't the certain thing that you should have been doing, the basketball court being that fucking big and any, any, he's able to do it all. Well, yeah, no, you're right, I mean, once again, I they would like they would have gave Denver fits this year. So I think about Jeremy Sohan, who's on that team was like, looks like a young Rodman, and I know, I know you're a fantasy. I know, I know you're a fantasy, but yeah, so I'm going to Johnson. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they they just the play in.

Mike: 37:43

We're not saying, we're not saying it's going to be a layup game against the number one seed versus but it's, it's, it has it hasn't been no fatigue.

Rayshawn: 37:49

Look, oh, the heat was. The heat was a play and they was. They lost to a little and then Toronto had to. I mean, it's Toronto, it's Toronto. Well, toronto wasn't there when they lost, but Chicago had the one of Robes and then they, they went on this run. So it's like I mean, I guess, yeah, you just have to get into the den. I guess that's what this is for, that's what they're doing, that just the pants, and then you go from there. But yeah, I mean, we'll see, we'll see, maybe a scenario works out that they, they, they would have sweetened like that. But I just to me, I just, I just would have wanted to be a 25, 30. When team unit like it would have, you would have to be, you would have to win 38 or above In my.

Mike: 38:28

Could you imagine if a?

Rayshawn: 38:29

24, still kind of trash, but we see it's a 30 and 44 teams at least get into an AC. But that that's just my thing.

Mike: 38:39

Could you imagine if a 20, 25 and 57 team made it to the the, the semifinals, like that that's insane, I mean.

Rayshawn: 38:51

I mean that that would happen, because, I mean, in basketball, usually the best team finds a way to win Once again, once again. We just saw we just used the example with San Antonio, right, jeremy? So on Keldon Johnson, now they added when my mama, I know that I think every sign trade Jones as well on a near deal. So they, they have some pieces there, that I think that I think pop just signed a five year extension, so he's, he's not going to ready they, they, the team today, it's time to figure it out. You know, quicken it. People think, but yeah, we'll see what happens. But I say it's interesting concept, although, you know, I don't, I think, I don't think many people are fans of it.

Mike: 39:31

So I think it's interesting now could be they implemented some of the things that we talked about.

Rayshawn: 39:36

Yeah, and I'm sure other other shows would give some some great insight to what it could look like or what it should look like. I mean, I said we just have to see how it's going to unfold and I think that they they've listened the most. I mean they've listened the most on how to tweak things, whether it be certain the rule changes, whether it be scheduling, which to me that's the biggest thing. Forget about the tournament, scheduling is the biggest thing. Yeah, have active backs. I get it. I understand that you want to have a product that will in every night. I get it. The pre-brand nights and I know could not work in their room. And it has NBA put Wednesday night, friday night. So the premier nights in the NBA just on at the NFL. Damn, they got every other every other day. It like it. Nfl got Sunday, they got Monday and they got Thursday. So they're doing Friday this this year. Oh Jesus, like that, that's, that's, that's wild and it's going to work. It's going to work, of course it's going to work. Oh, friday night lights they go is going to be great, it's going to be. It's going to work for them. Like, so, I can't stand rush, good job, but it's going to work. It's going to work for them.

Mike: 40:46

You just mentioned. We were talking about the Spurs, a team that is starting to figure out what's the pieces together. Let's just transition that to a team that we thought had it figured out, yeah, and it turns out are not doing anything to put any pieces in place. That is our Boston Bruins, the team that we do not talk about that much on the show, because I said three years ago that they could win 82. The 82 games that are 80 games in the regular season. I still wouldn't believe them to win a championship. That's not why, but I said that's that's, that's insane.

Rayshawn: 41:19

Ok, I want you to know that's insane. That's insane how many games they win this year 65.

Mike: 41:27

How many playoff series of the win? 65. Zero, zero. So the big thing that they needed to do in the offseason was to clear cap space to make sure that they signed the newly acquired Tyler Bertuzzi, who, ever since he joined Boston, you know and re-attracted. He lit it up, he was the bright spot in the playoffs. So you moved, moved, taylor Hall, great Folio, perfect. You knew goalies that are making a lot of money. Maybe you could, maybe you can figure that out. Bertuzzi signs a one year, four and a half million dollar deal with Toronto and what do you do? You sign Lucecic, van Riemstijk and some other 37 year old to fill his spot. What a colossal fuck up. This was right. Why did it happen? How could you know I could, I could, I could see being off in the money? But when you realize, how do they not say to Bertuzzi you know what you won four years and we'll call it $24 million. Why don't you go out to the market, test it and let us know what you get and we'll, and we'll come close to matching?

Rayshawn: 42:45

So he actually I think he actually got five and a half, I think, from Toronto or Lucecic was four and a half based with the incentive to get five and a half Either way. Five and a half AAV is what he was going away for, once again for a year. I absolutely would have gave him four years and 25 million. Once again, five and a half year, right, yeah, five and a half. So he was, he was there. I would have did four years, 26 mils or something like that. I thought that he was whatever they gave. Did they ever sign? Was it Limp Home? Limp Home, not Limp Home. No, zaka, sorry, they they. They signed Zaka. They gave Zaka. They gave Zaka four years there. So, what right? Once again, this is not for those that are Zaka fans out there yes, he, for the most part, he delivered when he needed to. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. This is not slender for him, but everyone on NHL Twitter. I remember even just being in the building when they got Brutus. He was like, oh my God, they father went to get to Brutus. He like he had been riding away in Detroit and you know they haven't been the same since you know Steve Wise, the man, they're like right. So they went on this whole rant about how, you know, ty Anderson from 1985 was like, oh man, like this is a phenomenal deal, like you know, this team, if there's enough. So they, they went on, they on these epic rants about how they were unstoppable and they, you know this guy was going to be part of the future and you know you take, you, steal away Orloff or Washington, and you know so. So it was again. I want to say, before I go back to that um, welcome back Milanochins. Once again, this ain't about you, brother, you, you just became a couch, even though you were a favorite. You became a couch and saying this, because they brought you back what they thought was a quote, unquote, a piece of it. But, like you said, epic failure and aptitude, whatever word you want to use, um, that defines the, the Bruno's front office. It really is a shame that you bring in who you bring in and you, once again, it's one thing to let women to walk, Like I felt one of them would go, because they, they just weren't going to sign both, because they haven't shown all that they would do, uh, those type of uh deals, but it's. It's really inexcusable, inexplicable. Once again, whatever word you want to uh attach to it, the day they find a way to uh either give a Tuesday the money. Who's younger than Orloff? I think? He just turned 28. You needed a youth movement. Was again bridge on starting to be 38, more chance to be 35. Yeah, posh shock is only 27. So that's the only right thing they did. That's the only thing they didn't write Uh, the shit was giving him the $80 million extension.

Mike: 45:21

I think that's not next year.

Rayshawn: 45:23

I paid go yeah, so yeah, and I think it was funny to send it. I don't know if it was Hackerty, I don't know if it was or DJBF, I forget who it was on. Uh, also network that was on there. I'm not sure that's the meaning of arena, but they were talking that they needed to get rid of one. Someone was saying to sell high on an old mark and I think people were like, are you crazy? He's having the best season ever. But in hindsight that probably would have helped them long term now if they didn't. Oh, I traded over market at that time because they probably could have got a really great return, you know, for him. So, yeah, I don't know, I don't know what the plan is. I think that they, I think mentally, they're in shambles. Honestly, I think when you had that type of season, you know you would think that they were kind of. Yeah, I think about what happened, obviously, when the pitch is lost in those seven and obviously you know Brady gets hurt the first game and you know they still go 11 to five with uh, with Mack House. So I just think that you know it's, it's hard to what's the word? It's hard to keep. You know, going through free agency and getting guys to bring in. That's what happened. No seven, right, remember, they lose to Indianapolis. They go crazy in all season. Bring it ready. Moss, adelius, thomas, you know, dante Stahlwer, wes Walker, they go crazy. That's what I was expecting the boys to do here, where it's like, look, you've got to figure out a way to bring at least a majority of the band back and it bringing some guys that are going to be impact players right now. So unless they find some guys some guys as they're now figure it out during a regular season and their coach finds a way to understand their body language like you. Oh, you know, I just I know I could tell the guys that happened Really. And you said once again the shit that these some of these coaches saying out loud. Joe Mazula says dumb shit out loud. Alex Coro sometimes, much like I love him, he's dumb shit out loud. And now with Jen Montgomery, it's like what is going on with these Boston coaches. Stop saying he's a puddle.

Mike: 47:18

He is a puddle, montgomery. He was like it's a joke. Yeah, it's, it's while it. I I love Milan Lucic from 2014, 2015. Once he left, we got rid of him at the right time. It was sad to see him go, but he brought it. He was part of the cup they have. Lucic has scored 41 goals combined in the last five years.

Rayshawn: 47:46

So eight goals in season, when you let you let go of Batsuzi or a love.

Mike: 47:50

And in those five seasons he's played 79, 68, 56, 82 and 77 games. Okay.

Rayshawn: 47:58

So that's, that's awesome. So he's played all year.

Mike: 48:01

So all year.

Rayshawn: 48:02

Yeah, so okay, at least he's healthy. What, what is it? It's just like what are we doing? What are we doing?

Mike: 48:12

So the guy from NHL, like two K four, he's out on the team. That's what we're doing when I now I'm starting to think that Bruins leadership my list is to the show, because I said on the show a couple of weeks ago when they, after that epic collapse, I'm I'm hoping that they come back as not a 65 and 12 and five team but they come back as a 40, 48 and, you know, like a gritty middle of the pack team. They've made sure that they're not going to be the tossing in the, in the, in the, in the East this year. I promise that because there's no way on this team, based on what I'm saying, that they can do it but it'slifting.

Rayshawn: 48:53

I don't know. I to me it's yeah. I mean, tell them, why is no? I just think to me Just what I've seen him now that I've been watching more actively the last couple years. Oh, I still have a long way to learn when it comes to hockey, but I watch 88 on it Ice and I say when he's on, he's a top 10 player in that league. Is he kind of a David? No, but most, most guys aren't in that league. You got to find a way to build around him, right, and for him to only be playing by the 27,. He's going into the prime of his career. Most again, he plays a lot longer than most. You got to find a way to maximize. What's he going to do? Hey, what's the? He gets 60 goals, yeah, 60 goals, yeah, that's hard to come by and once again, I. One thing I've said is that they've had the best first line of hockey for a number of years and they have. But that's coming to an end shortly because you know, bergeron has more yesterdays than he does tomorrow. So the same thing with Marchant more years, cities and tomorrow's. Something has to give. But yeah, yes, obviously, if they're 46 and 36. Perfect, and they're in there and they're like a five seed and they, they figure it out. So you know, at least to the conference finals. Then great One, because money is in my pocket. Two for me, they have to back seize it, back seize it. So I mean, I don't know, we'll see. I, I, I, I, you, most of the brothers fans, we have no idea what the direction is, whatever they're saying, I don't think they believe in what they're saying. There's literally throwing darts at the wall and hoping there's something sticks.

Mike: 50:29

You shouldn't have to throw darts at the wall after you have the greatest regular season in the history of the fucking league.

Rayshawn: 50:39

Yeah, every once again. Oh yeah, I mean, you know, you I don't know, but I just to me when you, I think, I guess when you collapse like that once again, I think had they lost in the conference finals, I think it would have been as much change as it was. But, as I said, there's the same reason why you know you wanted to something to get you know. Well, now we collect the guy. I didn't want to guess what, but I know DK and Joe wanted Joe. Dk and Bobby wanted you know. Oh yeah, they wanted Joe. Yeah, they wanted Joe gone. It was a little dawn. If we accept them, but it's just like, hey, like what's the alternative? So right, it was a little sort of it was a guy, I get it and we all have moments of you know fires on, so but it's just like what is the alternative? So I don't know. But they did there, they are, and I said tie in the society. He said look, there's no way they're going to be a talent to go forward. There'll be some talent there, but unless some guy step up and they step up last year, you know they're troubled and that's what's again, not a, not a fact, I mean, not an opinion, but that's the fact. And you know we'll see if they protect home mice. But yeah, they got to get better defensively, which out that they did you lose, we lose in the offseason. So yeah, they still have a long way to go, but you know we'll be there, we'll be. Well, you know we'll still be someone invested and you know, well, you know, we'll talk about the great day too. If not, then you know some more change need to happen.

Mike: 52:04

Just Listen, my, my, my plea to them is that follow it again in the offseason, directly after the greatest regular season in the history of the NHL. The fact that you screwed up this move so much and then had you went on day two of free agency to pick up three veterans who would still be available now means that there is ineptitude in the front office. And my only. It's not a. This isn't a plea, it's really just like one of those, one of those hazard warnings on any chemical Bruins fans. So he needs not going anywhere. They've had four or five GMs in like the history of their entire team Since the Jacobs family has owned it. They ain't going anywhere. They will never fire the GI.

Rayshawn: 52:56

So this is what we're dealing with. It was was crazy and once again I had a chance to meet Don Swinney a few times that they put me up on a little bit of an hour or the whole thing. Guys, great, guy, great. You know, you know he greets me every time he sees me. Make sure that I need it, make sure if I need anything. And I'm like man, like I hate, I hate that I have to talk shit about you, but it's like bro, like hey, you're going, you know Mr, you know Mr Nelly, mr Nelly school too, but it's like I need more. I need more, I need more.

Mike: 53:29

Well, for the Hollywood race, I'm kidding, it's Mike Marguerito saying that stay tuned to missing the point, because we have the big things coming. We got K-fave K-fave critics coming up to this one of the big four. We got football season coming up and I'm sure that we're going to be more pissed off at the Celtics, the Bruins and the Red Sox. So thank you so much for listening. We'll talk to you real soon.