Jayson Tatum's Ascension, Calvin Ridley's Suspension & NFL Quarterbacks on the Move

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:02

Hello, welcome. It's missing the point I am Rayshawn Buchanan with my guys, the basketball group so to speak. Well, you know two thirds of it but um, so Mike Marcangelo and The Real BK Bob Kelly. You know, we already talked before we got here, so I don't have to ask how you doing. So let's just get into the Celtics talk man. so 14-2 to win their last 16 games. They they have really turned around really in just to, you know, the calendar year. Um, you know, to say the least. So, you know, Bobby, I'll start with you. But, you know, has this sort of Rob been, you know, shy? Has it been shocked?

Rob Kelly: 1:38

Yeah, yeah. I mean, and there's no way to beat around the bush there. You know what I mean, like the Celtics team, we thought. I mean, they still might be honestly, but we'll get to there in a little bit. But we thought that they were just a bunch of losers, man. That's, that's what I thought they were at the beginning of the season. So so for them to have this. Not just a turnaround, but like an immense turnaround, where it's like almost a 180 Completely, is just off the charts for this team. Because the way they're doing it as the playing team basketball, playing a brand new basketball that we've wanted them to play for years. And it just seems like everything that was wrong with the Celtics somehow has now turned. You know, there's definitely a few reasons why I think that it actually is a legit turn around, and they have a chance. But yeah, no, man, I'm shocked. I'm shocked. There's no There's no beating around the bush. I'm shocked that we're here in position to possibly get a top 4 seed.

Michael Marcangelo: 2:37

Grab by, oh, I didn't know if you wanted to tee me up and as like the Celtics hater or just, you know, just have some proper host etiquette, but I guess not. I, obviously. So, before we get into my feelings on where we currently are in this whole 180. And this celebratory, the celebratory show on the Celtics. I'm just gonna read a couple of records here. Right? The month of November, 10-4 for the month of December 10-3, month of January 9-7 month of February9-3. That was the record of the 2019 2020 Boston Celtics, you want to know what they went in? did? They went in last in the Eastern Conference Finals? So yes, it's great that the Celtics are 14 and 2, and their last 16 games or whatever they are, whatever they are, and they're now they're in fifth in the Eastern Conference, I get all of that. But can we please, please pump the brakes on the they they turned it around? Or their championship contenders or the DNA of this team, all that crap. They've done nothing. They've done nothing, but climb back to the position that they were in two years ago. And two years ago, we thought that they were underperforming. So yes, it's great that they're back in the mix. I'm really excited. I told I told y'all I wasn't going to watch the Celtics until they won nine in a row. When they did, and, and good for them. But they got me really invested in Yes, it is a it looks like it's a different brand of Celtics basketball from the last two years, but not from 2018 2019 2020 It kind of feels like the Brad Stevens years defensively. And you know, I'm still I'm still on this. Wait and see. The Celtics for me now have turned into what the Bruins were. When when skidmark was what was in goal, right it's I don't care if you win 80 games in the regular season. I don't trust you to win any in the playoffs. So that's that's where I currently am so sorry to put an early damper on your on your celebration. But yeah, it's cool that they're fit they should be they have the talent to be fifth be better. Well,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 5:02

I mean, know that that that that first part is fair and I mean that it makes sense that that 2019 2020 model obviously the end of that year was was crazy because of how you know you know COVID Hit the regular season and they will do a shutdown for a few months but um that seemed also was a 18 and 21 going into the new calendar year with this team was on they would not they would not clicking at all meaning this new team now. Dennis Shrouder was a guy that wasn't moving the ball you know Josh Richardson are starting to get better as um, you know, the year went on but there was a lot of you know, in terms basketball, a dead weight on this team. So whether it was cancer, um, you know, most got they got rid of really except Except, you know Josh Richardson and so no, it spirits who expect more because you know we've seen more and yeah I can I can agree to an extent with that Bruce's point that you know the Bruins really had been seen as a system for the most part of year after they won in 2011 Um, you know, obviously again to through to other Stanley Cup Finals, you know winning presidents cups. Yes What what key rush you do when when the game when a game matters most I totally get that. Um, but just from living in the moment, I felt they deserved this moment to at least acknowledge that they did turn it back around so you can get back to where they could get to, which is the conference finals? All that looks like a steal right now compared to I said, Would you would you go at 18 it's funny what it and I was at that Phillies game where I think our friend mentioned it. A few press conferences ago, he mentioned that, you know, that he didn't finish game, you know, we found something that, you know, kind of kind of sent changed our season. He was right. Like they're moving the ball more on that defense travels, it travels on the road as they playable at home. That defense is going to it's going to allow them to be in games, that they really had no business, you know, being in so on. Yes. Is it? Is it fair to be pessimistic? Absolutely. But I actually think I said this to Barbie when we were on the phone. We might have texted about this. Um, I said, I said, Man, I said wouldn't it be funny if the Celtics actually mirrored what the Red Sox did? That's what it looks like right now. It looks like Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we blew we blew them off manufacturing was. It's funny. I was always me and Mike this on the show when that happens, because Mike was on there. And Mike's like, it's over, it's done. You know, so, Mike was like, it's over? And I'm like, okay, it was maybe No, maybe they have a shot when they figure it out that obviously, you know, the Yankee circus happened. And, you know, we know what happened from there. So yeah, are they gonna have a stressful a pirate loose to inform the road at towards the end of the season. They might, they might all but the schedule is more favorable arm, and they've they've taken pretty good, they've taken advantage of what the schedule is giving them. And I'm not going to be apologetic as as a fan. I'm happy that they're winning. That gives us a push to win. Because you're supposed to be bad teams when you're supposed to be a potential contender. So, um, but you know, I know he wasn't all here, Mike. So I'll ask you like, you think the season ends up? You know, bearing what the restaurants did? Or, you know, Is that Is that not enough for you as a fan?

Michael Marcangelo: 8:16

No. They, they still need to get to the final. They need to get to an NBA Finals. And I can already see it. There'll be a member of this show that's on with us right now. And is Marcus smart jersey. A T shirt is that will say well, if they if they make it to a game seven in the Eastern Conference Finals, where they were at the start of the year, like that is a huge turnaround. No, it isn't it, you literally worked your ass off to get to exactly where you were two years ago. So great. You're still someone and you're still a team that can't get over the hump. I do think it's a good story. And I know that we're going to touch on a few aspects of it, you know, coming up, but I do just want to say when you said that, that their defense travels. Yeah, yeah, sure. They're 16 and 16 on the road. But they are not a good road team. So they need to figure that out.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 9:16

But if they're first of all, I think this is what I mean. I don't I didn't mean literally like when they go on a tablet. But yeah, but their defenses is

Michael Marcangelo: 9:24

well they're their third in the league right now in terms of opponents points for game which is really good. I mean, it's great. Yeah, it's great. But you know come to the end of the season I want us you know, there's not much they can do right now but when you see when you see a record like 16 and 16 at on the road and you know Converse you're 23 and 11 at home you better you better get home court advantage because if you don't that record tells me that it's you might you might not have a long playoff run any

Rob Kelly: 9:52

well so to go back to so I know this isn't gonna be the same for you because you're because you represent the Boston fan base when it comes to expectations always being at a sky high level. But to me, the reason why I am not hesitant to give the same credit shocker may not give the Celtics credit can't believe it I know is listen to yours of 500 basketball to me kind of resets expectations a little bit in my head. Because when you have a team that is consistently showing you that you know they can't get to a certain level or you know the pieces aren't right or think things aren't gelling the way that you think that they should. When you finally see that after such a long sample size, I just think it's such a significant difference to what we saw over the past two years like they they gave us a year and a half to two years of mediocre 500 basketball. The difference between that and going, what is it 2020 and six full with the full starting lineup in there. I think it's 18. And to win Marcus smart plays as the starting point guard so far this season. So it's not just like a few games, either. We're talking about a big sample size where it was an average basketball team. That's what they were, there's no beating around a bush when it comes to that they were an average team with average supporting pieces. And now the sample size that we're seeing is it's not that same team anymore. It's a brand new basketball that we thought we were gonna see. I mean, if you think about it, right, William, so as a big portion of this is Horford, I do want to get back to that in a little bit. But Williams, Horford Tatum and smart are all in the top 20 in defensive rating so far this season. And Robert Williams is second in the league. So so the fact that you have you know, this, Jayson Tatum, this version of Tatum, who's going off right now who, who who can drop 50 At any given night, and then you have a team that isn't just good defensively? They're good all around defensively. I just it just, it really does give me like that, like, happy feeling inside, because it's just a brand new basketball that we've been waiting to see. So I totally get what you're saying. Well, I

Michael Marcangelo: 12:14

mean, Bobby, Bobby, we've seen it. This isn't like, I know, I know that it felt like it was two years of 500 basketball, it was one it was one year that felt like seven because in in it in 2019 2020, they were 46 and 24. Right, they were a really good team, and that COVID stricken year. And then they did really well in the bubble until they ran up against the Miami Heat. Like I understand they have turned their season around. And I'm on right now raise being very, very generous and try to be very bipartisan here. But you're focusing on the turnaround, I'm here to tell you that they should have never had to turn their season around based on the talent that they have on that team. And whether it's they start slow and they finish strong the regular season or they start their regular season strong and they finish slow. It doesn't matter if if this is over before June doesn't matter. None of it matters. Yeah, no,

Rob Kelly: 13:16

I don't disagree with that. I'll give you that listen, we're sitting here and I don't again, I don't see them not getting to a finals as discipline in the middle but with how we saw this team if if Brett so the way this team was constituted at the beginning of this season with that deadweight that Ray was talking about had 0% chance to get to a finals and maybe a 1% chance to get to the Eastern Conference Finals the moves and the way that they now constructed this team to me just gives it a different it's a different mindset because it adds begin to see the man It wasn't even like oh maybe maybe they can do there was no goddamn chance and that's that's why I mean I don't know if maybe the the positivity of the old Celtics I went so far away that like I'm now at the point where I'm like let's go we'll you know we're back we're doing this but it just it feels so different man and fuck you know what I sound like fucking broker record from a year and a half ago don't say yes.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 14:22

But it's not though right so you know Mike Mike claims is that it's really just a gear. It's not this this is the first time you feel good about this team since the 2017 2018 year it is and we say otherwise that I want to end up with people all you got 2018 2019 team was in a locker room the last time you feel really good about the team. What I had to grillades now I had I got I got a broken I got a broken foot and I got I got a torn I got a torn MCL Am I writing like that's the last time this team was we were by oh my god, they're so close to the plateaus and they've they over achieved in those first couple years. This is the first year we're really Tatum really is the guy like fully the guy um, you know I mean, I mean what I was I will say here too because I mean we had no still had on auto campaign. But nobody fully to guide they were still they were still begging me to do stuff at times. You know, giving up JB stuff like that, like this is really the first year where it's okay. We're slowly putting it on tape number brown to be that so there's still growing pains that it has to happen when you're not depending on someone else to take you there. They are putting it on tape. They're putting it on brown. They're putting it on marker smart to a lesser stat. And Marcus smart has turned it has turned it around. He is someone that listen, I gave up on them sometimes on the show it gave up on them. A lot of salty sweater gave up on him. So there's a lot of there's a lot of nuances that have changed on that I've made people feel different about what was going on right now, that matters. And the one thing that we haven't talked about, which we're going to try to to try to write out is the ascension of Jayson Tatum that this last week was appropriate week. You know, you had Atlanta, Memphis, you know, and then Brooklyn on Sunday, and they go through a note and he dominated all three, the bald dome. So it's just like, you know, so you know, Bobby, I'll start with you. But how do you how does the ascension of Jayson Tatum really changed the trajectory of this team, not just for this season, but you know, going going forward.

Rob Kelly: 16:29

So ascension is a hard word for me. Because because he had already, he had already ascended to a level that we know he could go to. He you know, he had that game that I was at, dropping out real quick, where he dropped 64 against the Spurs and that huge comeback, that that that game was unreal. Then we have the game against the bucks. Where was the buck EF bucks first game of the season last year, where he scored I think it was almost 50 Hit the game winner at the end, that he goes toe to toe with KD a year and a half ago. The thing that has changed in his game to me is his decision making when it comes down to that that last couple minutes of the game. You guys remember a year and a half ago, Jayson Tatum with 10 seconds left on the clock was the scariest goddamn thing in the world. To me. It didn't matter if we were down to down one. That man was taking a step back 35 footer every single time. You don't see that anymore. And he was doing the hero ball in the last two minutes. You don't see that anymore. I don't know if maybe it was me that finally got in his head was like listen, dude, you know if you want to be, you know that superstar, there's a certain type of basketball you need to play and not just be the score. You need to be the leader and the playmaker of this team. And he's responded and you see it, man. It's a different type of basketball that he's playing because he still gets his points. But he he makes the plays that needs to be made in the crunch time. He makes those extra passes. He finds the open man against Atlanta was in Atlanta. No, I guess the pistons, the team that just is the biggest thorn in the Celtic side for some reason. He finds Payton Pritchard on an unbelievable pass in the last couple minutes of that game, Tyson is just plays like that, that in the past Tatum's going ISO ball, and he's driving to the hoop and he's gonna shoot some crazy fan, you know what I mean? It's just not gonna work out. And now it's just a different mindset that you see him having the court. And so essentially, it's tough for me, because I think he had already ascended to a level where like, you know, he was a respected among the NBA superstars and everything like that. But it's a different, it's a different mindset that he has now, just because you see that in the last couple minutes again.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 18:54

So get your thoughts, Mike. Yeah, Mike,

Rob Kelly: 18:56

I'm sure you have something to say about that.

Michael Marcangelo: 18:59

Jayson Tatum should be a top five NBA player. Right. And like when it's all said and done, he should be in the top, top 25 of all time, right? He has the talent to be there. You said that this ascension this year? You know, that's what you said, Ray, Bobby says that, you know, he's actually already been there. Aside from points per game. Statistically, he's worse this year than his career. I mean, he's a, he's a worst shooter. He is, I mean, from the field from three, I guess from free throw, he's fine. But he's he's doing the other things. Right. He's he is picking up the rebounds. He's averaging more assists this year, for sure. A little, a little more turnovers. But I don't, if you were to just look at his career stats. I know stats, don't tell the whole story. But before you say that, we I know you're gonna say that everyone, everyone listening knows that's gonna be your comeback to me. But if we're just looking at this right now, you'd say, well, points are up. But as percentages are all down, what else is happening? So I think that the real key here is he's learned how to increase his offensive output while keeping his teammates involved. I think that I mean, I do think that that, you know, that added 1.4 assists per game this year as opposed to his his his career, his total in the regular season. I think that that that makes sense. I think he needs to trust. Jalen, more I think he needs to trust I can't believe I'm saying this, Marcus more. And I do think having a solidified presence like ours. Horford there. I think that helps. I think owl is the quiet leader of the of that locker who keeps everybody in check. So if if Tatum keeps this up, and continues to get his keep his teammates involved, I'm all for it. I just what happens when he's up against what I'd say? Again, the Celtics are down 18 points and it's not to the San Antonio Spurs who are what have 25 wins this year. They're they're they're they're pretty bad. What happens? Those Tatum thing? I just do this all by myself and we fall short? Or does he keep that trust in his teammates? I think we can't really judge how big this this climb has been for him, or how mature he really is. Until Until we see him realize on the court, that in order for the team to win, he doesn't need to take all the shots. He just needs to facilitate all the shots.

Rob Kelly: 21:36

I think I think you'd see that more now. With so I think his his struggles at the beginning of the season. Really point to how he has changed because in the past when Jayson Tatum was struggling man, he was absent on the court. You know, you wouldn't even though he was out there, if the announcers didn't point it out to you. Now it's different where you noticed him on the court. Even if he's three or 14 from the field that night, he's making an impact on the basketball game. And that's something you didn't see from Tatum in the past. And that that's that's the biggest difference to me is when he's not scoring. He's still making a superstar type impact on the basketball game as a whole.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 22:18

Okay, so So, so you guys are speaking to that. That's, that's essentially it. But it's not it's not just about him getting the points per game. If you're if you're improving in every facet of the game, he and I forgot about that. You're right, my shooting numbers have been atrocious, so I forgot about you, right. Um, but in the in the biggest moments, he his shine bright, he shined the brightest. And I think once again, his testing had to be he has to be consistent, right? You know, we will see him get a 39 point game. Just remember the clip was a couple of years ago, and then it'd be eight points to a 13 with two rebounds forces us like yo, what is going on? Now you're not seeing those lapses in play, be nasty, the body language for him his chance to write better as something that DK Ahmed had labored on. Um, you know, on previous shows his body language now say, Look, when he when he passes the Walters teammate, not only does he expect them to make the shot, he celebrates them as soon as they make it. So whether he raises his hands in the air on one of the threes, whether he passed them on a backside like he is doing everything a leader is supposed to do, and I'm sure that's where our spokes spoke to him. Excuse me. I'm sure that's what coach your doctor has said to him. So, you know, something, something that all Charles Barkley or butterball inside the NBA A while ago, where he is spoke about what Kawhi Leonard was trying to take that leap, right, obviously, he was Finals MVP in 2014. And they kind of get the key. So when I kind of did get the keys there for a few years beforehand, going to Toronto, and talls the X, Ray Popovich. What? What was, what did you see? Kawhi? take that leap by what did you What did you see that? And he said, when were Kawhia notice that it was about the plates being made, or the plates were drawn up as written. It's made for San Antonio to score. That's what gets us that leap. And I think that's what's happening. Remember, he Mesa is a mesa disciple of pop, I'm positive, he told him, the goal was for Boston to score. Not not Jayson Tatum. So that that I think that he's realizing that that's getting that bet in his brain. It's like, okay, he realizes, okay, it's about Boston scoring. So if I need to make that Pastor why I'm going to do so if I can just throw that lob off as I draw to up to raw wins, I'm going to do so so the game is slowing down. And he's picking apart the defense. So it said me that's what essentially means is not necessarily just the points per game, the or you know, just because he's shooting for three from the field 33 for three, and I guess he shouldn't at from the line, but we're still me, I still should be but he shouldn't be in the high 80s In my opinion. Um, but that's what essentially means. They're awesome. Any any words on that before I get off?

Michael Marcangelo: 25:03

The one thing the one thing I would say is I know that it's it's it's a long gone era, but um, you know, there was there was a quote or a snippet that I that I saw once where Kevin McHale said, you know, Larry Bird could control the game with 12 shots. No, you can go seven of 1222 points, eight rebounds, six assists, and he controlled the entire game. Now obviously, it's, it's a different NBA like you're not going to get one of your like the best player on a team to settle for 12 shots game anymore, it's probably not going to happen. But if Jayson Tatum can get to a point where he controls the entire outcome of the game, taking 18 shots a game I'm fine I'm fine with that. Because that that that will then show us for real that that he has made that ascension. And he knows that he's a great player. And he knows how to make others around him. Great. Yeah,

Rob Kelly: 25:52

I think I think we talked about his shooting, I think was telling about that is even with the lowest and worst shooting marks of his career, Jason stadium, Jason stadium. Yeah. Where's the guy, the guy from the transporter. Jayson Tatum is still a third in the league and scoring is the third highest points per game in the league. So it's I get great, he's not shooting that great. He's still finding a way to get his points. He's still get into the line 1012 times a game, he's still doing what needs to be done to put up the point to get his teammates involved, which is shown by I've never seen this. In the Tatum/Brown era. The Celtics have four other players on the team. Counting Derrick white, since we acquired him that are averaging double digits and points. Marcus smart 11.8 Derrick white 11.8 Robert Williams 10 points a game. And also I didn't know this. He's the the week's most efficient offensive player in the game. number one ranked the crazy. Al Horford also 10 points per game. That's something that you just haven't seen from from this core, with Tatum and Brown, being able to get those other pieces involved and have them consistently make those plays. I mean, he had it with Rozier in the past, but Rozier would just disappear for 5-10 games at a time. You know, I mean, it was it was just a different type type of squat and in for you to see for me to see that consistently, consistently across the board for this team just gets me going. gets me excited. We know one more thing without the Celtics. Brad might have gone here eventually. But the biggest thing for me is Al Horford. Man, I don't think that there can be enough said about the play of Al Horford. He, at the beginning of the season looked like a shell of himself those first like 20 to 30 games. He was horrible man. Horrible. The turnaround that you've seen from him is he looks like Al Horford of five six years ago. Man. He's flying around. He's playing switch defense he can. The other night I saw him switch on the Kyrie and shut him down. Al Horford switched onto Kyrie Irving and shut him down. It's unbelievable to me that still at his age, he's making that kind of impact in the game and you I forget which one you said earlier. He absolutely is such a big piece to the to the chemistry in the leadership of this team. Because you you see it when algos when outplays great, the Celtics are on point when hours off. Things are a little shaky for the first two to three quarters. So I think as scary as that says, As algos, I think we go if owl has this type of play in the playoffs. I do think we have a chance to get to make a deep run here.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 28:46

Well, I mean, we saw that in the 2018 one right. So yeah, you know, he dominated this Philly. He did really well. Garni Jada's and then Milwaukee series in that first round a few years back, so he did well in the Chicago Pro Series. So he's really been a stabilizing force really his entire career. So it's not just you know, here in Boston, but he did in Atlanta. He added some games in Oklahoma City before he chose to Sam for the you know, the season. So, you know, he's you know, he's a five time all star for for a reason. So, you know, his his passion, his three point shot falling again, as what tastings, right? Because if you're going to play that double big lineup, you need someone that's going to space, a four legged rod room, you know, and the pape, so him drawing up that for that five levers guarding him, and hitting back three, and also being a secondary playmaker from the elbow, that changes everything for the subject team, offensively and even defensively when he's out there. So, um, it's just, it's just, it's been awesome to see is the surgery that as you as you said, so, but I mean, you know, how, but how much of that really is the coaching? Right. And that's, that's what I want to talk about next. Right, you know, docos in his first season, he just want to coach at a month, or in February, I think they had won the Best bracket to February, really the Celtics history, no matter the era, so you know what, that's all barred rivers, Brad, whoever, um, you know, so, you know, Mike, I'll start with you. You know, we've had our own battles about coaching and how, you know, if it matters, it doesn't matter, you know, so, you know, certain people need to get fired, so to speak. So, you know, have you been impressed with you know, dhoklas job so far, and, you know, how do you how do you think he's changed all the coach so far?

Michael Marcangelo: 30:33

Yeah, I do think that for a long time that this team needed a coach that wasn't afraid to get into it star players face and Let them know when they're doing or what they're doing wrong and what to do better for the team. I also think that it would have been easy for a first year coach that didn't have such a strong makeup to, you know, 18 and 21, when the when the new year starts with all with three top 10 picks in the last 10 years, you could have let that go off the rails. And, and he, he kept it together. And I think, you know, you're starting to see not it's not all pop, right? Because this guy, you know, he's his own man, I think you can see his, his footprint and his and his intent on this team already. And, yeah, um, I just hope that when it really matters, again, I'm not I'm really not trying to be a pessimist here. But he trusts himself. He doesn't do what the star players in this team think he should do, and not counting time. So if he's building this great foundation, he's earning the trust of the team. He's running it the way he wants it to. And they're doing all the things that that he wants him to do, then when things get tougher, in the postseason, stick with it, and well, but as of right now, I'm super impressed. But before we go to Bobby, if I could just add one little layer to this. I think the presence of email Dhoka Dhoka. And a general manager who has recently been a coach, and who knows the makeup of this team, and knows what what levers to pull and when to pull them. As opposed to you know, I love Danny, Danny Barnes, a championship, I get it. But Danny will always add players that he thought would make the Celtics better in his eyes. Brad is making changes and adding players that he knows will make the somethings better, because he was just there. And he knows the guys on the court. So I think having a GM who's, you know, just removed as a head coach of the same team makes a hell of an impact as well. Yeah.

Rob Kelly: 32:43

So to piggyback off that to Mike, I think that's a great point. Because the the moves that Brad made in the offseason kind of had Danny read all over it, didn't it? Bring in us bringing in Richardson, Brandon Schroeder, bringing in these dudes who like when you look at the team, they don't really fit with the mesh of the team. They're just kind of dudes that you know, are solid, but they're not really going to get the job done when it comes to the mesh of the entire team. To me, I think the biggest thing that you saw from Brad was that trade deadline man and, and not to make this a brad Tadge. I know we were talking about me, we'll get back to but the fact that he made those deals for Derrick white, and he made the deal to get to get rid of Schroeder to get rid of Richardson to get rid of these dudes that you know in the past Danny wasn't admitting he made mistakes he was hanging on to these dudes to the bitter end if they were working or not. Brad cut bait immediately was like we need to do it in here who could who could who can do the damn thing and brought in dark white. And it's such a big difference when it comes to the makeup of the team. And I think me deserves a lot of the credit for that because I guarantee you he was in Brad's office being like, listen, dude, this is not working. It's clear that the makeup of this team is not going to get us to where we want to go. And we need to bring in dudes who are going to have the mindset that we need and bringing in a dude like Derek White from his days in San Antonio, I think was such a big move for me because I right I know we talked about it. He 100% was all over that move. He was in Brad's office like bring me Derrick white. This dude is what we need. So yeah, yeah, I love me right now. I think me uh, you know, I said it last week on the show with you read or two weeks ago Celtics fans of brutal man this dude had never coached an NBA game in his career. You know what I mean? Let go course there's got to be growing pains he's literally never done it. Have you ever walked into something and been like yeah, bro I got this they want no problem give them some time. You know what I mean? And and you see it with with how the makeup and how the the way the theme is playing out and he has his hands all over it.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 35:03

A lot of fans are like might and that that's that's why they were going off the what there was no grace period it's either you do this now when you suck they deal with there was no you know, saying there was no in between? There was there was no let's just see what happens. It's like look, you got to top you got to replace on the 25 get the job done. There's no excuses. So and I fall in that category, and I was pissed off we have to all but not realize like wait a minute, like damn, like we gave we gave rad eight years with this. Like to expect it to change and like you said within six to seven months, um and it has Because the baby's the Baltimore, which is where you send us press numbers right to brand space, he said, we're going to move the ball more and less in this space essentially, if you remember, go back and watch it on YouTube is there. But I do feel I feel like fans felt like Mike and some others, which is okay, I get it. You know, you're doing

Michael Marcangelo: 35:59

a couple of things. I just want to not that I feel like I'm being attacked, but I do. I do. I do. I do have quite the victim complex right now. Two things. They didn't give Brad eight years they gave Brad four years with the with this makeup right with Smart, Tatum and brown. He had four years. And he obviously he wasn't the guy. But if you remember, I don't know if you said if I said it on the show. Or if I said it to you to you all in a group in a group chat. I said, I think it was after like the first 10 games right? said well, guess it wasn't the coach. I guess it wasn't his fault. Because they weren't showing it just looked like on the court. The body language the teamwork. I wasn't I wasn't blaming your dhoka I fully believe that it this is a player's league. And that when you have a team that is constructed of two top players under 25, three top 10 picks in the last again 10 years. You uh you should know how to handle yourself and they didn't but I was never called for either to be fired or

Rayshawn Buchanan: 37:05

no not not not nine to call it but what I mean is you are in New York you've already said it during this segment like you because it's like look, you do this now you've banned us for a couple of years like you had you have to find a way to get it done. So because they had that mindset like what am I saying about you getting getting your dog for five months and that's what you wanted, but because fans had a lot of bands that have similar muscles it was like they because they were already pissed off there was already scored for what happened last year and the year before? Um it was just like there was no there was there was no there was no grace period and also two people saw I mean great it was a whole different roster but people also see what happened when the nurse a few years ago granted it helps when you get Kawhi Leonard all your team for your first year and you wouldn't you wouldn't be a championship you know, let's get it and once again that's a lot of team had been there too right VanVleet um, you know Lowry siakam You know that that team had been that's him had been around but wasn't gonna add a superstar that was ready to win like Hawaii. So it's a whole different different ballgame. All but I want to get back to you. That's what this is about. It's not about the nurse, but I'm gonna

Rob Kelly: 38:16

tangent about it.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:20

That's what we do. Right? So we do, let's say

Michael Marcangelo: 38:22

Broadway. Is that you?

Rob Kelly: 38:24

Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:26

What are you doing baby was little man. Oh,

Rob Kelly: 38:29

is it always in our heads? Right, exactly.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:31

Ready for you, baby? No, um, no, that does does what? You know, I'll plead I'm pleased with what he's done. Um, you know, showing the rotation has been huge, honestly. Huge. No, um, you know, I was you know, I to me, I can't believe how people were worried about well, he you know, take up a random plane about 30 minutes don't do 24 and 25 Yeah, like, right, if they were 31 or 32 I'm like, okay, like it's a little slow much like how should it be playing 30 tuples in the ash and play around 2425 And do you want to ramp it up to 30 maybe come you know come play all the time but other than that, I might listen so rotations mean he was he said okay, these are the eight or nine guys that I trust on the floor at all times. And it's worked now I'm hopefully they get they get a lock in and see where they can arrest guys. Um, you know, towards the end. Tam is probably not going to rest Tatum believes in playing every game. He's done. It really is working. This is working here. Outside of COVID Verlander issue so he's probably going to play but um you know good Jaylen Brown that rescued out of that rest and you know let's see regarding our to do list you know, let's see if it makes me think get you know, get get some quality minutes. So, also tonight I want to add on. So what we saw with broccoli we just talked about Brad. Um, how do I feel about the next Oscar signing? Signing? Excuse me? Um, I watched some of his tape I remember him and Michigan playing with Trey Burt's

Rob Kelly: 39:57

bro love nikto you know ma'am a March Madness guy Love Me Syndics

Rayshawn Buchanan: 40:01

I'll start with you Bobby. But um, you know what, what were your thoughts about that signing?

Rob Kelly: 40:06

So first I want to talk about the rotation piece of this. I think it's so huge to me, man. That no matter the shortening of rotation was so big because no matter who's on the court now there's there's there's nothing that there's no there's no point that you look at the rotation and you're like okay, there is there's a player MicroMasters just threw me off bro there there is a there's no one on the court. There's no Romeo Langford moments. There's no moments where you know, there's people giving you those empty minutes that we that we've seen for so many years now with the with the I mean Naismith had his moments but with the naysmith minutes with the with the Lankford minutes with who who is I can't say tamale waters with you know what I mean these dudes that have absolutely no business this year an MBA course in crunches that was going on for years. Were you looking at this up to five? You're like, how is this man on the court right now? And you don't have that right now? That's a godsend to me. Because there's nothing worse than me than playing four or five basketball the last two minutes of a game? Um, I, I have to say that social scanning man that confused me, I don't. Great. Yeah, he had an amazing couple days. What does it

Rayshawn Buchanan: 41:37

remind you of though? Who? Who is it? We don't know. I haven't asked about the Uzi remind you?

Rob Kelly: 41:45

I mean, I don't know. I'm intrigued that, so

Rayshawn Buchanan: 41:49

send me He reminds me of a lesson. Gordon Hayward. If you watch his highlights, he has the same type of bounces. Gordon Hayward. He says like, he seems boring. I Yeah. He so he He reminds me I remember rash the

Rob Kelly: 42:04

6060 twice in a week and the G league right. Yeah. So

Rayshawn Buchanan: 42:08

no, he so remember, you know, he loved he loves you know, Rusty was loved Gordon Hayward. Obviously you play with them and play with them. Butler comes here. Obviously, it didn't work out the way that we envisioned. But, you know, some guy that gets you 35 From three? Um, you know, he's six, six, you know, I don't know if you're really a great defender.

Rob Kelly: 42:27

The deal is the deal itself for the two year commitment and like, I feel like it was just a lot. I got the alert. And I was just very confused by it. Because like, listen, I saw those highlights. I saw him drop those 60 And I watched it. I was like, Oh, that's cool. I love Nick Stokes. Guess that's awesome, bro. Elliot. Because you know you ever heard his name literally said you said the tray birthdays at Michigan. Right. But then all of a sudden, I got the word, the Celtics. And I was like, oh, that's two years. And it wasn't just like a veteran minimum contract. Like think they gave him some dough. All right.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 43:06

Well, actually, no, actually, they especially the similar the same year they give Jabari Parker last year, so okay, it was a two year deal with the second year being not guaranteed

Rob Kelly: 43:15

because it's like, it's like a futures contract. Yeah, exactly. So it's

Rayshawn Buchanan: 43:19

really it's really nothing on it's really pennies on the dollar. Um, you know, but Mike, I'll bring you into the studio. I know. We've talked off the air about, you know, how we need to value

Rob Kelly: 43:29

Nick soska visions, bro. Yeah, no, no,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 43:32

no, no, no, no, not necessarily on the stuff that we just talked about how shooting is a pointer to an MBA. So you know, we just talked about 35% of shooting. So, you know, where do you see him fitting there? Like, what what's up, but where do you think he should get more minutes then? You know, pushing any spins right away? Or? Or, you know, should it be someone that's just really at the end of the bench? Like what are your thoughts on that? Yeah,

Michael Marcangelo: 43:52

so I think that we need we need to really see if it's the real big case rookie of the year candidate Payton Pritchard deserves to be on this deserves to be on this team and give him and give him as much as much as many minutes as you possibly can. Let's see if he can earn his way into this rotation. So I do think that staff skills should probably backfill him like he should be he should be a role player after Payton Pritchard because I think we need to we need to figure out Prichard first it sounds like you know, based on the contract and the terms we could if we don't if we don't learn anything more about stuff because this year we can always wait till next year right? I think now's the time with how the team is playing to figure out if if if Payton Pritchard is going to be a viable option at the point guard position like if he's gonna like is he gonna be Marcus smart in a couple years or? Or was that was that it was that a wasted pick? But this dare you this feels like it's it's a brad signing like it's a really smart Simon it's almost my goal to do that. I'm not to be that guy. But it's it's there's value we know we can shoot. So maybe if we need someone to come in, you know, right before halftime to to to hold a lead and to put up some points that this could be the guy so I mean, let's let's see how it goes. Yeah, I

Rayshawn Buchanan: 45:15

mean, I'm hoping that's the case on honestly it and I'm sorry, I'm, I'm out on a Smith sorry. So it let's say I'm I'm praying that this works. I'm praying that God Smith and aside because of the injury I just think that he he doesn't hit he does not come as advertised. Yeah.

Rob Kelly: 45:36

Yeah, he he his his court vision is garbage garbage. You know,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 45:40

he saw He saw For the 2% for free, so Okay, great. So you came in to get and you want to be someone like, you know, like a bright berry so named after you did right? Someone that goes Decker shoot threes and, and and play a little defense but you know he's a hustle guy which is why he got out on the court last year but it's like bro like you don't hit shots and lessons in suddenly so you telling me I gotta play with Vegas to do to be a relevant player? Get the fuck out of here. Get that next Oscar. Let's go. Um, he was number eight number eight overall picker 2014 Same draft this Marcus smart what two picks behind him? Um, you know, he found a little bit of funding in Philadelphia didn't work there and was frustrated a couple of times. Um,

Rob Kelly: 46:24

he's asked about a clippers, right imagine that he was going

Rayshawn Buchanan: 46:27

out to buy Sacramento Adam at Sacramento didn't got traded to Philly, I believe played in Portland. You really put me my dollars on the spot here. Oh, he was also he also had a quick stint with Miami earlier this year, too. Yeah, bro.

Rob Kelly: 46:41

I hope you know that. Like us being able to have a conversation about Nick's houseguest for 20 minutes is a completely different level that most people aren't at. Just listen. Yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 46:58

Yeah, no, that's cool. Given. You've given us our flowers, I'll take it. I'll take it. But no, I just I think that he really can be a Bible piece. Like remember what Jabari Parker was saying. It was a it was confusion amongst many self spends, as well. But you know, he had a good he had a good as soon as it gets Brooklyn in the playoffs last year. Um, you know, there was games down the stretch that they went out of one all without his offensive contribution. So

Rob Kelly: 47:23

that's who knows maybe that a statement ever, bro.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 47:27

Right. But it shows how bad debts he was. Yeah. And it's like, we don't like once again, because we were we saw them make three out of four conference finals. It was like wow, when you start attending round like no, they will, they will, they will. They will depending on your bike parking level depending on trips to tops that it was depending on like if there was so many of them depending on a rookie, a nice amount of rookie bambridge like that that should not be a part of the core of your core six or seven. Trying to win on that you have a little more depth like that we got big I read the basketball weight. So once again, kudos to Brad for really putting a team around Tatum and Brown that's going to work not necessarily the piece that you think is gonna work how did he did would say look, this team we suitors so except to essentially their playmaking ability of brow has become a better playback the 10 become has become a better playmaker. So with that happening, that's where this team will take new pipes not only this season, but you know going forward and longest Tatum and brown are at the helm. So I want I want to get into something else. Before we before we switch gear. So obviously we're about a month out from you know, the playoffs so, um, you know, just want to give a little quick preview so Bobby, I'll start with you. Um, you know, it was it seemed that she feel like something's would mesh well with, um, in the first round.

Rob Kelly: 48:50

So first round, so let me look at the playoff picture here. Now say I wasn't prepared, but

Rayshawn Buchanan: 48:56

you got my MP. You got Miami.

Michael Marcangelo: 49:01

Definitely prepared you. It's like soska It's just sit you're in the face.

Rob Kelly: 49:05

It really just started thinking about all this Michigan shit. Berg, tre?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 49:10

Miami, Chicago, Cleveland. I know we're

Rob Kelly: 49:16

getting up we're not we're not going to get up to three right. So I think I think I think right now, what we're looking at, unfortunately, I think we're gonna end up with around Chicago, right. Oh, what do you so think about it this way? What's the highest highest? You can see the Celtics climb climbing in the standings? right three? No, no. absolute highest.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 49:40

I don't I don't want the PI to three. I don't want this true. The first one I do not. So don't do not go for the one see. I'm so

Rob Kelly: 49:49

best case scenario. So I have a

Rayshawn Buchanan: 49:52

couple on this show. And Miko work Angelo. Say. Yo, job 50. Your guy got 17 and, you know, he says he sucks. So let's go into the office. I can't deal with that. So I'm not I promise you so no, you're not gonna put my seat at the President's gonna win a plane back. If people think otherwise. You're smoking dope. He was gonna win a tournament. Like, let's let's not be dumb. So Tyrion and Katie are enough. I know. Even if they don't get him as an air like, I'm good. So I know in Ohio three, but it gets into okay.

Rob Kelly: 50:32

So based off that analysis, cool. We got Cleveland. So our three three options right Cleveland, Chicago, Toronto. Right, those are the three most likely options at the Celtics end up playing. If you give me a pick between them as Cleveland all day, Lissa it's a great story. Jared Allen's awesome. Evan mobile is awesome. Therese garland love him. But they're unproven. They're they're the Celtics of three years ago, without Kyrie you know, they're the team that that's unproven, that that, you know, it's just gonna be in there for the cup for the experience for future runs for this this court. So if you're asking me which one I want is definitely Cleveland. Second is Toronto. They're obviously you know, not the team I used to vouch for and go to battle for would you okay?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 51:25

They're pretty good, though.

Rob Kelly: 51:26

Yeah. They're solid. They're exactly. They're exactly what they I said they were two years ago, without the talent that they had two years ago. Um, you know, they're still a solid basketball team, but they don't have Kyle Lowry common anymore. They don't have Tamara de Rosen. Their best players. siakam He's awesome. Blessing Robin Williams gonna handle siakam So those are the two for sure. I will keep an eye out is Cleveland in Toronto? Chicago scares me because they get healthy. They're their strength is our strength. You know what I mean? Wing versus wing. And then it's the rest of the core that that you're going up against? And I I honestly think Chicago cores a little better than ours, with Lonzo. Vukovich EO coming out this year. I think Chicago will be really tough matchup for us.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 52:20

There guys have not been there though. Like yeah, man. It was a problem though. He

Rob Kelly: 52:25

is He was good man.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 52:26

He was very, I like lucid vision. But I'm like outside of game one. Like, I mean, when he said our window, they always want to game one when they made the playoffs, but then we get smacked the next four. I'm the Rosen Listen, as has been the MVP candidate. He's in the conversation for being a

Rob Kelly: 52:42

real. I'll tell you what he really he said some same game parlays. For some people, I'll tell you what is dropped by yesterday. That night.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 52:52

So he's been he's been phenomenal. Um, it wasn't that long. I mean, obviously, Crystal was our championship team with Lakers a few years ago. But, you know, a lot of their core pieces have not been battle tested. So, um, luckily, you know, despite what's going on the Celtics have mainly our best our two best players, whether they've been role players or they've been the guys so, you know, they've seen they've seen a lot and in careers. Um, obviously, you didn't even name the team, but I want to see it.

Michael Marcangelo: 53:24

Go. Come on. No way, dude. So alright, so I was gonna say I want to Philadelphia because I know that will not win in what matters. It will just reinforce my belief that Docker was is a great regular season head coach. But he's he chokes unless he has three Hall of Fame talents. Now I get it. Philadelphia is better with James Harden. They sure are. Absolutely. I love it. I think that that opens up the door for Joel and bead and makes him that much better. Because now they can't just all stand around you all and be because Ben Simmons who could be the greatest basketball player in the world if there was no basket is no longer there. Right.

Rob Kelly: 54:05

Mike? This is the best basketball analysis you've ever given.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 54:10

Oh, no, no, that was good. I'm glad I stopped myself.

Michael Marcangelo: 54:15

And secondly, for the same reason I just mentioned, I want Brooklyn. I would I would love and I'm gonna play I'm gonna say the opposite what you said, I think with this team the way that it is constituted right now. And, you know, if everyone's healthy Durant's gonna go off, Kyrie is gonna have a really good game too. Yep. And Sam is taken to do anything. I mean, he's happy to do anything. And by the way, the Celtics, some members of this team, the definitely al Horford, they owned Ben Simmons in the playoffs, by the heat we are in his head. So I would I would prefer to go against Philadelphia because the doc I would then settle for Brooklyn. And then next I think if they have a chance to get in, and depending on house how seating goes, I wouldn't I mean, I also would not mind Charlotte. I mean, I think that we can I think that we can we can match up pretty well against him as well.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 55:18

Yeah, no, I'm glad I stopped myself. That was great. Oh,

Rob Kelly: 55:23

that was a man.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 55:26

Honestly, Oh, God. I don't think we can really leave it at that. But any other final words before we move on to the NFL?

Rob Kelly: 55:37

Um, no, just that. No, no, I area.

Michael Marcangelo: 55:42

I mean, before we move on to the to the boys of fall, I think we should probably just pause for a second and talk a little bit more about the voice of spring and summer. And I don't know about I don't know about you, right. I do know Bobby skills. But have you? You played golf recently? Your golfer

Rob Kelly: 56:03

is very new, I think.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 56:04

Yeah, I am not.

Michael Marcangelo: 56:06

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Rob Kelly: 56:51

It's not going to be any Chubbs teaching you how to play golf on skilless. Okay, not going to be shot with his with his wooden hand. Reference. No,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 57:00

no, it's my turn my turn. Right. Well, let's get into some NFL man. So, uh, I knew Bobby had to be on this show when I saw this distorted for we're gonna talk about at first. Oh, Calvin. Really, man? I'm 15 No, $1,500 parlay, man. I'm crazy. Let me set the scene. I got you. I know. You're excited. 1500 I love parlay you know, got gotten him a year law suspension. So you know, Yes, Bobby, I got to start with you as the main betting man on this show. You know, what are your thoughts as the story unfolded,

Rob Kelly: 57:46

bro, it's so crazy that like, so what when you talk about? So I just have so many questions. You know what I mean? That's where I'm at is like, I have so many questions regarding this. Like, like, if he if he did this on FanDuel. Right. So what is what is he thinking, bro, you have to input to register on FanDuel you have to verify your identity and input your social security number. So you're telling me that he didn't sit there thinking like, oh, man, I wonder if they can track this. Then on top of that, all right. Was that get it? It's legal vow, you know, not saying it was right to do but like, I understand that like just to go I'm not playing both. Once you get caught stay off a Twitter bro. I've never seen someone incriminate in and put themselves further into that I stalk Calvin Radley do in the three, four hours following him getting to stand it up for you to look for you. Like I came get it out for you to tweet. I don't have first first the first tweet. First one. I don't have a betting addiction. I only I only bet $1,500 Let me comment. Do not raise the point. Second. free for you to tweet. Follow that tweet up. Follow it all the comments below. Along with you. For you to follow it up being like well, you know, I only got a year. Lol. Bro. What? Like, no,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 59:42

I yeah, I'm also worried I'm gonna go ahead Mike because like

Rob Kelly: 59:51

it's it's unbelievable man and what? I just had too many more questions because like the mental health aspect of it, like that whole thing that

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:00:01

I'm not I'm not gonna put that out there but

Rob Kelly: 1:00:04

to me so many layers, but just so many layers than before right now, bro. He left the league in November for mental health issues. Do you know when he got caught betting on the NFL in November? So I'm just saying like, I don't know. There's so many different questions. I have so many.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:00:30

Go ahead. But I think that this is the most NFL like suspension that we've seen in. I mean, this is what Kept what you can't do expect right Ray Rice to games only because there was a video no one ever planted add a bed to go there. He got definitely yeah, sure I get I get that okay. Adrian Peterson felony child abuse six games Greg Hardy, I mean came we can't really get into what he did because it's so graphic 10 games reduced to four zekiel Elliott six games for hitting a woman, Calvin Ridley 17 games for using FanDuel Josh Gordon six seasons for smoking weed. That's where we're at. So, all we know, is that excuse it is it is okay. It is okay to assault to sexually assault to maybe even rape a woman if you are a man in the NFL. And you're going to get a slap on the wrist. Now if there's a video of said encounter, you're going to get banned for a little while. Right? But what you can't do what you can't do is use promo code NFL to pay on yourself. If you're a player, even though it's on every fucking banner in the stadium. Even though they have boxes of each stadium dedicated to FanDuel to DraftKings. The NFL is in bed with with online gambling, sports betting. But But wait. Can't do that. You do that you're out. You're out for the season. Oh, yeah. I get the issues of well, what if I even said like, well, what? What is the bet? What if he bet the under on himself for catches? Sure, like there? You could throw again? I understand. But you're for a full year are we are we are we crazy? Is this really happening right now? A full year

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:02:37

ever applied? Listen, ladies, gentlemen, I'm sorry, not black male, but it's just not funny. But this is like damn like I'm just oh god probe record of Oh, I lost it after that. I had enough belt. But so my god no.

Rob Kelly: 1:02:53

Problem is the problem. No, so we'll open this is the problem the suspension for Calvin Ridley or the the lack of suspension for everyone else right. I mean, to me, man, if first of all if if he actually did better in a game that he was in? And he affected that? I don't you got I saw this decay. You gotta set an example of that. And I don't I don't disagree with him being suspended for the season. Just because you know, because if you open that can of worms, man, with it being legal now. And then like you said, having press boxes dedicated to FanDuel having literally half probably they probably made over $500 million this year strictly on legal sports betting through FanDuel right the NFL as a whole. You can't you can't let your players even think about

Michael Marcangelo: 1:03:54

okay, buddy. Before before you go before you go around. I'm just I'm just gonna say this real quick. The fact that you just rationalize the and you prioritize the

Rob Kelly: 1:04:05

I'm not prioritize No, no, no, no, no,

Michael Marcangelo: 1:04:07

hold on, hold on hold on that in your in the logic that you are that you're that you're communicating with right now is that the NFL and you're right is prioritizing. We need to make sure that the game stays like that the authenticity and accuracy of the game is paramount. So that's if you if you break that law, or if you go against that stand your app because we can't have anyone corrupting the game. But by all by all means, man. Go slap the hell out of somebody and throw them on a on a on on a on a couch bed for a gun full of guns. I promise as long as there's no video. We'll get you back yo

Rob Kelly: 1:04:47

days, bro.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:04:48

After four seasons. Yeah, okay. Yeah, no,

Rob Kelly: 1:04:51

I know completely here. What is that? Alright, fair enough.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:04:54

Sorry, right. Razor

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:04:58

wasn't bad. Listen to this. It is wrong. It is it's wrong. It's wrong. So let me get serious for a moment, man. But let's say I'm 17 Games was warranted because of the stupidity. Forget about the authentic authenticity. Forget about the integrity of the game. Oh, full stupidity alone. He deserved the seasons long suspension on Saturday said it best 1500 cars show as 11.5 letters. And that's it and Shana Sharpe said that's hustling backwards. Yeah. And so it's, it's, it's unbelievable, like to the point that Michael said I'm glad you went there. Good. Are you missing out on some national? Awesome national souls? And I'm glad those teams I'm glad those out there. I'm glad you highlighted it. Um, because it speaks to a bigger point, you know, the fact that, you know, you think stuff does Okay, or, or is deemed more okay then, um, you know, you know, the integrity game really lets us know what you think of, you know, women and children in this world, you'll regret regardless of what that look like. So, you know, that that's a, that's a, that's a moral thing on which is, you know, it once again, they know they can get away with that because people regardless of what goes down, um, you know, once the list is less than the video, like we, like we mentioned to, like we mentioned, I should say, um, people are still going to watch and support the product. Just star yeah, that's, that's what's going to happen. It is never going to stop. You know, the day they run everything. Um, yeah, when it comes to your saw, I get it. But, um, listen and listen to Kevin really useful for a lot of now. And I'm sorry, this is my boy, Mike, that he listened to this. I might I had to bring this up. I know. I wasn't gonna bring it up. But I had two dogs. I buy he's, he's he's from he's from Fort Lauderdale. I'm here to do was say today was so different in Miami Dade people. And I won't disclose everything I've said on on on a group chat, because, you know, I want to stay on the air. But you know, this man, he graduated at 20 years old. And I'm just gonna leave it at that. He graduated 20 years old. So that lets you know when to stop receiving mental health or not, um, brother's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:07:18

I mean, at the end of the day,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:07:22

it's like you're talking to a teacher, class class has not been a session in a long time.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:07:28

At the end of the day,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:07:31

it is as a habit. I'm trying to be serious Shall I try to it's a serious thing, but it's just like, damn, like, once again, I'm dealing with mental health right now. And we want to be transparent. I'm dealing with issues right now. Oh, like doctors talk to me about being depressed like that. Like it is real. Oh, I'm depressed knowing that this man lost 11.5 That's right. Yeah, I didn't go see somebody about that cuz I need some of that money bothering you some of that money might need some of that money. And so to show DK and Craig, we need we need that money so you can support us alone with skill is just saying.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:08:07

I think at the end of the day, though, it's hard to follow that but the end of the day, right? It's, it all goes back to to protect protect the shield. You got to protect the shield. You can't compromise the game. What you can do is you can assault a woman or a child as long as the video back like please don't smoke we much rather you get addicted to painkillers though. Just pop us is art because our team doctors will write you those prescriptions for those man all day long. Please don't smoke a plant that is legal in most states in this country, please. Or else yeah, you're going

Rob Kelly: 1:08:41

to couple points. So if I was in the NFL, I would have been bad fucking five years ago, bro. The bedding and the weed smoke. It would have been it would have been it here faster than Josh Gordon and fucking Calvin Ridley combined. Secondly, when it comes to the, the money portion of talking to right, that's where I really get lost because like listen, all the betting and it was really the one alright, Pete Rose. He didn't he wasn't making I know. I'm different. He wasn't he didn't make the money that today's athletes make you know what I mean? He wasn't as well off in a setup as athletes now are. So to me. I think it's even more blasphemous and even more crazy that this dude is is not only sacrificing. His his his, you know, reputation, everything about it. But he's also sacrificing like you said, right? Oh, $11.4 million for a $1,500 bet. Pete Rose, graduate. He had way more money than everyone back then. But he rose doesn't have that type of money now. And he's not you know what I mean? It's a whole different level of one. NFL player. Well, he might not. Yeah, he might. He might because of his own. Yeah, but I'm just saying like, in general, I more understand where he rose from with all of this than I ever would with cover. I have to say well, because like I

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:10:14

guess Paul Giamatti day, but you know, hey,

Michael Marcangelo: 1:10:17

it's just like if you ever lose yourself in a position where it can be construed even if you didn't, even if you didn't do this, right. That that the game that you played in on that day that you bet if you bet on yourself, so if you bet on yourself to have more catches, right. are you causing Matt rides to look your way more than the open man? If you if you bet on yourself to have less catches, are you throwing again, you You just, I mean, referees get reprimanded for talking about fantasy football with players. This, this is on NFL miked up from two years ago. How do you watch that and say, You know what I'm going to do. I'm going to enter in my social security number, get my blood type and my home address. I'm going to bet money and they won't catch me.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:11:03

Listen, listen.

Rob Kelly: 1:11:05

Free go read it. Also, just to add on. I bought on the Falcons a few times this year. Alright. Is this the story? Is he bet on the Falcon? I promise you he didn't win that battle. I can guarantee you that if he bet on the Falcons. He wasn't winning that bet.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:11:22

Oh, you didn't get any get nothing else he This sucks was 1500 cost you almost so many dollars, but um, listen to the moral of the story. Kids. Get you a middleman. Alright, so

Rob Kelly: 1:11:36

all get you a fall guy? Yeah. True.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:11:44

Yeah, exactly. Um, so we've also had a bit of a, you know, a mini QB carousel, even though one of them stayed at home. But, um, you know, so obviously, you know, Russell Wilson got traded to Denver, Carson Wentz got traded to the Washington, a Manders. You know, so, Mike, I'll start with you. All, you know, what were your thoughts? As you saw the moves go down today?

Michael Marcangelo: 1:12:07

Yeah, I think the move that surprised me more was was Russell Wilson to Denver. I think now, I think it makes sense. I and there are people coming out saying the Denver paid too much? I don't think so. Man. I think what you've learned and what we've seen over the last I don't know, what was it eight years since it's a pain retired is that Denver doesn't not know how does not know how to draft a quarterback, but does not know how to find a good quarterback and free agency. So you have an offense that you think is just missing that that position and Russell Wilson on this team now. I mean, it sucks up there in the West because they have to have to go through Kansas City and contend with LA. But they're now they're now a contender. They're I mean, they're not a they're not a an eight nine team or a 710 team, but they were last year. You know, Russell Wilson makes you 11 wins. You're 11 and 16 You see what happens? I love that deal. And I think I'm really more interested to see now what happens with with Seattle does is Pete Carroll and his that regime and they're able to to build almost a a winner. Now I think in year one you know Drew lock I don't know if he's gonna be the guy. I don't know who else could come in and be the guy there. But you got some pics. You got you got no fun, right? So they got they got their their new tight end, which is the position that they've been terrible at. They've been historically bad, I think the entire time that Russell Wilson has been there. So that's an interesting part of the story. And then also, you mentioned Carson Wentz. Like that. He's he sucks. He just sucks so much. I mean, IV, he sucks. And and it's, it's so fitting that you have a suckier version of Kirk Cousins go to be a quarterback in Washington so that he can bring that team to go again. I think Ron Rivera is a hell of a head coach. I think that that that defense has finally figured it out as well. They have some really they have some pretty good skill players. If what we've learned from Carson Wentz, in our short, but detailed history with him is that when it matters when it matters, his cup size shrinks, right so it's like you're not gonna you're not you're not gonna win a playoff game. Or you're not you're definitely not gonna win a Super Bowl with Carson Wentz as your quarterback. The winner of that was was was Indianapolis. I don't know who their backup is. But they're better off without Carson Wentz.

Rob Kelly: 1:14:56

I can tell you one thing. The past 48 hours for me has been a very, very relieving 48 hours considering an FC quarterback that I have to worry about as a Dallas Cowboys fan has taken out Russell Wilson as someone that I have to play you know once every few years I added Carson Wentz back to my life who I get to play now twice per year so that that made me very happy very very happy. The hall for that Russell Wilson trade man was was unbelievable. Mike Mikey tough shot man. I haven't seen a hall like that maybe ever right It is reported as the biggest haul ever for trade. When I looked at it, I thought NBA that looks like the Anthony Davis trade to the Lakers man. All those draft picks all those players. I've never seen anything like it. I mean, it's warranted because Wilson is awesome. The biggest loser of the of all the trades that happen now has to be no offense, man. He goes from he got the notification, Denver Broncos trade for Russell Wilson. He was like, Yeah, let's go I get to catch passes. Russell Wilson, you kidding me? Included in trade. Drew aka No offense. That man went from 10 down to a two so fast. No, I completely agree with you, man. Russell Wilson makes the Broncos a contender immediately. Makes the AFC West. Possibly the best division in football? Right? Well, like would maybe not even possibly definitely the best.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:16:49

I mean, I think if all teams live up to their potential, you actually have what appears to be a pretty good head coach, and that knows how to work with quarterbacks in Las Vegas now. Now. Now you have a Super Bowl winning quarterback in Denver, Super Bowl winning quarterback in Kansas City. And then you have Justin Herbert in LA. I think that is the stars. Yeah, I think I think that is that's the division and also like for everyone that says that, that Denver paid too much, and that the hall was too big. Denver wants to win another one in the next five years. So if you do that, you need to you need you need to set up whatever team that you're trading that superstar for up for five years from now. And for Seattle again. What was it? Was it two first and two seconds? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's how you rebuild a team.

Rob Kelly: 1:17:37

Yeah, and I agree that I don't think that I heard that earlier this week that if someone said I think both teams are going to be losers, I completely disagree. I think both teams do end up winners and one of the rare cases in this trade because Mike like you said me yeah big haul. But what really did they lose in accordance to this this team? That was one step away from going into the championship yet? You lost a tight end and draft picks but you still have Courtland Sutton still have Jerry Judy. You still have the man I want it on the Cowboys sir tan patrolling that secondary. You still have a great football team in there. And you took out your biggest weakness and drew Locke and swapped him for Russell Wilson Yeah, I don't see who's on the straight and flip the Seattle Wilson pekao is not trying to rebuild right now. Right he's definitely not the man is set oldest coaches are zillion dollar check game.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:18:37

Yeah, he's older than dollar check.

Rob Kelly: 1:18:39

Yeah, so this man is not trying to rebuild right now. So I think that you know, you look at the haul they got back. They replaced the draft picks they lost them the failed Jamal Adams deal. They just they they really rounded the team out to put themselves in a situation to possibly compete in the next couple years again, I'm intrigued to see what happens after release Wagner because you know the DK and lock it combo. I don't know how Kenyan they're gonna be on catching passes from Drew lock going forward. So we'll see how especially DK Metcalf, I could see him being like, bro, fuck this. I'm out. Trade my apps. We I will say I think both teams win in this deal. Well, it may not even be due luck,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:19:25

right. I know. Right? Obviously. There's still a lot of offseason to go on. They do have a quarterback they drafted in the sixth round a couple years ago. There was Anthony Gordon of that actually our webinar. Um, I think it's good. I want him in the job. I think he can really sling it. We actually he has he actually played up there. He played a Washington State. Oh, Anthony Gordon. Yeah. Yeah, but um, he I think he's someone that's been there. Obviously he knows that offense up there so he may went out that position and you know, who knows maybe he becomes someone that saw you know, that's more than serviceable up there. But listen, next they still have weapons up there. So what this for sharp Penny Carson? Um, you know, obviously with DK and in a tie locker, I did this though very formidable on offense, they figured out that QB position. So on their biggest day last year was really healthy, they were healthy. Now, have you may say that peak heroes are looking to rebuild because, you know, he's becoming a, you know, a falso in human form. Um, but he's, you know, letting go letting go Bobby Wagner doesn't help that cause so, you know, yes, they got six Point 6 million saved and and never release a Bobby Wagner um but you know losing a player of that caliber only two players of that caliber doesn't help your cause for you know not just next season but years to come so yeah they may have to rebuild on on the fly on but you know it's not it wasn't too much of an overhaul on you know on Devers we have but once again you're looking to get that thing we're gonna get that during like like Mike said so um what real quick Jerry Jerry Judy is going to be a He's already a monster Jerry Judy is going to run circles around whoever is holding it now it's gonna be phenomenal him Carla Sidon. Um, and you know, I think it's awesome. Yeah, so they got they're gonna be they're gonna be really good. You know over there for sure. So

Michael Marcangelo: 1:21:32

real quick, before we move on to the next question is there's a reason that Seattle took drew lock and not Teddy Bridgewater. There's a reason that Seattle cut Bobby Wagner and there's a reason that they have these picks. They're going after Deshaun that's it like that. They're gonna go try and get him. And if you know, assuming that he didn't sexually assault every woman in the greater Houston area, and he gets cleared of of those charges, the CFL is fine. Yeah, yeah. Then they'll only the Ningyo get him they don't have to spend all those pics and maybe the only missed four games, right? But, but from a football perspective, the minute the minute that I saw that hall and what they got back in return and what they what they did after that are clear in room. They need a quarterback. This is a very, this is a very quarterback weak draft. So they're not going to go in. They're going to try and trade up for any first round picks. Go get to Shawn. He's your guy.

Rob Kelly: 1:22:35

I like that take. I do like that, because it's very reminiscent.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:22:38

I liked it. I think you get up there. I do. I like

Rob Kelly: 1:22:41

that. I like that. Thank you.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:22:44

So what we'll see but, um,

Rob Kelly: 1:22:47

before before, sorry, not to do exactly what Mike just said. But

Michael Marcangelo: 1:22:54

the difference was is Ray wasn't talking when I did it.

Rob Kelly: 1:22:56

Yeah, well, it's my it's my MO. Anyways. So I shall if you're looking at so I think the Wagner is definitely the clear cap space. I don't know if it is to go get Watson. I was thinking free agent quarterbacks. And when you look at this free agent class, listen, it's not it doesn't jump off the page. But there's two names that do jump off the page to me that I think Seattle would like and I think they fit the gameplan in Seattle versus Marcus Mariota. He's He's Russell Wilson. point five. You know what I mean? No,

Michael Marcangelo: 1:23:30

no, no, no. Point two, five. No, two, five. No, stop. Stop.

Rob Kelly: 1:23:36

Wait, point one, zero. He has the same skill set. Stop that. All right, we're ready. He aspired to have the same skill set. Yeah, Russell Wilson, did he and I just think he fits. He fits that game a little bit. Yeah, cool.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:23:53

Bobby. I aspired to be Elvis Presley, and I'm here talking to you. So aspirations don't mean shit.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:23:58

Okay. I wasn't watching that movie, by the way when it comes out.

Rob Kelly: 1:24:02

Second Second name. I think could be interesting in Seattle is our boy DKs. That's right. And Mitch Trubisky. Um,

Michael Marcangelo: 1:24:12

what are you doing?

Rob Kelly: 1:24:13

I think that could be fun.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:24:16

Like funny like fun like haha, he said

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:24:25

Mitch Listen, we're gonna have a battle who was the worst number two overall pick because we're we're doing exactly. Okay. I just want to point out I mean, if that's the case, I'd rather have Mary yada, honestly, um, Mitchell Trubisky is lessened. I'd rather take Mariota um, he runs better. Um, you know, but yeah, I said we're not going to the markets go to our but yeah,

Rob Kelly: 1:24:51

they're better. Oh, they just look good. Or not pitbulls? Over fucking drew lock though. I would fuck your walk through. I

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:25:00

do not know. Not not your bestie. I take I take Mariota but not I'll tell

Rob Kelly: 1:25:06

you one thing drew Walker will never and has never led any team with any kind of. Listen. Denver had a better defense than Chicago had two years ago this past year. No doubt about it. Andrew Luck was garbage when he was in there with Denver. Yeah, so I'm just it'd be a better option the fucking draw. That's all

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:25:26

he's he's no, he's no black cousins are in that bed. And now brings up to the turn of the day. Dun dun dun. Reportedly cowboys wide receiver Amari Cooper and Dak Prescott, guys until the verbal competition as a player as of the play of loss of 49 is Cooper preferred sir Prescott has the black or the meeting which has the corners of the crowd the Cowboys up in some have

Rob Kelly: 1:25:55

got to get the tweet out before he started laughing reads get through it.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:26:05

Cases I'll be Bobby and listen as the resident cowboys made AirLite Is that Is that an accurate sweetener? Not bad?

Rob Kelly: 1:26:15

So I don't know. Why are you doing this to me first of all? Why? I don't know why we're here. In fact hands on we know Yeah, on March 9 of 22 Right? I have not been sad about the cowboys and like fuckery two and a half months also Rayshawn drops this shit into the group chat oh my god fucking damn it bro.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:26:40

Are you kidding me?

Rob Kelly: 1:26:42

Anyway, so listen I have never begrudgingly agreed with a fucking sweet more man. Listen I love DAC man and and he puts up times where I'm like this is this is my guy. This is the future let's go oh right and there's also other times where you're like What the fuck are you doing? Like where's your head what what is what is actually happening in that fog compared to yours? Yeah, I don't know I'm I'm speechless at it because like it's I want I want to sit here and be like that is the most blasphemous fucking tweet I've ever read in my entire life but it's not it might be literally not Where are you about to compare the two fucking stats of the quarterback was already did this but I was

Michael Marcangelo: 1:27:45

gonna say it might be one of the most accurate

Rob Kelly: 1:27:48

it's unbelievable how how accurate it how much their stats match each other is I couldn't believe it when I pulled it up on it. So I was reading it and I was like, oh, so they actually are the same fucking quarterback. Awesome. Cool. And that's when I sent that that gift that I sent to you guys where it was just like I'm gonna go cry now because like I was ready to come back with like, you know, No, Baba, bro the more research I the more research I did and the more knowledge I gained about the two quarterbacks the more I fucking agreed with the tweet it

Michael Marcangelo: 1:28:31

Yeah, it's not I mean, it's it's wrong. But not statistically not

Rob Kelly: 1:28:42

obviously Rog, because Kirk Cousins squeaks when he gives audibles at the line of scrimmage Okay, yeah.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:28:49

And Dak runs for 13 yards let's time expire we audibles at the line of scrimmage in the playoff that's

Rob Kelly: 1:28:54

not that's not cool, bro.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:28:58

Like it Listen, there's nothing more to add that that is that is that is a great Wait, that's

Rob Kelly: 1:29:10

such a good way to sign us off of

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:29:12

Michigan. So I got I got it. That's right, baby. That's right. So a buck le reached over again and we'll see you next time. Peace.