New England Patriots Crisis: Unpacking the Fallout of a 34-0 Loss to the Saints

Michael Marcangelo: 0:06

Welcome into Missing the Point. I'm Michael Mark Angelo, joined alongside by my guy, probably with Ray Sean Buchanan, and on this glorious day, we are talking about another ass whooping that the Patriots suffered at the hands, this time against of the New Orleans Saints, 34-0. This game, there was absolutely nothing positive to talk about, and so I think you're listening to the right show because we're not going to talk about anything positive. But before we get into it, ray, you were right, I was wrong, yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 0:42

I know those that listened to it last week. I got textual up the week. Man, I've never seen you. You've had your negative moments, man, but this is next level and I'm like, listen, give it time. I said I said I said I watched this game just as much as anybody else, like I'd seen it coming and once again, it's too bad that we didn't get the clip up. But that's fine. Like I said, I was like I think the week before they were scoring nine against Tampa Bay and they had lost 26-9. I said don't worry, mike, they're going to give us 30. You don't believe that? Yeah, I do, because that's how bad this team is. No, what happened?

Michael Marcangelo: 1:22

was what happened, was I said oh the Patriots, you went 30. You were so insulted by it.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:32

Yeah, they're going to go 30. I thought they were going to get the 40. I mean, once again, it was beautiful to see and I said we'll get into why it was beautiful to see later on. But man, I said wow. I said this team really we got 30 to three was bad. I said, but can I need the score? I said, well, at the crib to, not on the road, but at the crib you come back. It's supposed to be a bounce back game. We're on to New Orleans and you do nothing. So it's not singing baby, let's look.

Michael Marcangelo: 2:04

Let's set the scene for everybody out there the over the last of the course of the last two games, the Patriots have been outscored 72 to three, as it currently stands in this game. On Sunday they had one possession in St Saratory. On the season, on the season, the Patriots have had one offensive possession inside the opponent's 10 yard line. They have scored 10 touchdowns in five games. So actually, you know what I think? I think I'm crediting them too much. Is that right? Yeah, that is right, yeah, yeah. So five receiving touchdowns, one rushing touchdown. No, I'm sorry, they have six touchdowns in five games and four field goals. Oh my, oh my, oh my. So again we can talk a little bit about the actual game on Sunday. Derek Carr and the New Orleans Saints Listen, they struggled in the first quarter and it wasn't because of our defense. They just the Saints were not. We're not firing on offense, but you said it a couple of weeks ago and I think you're right. You know, now I'm hearing it more on a national level, so I don't know who you talk to or who listens to us, but we appreciate it the Patriots. The Patriots are a get right team.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 3:28

Yep.

Michael Marcangelo: 3:30

You play us to figure your shit out. And and oh, oh boy, did they right? I mean, michael Thomas had a good game, kendrick.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 3:39

Miller, there's a lobby.

Michael Marcangelo: 3:41

I don't even know who Kendrick Miller is, but if there's a team that you're going to introduce him against, it's going to be. It's going to be the Patriots. It's right, it's like it's so. It's so bad. It's so bad Like.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 3:50

I got to listen. I teach high school man. I got a couple of high schoolers right now. So, hey, what up, jelani, you made the show. Congrats, brother. Like Jelani's six, three Probably. He'll probably laugh at this I mean here's but he's probably one of the best. He's probably one of the best. He's probably the best. He's probably the best. He's probably the best. He's probably the best. He's probably the best. He'll probably laugh at this. I mean here's, but he's probably one. 60 on on a on a good day right now. Jelani right now he gets three catches for like 35 yards.

Michael Marcangelo: 4:22

Just let's say, just let's say, we couldn't cover him yeah.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 4:27

I mean.

Michael Marcangelo: 4:27

I had the privilege of being in attendance for the LSU versus Mizzou game out in Columbia Missouri this weekend right and as I was watching the, the talent and in the SEC, I said to myself I truly don't think the Patriots could beat LSU or Mizzou. I don't think they could do it.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 4:48

It's. It's I mean Mizzou's, a little bit below, I would say the LSU's, alabama's they're five and one. They're five and one in the SEC I know, but I just yeah, but historically that hasn't been a good program, so I wouldn't. They're good for right now meeting Mizzou, but I know. But yeah, but LSU, lsu, lsu's, alabama's, you know, eventually Texas, texas, is coming over there, I think next year or two years. I should say it's going to be a problem, but yeah, I don't. I don't think anybody has been with a crop and packed up or whatever, like it'd be, it'd be spooky season and I'm not just saying that because Halloween it'd be, it'd be real scary.

Michael Marcangelo: 5:33

Mac Jones was benched for the second consecutive game and we'll talk a little bit more about him. But again, the, the Patriots, the Patriots inability to run the ball I think is is the is still the biggest story for me. I mean, you have a guy like Ramon J Stevenson that carried the ball eight times for 24 yards. He's rushed I mean, he's rushed the ball for 188 yards in five games and it's like you know, I brought up the LSU Mizzou thing because I was. I was talking to people who obviously are not Patriot fans, that and and they said you know, mike, what happened? I have no idea what happened. I mean, I think we can all we can finally say that this, that this is it Like, this is how it is going to end. And you know, bobby and DK talked about it last week on the power ranking show. Like you know they, they wanted to give a shit for it, but it's almost too, too sorry to give a shit, or I mean, this fall is so ridiculous. People are saying, well, maybe you should tank to get Kayla Williams. I just want to remind people that Patriots are fucking trying right now and they can't win a game. So yeah. Yeah, the first question I have for you has Bill Belichick lost this locker room?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 7:01

So it seems like it, honestly, and you know, I, I want to bring up an old, old school coach that I'm sure that Bill is enamored with because of his love for the game, and that's Tom Landry. Right? So Tom Landry was with Dallas for 29 seasons, I believe. And you know, obviously, you know one of the star box. You know Drew Pearson, tony Dorsett, hollywood Henderson you know, you name it. They had a squad in the 70s, you know. You know Danny White comes there in the 80s. They do. They do some more stuff there, but, as as he's on the way out, they know that their record was was terrible, right, and I just feel like very big. I was saying they were Sula, right, sula, the one that builds chasing, even when you know Sula got into the mid 90s. You know he goes for 23 years and in Miami it never ends well, right, so that's that's what we are and that, and that's okay, right. Once again, I, I was done in 2020. You know, but I was told by you and other participants of the show that I was too premature, but I'm just like yo, like you, can see it like. Once again, we have seen what bill is without the greatest quarterback of all time and you know, shout out I forget what national show I seen it on, but you know I'll credit them and their researchers for bringing this, that up. And Bill Bell is like a now 72 or 79 without Thomas, Edwin, patrick, brady, the third, and that's a very talented staff. So that's a that's a very big sample size. You know that's 151 games right Of seeing you without the grace going back all the time. And you know, you're you're, you're pretty, you're pretty on par, you're pretty mediocre. And once again, there's a lot of coaches that mediocre, right. And once again, you know, maybe he just becomes the best professional coordinator of all time If he doesn't, if he doesn't give Brady in that, in for those 20 years. So, but there's a question about losing the room. Yeah, I do think that's where it's at and it's mainly because I think it's the game passing him by. You know we made a point a few weeks ago about, about Papa, this and and it's funny, if an NBA was you done without Duncan, they've been very mediocre. And the guy that got in the draft this year, that won by Yama, and we know maybe we get out by Yama next year, who knows? But he just, he just gave pop another few more years. So can we get a woman, yama, here, so that I just want to go to coach? But like right right now, yeah, right now. Yes, he definitely lost the room and it's matriculating through the rest of the organization, unfortunately.

Michael Marcangelo: 9:42

Yeah, we're seeing reports coming out from you know all the beat writers saying that the offense is going to look, you know, very different and it's going to be. It's going to be a reset If you're, if you're, craft right now. We've talked a little bit about this before, but do you, do you take the step now, at this point in the season, to say bill it like you are relieved of your general manager duties? Do you think you do it and is it worth doing?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 10:10

Only reason why it may not be worth doing it now is this one it won't matter what they bring in at this moment. Like they're not going to turn it around. My question brought it patching with homes. Oh, so like that's not, that's not happening, obviously.

Michael Marcangelo: 10:24

Well, it just made me maybe just in the sense of you get a general manager in here that will actually trade whatever assets or players that people run the league. Dimas assets for picks.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 10:34

So, and and a word is a debo from my for one of my favorite moves Friday. What he said, what he said, what change? But in this case, what, what? What assets? What assets like? Are you kidding me? Like anybody, to anybody that Would have been deemed worth trading Basically, it looks like trash right now, whether it's Ken's born, whether it's from under Stevenson, whether it's Hunter, henry, um, and I, I almost you know, I, I docked at this, but I, maybe dunger, I Listen, I pray, I'm sorry, don't that, don't have this part out. Feel like you know you and I are the leaders of the cow dunger, you know fan club. But I'm just like, maybe you look to move on, maybe you move Uche, I don't know, but I to me, I mean build never has promised moving off the players In general. So I'm just I don't know why it would be any different now. Um, once again, you're not in position to do anything and, what's crazy, this injury is happening all over. So if I mean great, you can't, I mean you can't predict that obviously if someone, someone is going to get hurt at some point. But it's just like damn, you would think if, if you would put some type of roster out there. You might at best be three and two right now.

Michael Marcangelo: 11:52

Yeah, I'm at 32.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 11:53

No no, absolutely.

Michael Marcangelo: 11:54

And I think the whole. Thing the whole thing about bill Never being afraid to move away from a player a year or two early. He always did that when he was operating from the position of strength. He's not doing that now. He. I think that it has become very, very clear, uh, to everyone, and hopefully to those at one Patriot Place, that this is because of his off season moves. It's directly. I mean, I do think that it just let's just say if we didn't, if it didn't go get juju and we kept Jacobi Myers and somehow we were able to land, you know, we just paid to hondry options, I think this team's three and two, if no, nothing else happens, that's it well, I mean, so that's that could be feasible.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 12:40

I don't want to, I don't want to dismiss that. Um, I've seen a lot of jacobi my taste last few few days. Um, it wasn't out, it wasn't really on the shows, but even though I mean, I'm someone that wanted him uh, gone after the greatest game, but um, a lot of. Patriots Twitter or xpatured x one of that as as well. So, um, it is kind of hilarious to see the, the, the taking back of that take from from last year. Um, for some people on twitter. So it is what it is, but, um, yeah, I mean, I do think because he was a safety blanket from mac, then, yeah, mac will look a little bit Um, better bet than today and you, you've. No one has lamented this play more than you. The offensive line has not been where it needs to be. So, because of that, um, you know, it's just it, just it really wouldn't matter who's behind a center. To an extent, you know, I have no time to throw throwing off his back foot. Um, there's just a lot of things that are going left, um, right now with that offense, and, yeah, it's also bill, but some, some of it has to be, uh, you know, fall, fall on mac too.

Michael Marcangelo: 13:47

Yeah. So I'll ask you what do you do with mac Uh?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 13:53

you bench him. You bench him what?

Michael Marcangelo: 13:55

all right. So what? What does it say? That they that they don't believe in bailey zappy enough to bench mac jones for him to start a game?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 14:03

I think, uh, I think it's yeah good.

Michael Marcangelo: 14:06

If they had a backup that they that they thought was actually serviceable, you could win a game. Mac wouldn't be starting.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 14:12

Yeah, but what, what? What are we doing? Though? You're putting him out there, he's, he's progressively getting worse. I, I now I can see if he had back to back and we talked about this. You know, sorry, numbers, right, it was like he came out there, you know 25 or 33, 285, two touchdowns in a pick. Then I'm like, oh no, that's these are the numbers. He just he could say that's not even happening. He's not even touching 200. It's pathetic. You know, it looks like me on nfl blitz. Shout to those who remember that game Um, it's not, it's not, it's not just control. So I just to me why, why not? So what is real rear? Was this really cutting him? Um, I almost think this get it from really cutting him in there, because it's like you know, I feel like you know he is someone that wowed Um and and probably he's pretty decent when he did play to and that small sample. But you know he does fit the modern day quarterback. You know he was undrafted and you know the worst case scenario Well, at least for me as a fan right now that wants him to to see the loose it's when we cut him to gain some type of confidence. And he actually made the office look reasonable, because if he does now, we can't go get the guy that we can't get the guy that I want and it's actually not killing with. We'll talk about that later on. But, um, I've been watching tape all day on the guy that, um, it's definitely well known, but where we are right now, draft wise, um, he'd be there.

Michael Marcangelo: 15:38

So, um, I'm just like I I'm all in on this particular guy that I'm we'll talk about later on as, as, as as good as molly cunningham could be and it's maybe as a shot, as big of a shot of the arm or in the arm as he could be. The offensive line still can't block and the receivers still can't separate. Yeah, that's true, that's true. I mean, I mean, you know, maybe bill doesn't want to ruin another quarterback, maybe, because, well, listen, I think, I do think mac is ruined for sure. Uh and uh, you know, uh, dk mentioned this on the show with bobby last week about how in our chat he was saying you know, mac jones isn't good and I would defend him. You know what? Dk is right too, I think, and it's it's easy for me to say, like, well, what if you put all this around him? Listen, they didn't. So in his current form, mac jones is a bottom of the of the league quarterback. He's a, he's a bottom third. And whether that's fully on him or not, at some point in time you do accept the situation that you're in and make it better, and he isn't doing that. So I think that they've ruined him. I think that I also think that they've fucking ruined Bailey's happy, because if they believed in him, they'd put him in there.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 16:53

Yeah, I mean that's valid. I just think to me I'm at a what do you have to lose? Like that's what my mindset was. What do you have to lose To? your quarterbacks, yeah, but my thing it's been shown in either one of the other guys. Now it was crazy and as you know, we joked about it last year but it was true. The most Jules said they thought the live last year was when Billy's that became a nigger Chicago. Yes, they ended up losing that game by double digits. But when he came in there and got that ball down to the Fonte Parker and it's going on two times in a row that crowd became unglued. And I was on the Dallas game a couple of years ago for Mac. I have never seen that crowd like that and since somebody left, so I don't know. I just maybe. I just felt like maybe you kept simplifying it Once again. When you throw for 62 touchdowns in a season, I don't care what level you're on, that's hard to do and I'm talking about Bailey's happy. So I do think once again, if you simplify the form, where it's a lot of check downs, it's a lot of dig routes, some seam routes, yeah, I do think you can get it. But if that's the case, why do you even draft them into fourth round? But that's the case. There was other guys who could have drafted in that spot. That could have panned out potentially, but yeah, I don't know. But there's, we're way past the being disarmed if we're rooming two quarterbacks. That narrative is there. That narrative is unfolding, to be true, right in front of our very eyes. So my thing is get the feelings out the door, and my thing is you just continue to lose. So, once again, depending on what happens after Sunday, they could very well be one to seven, and one and eight going into November. And I'm like, if you're a week ago, I didn't mean, I'm not upset about that. Right now, I'm like let's go, like let's keep it going, keep the train rolling, because that means there has to be a change, as she says that there has to be. If they go three or 14 or less than that. They have to make changes there. And it starts with Bill. You can even let go of, or Brian told me I know we'll get into that too, but you can let go of anybody you wanna let go of, because there's not anybody. I don't want any residual impact for next year.

Michael Marcangelo: 19:28

That's the case we go on.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 19:30

That's where I'm at.

Michael Marcangelo: 19:32

You know I will 1,000% agree, like if you're gonna make the big move at the end of the season and move on from Bill as head coach. I want nobody that's been here coaching under Bill to be here next year. I want a complete and order restart, because this thing that they're doing right now isn't working and you can see it started declining in 2019. Now, josh we saw Josh. We saw Brady. Josh was able to you know he's called him JetSweet Josh here on the program. We'll talk a little bit more about him. But he had to incorporate a trick play every single game from 2019 until the end of 2021. Just for that offense to be formidable in any sense. And now, you see, since he's left I mean, we all know about the atrocities of last year, but now this offense is averaging 217 yards passing per game, 83 yards rushing per game and is averaging 11 points per game. So how much of it, in your opinion, as of right now, falls on Billy O'Brien's ability to coach and coordinate this offense that he was given?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 20:47

I mean, listen, we, it was given, you know, the Kool-Aid was given to us all a season about how it was gonna look substantially better. How, you know, kraft hand picked him to come back and I know there was some other reasons that it was more personal for Billy O'Brien, for us some stuff with his family, and they said I'm gonna return back to the wing. So that part I don't need to get into. But just on the field, you know, and we talked about it right, even here, right, it felt like, oh, like you know, some of the play calling functionally looked better. But you still have to have the guys to execute and not having, you know, not seeing a lot of seam routes. You know they don't have two Chinese that can run up and down. Once again, andrew's, probably their best target offensively right now, but you know that hasn't been, you know, of any use in these first few weeks. I don't know, I just started guys that just not running the offense the way that they desire or wanted to. I do think it ties back to the offensive line a lot. You know. It's like one thing obviously Dante Strainecchia could not, you know, coach forever because obviously he was getting into his 80s. So to not have an adequate you know response to that, to get a guy that can come in and coach I don't know if it's Adrian Clemne now or whoever it is being an online coach, but I don't know. There's a lot of things that's going on. I don't know if O'Brien feels hand-tied I don't know what it is but he should get some type of blame Because once again under Matt Processia, they were getting almost 19 points in the game. Right now it's at 13 and it's going down. Something's wrong with that pitch and I joke that you laughed. You laughed, you strapped at my. We owe Matt Processia an apology, but I'm like, at this moment we getting there, he's like well damn, how can we almost average a little under 20 with Matt Processia? As bad as that was, it was bad and it was real bad. So now you're a preteen with Bill O'Brien and it's awful. It's really, really awful and I said there's no other way to describe it. It's very poor play on their bath, and it starts with him.

Michael Marcangelo: 23:10

So, listen, I agree, and we do need to blame him for something. I just I don't know how much blame I put on him, because here's why I would say this We've seen his ability to coach an offense here Penn State, Houston, Alabama. They were all pretty good offenses before this. What the fuck is this? What is this? I mean, do you think in the offseason, when Kraft made the pitch to him to come back, or the plea, whatever the hell it was, that he promised him that Bill was going to grow up and get some more talent? Because I find it hard to believe that he would have come back for this.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 23:57

No, there was some other stuff that he personally chose to come back to. Yeah, for an on-field narrative about him. Yeah for sure. I do think there was some stuff that they told the dream to him about.

Michael Marcangelo: 24:08

And he knows.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 24:09

He's been a period he was like he was brand new to the organization. He knows him. Once again, this is not 07. This is not 08. It wasn't 2010 or even 2011. And once again he went from Brady. Then he had to Sean Watson. I forget who his QB was at Penn State, but some of his guys are down the league. Alan Robinson was under him at Penn State, mike Gisecchi was under him at Penn State, so he's produced a lot of talent. So it's not like these are our strubs. So I don't know. Obviously, the debacle with DHOP a few years back, I even though he's not lining it up in Tennessee, and that's mainly because he's playing with Ryan Tenno, but I do think because I wish we could knock Ryan Tenno, but we have Mac Joe's. No right. But I'm saying, but I mean, but 10 hell is in that same. That same Like 10 hell is nothing to write home about either. But what I'm saying is having someone that would have known the office, meaning with DHOP, how well he knew Bill of Brian's office, that might have been a difference. He could have sat there and practice and said, hey, when you run this route you know, take this angle, set this angle Couldn't make even more separation at the top of the route or on this comeback route, lean more to the sideline so you get that back shoulder fade, like. There's other stuff that could have been said by DHOP in practice that could have helped serve receivers that's where my sense is with that not necessarily the QB that's thrown the ball to them. So there's a lot of nuances that were missed, I think, by not having that finding and self fortune.

Michael Marcangelo: 25:56

For a coach that has been here as long as as Belichick right. There's one thing that you know I personally believe that Belichick doesn't doesn't value offensive talent. I think the fact that Brady was here I covered that up. But I mean, I think he's been right on running backs and devaluing them since his get go here. Fine, but the one offensive thing that we have had for 20 plus years is a slot receiver. Right, how? How do we not have a solidified slot receiver? How is that possible?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 26:36

Well, it should be pop Douglas. They got the guy, they got him. He won't play him. He won't play him. But I mean he also got knocked out of the game on on something, unfortunately. But we see it, he gets behind the defense and for the more he's he's going to if he, if he, if he gets to get there, he's catching like that. That. We have seen that so far. If it's in his catch radius, he's coming out with the ball Like that. That's just what we're seeing. But, yeah, I'm not getting played a lot. He's some, you know, we'll say, we'll say that has been played. I mean, I guess now he's going to have to be played now because they have so many injuries at that position. So we'll see. You know he's been, he's basically been buried just that week one. So sad, but I'm like I don't know I just to me the mismanagement of the office of talent, whether it's not drafted correctly, whether it's not developing them, you know, correctly, really really set the scene back and once again we can say it's been since, you know, tom left, but it's really been since 2018, 2017, really, when you, I remember like I'm getting rid of the books right after and I'm just like what do we do?

Michael Marcangelo: 27:50

I mean I know he got laid out in the school bowl but I'm like, no, like he did run backwards in the Super Bowl you know, sure, but I'm just like this man.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 27:57

This man got flatlined in the school bowl, put his body on the line for you and you, and you, give you know you don't give him another shot like that. That. That to me was crazy. You know, I know they tried a little bit with the Josh Jordan thing. That worked for a little bit. Excuse me, but it's just like to me, and that's the case, like, why are we not like, keep, keep bringing in them type of guys? Um, I don't know, it's just to me, it's amazing to me, where they just no longer want to bring in the type of guys, or even can bring in those type of guys. Um, it's just sad, like at this moment, we might as well. I can't do it back there, Honestly, I can't do it. At least we were a top 10 Russian team.

Michael Marcangelo: 28:47

Yeah, we were good at something.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 28:49

Yeah anything. Yeah, and honestly too, and I think we're missing this and, um, I went missing Damian Harris. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know I was, I probably, I probably I loved Damian Harris while he was here, and I don't know what he's done really in Buffalo, but they don't really run the ball much there, um, but you know he was, he was, he was one of the guys and I noticed for a fact that he was over that itself to game with Robert Kraus, so he was one of the guys. Every treat him like a son, um, and I, whenever he was healthy he was, he was someone who was going to get four to five yards every time because he was a bruiser and him and Steve was a really good one to punch. Um, and maybe that's what the effective reminder to you asked what was wrong with him. Maybe that effect to him too and he has really been able to recover. But it's like, hey, my guy, it's a business, it's a guy's you come in, where not always the guys you're going to you know to leave with and you know such a way to change literally on the fly, um, but yeah, the team is Damian Harris. Yeah, for those that want to. You know, feed the Jacoby narrative. Jacoby Myers narrative short you would say you miss them short, but it does go back to the quarterback to understand because once again with with big Ben usually look really good With uh with the home. You look, you look, you look you look, my home's not even paid again. So it's just like. My thing is if, if you had a decent quarterback, right? Um, I think we would see a little bit of what we saw last year from juju and then. What we saw at this point was, again, he wasn't going to get 120 receptions here, but I would. We were to set up for 60 receptions, 800, 50 yards and five touchdowns at absolutely because he's capable of that. That's what he did last year 78 catches, 953, seven touchdowns Like that. That would that would be, that would be perfect, but once again, when you don't have that guy behind there throwing it to him, um, he looks a lot different, as most receivers do.

Michael Marcangelo: 30:57

So that's not an opinion, that's a fact. Yeah, just to uh, you know, visualize for you how bad the uh the offense is for the Patriots and how it really is a systemic Patriots problem. The leading receiver on the Patriots uh this year, through five games, is Kendrick Bourne 18 catches for 218 yards.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 31:20

Surprise very much.

Michael Marcangelo: 31:21

Yeah, not great. John New Smith has 21 catches for 246 yards and Desmond fucking register on the ball Atlanta. And he's not even the number one tight end. Last year with the Patriots he had 27 catches for 245 yards in 14 games.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 31:42

It ain't him. Well, I mean, arthur Smith had him in Tennessee before he got to New England, so that makes a little bit of sense of why that number is there. And once again, you were high on John Doe when he got here. I remember that when we got that signing it was Henry because he wasn't as high on. But you know, it flipped the. It flipped the scale Once they, once they got here, henry produced a little bit more or a lot more than John Doe. But they just don't want to do anything with Pitt. So I mean I would, I would want us to trade for Pitt, but I would, I wouldn't want him. He'd be used less here than he is in Atlanta. That's great, like that. That's it a lot. That's it a lot. I would do whatever for Cal Pitts and once again, I'm a UF guy so I'm a little biased, but he's, he's, he's Julio Jones at the time of the position. You don't, you don't find those every day. So once again, atlanta's not going to use them. They got Drake London, they got, you know, john Doe Smith. They got Jean Robinson. Okay, cool, come to death row. You know, that's where, that's where, that's where. I remember that that's also a pipe dream.

Michael Marcangelo: 32:59

We we spend a good amount of time shitting on the offense on this show just finally, so it's time to talk about the defense. Yeah yeah, I understand injuries. I understand all of that. As a collective unit, they're not that good.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 33:15

No, no, no, no, no. Um, you know, peppers, you know, has fallen off, and I'm not going to say it really hasn't made a name in the contract year, so that means he's gone.

Michael Marcangelo: 33:28

Oh, no, actually I'll tell you no, no, no, that means he's going to step into the same.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 33:32

He'll get a. He'll get a four year, you know. You know, $18 million deal for 11 million guaranteed. You know, first reported by Adam Schepter. Yes, man, so you know, maybe, yes, so that's that. Unfortunately, we haven't heard much of Keon White since the first couple of games. You know we still get to see Jack Jones, miles Bryant you know it looks like a little giant out there, you know, it's just like. You know it's pathetic, it's pathetic. We haven't heard much about map move as well. So there's a lot, of, a lot of questions and I think that's the biggest thing about that defense as well. And yes, when you lose John so who was on his way to probably be in defensive or give the year, when you have a probable caliber talent and you know Matthew Junon, you know out for you know at least seven or eight weeks, you know it changes things and I get that right. So with that, we can add that caveat whenever we're talking about this. But, like you said, collectively they have not done the job done. It's not really a bend, don't break anymore, because teams are literally just saying, okay, we'll throw on. You know, miles Bryant will throw on. You know peppers and it's like you know you brought back JC Jackson. For what? For what, like, what, what like? That's insane. Like you're trying to sell, you're trying to corner, close salvage to see them, but I'm like they see Jackson once again. Although he was really good here I'm not going to say he was, he was obviously like. He's not the same guy that he was before he left here a couple years ago and that's okay. But he wasn't saving the season and that's what I'm saying. That it goes back to the game points you talked about earlier, right and the game, literally in every fashion special teams, offensively and defensively. Which is where you say defensively. To me I still think that Bill Belchak is the greatest defensive mind this league has ever seen and will ever see. I don't know, I don't think we'll ever see another, another mind like that defensively. But it's just, it's, it's it's time and I said you know the game and never less pass the by.

Michael Marcangelo: 35:46

I mean, though, right, your number one corner goes out. So now you have a need Excuse me, and Belichak addressed it because it was on defense. Right, you have a need on offense, and he is unwilling to address it. He won't do it. He will not go out and get you a good wide receiver. I mean, I can't imagine that the Broncos would be asking for too much for Jerry Judy right now. Go get him.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 36:15

Go get it.

Michael Marcangelo: 36:18

Right, but I might. But my thing is for next year get up for next year, right.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 36:22

I'm just like, yeah, go go get him in pits for next year, it'd be great yeah.

Michael Marcangelo: 36:30

I mean, the Broncos are a fucking dumpster. Fire the.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 36:32

Falcons are actually. They're not. Fade out soon. Listen, they played. Listen. Desmond Reddard is not going to turn into when Matt Ryan became overnight. No, he's not even going to be where Chris Chandler was. You know, for our, for our, for our older heads.

Michael Marcangelo: 36:47

He just needs to be better than Marcus Marriota, dude. And so I need to do Sure. I just go eight and nine.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 36:55

That's true, that's true. But I'm like, yeah, I would say, but yeah, go get Judy's side Somebody.

Michael Marcangelo: 37:02

There you again. There's a need, address it. And bill will do that. To fence he's done it time and time again. He knew that we needed that. We needed a corner in 20, 20 was it? Yeah, 2012. Who did he go get? He wouldn't get to leave, please get certain. And then he goes to the Broncos next year. What does he do? Well, bill then decides he's going to add Revis Brandon Browner. I mean, he went on a run there when he signed elite defensive talent and he got lucky with some offensive talent later in the drafts. You know, gronk Hernandez, jules, whoever you want to talk about, but he won't go out and make those midseason moves to get offensive talent. Yeah, never done it. He'll never do it.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 37:44

Well, that's what he changed draft, you know, saved him a few more years. Obviously, when you get McCordy, you know, get Aaron Hernandez to get Gronk.

Michael Marcangelo: 37:54

But McCordy was almost a bust. Remember like he had a great rookie year and then he didn't. He couldn't play corner the next year, he could not do it.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:02

Yeah, and they got him with the safety and it turned into a 13 year career. So, yeah, so that's fair. But I mean, I remember you know the kick returns and you know he was a jack of all trades early on, you know. So that that's what led to that. But yeah, I mean I don't, I don't know why he just won't do it. When you see it, I get it. You know he always wants to buck the trend or, you know, be the ultimate contrarian. And it's like dude, like to see you're never going to be the team like Miami when they got guys like Helen Water, like ever, like, unless you match them. If we had the same talent as as them. Oh yeah, mike McDame was not coaching circles around Bill Belichick. We know, that Right, that's not the case. Like dude, you're coaching, you're doing mentors, you're doing mentors gymnastics, just to just to come up with certain game plans to not lose by 40. Right, the goal.

Michael Marcangelo: 39:02

The goal against a team like that right would be to limit them to 15 points a game. That that's a win. You're scoring 11. Like that is the. What else does he need to hear? Which leads you to my next, my next topic of conversation. First right how much? Two questions. How much worse do you think it will get this year, and do you think GM Bill Belichick will survive a five to six win season?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:33

So I'm, I'm looking for it to get much worse. I'm hoping. I'm hoping they get blown out to, because once again we won't get into our predictions about the Raiders game. We know they're not beating me on Miami, or or my, my three or five, I suppose, coming at me on me. They're not. They're not beating Miami or Buffalo week 70. We gave that. That's not happening, like it wasn't, as you and I always say, as the rest two or two thirds of the wrestling aficionados on the show. That's not a prediction, it's a spoiler, baby, like you know the fucking doing. So I can't wait. I can't wait See that happen. Um but yeah, so I'm expecting, I'm expecting and hoping for it to get worse. But to short answer your next question no, I don't think he survives that and he shouldn't right, you shouldn't be able to go five and 12. Once again, how many, how many coaches go five and 12 with your page out next year?

Michael Marcangelo: 40:36

That's not a problem. I said, I said, I said I don't think, I don't think they're gonna fire bill bill as a coach, I don't.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 40:44

Well, I mean, okay, I'll put it like this, and I know, and I'm changing a little bit of what you just said but say, say, and they only went two more games the rest of the year, right, and they go through 14.

Michael Marcangelo: 40:56

They only put the only put the jets one more time. How's that possible?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 41:00

Because there'll be a bullshit game. And they figure it out and they went that's just that's. That's just, that's just how it is. It's always been like that up here, regardless good or bad there was. When the game is anyway and it probably just gets like the charge of Steelers Every one of those teams they'll be like oh, how did they win this?

Michael Marcangelo: 41:20

game. Well, I mean they should beat the Steelers.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 41:26

Should they go?

Michael Marcangelo: 41:28

They always have they always have.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 41:30

I mean, we'll be here talking about it, but should they? It's just like once again, even though we've been in one of the houses. But I'm hoping Kenny Fick and them go fucking bananas on us when they play later on in the year. But no, the GM side, as you said. No, it should have lasted because once again can you still coach up a great game plan? We've seen it. Yes, that's possible, you could. Your groceries that you were selling for are expired. You know that commercial Expired, expired, expired, like that, that's basically what. When it's like round one expired, round four expired. Round seven expired, undrafted, expired, like that's where, like that's basically where. That's one of my favorite commercials. I love that commercial, but it's just like that's basically what is going on. So, yeah, if they don't win more than three or four more games for this regular season and no talent, they draft the last few years to develop. But yeah, there should be a, the competition should be had probably at the end of this month, right? So when they're one in seven by the end of this month, I would say, hey, getting Shula is so important to me or to us as the organization, for you, because we want that for you, we want that to be here. However, we do want to move in a different direction when it comes to picking the talent, so that you can get 347 quicker. Cause right now. What we've been picking, what we've been choosing, has it benefited us the way that it used to in the past? So let's get somebody in here that's like-minded or not like-minded.

Michael Marcangelo: 43:14

Let me say that no, no, no, no, no, fuck that.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 43:17

Like like-minded music and some of them have a lesser state and a pick five. We don't want that. But let's get somebody in here if that's younger, get some money here, that understands the current trends of the NFL wholeheartedly and that waste fucking picks on special teams guys and special team aces and gunners. Let's do that. Have a meeting of the minds of. It's funny because the guy that could have been that is now down to Houston, but that's a whole another, that's a whole another story about the day, because he was doing it he's doing a hell of a job down to Houston. He took your formula and he brought it down to Houston. He got the good head closer to Michael Ryan's. You got the quarterback, it's DJ Schraud. You got the running back and Damien Pierce. You got some gators, you got Tank Dell. You got Nico Collins. Just saying, just saying, but you know, and in all five games so far you know there's two or three. They've been in every single game.

Michael Marcangelo: 44:16

Yep, Crazy. Which leads us to this Sunday at 425, sorry, the Patriots square off against the Las Vegas Raiders, our old friends Josh McDaniels, Jacobi, Myers. So, Ray, realistically, what do? Oh, is that a Raiders jersey? Raiders, Raiders, I'll see, you've completed. You've completed your job.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 44:42

I'm going full gym or immobile. Baby full gym or immobile?

Michael Marcangelo: 44:47

So, realistically, what do you expect from the Patriots this Sunday?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 44:51

Realistically, I expect this to get a field goal early on and go 3-0, you know they'll rave about that's the first lead that we've had since. Like we three, that's a judge game, yep. Yes, it's a judge game and then you know, jimmy G will show us why he should stay here, and you know he'll go 19 to 28 for 2 to 50, two touchdowns, one pick and the Raiders will win 24 to 10. Do you think we're going to score a?

Michael Marcangelo: 45:23

10?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 45:24

Yeah, because I mean the Raiders are the Raiders they're going to have a moment where they fucked up. But, yeah, 24 to 10, easily, easily. Once again, come listen to me, mike, listen to me, buddy, get up. Hey, people think I'm like listen, you're not going to hear. Sometimes you're going to hear a rational takes on this show. And I want to be clear to those that listen to this We've been me and Mike have been spot on about this shit all year, all year. So you can't be sure, you can't be sure you hear the influx of our voice, you hear the animation, you hear the. You think there was trolling, and yeah, some of it. I wish we could say we weren't trolling, but we're not. And, once again, because we know what we see, we know what we're talking about. Like they're going to get the ass with the game on Sunday. Like it's not. It was again, it's not. You may turn that to a start too, about Craig. Well, no, that's probably right, but it's not a prediction, baby, it's a spoiler, it's a fact of life, baby, it's just what happened.

Michael Marcangelo: 46:20

I mean I, you know.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 46:21

Yeah, it's a surprise. I just hope that it's in Vegas too right, is it in Vegas?

Michael Marcangelo: 46:25

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, I mean, you can just roll Mark Henry's old music, or someone can go and get their ass kicked Right it gets, it, gets, it, gets, it gets.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 46:34

That is about to happen, yo walking to the Hall of.

Michael Marcangelo: 46:37

Fame baby. Yeah, exactly, we know, because again, we still have, I would say we're biased. And now we're biased against the Patriots, right, but that's just based on what we've seen. I do think that Bill will shut down Devonte Adams. I think that that's gonna happen and I do think that Jacobi Myers will catch 11 balls for 130 yards and he'll score two of those touchdowns.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 47:04

Yep, yep, absolutely, absolutely. And for and for Jacobi. I hope that happens for him. I hope that he gets all of that.

Michael Marcangelo: 47:15

I gotta tell you, though, I think 24-10 is. That's too low. I think Josh is gonna drop 40 on us, and I think Max Crosby might kill one of our quarterbacks. Whoever plays, I think he's gonna kill him.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 47:33

Hey, that's the case, beautiful. And to hit it at least is what I wanted to talk about, because we didn't get to before the prediction. I've been watching Tape R and Drake May. For those that don't know who Drake May is, drake May is the quarterback at North Carolina. He succeeded Sam Howell, who's now with the Washington Commanders. Let me tell you, I know people are docking and going crazy, all googly eyed over K the Wings. You should be cause that man. That man is special. But this kid in North Carolina, 6'5" 225, you know, remember another guy that was also 6'5" 225, but this guy can run. This guy can run. His arm is unbelievable. He makes every throw you can think of and if he's there in the top five, I'm telling you that guy should be in this uniform next year. He's not a throw he can make. He doesn't make too many turnovers, which is that's a staple up here. He knows how to run and gets down. You know, throws a female perfectly, throws a three ball perfectly. I'm all in on Drake May. There's other guy with his micro penis in Washington. There's other quarterbacks that may come in. Obviously you know Dionne Sondredore, who I like as well. But I'm telling you all Drake May. He's 6'5", 225. He also wears number 10. Ironically. That kid is special and I feel like you know you should hear next year with the third pick in the in the 2020, 2020 fellow draft, the newly-lapped pictures to like Drake May, quarterback out of North Carolina. I promise you they'll be better days ahead if they get a guy like that. Promise you, he looks like Justin Herbert, aaron Rodgers mixed type type type guy with the athleticism mixed throws on a run. I just, to me there's nothing he can't do and to me you go get a guy like that if he's there.

Michael Marcangelo: 49:32

And next year he's realized the person. Because of the NIL money he's probably already making two and a half $3 million a year right now and the Patriots won't pay him that.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 49:45

I mean you have to pay a certain amount of top five even so. It's not like they couldn't completely low ball what they're in. They would have to pay. That I mean just to be clear.

Michael Marcangelo: 49:55

Kayla Williams already said that he we didn't say this, but people are speculating that unless he goes to I think it's the Cowboys, the Cowboys, the Niners or a couple of other teams which he's just gonna stay in front of the year because he's already making more money.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 50:13

What, but that's also. I dig the premise and once again dude, it's good to see you as bro. You're not, you know. You're not LA. You're not Bo Jackson. You're not DOC. You're not DOC. Come on, come on, let's pump the bread and I get it. Cali's, you've already gained money. He's a hell of a player. Everything I said about Drink Made, kayla Williams, is all of that and probably a little bit more. But it's like bro, like you for one. I don't know. I'm not sure why you would wanna go to Dallas right now, that that's the case, but I San Francisco. I could see that that would be pretty dope.

Michael Marcangelo: 50:53

And then he's not gonna fall, he's not gonna get there.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 50:56

Right, that's the case. I'm just like that's not happening. So, and once again, joe Burr probably didn't wanna go Cincinnati, but look what's happened. So I was just like my thing is don't run out of the circumstances to where you think it's going to be necessarily bad. He's way better than Cali Murray. So if he doesn't go to Arizona, you can just fine, bro Like. Or if you go to Chicago and you've replaced fields today in training fields, then there's no beer unless fields continues to play the way he's played the last couple of weeks. But I'm telling you I won't say you heard it here first. The other guy just talked about Drink Made. But I'm telling you, drink Made is one of his good and any other quarterback that comes on that drive next year. He has a size, he has a athleticism and, most importantly, he can make every throw. No, no, back foot, no, back foot, throwing off the back foot. No, he on the run. He's probably just as accurate on the run as he is in the pocket. That's huge, like I don't know. I just to me, I'm sold on him. I said I said Caleb Williams is a fighter, that's not happening. But Drake, drake May is possible. Michael Peans is also possible, but Drake May is the guy in my opinion.

Michael Marcangelo: 52:11

So I have the Patriots losing this Sunday 42 to 13,. By the way, nice, nice, that's the writers. Before we wrap up, just real quick, can you remember, in all the times that you've been watching the Patriots, where they have not been good at anything? Anything?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 52:31

No, no no, Because usually even in 2020, right, they were actually revering the ball Cam, damian Harris, sonny Michele they were really good at running the football and even the line was somewhat decent in 2020, even I know there was no fans in the stands but at the same time, you still got a block, so they were really good at that for 2020. Yeah, but it's the shame that there's literally all three fighters in the game. That's a part, and I don't know what the remedy is. If we've talked about what the remedy could be, but I won't believe it until we get that notification on ESPN or for MSC 12 Boston saying that after 23 years, 24 years the only picture that moved on from Belichick in that particular role, or they fired some of the people. But yeah, something's got to give and once again, I hope with every fiber of my being that your prediction comes true. Either way, they're going to lose, but I hope that there's another blowout. And actually matter of fact. Let me take that back. I hope so. So the last two games it's been 72 to three.

Michael Marcangelo: 53:55

Yeah, you wanted to drop 70 on us.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 53:59

Why not? Let's do it, let's do it. I mean my thing is, I'm sorry, I was saying you said 40, so that would be what 112? Why did I get it 112 to three? Why not Means you don't score again? 112 to three and you just go from there. And then I said you get Buffalo and then you get Miami. And I mean Buffalo won't put 50, maybe. And then Miami oh yeah, we haven't seen him for a while. Actually it is down there. If it were Brady, we didn't always win down there. So I know for sure. You know, guys are going to come down there and once again, someone who lived in Miami, they're going to come down there. They're going to chill on Ocean Drive. They're going to go to Prime 112. They're going to go to the Versace Mansion. They're going to go to Chilling Coral Gables down in Kendall, you know, even maybe a little bit get a little food out in Doral, you name it. Could they go show them a good time out there? That's what people do out there. And they go come into the Hard Rock Stadium, what used to be known as pro player. They were coming to Hard Rock Stadium and you're going to hear thank you, miami Dolphins, for coming into the game. Your final score the Miami Dolphins 56. New York will take you to 7. Thanks for being the best 12th man in the league, and so next time, miami Dolphins number one. Oh my God, I can't wait, I can't wait. I wanted to go down there too, for that game too, but I didn't get to check this. But I should have, I should have, I should have, I should have, I should have, I should have, I should have, I should have, I should have, I should have, I should have. I might have been to go down to see history.

Michael Marcangelo: 55:31

Yeah, I mean, this is oh God so bad. For the next 12 weeks, we're going to be asking this question. Craft, where are you? Where? Are you and what and what are you doing?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 55:44

Yep, grow up here.

Michael Marcangelo: 55:46

Grow up here by the craft and until next week, ray Shavucannon, michael Mark Angelo, saying enjoy the Patriots game this Sunday, see you next week.