NFL Week 4 Recap, Chiefs Dominate Bucs, NFL Week 4 Power Rankings

Dave Clarke: 0:06

Welcome into missing the point in what has been another wild week in the National Football League and I predict a probably another wild week coming up. I am here to talk about it with real BK Bob Kelly. I am DK sisal. And we are your lines and wonderful hosts for the next 60 odd minutes depending on how off the rails this show goes.

Rob Kelly: 0:25

They will be odd minutes. Yeah.

Dave Clarke: 0:27

So you know, I saw a fun little interview with Travis Kelce. This week Bobby and he was asked to name his tight end Mount Rushmore. So for it I was like that for I can't remember but for tight ends just to break the ice on the show. I'd like to you to tell me, your and uh, he was he's also my fantasy tight end and he is amazing to have a fancy tight end. So I'd like you to tell me your tight end Mount Rushmore all time.

Rob Kelly: 0:54

Career wise. Like yeah, okay, so I'd say Tony Gonzalez.

Dave Clarke: 0:58

Yeah, he was on. He was on Chelsea's Grog. He was on Kelsey is also.

Rob Kelly: 1:04

Do you put him did he put himself I think Kelsey might be Kelsey on there too. Yeah. I mean, if you want it, can you throw it back old

Dave Clarke: 1:14

school? I'm trying to think like an old putting you put that guy from the Chargers? Not Antonio Winslow. No. Yeah. Might have been killing? Yeah, senior. Yeah.

Rob Kelly: 1:21

The casino, right. Yeah,

Dave Clarke: 1:22

he put Kellen Winslow senior.

Rob Kelly: 1:24

I get that because of that. He had a bigger impact. Like what? Games? What Right, exactly. I can't really think of anyone if you're going. I think Antonio Gates is in the running to Yeah, but that's that's the only other guy I can really think that that belongs on the Rushmore, you know what I mean? Because if you're talking Rushmore of tight ends, you're not just talking receiving, you're talking to the entire aspect of being in tight ends. So like, totally it Jimmy Graham was great for like that seven, eight year stretch. But I mean, he's pretty much a wide receiver when he was, you know, right, in that talent level. So I think, what do you do you have any differences?

Dave Clarke: 2:00

I think mine and you know, it's not really fair because I sprung this question on you. And I was kind of pondering it while I was playing with my dog today, after I saw that tick tock video, if she can tell how fucking busy my day has been. But just like figured about tight ends in my backyard, but my my four would probably be Gronk. Obviously, Tony Gonzalez, definitely, because for years as a kid, I feel like he was like, he was the guy. He was, like, for years and years and years, like the longevity of like, him being a 99. And Madden was like out like, outstanding. Do you just thought of somebody?

Rob Kelly: 2:32

Yeah. Mr. Sharp, right. SHAN sharp,

Dave Clarke: 2:35

sharp. Yeah, you can count that. You know, I think again, I mean, it's kind of difficult, because when you go to different areas, I think that they were asked to do different things. So I mean, it's also true of my third pick, who would be Mike Ditka. Who's definitely making my list. I mean, Hall of Fame as a player Hall of Fame as a coach. You gotta love that. And it's just like, I gotta stay at you know, I

Rob Kelly: 2:53

got it. He's gotta bring it home.

Dave Clarke: 2:56

And plus, I mean, I know the stonework on the mountain itself is gonna be tough with the mustache, but like, he's got to get up there and get to look

Rob Kelly: 3:01

good. Yeah. And I probably, you know, those are all dekha all Dickens up on? Well, I

Dave Clarke: 3:06

mean, how people recognize, you know what I mean? An elder statesman, although he kind of looked the same as a 40 year old

Rob Kelly: 3:14

man, or added a couple of wrinkles onto the eyes and that

Dave Clarke: 3:16

era. Like everybody looked forward to your 20s in the 1960s. I don't know, like the Mad Men era. So yeah, those names all came to mind. I can't. I feel like I have to put Antonio Gates instead of Kelsey, because she's not done yet. You know, and I feel like Antonio Gates again was just like, so good for so long. I feel like if he was on a team like Kelsey is on like, he would be dripping with ratings. So it's, you know, he was always put in there there abouts. Slapped back by like the best patriots teams, you know, like the it's like the guys who didn't win rings in the NBA when Michael Jordan was playing. It's like, it's it's tough, you know, so I gotta put them up there. Dick Gronk obviously, and I probably Yeah, and then Tony Gonzalez. And that. That'll round it out for me.

Rob Kelly: 4:04

Just like in construction, possibly over on the side, you know, like, yeah,

Dave Clarke: 4:09

like, like Obama, right? Or the real Mount Rushmore. They've just alienates half your face. I don't care. I don't give a shit. I'm just fucking around guys. It's just fucking with half the listeners. That's all right. Yeah, we're gonna do

Rob Kelly: 4:24

with our track record. Also, no bomb was gonna be like breaking news Brock Obama added to Mount Rushmore. Like what's the

Dave Clarke: 4:32

predictions on this show? It'd be you know, because you guys are listed. It's, it's we've done pretty good. We will write Blake Griffin out of the Celtics last week so Okay, so what we're gonna do every week and longtime listeners of the show followers of us on social media know that Bobby does our Power Rankings our official Power Rankings. We haven't worked that way for a few different reasons. He enjoys doing them and we enjoy giving him shit for when he does them. Even if I don't have a real problem with the Power Rankings. I try to find In a way to argue with him in some way, every time

Rob Kelly: 5:02

every time waiting for D cases,

Dave Clarke: 5:06

it's kinda it's kind of the whole point of power rankings, right? Like, you're there for the debate. And it's all nuanced, which is great. And it also gives us structure to talk about all these teams throughout the show. So, I mean, let's just get right into it. He says after a long preamble at the start of the show, let's get right into it. Number 10. On the Power Rankings this week, Bobby are your Dallas Cowboys. Congratulations. Yeah, honestly, I have no argument I really I'm not I'm not against it. I think the the way that you described it in the discord when, you know, the knives sort of came out when they when the other members of the podcast side that's not the one I was I was arguing about as you know, I don't disagree with it. And I think you're you make a valid point about the sort of hill that they have to climb to be where they are right now, you know, to lose a bunch of their receiving Corps which I know you've wax lyrical on, and I mean, they lose them, they didn't resign if it didn't, you know, they didn't they didn't do didn't do their due diligence to keep a good receiving court in this offense. And ageing very at this point, overpaid RB one who sees I think, frankly, too many touches, maybe we can get into that and their starting quarterback going down. And I think when a decisive game against maybe not a top 10 team in the commander's but to win with purpose and win with with skill, there was never a question from from from my eyes. And I think that they looked every inch, you know, a top 10 team and they win the way that they played if they played that way against everybody it'd be you know, they might creep up the rankings even more. So talk to me about the cowboys and what's looked different to you and obviously the quarterback situation we're going to exclude all the Jerry Jones bullshit and that kind of stuff that he's trying to obviously whip up because he likes to be in the press he likes and the Cowboys are in the press. He's a smart guy. He knows what he's doing. But talk to me about the actual personnel How are you doing with coop? Like emotionally like what how's that going? And like, you know, are you still mad Tony Pollard doesn't touch the ball more talk to me.

Rob Kelly: 6:54

I'm always gonna be mad Tony Pollard has touched a ball ball. It's literally my number one gripe with the Dallas Cowboys, Tony Pollard. It's when we start positive before before I go on, Cooper rush man, I can't say enough about this guy. He's been absolute nails. When you watch him play quarterback right? I had such low expectations for this guy I shouldn't have because he's kind of in the same exact guy we saw last year in Minnesota over these three games, but he's better bro. than half the goddamn starting quarterbacks in the NFL. And you watch it every Sunday and it's like he makes throws and makes the decisions that he needs to make. He doesn't try to force things he doesn't try and you know, go crazy and do these things. He knows what kind of defense he has on on the other side of the field. So he knows he just doesn't he has to run like a Trent Dilfer offense you know what I mean? Don't make mistakes 17 of 25 210 yards as per from Cooper rush but I just see it as like listen I'm I'm just as shocked as anyone that the Dallas Cowboys are in my power rankings at the 10 spot right like I've been looking for every reason for the season to be over so it's Dak Prescott went down and his defense just keep saying no wasn't we we the league in sacks I think we're like top five interceptions. Now we have a lead up over 20 points. In any game even the game we lost the Tampa Bay there was still 19 the three and the defense still look really good in that game too. So

Dave Clarke: 8:15

really good in the red zone in that sort of bend no break style good steel ball hawks that we talked about last year a lot of studs peppered around that backfield and and I feel like fun to watch like it was similar not quite as dynamic and taking the ball away as last season but a little bit more controlled, which might actually work out better

Rob Kelly: 8:32

for you. Yeah, and it's looking like Diggs is looking for the opportunities now but also looking to make the right play most has been a little bit responsive, right, which was always the knock on him was you know, he Gamble's too much he does this and that this year, bro, you saw that that game ending play in the corner of the endzone instead of going up for that pick. He just swatted that shit away. I just love the game too. Right? So you know if we're gonna keep doing that. And listen, Dan Quinn has this front seven playing maybe the best front seven in football right now. You know,

Dave Clarke: 9:03

we have a Niners attorney.

Rob Kelly: 9:05

They're really good. But yeah, no, totally. I mean, there are during the conversation, but I just I just see this team, like, if this defense shows up, we can beat anyone on any given day, period, you know, and I said that last year, too. So listen, I'm not trying to get my hopes too high for this team right now. I still have my expectations are still reserved. Well, we'll see what we look like in a few months. But right now, with the parity across the NFL with what's happening, it just feels right that they belong in the top 10. Yeah,

Dave Clarke: 9:35

yeah, I do. I mean, I feel like we, we may have thought that things might have settled by now. But I don't think we know anything more than we did in week two. I think that Cooper Rush has this sort of advantage of being an unknown quantity. You know, I think the guy that has what's 2017 He came in the league, right? Like there's no narrative on him yet, you know, and he can still kind of Chrome and I think and establish himself as a guy that saved the Dallas Cowboys season like maybe he has a little bit of a matt Cassel year, you know, and you bank high on him in the offseason and stick with Dak or maybe become starting QB, I don't know but he's on like a $2 million contract. So at the end of the day, like if he puts in a good performance and Dak comes back then you can trade him for some stuff. So it's the only way is up as far as a good performing quarterback is in the league. I think, honestly, the commodity that is the quarterback I think, was sort of undervalued for a while that it was properly valued. And now it's completely a little bit maybe overvalued, where it's like every single thing that people watch on the football field comes down to the quarterback at the end of the day, I think that they've made some adjustments in that offense that I think they would have made regardless of if Dak was in there or not. And I think that it served you pretty well I think that you've asked a little bit less of the sort of lower down the totem pole wide receivers that are just maybe just doing their job on underneath passes and stuff and maybe Cooper rush beat in there as the reason why that is. I mean, you know, you're not asking him to do a ton but then you you have that's the strategy right? You know, you have them kind of do his job until he makes try you know, and then then you give them an opportunity to make a play once in a while. And

Rob Kelly: 11:11

he's got a guy No Brown is looking pretty good too.

Dave Clarke: 11:13

Yeah. There's a couple of dudes coming out of coming out and out of nowhere that none of us have heard of, which is always nice. It's that thing that happens in Pittsburgh every year where you're like, Oh, cool. You have like the best receiver no one's heard of.

Rob Kelly: 11:26

But But I do want to talk about power because I still get annoyed by this man. Listen, I get it that Zeke is you know he's a commodity he's a star in this league. You know, he he's a face of the Cowboys I get it. But I said it's you guys every time he touches the ball or he gets a touchdown like thank God we have the highest paid fullback in the NFL you know what would we do without that highest pay for Tony Pollard is so much more electric and and he's just a better running back at this point in his career, like you just see like cowboys offense moves so much better when Tony Pollard is the focal point of that offense. And if they can, if they can make him get 15 to 20 touches again. I just think the sky's the limit for him. And for this offense because you see it then you see them grind to a halt. Where it's like Pollard for eight Pollard for nine. Zeke comes back in Zeke for two, Zeke for three, all sudden to start and six and we have to punt again. You know what I mean? And it's just yeah, I mean,

Dave Clarke: 12:26

he's sort of reads to me like, like a previous generation running back. Like he doesn't look like the kind of running back even then it's even in his prime. I mean, he probably still be running pretty well. But, you know, unless you're Derrick Henry or say, Quan, Barkley, you kind of don't have these guys that run like the traditional running back anymore. I think that the guys that are proving effective across the league are a little smaller, a little more agile, a little bit more side to side speed and better hands. And I think that we you know, we talked a couple of years ago and a couple years now honestly, about Zeke trying to adjust his game to become at least a threat. And I've been saying this to you for years, at least a threat as a receiver, you know. I feel like if I'm a linebacker and I see Zeke, I don't know how often this happens, you tell me but if I see Zeke pop off, and like stand on the line, to even threaten to be receiver, I'm not looking at him. Because now there's a quarterback, you know what I mean? And like, I just think that even to just just throw in a couple of screen passes started the game, so that they actually have to think about that, like, because, you know, I mean, with a head of steam, you can still run you know that and you can still do that, you know, magical stuff that he that he was known for. And when he got him the bid contract, not quite at the same level, but it just seems like they don't really want to ask him to do anything with the stuff that they asked him to do because they have Pollard and that I think makes you want to see Pollard on the field a little bit more because like you said, he's just more dynamic. And I mean, I agree with you. I I'd like to see him get way more touches because that's what I would do. I'd be going to him every single time. But you're weighed down by that hefty contract and you're trying to get your money's worth. You know, it's like when you go to an all inclusive in Mexico you drink too much every day because you've already paid for

Rob Kelly: 14:08

all your drink. Yes, I need that shot less than I paid for that shot. Yeah, I'm

Dave Clarke: 14:15

gonna just gotta try to keep it cool and hope they don't cut you off. But I think that's sort of the Zeke situation right now. But no, I mean, look, it's great to have a great defense you know, I I used to so it's nice. But, but no, I mean, I

Rob Kelly: 14:29

like get toward x because I used to have I did I fucking

Dave Clarke: 14:33

did. It was nice. It was nice. But no, I mean, look, here we are. Dallas Cowboys better than people thought they might have been I apparently Mike said that they were gonna be good I don't I didn't hear that

Rob Kelly: 14:43

he was just trying to be an asshole that's all that was. He saw He saw me on my lowest was like hey, you know don't I know sounds like he's trying to be nice trying to like pick me up. But that's not what he was trying to do at all. We everyone who ever listened to the show. knows exactly what he was trying to do.

Dave Clarke: 15:00

Shocking. All right. Do you guys have this this coming week?

Rob Kelly: 15:05

Our next team? It's a good segue.

Dave Clarke: 15:08

Oh, you're playing the Rams. Oh, cool. So yeah, that is a good segue. So let's talk about what the fuck is going on in Los Angeles. I feel that I was, you know, I was sort of proven wrong pretty aggressively with my take on Matt Stafford last season because I said that if you just pressure him, and you don't let him get into a rhythm, he will lose his team the game anytime that you plan correctly as a defense, and then he want to forget Superbowl like, right my face just wet it right in my fucking face. So not a ton to really argue with there. However, I do feel like some people actually watched a little game tape from the lions days. And they're starting to bring pressure on him. And when they bring pressure on Matt Stafford, he makes mistakes. And when you when he's forced into into game, like leveling or winning situations, I've noticed he makes mistakes. Now, this is just from watching him play for the Detroit Lions and play might seem twice a year over the course of the last decade. And that's just what I always noticed now maybe comes down in LA the scheme form a little bit better, they protect him a little bit better. They put better weapons around him. And he looks like a wholly new quarterback, which is definitely what happened. It's undeniable. I'm not denying that he's he's a champion. Now. I'm not taking that away from him. But if you point to the San Francisco game, they're bringing pressure on this guy, and they get them out of rhythm early and they rattle them up early. And look what happens. He looks decidedly mediocre. When you do that, decidedly mediocre when you do that, and I'm not saying bad. I'm not saying he's Rex Grossman. You know, I'm not saying he's Jim Miller. I can name a few more terrible bears quarterbacks if you want but I'm not saying how. I'm not saying he's Brian Hoyer. I'm saying he's decidedly average when you rattle him up a little bit he can piece you up if you let him get into a short yardage rhythm and then make plays on you downfield that's the kind of quarterback that he is but if you disrupt his rhythm successfully early I don't know if he's the exactly the NBP everybody was talking about and Cooper cup on the fuckers are blowing up anyway. And he throws the ball to hit every meticulous it's honestly like spread it out, man. So you got the Cowboys common is it is where's it in Dallas

Rob Kelly: 17:18

to LA but it's cowboys homefield anyways, you know, it's Gotcha. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah,

Dave Clarke: 17:25

la fans are terrible sports fans but Bobby's saying don't like don't alienate an entire fucking listening region or anything but I think you guys are fucking class X. Chargers fans. So I so the Dallas coming into LA, I feel like they're vulnerable right now you got two ways that you can look at this. They're vulnerable and they need a win to save their season. And you know, that's a wounded dog is a scary proposition for anybody or there's holes in the tape and you can see it and the cow that cowboys front seven is exactly the kind of defense to exploit it. Which side have you taken? I mean, I know you pretty well, at this point. I think you're probably taking the optimistic bent.

Rob Kelly: 18:03

Yeah, no, I'm gonna go with that the cowboys from seven is going to be all over Stafford.

Dave Clarke: 18:08

I mean, I mean, that's the way to do it.

Rob Kelly: 18:10

This way to beat the Cowboys is to have a good run game, and not let them sell out on that pass rush and make them have to cover the run because that's not what they're good at. That's why the top 40 Niners which I'm gonna I'm gonna get to the 40 Niners in a second, but that's what fortnight is such a tough matchup for the Cowboys because, you know, they have that running offense. And they are my

Dave Clarke: 18:30

first honorable mention, by the way

Rob Kelly: 18:32

that Yeah, so I was just gonna say we don't do this on the show much. But I am very willing to take the Rams out of this power rankings and replace them with 40. Niners

Dave Clarke: 18:41

Oh my god. Yeah, I want that right. Because I want that.

Rob Kelly: 18:47

Yeah, no, it's happening because I was just sitting here thinking I was like, so the Niners are definitely my top honorable mention. I'm with you. 100%. I didn't put them in here because my Jimmy G hate and just despite Joe, but Joe is not on the show. So I gotta be realistic now. Sorry. I just think, you know, after the way they just shellac them. I don't think he's right for me to have the reins on here, even after the Super Bowl champs have them on here over the 40 Niners right. I mean,

Dave Clarke: 19:14

look, I mean, I really enjoyed watching that game, honestly, because I think it was a really elite defensive performance and I have the 40 minutes defense in our fantasy league and I needed them to perform for me to win and how needing a defense to perform for those. It was really nice, but having a defense needing to get you the points needed to win a game is really stressful for our fantasy football players out there, because they're the only ones that are going to probably end up with less points than they start with as everybody knows. So to watch them come out in like sack just sack over and over again. Matt Stafford to end the game with a pick six just to seal the deal to realize and we talked about this, Bobby me and you to realize that they the first few blitzes that they didn't actually need to blitz. Like they're gonna get enough pressure by just they have great numbers. was on that they were I think they have the highest pressure percentage without blitzing anyone but they're from four of anyone in the league. So they bring pressure. I mean, I mean honestly Much, much like the Rams of last season. You know what I mean? Like that D line was exactly that. So I think it was a fun game to watch in that sense and I think that they are super elite. I think that Jimmy G was every inch Jimmy G. I think he makes great underneath passes. I think he's great. Over 15 yards. I think he makes really good reads over 15 yards. I think he plays linebackers really well. I think if you ask him to throw deep ball and someone has a gun to your head, I think you should call your mom and tell her that you're good. That guy's deep ball isn't accurate you know, he's got a he's got a piss poor back shoulder pass which every quarterback basically has at this point now. I think when he has open guys over 15 yards, he makes the catches really difficult on them. And I think I just think he's got a cramp crappy, deep ball. I think that's what keeps him out of the elite, as well as obviously his injury record which, you know, that's been talked to death. So in what in the one sense, I think yes, I would I would see the 40 Niners over the Rams in this powering is based on that game. But another sense. Is it a little reactionary? Because like you said they match up really well against the rams and like what are the 40 Niners look like for the rest of the season? What are the Rams look like for the rest of the season? Because, you know, I mean, Stafford could just like look and Alan Robertson's direct Robinson's direction one time, like maybe, you know, maybe that might change things on the offense, maybe, maybe their running backs might actually be able to make more than a yard per carry their ASIC as it comes up. They have a bit of a weird circle were hanging over. But you know, if you want to do it, I'm in full vocal supportive view. But I just think it's like it could go either way here.

Rob Kelly: 21:43

Yeah, just. So the reason I didn't do it was because of the overall work that we've seen from both teams so far. Like, yes, the four daughters looked much more dominant than the brands did in that game. And if they play at that pace, you know, I think they can be a better team than them. However, the game that went against our they lost to the Broncos was an absolute pitiful performance of football. The defense was great, but Jimmy G was atrocious. The offense was atrocious. So we just seen the basement for the 40, Niners. And there's the basement for I just feel like the basement, we probably went much lower. You know what I mean?

Dave Clarke: 22:19

Because the bears the bears played them game one. And we've been slugging horrible to watch for the rest of the season, we beat them. So that sort of

Rob Kelly: 22:25

so I mean, what do you think? Well, I think I think we're gonna stick with the ranch for now. Just

Dave Clarke: 22:31

to be totally honest, I'll make one point that maybe might sway you to put the foreign owners in there. That defensive performance wasn't by a bunch of guys, that you've never heard of putting a game plan together and being well drilled like there's studs, like you like to say like your wants to say they're studs all over the fields for the 1400s like on paper coming into the season, despite that bears game. And despite that Broncos game on paper coming into the season, that defense was supposed to be the best in the league. It just was. So I you know, you could have made an argument for them. You could have made an order for Tampa Bay, you could have made an argument for the chargers, you could have made an argument for Dallas. To me, it was the 40 Niners and I think they looked like themselves not look like a different team look like you know, a team that were just was just having a good night. To me they look like how they were supposed to look coming into the season. So if they've put that together, it's pretty scary proposition and they might just get into the Power Rankings anyway. So we'll see how it goes. I guess.

Rob Kelly: 23:25

Yeah. I think we're gonna come back to it. We're gonna come back.

Dave Clarke: 23:29

Alright, we'll revisit it next week. But you're on deck on deck or the or the 40 Niners hovering right around the 10th spot to try and muscle their way in here. The ravens are number eight interesting because I find them incredibly flawed. I think that much like their quarterback. I think that they're sort of representative of, of their quarterback and leader in the sense that when they're good, they are very, very good but when they are bad, they are horrid. So talk to me about the Baltimore Ravens What do you see from them moving forward? I forget where you stand on the Lamar thing. Are you pro Lamar or

Rob Kelly: 24:07

this version of alarm very pro Lamar. Let's I understand that there's definitely drawbacks to Lamar its game, but at the same time Winmar has been shown that that much this year. I feel like a lot of this is more on the defense in the coaching staff. I think Omar has done everything that you could ask of a man listen,

Dave Clarke: 24:24

I mean the night and that comeback and that dolphins game and you know we discussed this I don't think if you look at his statline and what he went out and did that day you can't turn around and blame who can be for defense just capitulating horribly and then not being it you know, I mean, it's like he went out there and like threw like three fucking dots to the Casa fucking you know, ran for a million yards, made plays scored like 35 points in his defense couldn't forget hold the other team under 35 It's fucking pathetic. Like, I agree with you. It's not it's not so it's not his fault. And I get I get that but they are a flawed team

Rob Kelly: 24:57

now. 100% and I honestly it's Though I think I'm alone on this island, bro. I don't know if Harbaugh was a good coach anymore. I was I get that he's, you know, he, he does the analytics. And he's all about that. How many games have the Ravens lost over the past two years, because he doesn't trot out. The best kicker in football is a winner Tie game, it still blows my mind. Like they had that game against buffalo, they at least had a chance at a three point lead and making buffalo drive down the field and not be able to ice again the way they did. Yeah, and they go for it. And Walmart throws the pick. And now all of a sudden, there's no Walmart never should have been put in that position, you have to kick that field goal. And that just seems like a trend with me for them. If they can get out of their own way, I just see them as one of the more impressive teams that you've seen when they're playing at their best. So far this year, they've had two games. And they got a lot of talent, two games a 17 point lead. And they've only they've only been trailing so far this season for like a total of two minutes of game time. And they're doing two minutes. So wrong. 102 minutes. But it's just if if Harbach kicks at football, right? Yeah. And the bills can't run that clock out and a half to go all the way down to score touchdown, it's very possible they still do that. Right? Very, very, very possible. But if that doesn't happen, then we're talking about this ravens team is such a different light right now. And it's not about this buffalo team. It's such a different language and your buffalo team to you. But I just think if Harbach can just get out of the way, man, I just don't think he's that good anymore. I don't know what happened to him. He used to be a great coach. But I just feel like he's lost them. So many games over the past two years. It just,

Dave Clarke: 26:52

I mean, sometimes the game. Sometimes the I feel like the NFL is a product. I mean, not to get too meta here. But the NFL I think and I watch as you know, I mean, I'm someone who does a sports podcast, but I watch a lot of different sports, I watch some sports, you guys don't watch, I feel I have a good view on the products that these different sports are delivering. And I really do think despite the fact that they like don't mind if players brains melt in their heads. And there's a little bit of a questionable moral compass at the top of this organization. It is far and away the best products that we're given the way it's delivered the level of athletes that are playing it, the innovation in the game that happens from week to week and season to season. The top end talent you know, the Patrick mahomes is of the world like that, you know, guys we've never seen at this level operating at this level of this product that we're given is so incredibly fun to to digest, but it's also ever changing. It's ever evolving because of of where you know what it is. And I feel like this season in particular I think my theory is I'm trying to theorize is why are the teams we think we should win are winning. Why are the teams that are should be losing, not losing? Why is it such a weird season so far, and I do agree with Mike that it's going to sort of even out. But I think it's because every few years you have this sort of weird, not philosophical, but sort of stylistic transition in the NFL, where different things start to matter based on small rule changes the kind of talent that your game planning for it. And I just feels like that kind of year. And it might be the kind of thing that happens where it's just this is the year it passes a guy like hardball by you know, this is the year where it's just moving a little bit differently for him and he's not making the right reads in his in the margins at the top, you know, the margins at the top of anything are incredibly small. So if you lose a step, even as a coach, you know, sort of mentally and your instincts aren't quite doing what they're supposed to be doing for you. It can snowball quickly, it can snowball really, really quickly. And as a fan, you and I can sit here and look and say like come on. And this is super obvious, like keep up. But from his perspective he's looking from he's looking at the game from the inside of this team. He's trying to GamePlan for his team. He's trying to play to his team's strengths and it's not working out for him. And now maybe he's just trying to overcorrect a little bit. Maybe he needs to take his hand out of the pie a little bit. I mean, I still believe he's a good coach. But to try to answer your theory as to what the fuck is going on over there in the in the front office if it wasn't Harbaugh? If it was anybody else or almost anybody else we'd be like guys sucks and we would just move on

Rob Kelly: 29:28

the decisions that he wants to quote Herman Edwards you play to win the game.

Dave Clarke: 29:35

But and he's a great example of like someone that happened to you know what I mean? It's like 100% that is you know, that's a bit you brought you bring up a perfect prime example like there's guys that you know, are smart enough to say like I don't really I mean, we you know, we've talked about Bill Belichick it's so much on the on the on the discord. I'm not prepared to come on this podcast and say that Bill Belichick is it like still the best coach in the NFL. I I think our more Patriot minded brothers in arms for this podcast are hurting at the moment. And I think that they see that the error is over and I think that they need someone to blame a little I'd still be riding with the dude, I'd be like, lose every game. Lose every fucking game from here until the day I die. I don't give a shit. You gave me everything. I'm good. But that's just me. I mean, it is it's also speculative because I haven't come close to that success in my NFL watching career. But well, I mean, I like to remain. I like to remain optimistic. I might see six titles in my time. Who knows? I mean, maybe once we get those transformers from the fox commercials playing maybe the bears will be first. Please concussion protocol won't be an issue, but the Rise of the Machines might be so I think I think

Rob Kelly: 30:45

that they do right? Yeah. Oh,

Dave Clarke: 30:47

yeah. Stable for sure. I watch too much red zone. Now though. I

Rob Kelly: 30:51

don't really want me

Dave Clarke: 30:54

to just put on redzone I have like the Bears game dedicated on one TV and then I just have redzone and it's just like, I gotta flick on Fat Tire and a bag of Schneider's pretzel pieces and redzone and I'm like me and everybody in America are just happy as a pig and shit. So yeah, I mean, the ravens are a weird team I still find them fun to watch I still find them more dynamic I still think that they can get it figured out. Funny enough they're playing the Bengals next week who are also in a weird situation like are they good? Are they not good? They seem flawed there's a suitable hangover they didn't do enough to improve their offensive line and help out there you know all star quarterback and you know I think that I think that you you basically make the best point possible about the Ravens everybody's very quick to say Lamar Lamar Lamar and this actually isn't his fault it's not and I think that that's it's it's sucks for him that he kind of is having his like silence the doubters season and everything around him just from

Rob Kelly: 31:47

that that's like so top fantasy football performance so far this year. Number one is Lamar Jackson with no passing rushing everything like that that's a 234 number five is Lamar Jackson without his rushing stats so but it's it's unreal what

Dave Clarke: 32:07

he's doing right Give the man his fucking give the man is reward for putting in a great season this is not his fault. This is and I you know, Ray and I had had a small disagreement about it on the on the discord. He was like, dude, everyone's gonna give him shit for this loss or whatever, when we're talking about the dolphins game, like, maybe, but that's not correct. It's not sure they can give him shit but like, I don't think they could bring the fuck and receipts.

Rob Kelly: 32:28

We're not that we're not that like, Oh,

Dave Clarke: 32:30

we're not I mean look, I've criticized him in the past and I've seen holes in his game and flaws in his game and I still don't think he's perfect, but I'm not blaming the fucking ravens season on him no way like it's crazy. He goes and does his job every week like I can't I can't do it. What do you want him to do? You want me to take his time with the scoring drives? Hold the ball out of the ball a little bit more Lamar don't make

Rob Kelly: 32:51

the yard score.

Dave Clarke: 32:52

We don't want we can't let the defense get on the bucket field do because they're just gonna blow the fucking lead anyway so just hold on to the ball for a little bit run around in circles tech mobile style like what the fuck? Anyway

Rob Kelly: 33:03

you want to bring on make Devin DuVernay look way better? Okay, come on. Seriously, like Gemma was leading the league in touchdowns right now. Yeah,

Dave Clarke: 33:11

I mean it's it's awesome. I love the offensive weapons he has I really like his tight end I you know, I think Bateman has been a little unlucky with some drops I think that he's gonna come good. I think they have a lot of good weapons over there. And I think that the offense is only going to go from strength to strength but the defense needs in Baltimore of all fucking places I'm about to say this defense needs to get his fucking head screwed on the fucking era though the oh six Madden era that we grew up in my friend. It's just not it's not the same anymore. Brian or lacquer and Edie read and functions and all those type of guys are just not in the league anymore. They're all those dudes play for different teams.

Rob Kelly: 33:42

It's so fun. Like not what we move on after that. But it's so funny that like they still have that aura about them. Like I just look at the Ravens I assume good defense and it's totally not the case anymore. No, it's

Dave Clarke: 33:54

really not which is unfortunate and honestly Harbaugh to. I feel like he's a defensively minded coach. I feel like he should have the brain to put that put that defense a little bit together a little bit better. But here we are. We'll see how it goes. I'm sure we'll discuss the Baltimore Ravens again as the season goes on. So welcome, everyone to the little knitting circle. We're about to have the whole gossip corner when we move on to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and said Ben Affleck the quarterback, I don't mean to laugh at the man's marital troubles and quite frankly I am a big proponent and advocate of just not crossing the streams when it comes to somebody's personal life and and their play on the field but I can I just feel like maybe you should have just hung out with the supermodel life season because I don't think it's been a Super Bowl. And I mean I don't want to i Far be it for me to doubt the man Tom Brady. We're done. Oh, by the way, if you guys have been living under

Rob Kelly: 34:54

they got it passed. I think they got it yet.

Dave Clarke: 34:57

But But yeah, it seems like the Rumors are swirling that he's getting divorced from his wife. And it seems like maybe the last straw was coming back to Tampa, ripping those shirtsleeves off drink and fucking Miller lights by the gator pool and can blame for the bucks again, and they don't seem to quite have that it factor this season. I know they're ahead of some teams on this power rankings. And I think it does make sense to have a Tom Brady team still, you know, at least in seventh, but the red zone offense is not great Godwin's on one leg. Brady's still pretty elite, but maybe he hasn't lost a step. I don't know. You tell me. What do you think of this? What do you think this Tampa Bay Buccaneers team this year? I mean, their defense is still stingy as hell.

Rob Kelly: 35:38

Yeah, that that game was weird. You know, I don't want to put too much I don't want to overreact too much to that game. And defense because of, you know, the hurricane and everything like that. Guys, guys were displaced. You know, I don't know how much you can, you know, make that as an excuse and how much you can say, you know, that's why, I guess that's still an excuse for him talking about. I feel like

Dave Clarke: 36:01

I feel like I never I can't, can't bring to memory many times where I watched Tom Brady get like styled on in primetime. Like I just I you know, I don't I like he was he was under a lot of pressure. He wasn't he wasn't the best guy on the field. Patrick mahomes Put on a fucking absolute tour de force performance. Like he looked like he's only an NFL st out there. And I just and I was so much fun to watch Travis Kelce was cutting them up and just score me points. It's just I don't know, it doesn't feel right. I you know, I know that we're supposed to have like better an analysis than that. And I guess we do a sports podcast, but it doesn't feel right in Tampa right now. Something's not correct. Tom Brady, offense to me.

Rob Kelly: 36:43

You're right. I mean, you even look at your it's 100% Correct. I mean, they have been banged up. They have I think, statistically they have the most games missed out of any offense in the NFL, you're 100% correct that it doesn't look right. You know, you look at the game they won against the 40 Niners was it the Niners yet where it was like 1212 10 or something like that. Are those packers I guess packers? What it was like 1210 is like even even that game, actually, I think they lose that game. I was just gonna say I think the buck lost that game. So you have that game factored in, as well. And then this past game, where even when Brady puts up 31 points, they still spot the chiefs, two fumbles, and the Chiefs get 14 Points off those two fumbles. So it's like even when the offense is clicking and does work like a Tom Brady offense at points, there's still times where it's like what is what's going on what's going on with turning one point

Dave Clarke: 37:37

31 points that like I mean, so there was garbage time started early in that game

Rob Kelly: 37:41

yeah. 100% and but like I do want to talk about the personal stuff a little bit because I do think that has a debt it's got a factor and I have to say that because

Dave Clarke: 37:50

Tom Brady for him but it for his teammates maybe you know, it's like they're worried about their quarterback in the tabloids. It's it's not great.

Rob Kelly: 37:56

Yeah. And he doesn't. He doesn't convey someone that's taken his divorce. Well,

Dave Clarke: 38:02

he looks nervous.

Rob Kelly: 38:04

They look I don't know if he got like cheekbone shaved down like what

Dave Clarke: 38:08

the hell are you holding his kale supply hostage or something? But maybe she's like, I you know what I told you not to go back. And now I'm not I'm keeping the baby blood away from you. He can't drink that. And you're going to start to age and everyone's going to be able to see it. He looks like a melting vampire.

Rob Kelly: 38:25

Like he's the devil is coming for his,

Dave Clarke: 38:29

whatever it is that he was using as a talisman in order to be like that monkey's paw that he was making wishes on for the past 20 years.

Rob Kelly: 38:37

But at the end of the day, it's still Tom Brady. You know what I mean? Like, we know him. Right? We've sat here and doubted this man for the last 10 goddamn years. And

Dave Clarke: 38:49

the answers not since the Falcons. I mean, I know that took too long still, but not since the Falcons come back if I ever said a fucking bad word about him. That was to me it was like, Hey, you can do anything? You

Rob Kelly: 38:58

know what I mean? Even Even their loss last year in the playoffs, bro. He did everything possible that Tom Brady could for them to win that game.

Dave Clarke: 39:07

Well, this is this time. You know, he shouldn't even be here. He shouldn't even still be in the conversation with being elite. You know, he shouldn't have even gotten a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay. It's all ridiculous.

Rob Kelly: 39:15

I've thought about I was thinking about this the other day is like, I was a child. Tom Brady started playing a goddamn child.

Dave Clarke: 39:24

I still have to Chicago as I was like still just getting into the bears. I was like, unbelievable. He had the same rookie season. I think he might have had the same rookie year as Brian or lacquer. He's like still fucking going. So I don't know man. It's fucking wild. So moving on from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who are obviously I don't know if the Spellsword off or what the deal is, but we're gonna move on to some fucking Green Bay Packers. I mean, yeah, they do this every year right like Rodgers comes in and he sort of flatters to deceive that they're gonna suck. Then he just like gets his elite running back committee going he's started throwing dimes and he looks like Aaron Rodgers again. I still have faith that it'll fuck up in the playoffs because he always does. But I really thought like this Ayahuasca tour that he was doing in the offseason was going to have just like really bad ramifications and their first game wasn't great, but they're still pretty good. And they're probably gonna win the NFC North. I hate to say it. He's very unlikable, and more unlikable by the year. So that's nice, for me at least, but what do you think about this Green Bay Packers fan? I really like the running backs. I've always liked the way that they actually started running backs in Green Bay. I hate to admit, but I hate Aaron Rodgers. And they shouldn't be as good as they are. But he's, he's elite. Somebody's gonna do to talk to me about Green Bay. Yeah,

Rob Kelly: 40:40

I don't know what to think about Green Bay, man, because you're right. They have. I challenge kellen moore to please go watch film of the goddamn Green Bay Packers and how they dispense their running backs on a week to week basis, please yeah, just go watch it. Go watch it. Oh, it's amazing. But yeah, Aaron Rodgers, man. You know what I mean? That's it's the same reason I'm gonna sit here and tell you why the Bucs are in this top 10 is because Aaron Rodgers is here. Listen, he made I know it was way closer than it should have been. This past week with the sanguine and Bailey Zappe Eat. But listen still Bill Belichick and it's still the New England Patriots. You know?

Dave Clarke: 41:18

Also, it's a quarterback you didn't GamePlan for like, I feel like people don't really put that much. I'm like, actually, I'm listening to myself defend the Green Bay Packers. How are they not going to do better against a fucking quarterback who's averaged them? limping for now is getting Go ahead.

Rob Kelly: 41:34

Yeah, no, it's just their defense has left a lot to be desired. So far this year, they're getting gouged on the ground so far. And that was their biggest issue last year. So that's something that they have to get in check, or else they're gonna end up losing to a San Francisco 40 Niners or to a Dallas Cowboys teams that have them running round one of the playoffs, right, exactly three years, right? That's on deck, for sure. But at this time, man, you can't sit here and doubt what Aaron Rodgers has done with maybe one of the top, a bottom 10 wide receiver group in the NFL. You know what I mean? There's no talent in that wide receiver, no elite talent. There's talent. But no,

Dave Clarke: 42:15

I also never give the fucking guy defense. Like they really never give the guy a proper defense. Like I read some crazy stat and I'm probably gonna get this wrong, but on the exact numbers, but I heard Tom Brady has like, never had a knock top 10 defense and Aaron Rodgers has had one like one time, like, statistically and are like, whatever the numbers were, but, you know, I'm not defending Aaron Rodgers and like, he doesn't fucking play. He's

Rob Kelly: 42:36

one of those like memes, right? That was Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's

Dave Clarke: 42:40

little stat things that people do for clickbait. But it was an interesting stat. And I just feel like, you know, I think that does let them down. And especially in the postseason, you know, it's very tired, adage, Defense wins championships, and I'm not sure it does in the NFL anymore. I'm not sure it wins you championship games in the NFL anymore. I think that your quarterback has to do that for you nowadays. But I think it might get you to the show. Or I have maybe to word it better. You're not getting to the show unless you have one a decent one. And I think if you were someone other than me, for instance, you could see that Aaron Rodgers maybe in his career was a little hard done by by the minds they put in the coaching staff around him and the players they put around him and the players they put on his defense, you maybe would be able to make that case, not to me, not to me, but to somebody else, he might be able to make that case. So they're a little bit of a weird team now.

Rob Kelly: 43:28

Yeah, yeah, it is weird. And it really is just Aaron Rodgers factor. It's funny because of the team we have next on his list that like the rationale behind my two teams that have been the past few teams are quarterbacks when the next is Kirk Cousins.

Dave Clarke: 43:44

good segue honestly because obviously the next one is the Vikings. They're worse than I thought they were going to be this season to be quite honest with you I thought that they're going to be a lot better with the weapons that they have on offense but as you know, it was talked about and reminded to me Christmas and still they're still there quarterbacks so what's going on in Minnesota Bobby talk to me Yeah, it's

Rob Kelly: 44:02

so weird because like you look at this list right? So Minnesota is literally number five on my list. I had them I had them below the Packers at first I had the Packers five but that I kind of factored in that New England when as like kind of dropping them down one peg and brought the Vikings up just because of the weapons and the dynamic ability of that offense. So it's really why is like I just feel like the weapons outweigh the quarterback you know, discrepancy between Rodgers and consulates. You know what I mean? Like Aaron Rodgers was on the Vikings. They'd be probably like one of the top two teams in the NFL, but it's Kirk Cousins so I don't I don't know what to make. I really don't I mean, they they took a last second full goal for them to beat and adult in the saints, but at the same time, they absolutely. Who did they smack a few weeks ago. The Packers did Pat right. Absolutely wax the Packers a few weeks ago. So it's like it's It's definitely a hidden mess with this team. But right now with the NFL that we've seen over the past four weeks in the weapons, and just the way they pulled out these games, I just want the teams that are behind them. They have so many so many last question marks at the important positions on their team, you know, so except for separate quarterbacks. If it's 1pm on a Sunday, they're good. If they're 8pm, they're fine.

Dave Clarke: 45:30

Yeah, Fox, but honestly, I think primetime games this week are the things that gave us the most insights into who's good and who isn't. And I think that, you know, on paper to me, they're not there. They're winning the games that they should win. But not by enough I mean, I know that's a tough criticism to sort of level at at a team it's like you can only play is put in front of you. If you win the game, you win the game at dub dub. That's what I'd be saying if it was the bears, but I think that it's like, ah, like, it's proving true that the saints are not a flooded or hard team to beat and you made it look difficult. It's proving true that the Detroit Lions are not a super hard team to beat but they're fun to watch. I will say that I still you know, I pray for their downfall unless they're playing anybody but the Vikings the Packers, you made it look a lot harder to beat the Detroit Lions than you should have you got waxed by the fucking eagles who actually look like an elite team. So what happens when you play a you know, a conceivably elite team you get fucked up, you get decisively pumped up. So I mean, if you're, if you're one of the better coaching minds in the league, and you're going into play the Vikings, you're not really trying to overthink it, are you you're like let's make Kirk Cousins beat us. And if and if he does, c'est la vie. Good for him. Great. happy for him proud of the kid for God's sake I'm gonna send him a bouquet of roses. But he's probably not gonna write if if you eliminate the distribution at the source and once there's more tape on this team and once there's more tape on the offensive weapons that they've got, you're not going to contain the J J's of the world you're not you're not going to contain these guys that are gonna make plays on your on your secondary but you can make it so that the ball doesn't get to them because their quarterback is fucking six he's a six out of 10 He's a 5.8 He's the one he's a solid by by

Rob Kelly: 47:19

5.8 is pretty accurate

Dave Clarke: 47:21

at point eight with some more decimals after that. But when we're rounding up for Kirk Cousins has benefit I think I think that you know, I'm not I'm not watching Kirk Cousins when I'm not doing it. If if that very unlikely thing comes to pass. I'm going to take my own life before before it happens right at the end of the game just like the fucking fuel goes through the uprights I'm like nope, done. So anyway, I don't think I'm gonna have to worry but it's not it's we're not winning watching Kirk Cousins win a Super Bowl they need to do something they need to do something the quarterback position we'll see how they look this season and I get why they're they are where they're at on the pairings truly I do. But let's see when they play some real teams. You know, I think they're gonna lose to every really good team that they play. But again, I'm a little biased I'm a little biased and I'm actually being less hard on these fuckers than I usually am because I really do think that they have studs on their offensive side of the ball yes and Jefferson is so goddamn sick he's but you know if you can if you can contain the quarterback you can usually win the game so there's been some weird quarterbacks that lines this season with on winning winning games I mean the bears are good example but it's you know, I mean,

Rob Kelly: 48:25

can I give you a status I thought I saw today that I thought it was more I get the exact one I want to get the exact numbers for it was the dude Justin fields Oh great. And yeah, sorry. And how Cooper cup has more catches that he gets completion so far this is

Dave Clarke: 48:46

really funny. I think you know of watching the quick aside if anybody wants to hear it I think we it was a real old school game that we played against the Giants it was really heartbreaking to lose like a rookie muffin a fucking point on your before you actually get to make a game winning drive I'm sorry what a scored and made two point version just to take it in overtime like our chances are pretty slim at that point. I do like the team. I mean, they're young, they're athletic. There's there needs to be some improvement I think on in like mentality but I think that will come with age. I love the baby bears like I do. I'm excited about the future the team. You got to give the kid shot the opportunity to make plays to win the game. You have to give him opportunities to make plays to win the game whether he does or he doesn't. You can't be running the fuck this is the same shit. That that that fucking bald asshole did Matt naggy did last season in the season before. If it's third and four man you can't be handing it off to Khalil Herbert and hoping for fucking first down. You have a young dynamic quarterback. I understand. You don't want to put too much pressure on him. But he's the fucking quarterback of the team. It's a year to he's got to be put in a position to make plays to win games. And if you don't trust him, what are we doing? If you don't trust him? What are we doing here? You know, so That's all I'll say about that and my sort of first my first issue with it with the new regime in Chicago was that I just feel like there was opportunities and distinct moments in the game where you should have given put the ball in his hands for him to make plays. And you didn't you just didn't do perfectly conservative

Rob Kelly: 50:16

even on the one play they did. So it's Cooper cup perceptions 42 Justin fields completions 34 After four weeks, but well, even on the so on the play that he

Dave Clarke: 50:26

did a record he fucking throws the ball Cooper cup every single time that's a category that's

Rob Kelly: 50:33

got 42 catches and fucking four games.

Dave Clarke: 50:35

Okay, that's like the kid who presses circle every time when you're flipping playing Madden. You know, it's like I get to do press. There's other buttons like I know where you're throwing it to. It's fine.

Rob Kelly: 50:43

But on the on that one bomb to Mooney, bro, that was a good ball. When they let him sling it he does put out granted there's there's bad ones. But

Dave Clarke: 50:52

you got to live with both right and guys we're doing right now. You're literally what we're doing. What we should be doing right now is let them get reps letting him get fucking at bats. That's what this season is like, we're not here to win

Rob Kelly: 51:05

the show hit 220 That's fine.

Dave Clarke: 51:08

Like he's gonna make some fucking plays. He's gonna get on the ESPN top 10 But you got to put the ball in his hands and let him do that you gotta expand the playbook a little bit. You got to be more creative. Like, I get what they're doing. And I understand the you know, keep them healthy. You know, take the pressure off him get him in good positions. Like whenever short field I get it. But man, like there's just some moments where I'm like, You got to trust the kid, man. You got to trust the kid. And if he and if he's like, what does that say to him to us as a fan base. Does that say like, I think that if Justin fields throat has a really bad game throws three picks. he's done is he's mentally fucking finished. I don't you know, it doesn't make sense to me. Because you got to find that out one way or the other. You know, if he's if he's not made of the right stuff, find it out early. You know, and then take the season and fucking draft somebody.

Rob Kelly: 51:53

It's a good it's a good segue. Segue. I mean, it's a good way to relate it back to the Vikings because they play each other this week. So it's bears Vikings this week. And the way to beat the Vikings is to pass on them. That's literally dude. That's the number one way to beat them. And I think so we

Dave Clarke: 52:08

have a beat up David Montgomery and you know not I mean, I think Herbert's a good running back, but I think he's better in a committee. And I think that that's the way we have to do it. We have to we have to make I think Darnell Mooney is a good receiver. I think he's the number one target. I think camera braids a good receiver. I think he should get involved more. I think Herbert and if Montgomery can play some snaps should be getting short yardage passes. And I think you should just let Justin fields get out there and worry them you know make them give them something to think about because he could take off running in any time for a first down let him play his game. Get this is the stuff we talked about the now he wasn't doing just let them get hit dropping back and fucking shock on every single time. Let him run a little RPO you know let them let them make some choices on the field. Let him call some plays. Let him get comfortable so that you can start to build yourself a fucking franchise quarterback. You know if you treat him like Mitch Trubisky he's gonna play like fucking Mitch Rybicki. If you treat him like what you think Justin field is going to be. He's going to play like what Justin fields is going to be. So anyway, I'm obviously upset. It's fine. I'm always fucking upset. I'm always upset with this fucking team but I just want to see him do cool shit. That's the only thing I'm gonna get out of this season. I get anything at all as I'm going to see Justin fields do cool shit. I'm gonna see him make cool plays fucking break tackles and like throw bombs or fucking you know, juke guys and make cool runs into the endzone all that shit. I watched that. I don't need to win a Super Bowl. But if I have a Michael Vick season from him, I'm I'm about it.

Rob Kelly: 53:33

I know. I think about you every time I've seen him run an RPO and 30 name every time every time I see it. I'm like I feel so bad for you.

Dave Clarke: 53:43

Nate P No. P bitch. Damn, it's not fucking rocket science. Third name. Why read 30 In the Gospels Why read their name fucking first place by the way, you know? Like, give him give him the fucking chance to win. You got the end game of football. Give him a chance. Anyway. Pete anyway. Yes, let's move on to the top breathe. Deep breath it's a new era.

Rob Kelly: 54:11

I got it now I got you know at least your new Ira isn't Mike McCarthy you know that's

Dave Clarke: 54:17

it's just there are coaches in an uncoordinated some she picks me off last week so we'll see but maybe more than I do dolphins so the way to succeed in this league is to decide that your quarterbacks brain injuries there they are taking some heat that guy what's fuck? What's his name? The coach McDaniel Yeah, he Daniel went from being the hero of the NFL. Wow man he's weird he's literally he's nerdy looks like you know a guy that you like you might hang out with on the on the block he's kind of funny. That seems seems like and we're all about and then it's like you are responsible monster you're gonna get to a killed every doctor in America hates that fucking guy right now listen, I'm no Dr. But I mean, he shouldn't have been placed

Rob Kelly: 55:03

no goddamn way.

Dave Clarke: 55:05

Like a toe curler of a hitch. For

Rob Kelly: 55:07

he shouldn't have come back that week. And then so that's that's two are

Dave Clarke: 55:13

these doctors in this hospital? There? I am. You can call him Hollywood. Medical School. Oh man, I mean all this concussion stuff in the NFL the NFL should have made him sit. They should have said to that, like, where's the protocol here? Yeah, it's like yeah, you can you're just not doing yourself any fucking favors. Like I know nobody gives a shit and everybody's gonna renew their focus on the ticket thing next season so like Roger Goodell probably doesn't give a fuck but he's probably not even reading those emails. But damn, man, it's like a guy's life

Rob Kelly: 55:39

that was so scary to I know. The guy that did fingers and like Yeah, well, that's I mean, you see that shit like the UFC? Yeah, that's like literally looking for life. You know what I mean? That's the brain like winging to like any movie

Dave Clarke: 55:52

called the Shadow Realm and I've seen lots of people get sent there and like you don't come back the same row the thing is too is like I was kind of getting excited about the dolphin season they were fun offense to watch I like when most of the teams in that division get beaten. I don't really feel anything about the dolphins. So to see like waddle and and to hook up and like all these different little like, you know cool and Tyreke Hill and like all this did all this stuff kind of come together it was like fun to watch down and down in Miami and then this weird shit happens and like even if he does come back as he they're gonna be the same guy is are they going to have to be more conservative? I you know, I know he's not like the hugest loss in the world. It's not it's not a huge step down from from him to Bridgewater but like, it is enough of one I think where you could see their season take a little bit of mental a mental step. Because everyone else around Yeah, but it was with him. You know, you can really see that.

Rob Kelly: 56:47

And they're rallying, rallying around this guy like you watch the videos of them all interacting, and like the interviews between him and Fitzpatrick, they came up again, that was right, so exact. So I definitely think that has a factor to it. I completely agree that it's just kind of disappointing, because I loved those Miami team and I was so high on them. And that's why they're still you know, I think two is out. I think it's possible for the season, man. Yeah, no, I mean, I think it's really tough to bring him back at this point. You the

Dave Clarke: 57:17

guy that you know, the guy that base that said he should retire. He was like, yeah, yeah, I just feel like, I feel like if that was me, Listen, I don't make I don't make a living with it. I think living with my body, you know, like, I make a living with my fucking ability to not sleep. And being so stressed out that people are thinking I'm doing a good job. And I'm like, answering emails quickly. That's how I make my living. I feel like if, if I got a brain injury, and somebody told me that if I kept production managing broken television commercials might die. I might die. I would fucking retire. Yeah, okay, cool. I'll work at Target. I don't give a shit. You know, and I get it. It's, it takes an incredible amount of hard work and sacrifice and God given talent and luck to get into the position that he was in. So I doubt he considers retiring. I would be very surprised. But it's a little scary to hear that right?

Rob Kelly: 58:10

Yeah, he can. If you're the dolphins, right, if you're in that position, so he can't come back for at least 10 weeks. Right? He can't come back until December. Well, what doctors

Dave Clarke: 58:22

what doctors are you listening to now because the doctors or the dolphins obviously have lost all their fucking credibility. Right so the doctors or whatever hospital he went to have obviously lost all their credibility one way or the other. So who's protecting this guy's fucking brain? You know, this so scary. Man. This isn't an This isn't something we're talking about giving him an issue at 35 This isn't as some of this is when he turns 50 And he gets early onset fucking Alzheimer's from these hits. And you know, it's like the same shit. It happened in hockey with Sidney Crosby. Right? It's like, he's taking hits. He's getting all these concussions and you're like, Dude, I mean, I know you're a really good player, but like the work they do on these concussions and the research they do on these concussions at any time you read about them. It's like oh, wouldn't want to get one of those. Double

Rob Kelly: 59:09

the double concussion to that's that's that's what hurts man is

Dave Clarke: 59:13

the worst possible thing you could have done right? Worse. literally the worst thing we could

Rob Kelly: 59:17

do. Who was it? I forget what podcasts do but they brought up Eric Lindros. We are in a

Dave Clarke: 59:23

cast. There's no other podcasts. Well, that's true. We are

Rob Kelly: 59:27

but they brought up Eric Lindros as an example of a guy whose career was right dismantled by by double concussions and I think that's perfect because like listen, Eric Lindros was a top, a top 10 player in the NHL when he was at his prime. And he got two concussions back to back in the same week, and he was never the same again. I gotta retire but like, it's just, you can't you can't bring this guy back out there. You can't do it.

Dave Clarke: 59:56

You know, I know just in talking about this like We live in an age where I think if we weren't desensitized to everything pre like COVID and pre having like an event happen every single morning to wake up to and pre like but living through near apocalypse and getting constantly fed like diabolical information and doom scrolling on your phone every day. If we weren't that then we certainly are now and I think that we're so fucking desensitized to stuff that actually matters. To the point where Jr say, I shoots himself dead, shoots himself in the chest. This is a guy by the way, who like you know, if you're a little bit older than us, like I know, he wasn't like, prolific as much when we were kids. But if you're a little bit older than us, you remember him as a fucking stud. One of the best car whacker generate right, he was he was one of the best college players anyone ever had ever seen. He's a fucking folk hero in Southern California. Because of the work he did here in college. He plays out of his fucking mind in New England, he plays out of his mind and all these different places. He's in a completely elite defensive player. And he is so fucked up in his brain, right? That the money made from his career, and the success he had in his life aren't enough to keep the pain at bay. So he has to take his own fucking life. And he knows it's because of the fucking head injuries that he took. He knows that's why and he shoots himself in a buck and chest, just so they can look at his brain, find out how fucked up it is, and maybe help some people in the future.

Rob Kelly: 1:01:32

And nothing. And to go on out there for days after he collapses on the field.

Dave Clarke: 1:01:38

Straight up Jr. Say a gun to his fucking chest going alright, I you know, this is a big decision to die. But at least I'll help the the two ends of the world in a few years, right? No one gives a fuck. No one gives a fuck. They put that dude out there. He's an expendable fucking commodity for the Miami Dolphins in the National Football League. Frankly, they should be fucking ashamed of themselves. I will still be tuning in this coming Sunday, obviously because I'm addicted to the product and this issue is the issue. That's why I can't but I mean, honestly, it's it's funny, but it's tragic. At the same time. It's bittersweet and no one's walking out. You know, no one's getting up and walking out these guys. You need some fucking government oversight or something at this point. Because like they are they like the Where's their players union? Where the fuck is the players? Yeah, I

Rob Kelly: 1:02:23

understand what happened with them. They said they're investigating it and stuff. And also

Dave Clarke: 1:02:29

like the fact that you and me and the other fucking four assholes that sit on this fucking podcast can get into a discord chat be like he definitely should not play. There's like any reputable doctor and Americans going he definitely should not play. And then he plays and of course the inevitable happens. And he's fucking tweaking out like he's just taking a fucking bad rip of black tar heroin. And like everyone's just like, oh, everyone in Miami, Florida. Oh, well, I wonder what happened. What are you doing? back injury? Yeah, you'd like to think that some things are bigger than football. But I think to some people, especially inside football, they certainly aren't. Anyway, moving on in our football dedicated fucking podcast.

Rob Kelly: 1:03:07

Anyways. Tyreke Hill and Jaylen Waddle still there, so that's why there's the beast.

Dave Clarke: 1:03:12

Yeah, definitely. I get it the bills.

Rob Kelly: 1:03:15

What the fuck? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

Dave Clarke: 1:03:18

Either. Everybody's in everybody's fuckin sweethearts. Everybody's number one team coming in the best team on paper easily and the offseason I think what the fuck. They worked like it's a weight of expectations thing. It's a it's a weight of expectations thing, isn't it?

Rob Kelly: 1:03:32

i It might be. Because I mean, you think they literally were the first two weeks they worked like that team. They came out and dominated the Rams. And then they stomped the titans in week two. I don't want to put too much into that game this past week. Because it was a weird weather game. You know, you saw the remnants of Hurricane he's dropping all the rain on the northeast up here. But I don't know, man. I don't know. But listen, I want to trust his team. Because of all the hype and everything that we've said. But like, it just seems like when the moment gets big, or when Josh Allen had some kind of adversity when it comes to weather when it comes to something just not going right things things go off the rails and buffalo granted, they still came back and won that game and if there is ever a masterclass of how to grind a clock at the end of a game to not give the ball back to the other team that was it on Sunday because they got the ball back with like three ministers don't

Dave Clarke: 1:04:34

know if a team that elite should be doing that or should be having to do that you know and again like these are games that they should be an elite you know on paper. I mean I'm glad I've been putting money on him this season because like I doubt they've been like I mean there's been some teams beat the spread against them for sure. So I just like I don't know, man it's again it's I know it's tough when they win the game to level a criticism at like, oh, you should have won by more than wins a win but like we talked about the Ravens that was 100 ravens fucking fault totally honest with you so yeah, I don't know man I mean it's I'd be worried if I was if I was bills mafia right now I'd be a little concerned. I mean the way they were they got sent home in Miami was like

Rob Kelly: 1:05:12

oh my god I just don't know what that no team in the history of the NFL has ever ran that many players lost again never had some crazy

Dave Clarke: 1:05:20

like they got fucking sent home to like the with the attitude about it was like have a nice fucking flight you know what I mean? It was last divisional game. It's a tough Fucking hell. It's got to be tough to come back to them mentally that is a crazy stat

Rob Kelly: 1:05:31

that they don't they don't have any I feel like the running backs you know, it always gets pushed to the side man and was I know we had this conversation about Singletary this week, but like he just seems so underwhelming at times. And it's like they give him the ball enough. Yeah, they don't rely on it enough they let Josh Allen be the running back and I got it because he's awesome, man. But don't get me wrong trust our might be a top 10 running back in the NFL quarterback position. That's a very good possibility. But I just don't know what happens to them then because they look so good. So good. And then the offense just sputters. Like even last year, right? Last year, they were the same darlings. You know, everyone loves the offense. But then they have a game against Jacksonville where they lose nine to six. And it's like what what? What the hell just happened? What

Dave Clarke: 1:06:21

are what are what are you seeing on the tape that that is enabling them to get to them? You know, mentally? I don't know, like Game Plan wise. I don't know. It's weird thing. But I I don't know, I don't have the same level of faith I had four weeks ago. I really don't. And I think that you know, I think that I would be unsurprised if they come back and decide to be the Buffalo Bills that we thought they were not that surprised that they don't, you know, you can't play like even playing against the Kansas City Chiefs are fucking the Philadelphia Eagles or, you know, there's, there's other teams that like them, they should be beating that I'm worried that they're coming up against that they're gonna be able to get out. I'm so not worried because I don't really give a shit about the Buffalo Bills, to be honest, and if they do good or not, but I'd be I'd be worried if I didn't care. So, I mean, sometimes the weight of expectation, the weight of the weight of the shirt is a lot when everyone tells you, you should be winning a Super Bowl, and a little bit goes wrong. And then you're like, oh, fuck, we're supposed to win a Super Bowl. This is embarrassing. Yeah, the underdog is getting us and we're, you know, we're never the underdog anymore. And we can't rally around that attitude. Maybe things can go wrong. So watch this space, I guess is the kind of the message with the bills. Let's keep an eye on them until we know more. I'd love to finish this off with a package. Go one, two. Yeah, no, I feel that because I'm just I just want to make the case because we talked about a little bit of a discord. But I knew we're going to come here and talk about it. So you have the ego that number one and number two, and my my argument that it should be reversed in a nutshell, as you already know, but for the sake of the listeners is level of competition, the level of competition the things that chiefs have done, I understand they had one weird week. But and the you know, I understand the Eagles have not lost the game yet. But the teams that they're playing, I don't think really test them to the level of Patrick mahomes. And that very, very good Kansas City Chiefs team coming out styling on Tom Brady and the Buccaneers and a stingy Buccaneers defense in primetime. I think that that to me. When I watched that game, I was and I watched every morsel of football I could consume all way from Thursday to Monday. And in this game week. That to me was the team where I was like, that's the best team. Like I just watching them. I was like, that's the best team. Like they're so fucking good. They have so many weapons still. I know it's boring. I know. What's the Lebron MVP thing? LeBron should have won MVP every single year. But it was fucking boring. It gives LeBron every single Yeah, so yeah, give us give it to Russell Westbrook because he got like a billion triple doubles even though they're like feeding them fucking triple doubles. I get it. I understand it because it's like you're trying to sell a product here. But if the Kansas City Chiefs in the Philadelphia Eagles played tonight, I know where my money's going. And I know that you have faith in eagles and I give you credit because I give you shit. I was like I thought Jalen hertz was still there to beat I thought you know what I mean? Like I did definitely was wrong about how good the Eagles actually are. But I still don't know if they're better than chiefs talked me into it.

Rob Kelly: 1:09:13

So my biggest thing is, the Eagles aren't even healthy yet. So you look at this defense and the Eagles right now. They were missing Darius slay last week who might be a top five corner. They just don't have their full team yet. And I just look at this Eagles team man and they haven't had that hiccup. Yeah, so I know. We're like, Yeah, they had the chiefs that one bad week. But they did everything in their power to give the Colts that game. And just based off of what I've seen over four weeks is like we talked about level of competition. I don't think the the to two best wins by the Eagles so far this year are the shellacking of the Vikings on primetime. Sure, right, Angela. Last week's win against the Jaguars which I actually think is more impressive.

Dave Clarke: 1:10:03

I would have been another one of my honorable mentions to be honest with these right so

Rob Kelly: 1:10:07

and another honorable mention is so if I thought about the show here because I was like I gotta convince DK that the Eagles are better than the Chiefs I literally sitting there like how are we gonna do this? If it was the Chargers right if the eagles had played the Chargers this past week, and 129 to 14 right in the factory

Dave Clarke: 1:10:27

fucking list that's crazy.

Rob Kelly: 1:10:28

I don't notice that lesson. If it was right and they want to win nine to 14 Wouldn't you be like well that's a really good when they beat the charges they put the charges

Dave Clarke: 1:10:38

right? Yes. charges should be on this list. I'm just realized Jaguars

Rob Kelly: 1:10:42

beat the charges 38 to seven two weeks Okay, well okay,

Dave Clarke: 1:10:47

I mean mitigating circumstances Herbert basically should have been playing like Yeah,

Rob Kelly: 1:10:50

that's true but but that doesn't prove my point at all. So um, just shouted like mics. Oh no, I just listened I completely understand where you're coming from. I literally had that moment where I was sitting early costume to I have to put the fucking chiefs number one and I was like, I just don't think they've done enough to me to overcome the ego so far because he goes we're already got one and the Eagles didn't do enough to drop it down to two and the Chiefs didn't do enough to jump up that's literally what it came down for me

Dave Clarke: 1:11:23

You see it's not a knock on the Eagles what I'm saying but when you watch that you I know you watch that watch it really is like shimmy and shake it and shovel pass on it

Rob Kelly: 1:11:33

and just fucking head yeah, just

Dave Clarke: 1:11:35

like hitting Travis Kelce at will like these just think there's nothing they can do. There's nothing any team can do to stop that tight end. And we've seen what that what that looks like when you have a tight end that that's that good. You put them in on and it might have been a little bit of a manipulative tactic on my part to start the show with you. It's just saying that he was one of the best four tight ends of all time. We put him on your fucking Mount Rushmore. It's like I defy you to name one evil bastard that would be in my mouth. would suffice to name one eagle that you would that you would name top for all time at their position all time. That's crazy. Not one. And I just think Patrick mahomes might like it might go down as top five all time quarterbacks. And, you know, they it looks like they haven't missed a beat without Tyreke Hill who we can see as clearly tried Edwards Hilaire is like a fun beast. They've got this guy Pacheco, the backup running back who's like, you know, I know. He's probably not putting up great fantasy numbers, but like the runs he makes he's just pumping those legs. They've got such an eye for talent. They've got a proven head coach. They've got hat fucking mahomes man. I just I don't see Jalen hertz selling me any fucking State Farm Insurance yet. You know what I mean? It's just it's the way it's the way I see it. I know they got studs all over the field. And honestly, I give you credit. I really do. I think you were way more right about the Eagles than I was. I looked at it as a from a quarterback only standpoint I thought Sirianni was a completely unproven head coach. I think coming in from being the offensive coordinator for the Annapolis colts doesn't fucking sell me on much to be honest with you, but like, you know, he looks like he looks alright. Looks like it

Rob Kelly: 1:13:07

wasn't their defensive coordinator. Fuck you, Bobby.

Dave Clarke: 1:13:09

All right. On that note, I think we could end it there. No, I mean, I think that I'm excited. I'm honestly we're still weirdly we really haven't seen that the cards land and we haven't seen this this season shake out yet. And I really thought we would by this point, but we haven't. So

Rob Kelly: 1:13:25

I think a lot of it. So last My bad. Yeah, go. Last point. I feel like a lot of it is it seems like there's been a lot of good teams versus good team. So yeah, you know what I mean? It's been a lot of like, you know, ravens bills has been a lot of, you know, unloaded for sure. Right? Box chiefs? You know,

Dave Clarke: 1:13:42

all these teams have been able to get into that rhythm where they say right, off six wins. Yeah.

Rob Kelly: 1:13:46

And I looked at the schedules, right. And you have teams like, Oh, I gotta send Eagles next five games or cake. The Chiefs next five games or cake like you just go down the line. And I think over the next four weeks, we are going to see that separation of like, the really good teams are going to start getting on that roll because they're not. I mean, you look

Dave Clarke: 1:14:06

at we're starting to see who they're going to be. We're starting to for sure. Yeah, I still can't believe I didn't say anything but the charges not been on this fucking list. It's wild. What's wrong with the chargers

Rob Kelly: 1:14:16

that lost the Jacksonville. Last week? They almost I mean, they almost let Texans back in that game. And I it was, it was between the chargers and the Cowboys for that. And I

Dave Clarke: 1:14:28

still, I still think that the best young team. I think they're the best young team and might not be their year this year. But I watch this space by the Chargers.

Rob Kelly: 1:14:36

I think they need a new coach. No

Dave Clarke: 1:14:39

one's been hurt hurt for most of this. Kind of I think I mean, we'll see. You know, I mean, I don't mind that he throws to Mike Williams every single time because I have on my fantasy team but like he needs people to spread the ball a little bit more, I think. I mean, I had him as my MVP candidate this season. It's gonna be fun. Jaylen hurts though. So who knew? Again, Cooper cup. I don't know who he got at this point for MVP.

Rob Kelly: 1:14:59

Jaylen hurt I don't think there's a doubt about I think it's Jaylen. You. What he did to that team wasn't that team rides on him. Jalen hertz is a

Dave Clarke: 1:15:07

super dynamic. He's really fun to watch. He's really, really fun. So that's you when we're talking about in the discord day super fun and fun to watch. Yep. So yeah, we're cool. On that note, I guess the theme from the show is watch the space and we'll revisit some of these things over the next few weeks. But for the real BK Vaughn Kelly myself, thank you for listening to missing the point.