Part 2: Second Annual NFL Prediction Show

Craig D'Alessandro: 0:24

On this episode of missing the point, it's part two of our second annual NFL prediction show. And if you thought Part One was something wait till you hear this, this is missing the point, Episode 83 but it's all relative

Dave Clarke: 0:53

All right, let's move over to the AI cuz I keep thinking of you guys have Nana as the NFC team. You're not the AFC team. So go ahead with your AFC whatever division you want, you know we're gonna have to we don't have to keep following the directions. You can just pick a division.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:06

I think we'll just do AFC south.

Dave Clarke: 1:08

Right? Yeah, whatever. I'll just go fuck myself.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:11

Let me know how it feels. And so the AFC

Dave Clarke: 1:14

when I do it, how can great

Michael Marcangelo: 1:18

yeah, we'll do a watch the best. Bobby I had the accident at 512 because I think that if Shawn was Watson starts all the games. He's like he's worth five wins. But this also gives us 314 do you want put them at lower than that? gdd Do you think that do you think that two and 15 is a viable option? I do. I do.

Rob Kelly: 1:41

That's that's what I was gonna go with it. Because honestly, if Tushar Watson doesn't start a game, if they end up having to go with the team, I think zero and Samsung's right? So I think two is the way to go.

Michael Marcangelo: 1:56

So how about 413? because it covers two and a covers five. Okay. All right, fine. That's fine. jaguars, I had them at six and a lot, which I think is a really good year for them, which also covers for 13 or eight, nine, if they get really good, I think also I think are admired is a shitty human being and he's not that great of a coach. I think he's going to be humbled. But I do think Trevor Lawrence, is that good. And I think he could justify four or five words by himself. So I feel pretty confident that 611 but Bobby, if you have jefford we can debate that. Now.

Rob Kelly: 2:35

I'm okay with sex. I don't know his schedule is etn going out today, but yeah, Lord, or it's a different maker. I'm okay. There's so

Michael Marcangelo: 2:42

alright. Colts, I have them at nine and eight. And I think so like whence he's he's a huge question mark. Right. Does he play the entire season? Does he not he's kind of like Dak like he has his word injury or you know what I mean that but however, I would just say that pairing of Frank Wright and and Carson Wentz has been pretty beneficial for them. So I think nine and eight puts us in a position to cover ourselves for an 11 and six year, but at the bottom falls out. I think the worst that they will be would be seven and 10.

Rob Kelly: 3:16

So weird. Say that, isn't it? Yeah. It sounds weird. Yeah. Yes. I shockingly, completely agree with that assessment.

Joe Malkin: 3:26

Well, that okay. 9:54pm on August 24 2021. polity agrees with Mike write it down.

Michael Marcangelo: 3:34

We have the division winners of the AFC south, they're coming in as the Tennessee Titans. I think with the addition of Julio Jones obviously with Derrick Henry Ryan tannehill is playing out of his mind since going to Tennessee. I think that is a huge. That's a real that's a really good Tina defense is pretty suspect. But I feel pretty confident having them at 11. Six, that's what I had them at Bobby, that gives us 13 and four. If they do finish that way, what did you think? Yeah.

Rob Kelly: 4:05

I almost want to go up one. I had them at 12 and five, just for the fact that I do think it's possible. This team just is a wagon this year because of how good they were last year, they added Julio who is better than Chris Davis. Yeah, they lost your new but who knows a whole different element to that offense than if Julio is healthy. And you have Julio, AJ Brown. And Derrick Henry, like there is literally nothing you can do.

Michael Marcangelo: 4:32

My question would be Do you think that they're gonna win more than 14 games?

Rob Kelly: 4:36

I think they could win 14 games. But they're not but they're not gonna win less than 10. That's, that's where I'm at. They're not gonna win lesson

Michael Marcangelo: 4:44

two. All right. All right. So so 12 and five, while it was last

Rob Kelly: 4:47

1205 is where I want to go

Michael Marcangelo: 4:49

perfectly. We'll settle there.

Dave Clarke: 4:51

Well, I mean, I guess this is a question want to ask and I'll use it as a transition and kick it over to the NFC team. To Shaun Watson. Obviously, we followed that entire, very unpleasant series throughout the entirety of last season, he obviously didn't want to be a Texan anymore. has what we would consider all the leverage in the world up until what's looking like some pretty serious criminal charges coming his way that will probably eliminate any if not all of the leverage that he has in negotiating, um, you know, there's been rumors of him still getting traded to Miami. It's going to be a pretty crazy deal at this point, you know, if you thought the Texans were going to lose out on his value before, they're definitely going to do it now. But then you ask yourself, like, Did you want him to stay on the team? Because like these charges, like during grand jury mode right now, they're probably going to become criminal charges and there's a chance. I'm not saying it's a good chance, but there's a chance he never takes another stab snap in the NFL. What's the worth right now? Who would be my first question? And secondly, who we know the fans in Houston have lost so we don't have to do winners or losers with them where whatever happens, they lose? What Who? How do the Texans as an organization intelligently recover from everything that's happened with deshaun? Watson? Ray, I'll start with you.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 6:05

I mean, they have to dress for right like people are not flocking to come to Houston for football, right? Like obviously, you got more good and may come to the rockers organization in basketball. But yeah, people are not flocking to nikka stereo, wherever they're like they have to really dress well. And I'm not sure that they have that. There's a David Kelly, I think, what's his name? Mike. He's our He's like, 66 years old way, bro. He's not the future like, he's probably not gonna make it past the seas.

Dave Clarke: 6:29

So they have to start over is what you're saying? Yeah, exactly. So

Rayshawn Buchanan: 6:32

it's just like, keep keep Yeah, keep rebuilding keep drafting. Well, and just to add to I know, you said Miami was in the I think Philadelphia is also no option offered to Sean Washington as well. That was kind of odd. So what do you get for jazz? What do you get? I mean, I mean, I'm assuming it would have been Jalen hertz to do. I don't think Philip is going to do that. I think they'd be dumb to do that. But Jaylen Harris would have to do to deal with from from Houston. Like I'm not giving you a shot Watson even at a lesser value, if I'm not getting Jalen hertz back in the deal. Um, so I think that to me, would have to be Vol. That would have to be the start for me. But yeah, I mean, I'll respond to them talking about their record. Obviously, I agree with Mike about the mere five. Oh, I was just like, forget to join for tm just like it was shot washes on the field. There's no way. You know, I don't know I'm saying that's why I wasn't laughing at the I was laughing. I'm like, there's no way like if he's on the field, like, like you say he's at least going to get you five or six, at least because he's that good. So well. Yeah. I mean, who knows? Maybe he doesn't play but I just But to answer your question. When are going? Going wait left, they just said they have to dress well, in order for them to be successful. And they saw that happened in New England, obviously, because we had the best quarterback of all time, but you did have a top five quarterback or you do but you may not have it after the Chargers, you know, fall completely. So yeah, just keep going into the job, man and just see what happens. Hopefully you get

Dave Clarke: 7:53

it's one of those situations where there's like 87 charges, you know, and like some of the someone's done like really something wrong. They're like, 1800 counts up and you're like, Oh, fuck,

Rayshawn Buchanan: 8:01

that's a lot of quiet. Right? Well, that

Rob Kelly: 8:03

is that never goes well, I'm going to new pressure that he's not coming back on Kylie away in this season. I'll tell you, someone tells me differently. They're like, my prospect is I don't even know. Who is the starting quarterback. tyrod Taylor

Joe Malkin: 8:18

Taylor. So he just backed himself into another starting drill. Yeah, right.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 8:23

But it also does, and I hope I'm not stealing your standard swap. I am. You can cut this out magazine. I've got plenty to go around. But gotcha. Okay. Is it weird, though, that we've gotten to, you know, to August, and he's not on the exempt list?

Joe Malkin: 8:38

I don't think it's weird. And here's why. I came out this week that two of the allegations were now being investigated by the FBI. I think that is what's going to now Spark. I mean, I can't I can't tell you for sure. But I would imagine that he's on the phone with the league office at least once a week if he's picking up their calls, because apparently he wasn't picking up Nick Caserio his calls, but apparently, Nick Caserio wasn't picking up anybody's calls. So I, I think, Dave that the Houston Texans are an absolute shit show. And that owner down there who is piece of work himself, needs to sell that team and be invested or at least be investigated by the NFL. I think they need to do to him what they did to the who was the old clippers Sterling? Yeah, yeah, I think they need to do the same thing to make now I honestly think they need to do that to a lot of these old white guys that own these professional sports teams. Because there's a lot of a lot in Robert Kraft probably included. So in john Henry, if we can get him out. That'd be great. But point back to Houston de vida with you. I don't think deshaun Watson plays in snap this year. I think tyrod Taylor is the starting quarterback for the Houston Texans in Ligue one. Ray, I think he goes on the exempt list soon. He's already listed as the third or fourth quarterback on the dump truck migrate. Is that isn't that what you had mentioned?

Dave Clarke: 10:06

Yes. So So I mean, on that note, apparently that like some top 100 rankings came out and he made like 18 I can't remember if it was ESPN or nfl.com or something. Maybe Monday when I felt like home it makes more sense of the story. He came in like a team like top 100 deshaun Watson and apparently the NFL like to take that shit out.

Joe Malkin: 10:26

So like, I know, they're not wrong. He is a very good football player, apparently not a very good human being. And Mike and I had this discussion back when all of this came out and it was, you know, let's see what comes out because there was the conversation that this could be a plant by McNair to get them clicking that ship a salesman or

Dave Clarke: 10:47

or an end fraud at

Joe Malkin: 10:48

this. Yeah, no. And that's what I mean is I'm just just going through the thought process and where we were when those first came out. And you know, I've already made my cap one heart attack tonight. I think I made them have to with the Tom Brady comments as well. But the third one is just that Mike was completely right about the situation. He hit the nail on the head. deshaun Watson, I'll throw it out there. No, he doesn't play a snap in 2021 tyrod Taylor's starting quarterback, I think Houston needs to rebuild from the bottom up. The only good thing about that organization is apparently in the stadium right now. I think David kollias re said he's not the long term answer. They're just trying to bandaid everything until they can figure out what the hell's going on. I think you guys have them too high. I really do. I just think that team is so bad. I think they win three games

Dave Clarke: 11:35

that they could potentially win zero games

Joe Malkin: 11:36

they feel like they could in and I also

Dave Clarke: 11:38

got if not if not, does Shawn take snaps like Ray said if he gets you know he's he guarantees you ducks if he does play but anyway, I wanted to ask you guys about the Jags but we've gone on too long in this division. I will say that the Houston Texans being bad. I always think about what Bobby kept saying last season, which is like two or three seasons ago now. They were like up against the Chiefs by how many like three touchdowns. I don't remember the spurlin and then they went from that, you know, they went from that to like the comeback win for the Chiefs to where are we now? Where are we now they're, they're really really bad. Okay, moving back over to the AFC team. What division Do you guys want to talk about neck? Well,

Joe Malkin: 12:13

we'll go with the NFC NFC. So we'll do that. We'll go with the NFC. Yay. Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah. I'm deciding how I want to approach this. Do we just want to tell them where we started the where we end the bears finishing right up

Rayshawn Buchanan: 12:25

top top. You're going from bottom to top like we did before? We're gonna make them wait for it.

Joe Malkin: 12:29

Alright, we're gonna wait for we're gonna go from the bottom to the top. Dan Campbell's Detroit Lions are going to be bad. A ray. I'm changing what I had in there. I think they finished four and 13. I'm okay with

Rayshawn Buchanan: 12:40

that because that that will be good. Jared Goff is a joke.

Joe Malkin: 12:43

Yeah, I definitely think Jared Goff is a joke, and I don't I don't want to say a joke. He did pretty well in LA and I think you did find with McVeigh. But I think that's McBean knows because McVeigh knows how to coach an NFL team. I think Dan Campbell is a motivator. I think he's a guy that's gonna make guys run through walls, unfortunately. Yeah, and by FICO swans, yeah, exactly. So you got it right exactly. And bite kneecaps and claw and scratch. I mean, he's gonna say all the right things. They're gonna be weird things. But I four and 13 for the Detroit Lions.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 13:17

Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, they're good. They're gonna be bad. Next, you know, the Minnesota Vikings just got them going into nine Listen, they're gonna be mediocre at me. I know they sign up to send I forget someone else they assigned me offseason. But obviously, you know, it all went downhill after at the train. stefon Diggs last year, you know, Kirk Cousins and his brother. Yeah. And his brother said his brothers, right. He had a pretty good plague as DK mecha flesh. I remember that. But But I was actually watching the highlight earlier. But yeah, so I'm gonna I'm in Minnesota in the middle of the pack type of team, you know, most again, they're a couple years ago, then NFC Championship game, you know, get blown out by Philadelphia and then say you don't hear from them. You know, really since then. So yeah, I mean, I just don't think they're gonna be that good. And I said, Kurt alongside our cousins is their quarterback they're not going to really do well. So anything you want to add to that, Joe?

Joe Malkin: 14:11

Yeah, I think Kirk Cousins is I mean, Kirk Cousins. Mike Zimmer, the head coach, Mike Zimmer. I think I don't think it'd be okay. That's why we have them have eaten nine. I think seven and 10 is more realistic. But I think gig nine just in case something funky happens in this division, which could depending on what happens with Aaron Rodgers, what's the deal in Chicago? Is it fields and Dave I understand but let me finish the sentence. Is it freezing? I can tell it would come gave someone I'm gonna say I could hear your voice. Is it actually now I can hear Mike's? Is it fields that use a Dalton? No. There's a lot of things that could go on twice. The Vikings drafted Kellen Mond and third round which was a guy that that Ray and I had coming to New England, or at least wanted Kellen Mond possibly coming here, you know, I mean, they're not a they're not a bad team. They're really not a dalvin cook can stay healthy. You have a mirrored doula to back him up there. They have Justin Jefferson, who is arguably a top three receiver in the NFL. So they have the pieces should be good. But but that said the team right above them I think can take them to the cleaners in both matchups between these two teams as long as number one is starting and not number 14 and that's the Chicago Bears who we have finishing attendance seven I think. Matt naggy has a new lease on life with what they did in the draft this year. Your GM there. Dave did a very nice job in the drumline. They've done all the right things and said all the right things coming into the season. And if nothing else, Justin fields has two quarterbacks who are seasoned veterans behind him if he is the starter, who are making pretty good money to be there to groom him because we can say that Andy Dalton and Nick foles have had bad careers. They've had good careers, but you know Andy Dalton, though he didn't make the playoffs much in his career. He did. He did play well in Cincinnati. So I think 10 and seven is good for Chicago. I think that defense is the most fearsome part of that team. As long as they don't as long as Ryan pace doesn't take any calls for khaleel Mac which apparently he got this week. Which I want to know what that trade package was that he said no to but 10 seven was a good sponsor though.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 16:47

Yeah, the first thing I want to say before I get into anything is his three words protect that man there's no way in a preseason or even in Britain says a game that just officially took the hit that he took on that but that wasn't that was a dirty it was a dirty get to my bales dirty.

Dave Clarke: 17:03

Yeah, well, it was dirty. I mean, it was too little too hard for a full preseason tackle let's be honest here you know like that's a

Rayshawn Buchanan: 17:10

shame at the team though he shot me

Dave Clarke: 17:12

Jesus Christ if you're trying to get the team you know like that's that's getting called I feel like in a regular season game so like about discipline goes a little

Rayshawn Buchanan: 17:18

bit for sure. But either way protect that man now but I started I was like wow, like we're getting smacked and you let your quarterback just gauge just annihilate like that that was that was asked weightless. Yeah, and listen defenses are gonna keep them in the game, obviously. And in addition, by subtraction, right, you add just the fields on you get rid of Mitchell trubisky you know, like that that alone should be a difference. And so I saw some great passes fulfilled and a couple of games so far and say I'm excited to see what he does Listen, man, like, and Chicago already made that mistake where they put that tweet of any dollar saying should be one. Listen, we got ahead of ourselves. Number one, QB one is number one, you know, from the Ohio State University, from Atlanta, Georgia, just the fields. That's the chi let let him take a look at race from day one. I guess what you have nothing to lose. I just I had to be the guy playing really heavy guy Chicago, and we come to do monsters and midway like that. That's what has to happen there. Um, so I said Boston, Chicago, Chicago, chapter seven. I said get gets you into playoffs. We believe I said we'll talk about that at the end. But last but not least, we have him and first and I said this last year. I know, I know. They know how to go back and forth about this. But I'll say this a you know he's unhappy. As long as number 12 is in that division. It is his to lose point way period unhappy and not the man balls, like he's shows up. So we got them going 11 to six. Now, obviously, I know they, you know, they didn't make any splashes. And you know, they brought it back. You know, his former Running Man and Randall Cobb or whatever. But he was really solid with the way he did. He did nothing in Dallas or in Houston. But I mean, listen, if he's motivated to show another team, meaning I Rogers, where he still has left and still wants to plan on two or three years, then he's going to do what do we what he's always done that division, and that's dominant. So you know, their defense has to get, you know, has to play well, whatever. But I mean, the team has been to back NFC Championship games. So I mean, they're doing something right over there on the metal floor. But you know, they got to get over the hump. So but I said we got a window division at 11. Six.

Joe Malkin: 19:21

Yeah. Aaron Rodgers had a career year last year, maybe we should have given this division back to like, so he can say that they'd finished last again. And Aaron Rodgers would flame out. Because he, because we could probably we could possibly do the exact opposite to him this year by having them finished first in this division, but I think you're right, right. As long as Rogers is in this division, I hope he's okay. I I

Unknown: 19:46

I think he,

Joe Malkin: 19:49

for lack of better term dragged Eric out organization, specifically Brian guten, Coombs, the, the general manager through the mud this offseason, with his, with his words, and that's that to me is the X Factor is what what can a GM do in the offseason for this organization because matla Flor has done very well with what he has Aaron Rodgers has done very well with what's been given to him. I mean, he's again, he's not Tom Brady, right, Mike? We've talked about that, but he's got a good team around him. Randall Cobb is a shell of himself when he still has davante Adams I mean, honestly, his wide receiving corps besides davante Adams and Marquez, Valdes scantling it's gonna be tough on tight ends Robert tonyan He's good. So I mean he's got three viable targets a wide and then of course Aaron Jones in the backfield. So, I think the offense is good enough. I think the defense is good enough, but

Rayshawn Buchanan: 20:49

we forgot one guy though. Who's a guy from Boston College AJ Dell AJ Dillon that he i think is gonna be awesome. This size is a tie, mister. Don't that talk about Thunder?

Joe Malkin: 21:01

I met two years ago. I'll tell you what, he's not very tall but the legs are ever Yeah, yeah, they also have equanimeous as a wide receiver, so that's cool. Yeah, that's the only reason I wanted to say it so yeah, that runs out the NFC North

Dave Clarke: 21:18

Yeah, I mean all off pretty fair. I disagree with everything vehemently No. Bears are going 17 and I don't know if Mike's gonna say it this year because he got so burned last year which like it actually you know, a lot of what he said I'll be controversial did sort of turn out to be true during that that show so give Mike a little credit there. I'll say it everybody's gonna fuckin flame out this year. Fuck the Green Bay Packers if he if he doesn't have when he runs out of shit to blame for only having one Super Bowl but having the talent to have four. You're gonna see what you're about to see which is this upcoming season? I mean, you know, he pitches until he gets Mike McCarthy fired he gets Mike McCarthy fired. And then he goes I don't have enough control here. I I should be I should have more input and like what's going on, say Guney over the fucking one. Then he gets punked right in the offseason by being like, yo, no, eventually he's like no, no, I'm totally gonna stick around whatever it's like Yeah, dude, like you're always gonna fucking stick around you have like zero fucking leverage. They're not going to be good this year. They've got some talented players but I just don't I don't think any of them if they are even if they are good in the regular season know what's gonna happen. He's gonna fuck up with a plan like he always does all like unless he has Jay Cutler to like purposefully throw to the other team Curtis fucking leg and cry on the sidelines. He's not making it to a Super Bowl like he needs help from other teams to make it to a Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers can absolutely suck a dick they're not going to be good they

Rob Kelly: 22:45

just it seems it seems really specific and thanks that hurts.

Unknown: 22:50

Yeah

Dave Clarke: 22:54

That hurts hurts a lot. Actually. I remember that. I remember that night. I got blackout on vaako screaming fares defensive the commercials in between when Jay Cutler got on that plane and like Louis clearly like looked done I like blacked out put a hole in our wall is kind of okay a smoke it up on the cigarette Houston and went to sleep thanks for saying what you said about Justin fields. I said it right when we drafted him should be QB one. Absolutely should be QB one. I agree and I'll use this as an opportunity to kick it over to the reactions of the other team yes of course Justin fields can be QB one like the only thing I really vehemently disagreed with that you guys were saying was that Andy Dalton had any semblance of a good career because he absolutely did not he sucks absolute nut sacks what like it was like listen I mean like when you're the QB the Cincinnati Bengals and Randy Dalton you're none of my fucking business okay you can be mediocre in the city of Cincinnati all you want commonness Chicago and this absolute PR fucking nightmare that they put themselves they might be like oh wait till the end was our QB one because that fucking visor wearing pussy we'll just call Justin fields the number one quarterback in Chicago like everybody knows he is and like you said we're gonna be so forgiving of him like Justin fields can do no wrong this season like there's nothing he can do that bears fans won't argue with for like well I'll go to bat for him on anything and in any kind of performance. So my question to you Mike, let's say cuz you're about to say something is how many games do the bears lose with Andy Dalton before Justin field starts

Michael Marcangelo: 24:19

well, so a couple of things number one just to do a call back to the show that you and I lasted I think you had any Dalton's starting forget losing all four wasn't happy about it. Yeah. Right and but then but then just until it goes 11 to two so they they they fail they fail you know that they fit they finish on 11 six All right, not for nothing. No Dave like I get it. Dalton's not the greatest at Dalton, has more playoff appearances in his career in Cincinnati than near Chicago Bears do in this decade. Eric earned this millennium. Right so he can get you there but like maybe you don't want him to start I get it though. But Justin fields was

Dave Clarke: 25:01

making the argument that any dogs is a good quarterback

Michael Marcangelo: 25:03

because it just hurts me. It hurts me that Justin fields is there. Justin field should be the guy if he starts 17 games. The Bears should not win less than 12

Dave Clarke: 25:14

that's how we also have like the hardest trying to schedule of any team

Rob Kelly: 25:17

doesn't matter. That's I mean, it's Can I remind you guys that so last year Dak Dak snapped his ankle and If right I'm like, okay, I you know what? Andy Dalton? You know, he's not that bad. But, bro, those three games with Andy Dalton were some of the toughest fucking football I've ever watched in my life. He had CD lamb, Michael Gallup, and fucking Amari Cooper and Zeke and he couldn't do shit with that but

Michael Marcangelo: 25:43

I hear what you're saying but again for callback purposes your quote and I do quote you they were on their way to two and four negates whatever you're about to say.

Rob Kelly: 25:54

He shifted. It was three and four to get it right. It was three and four. And I've Oh, wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. I'm just I'm agreeing with Andy Dalton is not as a not a number one quarterback. He will never be a number one quarterback again. He may have been in Cincinnati, but he is not that anymore. I'm telling you if he couldn't win with city lamb, Amari Cooper, Michael gout, then he's not gonna win with Alan Robinson Darnell Mooney and Anthony Miller

Dave Clarke: 26:30

not to hate on why do you think they're wider Stevie's he hadn't see in Cincinnati For God's sake.

Rob Kelly: 26:34

Right? That's but like, I'm just saying like, it's such a different contrast. Now Justin field has to be this number one. He has to do at least the first game he's not going to eat and don't look terrible on preseason.

Joe Malkin: 26:47

There's no way you can look at that Dallas team last year Bobby and honestly think that whether it was there was really three quarterbacks in the league that couldn't saved that team from what was going on, and one of them had a snapped ankle and was already on your team. The other one was in Tampa. And the other one was, it was probably in Seattle. So the point my point is that the issues in Dallas last year were a lot more deep seated than Andy Dalton. And you and I both know that because they couldn't one they couldn't hold on to the football and that wasn't an Andy Dalton problem that was a Dak Prescott and Zeke Elliott problem

Rob Kelly: 27:23

given Andy Dalton was bad like and you're not you're not wrong, you're not wrong when you watch a quarterback, you know a bad quarterback and I'm telling you when you when that man dropped back in the pocket, he had a clean pocket and I have never been less confident in a clean pocket quarterback in my entire life. I was like

Dave Clarke: 27:42

the high test he fails the test harder than anybody and like you can make arguments about his record in certain places. His he's spent his whole career with such a luxurious receiving corps dude and like he couldn't do dick with it. Like except for like Mike said get to the playoffs and then flame out. And like, you know, at the end of the day, it's just like it's a no brainer, it's an absolute no brainer to start Justin fields, which is exactly why they're not going to Okay, we have to move on as much as I can talk as

Joe Malkin: 28:08

much as I could talk about this all night when they when they signed when they signed Andy Dalton and said Jimmy one because I remember the day that that happened. I remember texting you about it. I remember your reaction to it. And they basically called him QB one. At that point, do you think that they knew they were going to do what they did in the draft and get justice? No,

Dave Clarke: 28:27

of course not. Oh, definitely not. There's no way I mean, does anyone disagree with me? Like they don't they obviously didn't. I just wanted to hear you say yeah, and they obviously saw an opportunity like the way the draft worked out. They saw an opportunity to get credit to pace for doing the same thing they did with Rybicki but doing it right this time, not trading as much away and like getting more value for it clearly. I also don't know if the anticipated how excited bears fans are gonna be about Justin fields. And I also don't know how much they anticipated how good he was going to look in preseason and how much better he was going to look in preseason. So now, I mean, if you're Matt naggy like Dude, just take the easy wins, bro like Chesterfield Don't be too clever for your own good but that's what he always does. He's always trying to be too clever for his own good I believe in that you're gonna hear him say it. I believe in it. I believe in any leader this offense. So you're gonna you're gonna hear all these fucking platitudes that Matt naggy likes to say. It's incredibly frustrating. Somebody find him the rest of his hat. We're out of time. We got to move on back to the we kind of move on over back to the EFC team. Do your last division.

Michael Marcangelo: 29:28

AFC North I just want to I just want to say this at the beginning. Like I've never met you. But I do love you, Leah. I'm sorry for you're about to hear. Okay, excels. Worst the best. I have the bagels at 611 I just took it they can. They cannot protect jover they did. They just can't do and you know, based on Instagram story that went viral today. I don't know the jamara Chase is gonna start. There was good too. So like, if for those you that don't know, his girlfriend who is pregnant, posted on her Instagram story that you know you're kind of a pussy for putting your hands on a pregnant woman. So if that's true, they'll investigate. And I'm sure if he won't start all games, NFL they don't really care about how mentri limit so probably missing four games. But again, I'll say six or 11 that gives us eight nine by the way. For an en 13 Are we okay with that?

Rob Kelly: 30:27

Yeah, add a five but I'm okay with sex because it's right to say it's fine. Yeah, it's cool.

Michael Marcangelo: 30:32

Next. I believe that the last four games of the season that you saw last year were the real Pittsburgh Steelers, not the 11. No, it was, it was the one in three. That being said, I have the Pittsburgh Steelers finishing at seven and 10. This year, because I think Big Ben is a fraud. I think he's at the end of his career. I don't think he can avoid a pass rush. I he can't buy any more time. And for that, that in and of itself, I have them a seven to 10. Bobby, do you disagree? I get that. That's nine, eight, or it's five and 12.

Rob Kelly: 31:05

Yeah, so surprisingly, I actually had them better than seven. I had them at night or Nate shortly for nyjah. Harris. I think when you have Pittsburgh with a actual running back who can come in and handle the workload? Unlike James Connor. It's a whole different team. That being said, everything you just said about Big Bad is 100% correct. So let's go eight. Let's go 898989.

Michael Marcangelo: 31:34

All right. It's our backs. So I finishing second in the division.

Dave Clarke: 31:39

We can ask you some real quick about the Steelers. Yeah, it's can you apply the same logic you apply to the Patriots as you can in the Steelers? Like they have so many weapons on offense? That is it a quarterback? I mean, I don't agree with it. Because I agree, actually, but big Ben's done. Again, he's gonna fall for even bigger Cliff this year. Well, couldn't you apply that same law? Where it's like they have all these weapons? Can they make it work?

Michael Marcangelo: 32:00

Yeah. So where's the quarterback position

Dave Clarke: 32:04

just too important?

Michael Marcangelo: 32:05

I think. I love the head coaching position in New England is far higher league is far away better head coach in Pittsburgh, and I also think that that they are stronger on both sides of the ball. I think that Pittsburgh has relied too heavily on Big Ben, and RJ Harrison is great. But my concern is is that if they give him what say, really probably 150 carries in this knowledge to keep the feature edge. Surely he's a 250 He's 250 that they could wear him out if they be if he and I on a one to that one dimensional offense. Ben Roethlisberger is fucked. And that entire offense is fucked because he's not good enough anymore to pull them away from that.

Dave Clarke: 32:47

Yeah, I agree. I mean, they're getting a lot of players back on defense, though. You know, that were that were out last year, but we'll see. We'll see. I mean, it might be Swiss cheese, or Hey, hey,

Rob Kelly: 32:55

you're a good boyfriend. dk, you're good boyfriend, right?

Michael Marcangelo: 32:58

I mean, I'm not sure how much I want to say beyond say

Rob Kelly: 33:02

fiance fiance.

Dave Clarke: 33:05

I was I'm a better fiance than I was waiting. I

Michael Marcangelo: 33:06

also think that they had the third easiest schedule this year. They had the sixth hardest lap The 30s is last year in the sixth this year so well that

Dave Clarke: 33:15

that will actually put to the test that argument we're having last year was it straight to scheduler women and I think your premier you're probably right. I mean, I don't know how hard I can die on this hill again this season. But I do agree that Big Ben is like every season he seems to get like marginally worse. But anyway, sorry, I interrupted you last team

Michael Marcangelo: 33:31

winner that winner of the stood Oh, no, no, no. The second the last team is the Ravens. I have them in the London six. Bobby, do you disagree? That puts in it either 13 and four or nine and seven.

Rob Kelly: 33:41

I actually had to I had them exactly. Sex as well. I love Lamar this year. I think all those things that you saw last year, ever. I was questioning him on all those. I think he's gonna fix that this year. I really like Sammy Watkins in Baltimore. I think he's the best wide receiver option he's had consistently. He's gonna have Hollywood Brown, and why should it be out now. But he's gonna have walked into Holly Brown. She's got more options. And she I like Baltimore this year.

Michael Marcangelo: 34:07

So the reason that we have them at 11. Six is I think, just collectively we don't believe that the receiving corps will stay healthy enough to the course of the year for them to win more than 11 games. But I think what we have is perfect. We have I have the Browns are 12 in size I

Rob Kelly: 34:24

I need the robot. So I have them.

Michael Marcangelo: 34:27

You are putting your own teammate.

Rob Kelly: 34:29

I have them much. I know. I have them much better than 12 and five, and I'll tell you why. I was looking through their schedule, man. I think so I'm not saying this means they're overrated. But I think that they're the stewards of this year.

Michael Marcangelo: 34:42

I think the Browns are the last undefeated team in the league. And I think the Browns last until they're five just to be clear. If you think that the Steelers of this year the Steelers were 11 to know the finish 12 before so that would be right on with us.

Rob Kelly: 34:54

Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, the last one defeated t I did have to take them. But I think for the last one defeated team this year, and I think they get the 14.

Michael Marcangelo: 35:02

So you're waiting

Rob Kelly: 35:04

so so let's hedge let's hedge like you said 12 Let's go 30 because I really do think that they get two weeks. I think they're gonna be undefeated for a long time. I think Cleveland's gonna be that team that everyone's gonna be looking at come week. 12 like, Oh my god, the Cleveland Browns really gonna go on? No, they're not.

Michael Marcangelo: 35:21

I think they're gonna I think they're gonna lose week one. But I think that there's a chance that they are 12 and 513 and four, so we'll we'll do 13 or 14 just because we are amicable on the side. Yeah, I

Dave Clarke: 35:33

mean seriously you guys have always said that if you guys if your friendship ever broken up you'd be like it'd be a sad as Chris Jericho and Kevin Owens breaking up, but if it did, it would be it would go the way that Chris Owens, Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho did where Mike which is in a beating Bobby to death but alright, why are the Browns so good? Why are they good?

Rob Kelly: 35:56

I don't even know if they're so good. I just wasn't past the Chiefs in week one. There's nothing on that schedule. Let's go there. And if they get past that week, one game and

Michael Marcangelo: 36:05

you cheese.

Rob Kelly: 36:07

I do think that there's a chance that 100% listeners week one is one listen to the Jaguars beat the Colts week one for their only winner of the season last year was Patrick mahomes their quarterback.

Joe Malkin: 36:20

No, but as week one Gardner Minshew was

Rob Kelly: 36:23

gonna listen if they can get by that week one game man. They had the Chiefs in that NFC Championship Game graduate. They didn't win,

Michael Marcangelo: 36:32

but they had just for the third annual portion of the show for next year. Just remember that I said that.

Rob Kelly: 36:39

Listen, you said the Detroit Lions were gonna win the division last year right? That's less black division

Joe Malkin: 36:45

was he fight? he screwed up that division.

Michael Marcangelo: 36:47

I did call that the Browns will lose week one you said they're gonna be the last undefeated team in the league. Just remember that.

Joe Malkin: 36:53

I will play Monday night because they still could be. So I was gonna say while I was going through the first three teams. I completely agree. I still completely agree with Mike. Bobby threw a few things in there that I just have to put an asterisk next to and say all right, I can't fully agree with the craziness of the Cleveland Browns but I I have nothing to read but I think you guys nailed the AFC North.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 37:20

Well, I mean, I do obviously I'm flipping Baltimore included where like I'm not I'm listening. I know Cleveland will get towards end of the year and they end up being off is we're going to play out that was a great game. It was awesome to see that you know still Dave's lying down on the hill. I'm dying a little Lamar Jackson Hill sorry. Like I'm riding with that guy. Until the wheels fall off like Anthony is fine need to can you hear me? But uh i'm not a quarterback. quarterback. Yeah, that's fine either way. Lamar Jackson. I'm dying on that hill. I think he gets better maybe Mark Andrews have a really good connection. Palmer brown needs to get better. Almost a semi Walker says there you know, JK JK damas is to me is a really good young running back. So they have pieces down balsa wood that should have been competing. And to me, I think that have Lamar them on and healthy. They should ease they should definitely wins the vision for sure.

Michael Marcangelo: 38:11

Let me just ask you a question. Right before you go, Joe. Sorry. What did you see out of Lamar Jackson in that playoff game against buffalo that leads you to believe that he can be an elite quarterback in the NFL? So I didn't see anything?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:23

No, I mean, I forgot that we weren't allowed to have bad games that Dustin said he had a bad game. Great,

Michael Marcangelo: 38:29

isn't he? He's always had bad games. What

Joe Malkin: 38:32

when it counts on talking about the playoffs? Like we're talking about the regular season?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:38

Yeah. Does that mean it will always continue? Is that was that what you say? Are you predicting that's always going to happen? Cuz I'm not. That's something you're saying that based on what you've seen? There's no reason to think that but I'm thinking well, okay. He saw him from year to year and he can't get better. Now. Obviously, last year, he didn't take a step back.

Michael Marcangelo: 38:53

So what has he shown that?

Rayshawn Buchanan: 38:56

What do you mean? The demand demands? What are you saying he's already won MVP? Like he complains League, you have a

Michael Marcangelo: 39:02

spot? You'd like to say that your theory has shown that he can get better. But last year, you took a step back? No, I

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:07

know, I say I messed up in that part. But I'm saying that man's already won MVP. So to say that he cannot give back to that level would be better to me is insane. Just because of what we saw last year, last year was unlikely that we've ever seen across the league that that's all I'm saying. So to think that he can't get back to the MVP level you believe he's Pete's? I don't that's just where we that's where we disagree on that's fine. But I think that he could still play an elite level and the NFC and AFC North and the Russell D is gonna find out but I already firmly believe it by him is that he could play it he could play at a very high level.

Michael Marcangelo: 39:36

I just think he's a poor. He uses a poor man's michael vick

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:40

guide. I mean, he's actually better than that already. But I gotta stop it. He's everybody.

Michael Marcangelo: 39:46

Stop it. Well, maybe

Joe Malkin: 39:48

if we check out the dogfighting part, we would have known

Rayshawn Buchanan: 39:51

it without somebody that's

Unknown: 39:53

on the field on the field now All

Joe Malkin: 39:54

right, but had he not done that he probably would have been on the field a lot longer at a higher level. I did agree with Ray that the Browns are going to be overtaken by the Ravens but because he's my teammate, I will defend him and say that he can absolutely get back to that great lineup so far, because because you're because you are using a similar argument for the 2020 season for Cam Newton as ray is using for Lamar Jackson. Boom.

Dave Clarke: 40:21

Well, that was boom but I will say Yeah, we started we had a little we had a little we had a little meeting before the show tonight You know, it's been a year since we started the show just want to do a check in. And I was saying you know, guys, we really went at each other kinda hard like you're watching the NFL and I got pretty heated from time to time. Let me take the lessons that we learned from our fun basketball discourse over the course the NBA season to really come into this football year and just really true. kindness and respect. And boy, I forget it's football talk and football talk I guess with missing the point is this is just how it's going to be. So I hope we're all still together by the end of the season. Best of luck. Best of luck.

Rob Kelly: 41:02

That's my bad. I started with the callin talk

Joe Malkin: 41:05

and we do have each other what I love rang Bobby Bobby and I love Ray Ray loves Bobby. We all love Craig and Mike's just loves Noah fourthwall love you love I mean again

Dave Clarke: 41:18

I the last two days that you know Mike and Bobby I don't want them to break up but I really don't want rain in Mike to break up that'd be like Edge and Christian. Especially since they look like those demos so much. I watched a lot of wrestling over the weekend. I'm trying to be with it.

Rob Kelly: 41:36

Yeah, well you had that order in the back pocket. Did you I did. I did I had

Dave Clarke: 41:40

that one I had in the back pocket. The other one was a little bit more off the cuff. So I'm just putting it out there. We're all friends don't worry listeners at home. We're all going to be okay. Hopefully I won't die in the Pittsburgh Steelers Hill but I can actually feel it for building up inside me already. All right, let's move back over to the wait, which one do we just do just today of C so let's move back over the NFC team and then this should be your last Division I think so tell me tell me what's going on. We'll

Rayshawn Buchanan: 42:03

just keep it the same theme going from bottom to top so so I'm actually going to flip this job you have to some push back then push back but I'm actually going to flip Arizona and the Rams I think the Rams are finished third and Arizona finishes last maybe from just from a tiebreaker standpoint. Um, I think I'm the only one I mean Mike for part of the season last year was a masterpiece of work because he had Detroit winning so you know certain amount of games but I am a match staffer guy I thought Matt Stafford I want him to come to New England but I think I made that note in our chat. I've set it on a line to people like I'm a matt Stafford My apologies I think he's a pretty good QB obviously you know he didn't do much atunci North I just think he could play so I had that flip flop so I got you know Arizona finishes last and then la would be you know, will be a third job to get the last two teams.

Joe Malkin: 42:50

I love this division for that reason because Matt Stafford is a better I don't say athlete better quarterback and a better football mind and right off of Jared Goff could do with that with that team what she did. Matt Stafford will be better so I'm fine going with the Rams. Third and Arizona in fourth. I do think Arizona. I like Kliff Kingsbury. I think we all kind of draw on him when he was like, Oh, you can bring your cell phones in the meetings. Let's call mom like we're the cool hip team. I'm the cool dad. That and that's kind of what he came in. And that's fine. It's great. But I think this division is going to be competitive this year. And I think, Ray, we can agree we'll flip the records. I think Arizona goes eight, nine. And I think the Rams are nine and he This is the tightest division we have. Because at the top in Second, we then have San Francisco at 10 and seven, because if they can win with Jimmy Garoppolo they'll win which freelance? I think that team is good. I don't think they're as good as the team above them. But I think they'll be fine. Kyle Shanahan is a good coach. He's a good NFL coach. I don't think Jed York and the owner and john Lynch the GM, do as much as they could out there. But I think they're getting and I think that's a start. I think the Jimmy Garoppolo saga is not over. But I don't think it matters anymore. Once that week, one game kicks off, it doesn't matter. And if whoever's under Center is one it's going to be and Jimmy Garoppolo may be the next Andy version of Andy Dalton in the NFL and he just bounces around or Nick foles or whatever. I mean, if you can't stay healthy, he's Carson wins. And then winning the division and 12 and five we have the Seattle Seahawks. A Lot went on this this offseason with with Ross, but as long as Russell Wilson it's kind of the kind of to me, Russell Wilson is to me what rayshawn said, Aaron Rodgers is to him. As long as Russell Wilson is in that division, it's his division to lose. And him and Pete Carroll going together like you know, spaghetti and meatballs. I was trying to think of something from big belly but spaghetti meatballs will work 12 and five is their spot. I think that's a good team. I think they have the weapons and I think they have the means to go out and win the division and make a run.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 45:23

Yeah, I'm For DK Metcalf having a monster season again like I think he is on a different level in the connection they've had from day one is just phenomenal hopefully speaking of running hopefully he continues to finish the run and not have played like it did last year was having a touch back when it should have been a walking touchdown like his elbows last year immediately

Joe Malkin: 45:43

chasing down Buddha Baker

Unknown: 45:44

yeah

Rayshawn Buchanan: 45:45

yeah that that was Listen man that like that I mean I thought the better watch someone against him watch him belly years ago was crazy like that's a past that like that. That was an unreal I even put a big was like a background like are you are you serious? So yeah, that was great. But yeah, like but you You said it right. And Russell was the man and that division and the addition when that going away

Dave Clarke: 46:08

pretty fair. I feel I feel like you guys would prefer those things. I would have disagreed harder about the rims. I just I feel like cam Akers going down I think he's a stud I think like that's going to be such Ah, sir.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 46:19

I forgot about that. Yeah,

Dave Clarke: 46:20

that's gonna be such a big deal in their offense. And I don't know if I don't know if that coaching staff has the knouse to really put it together this late losing losing him definitely for the whole season this late good credit to the Seahawks. I just think it's like, there's a lot of Much Ado About Nothing with that Seahawks team. And let me ask Bobby and Mike this for their rebuttals. Russell Wilson, obviously, there was rumors of him leaving like you guys sort of touched on in the last section. I wanted him before we got Justin fields, for obvious reasons. Russell Wilson, very good quarterback. Is there a feeling that the Seattle Seahawks even though like these guys think they're gonna win division? Not sure how you guys feel? Is there a feeling they're kind of also RANS at this point, like they sort of come and produce the same above average to a very good season every season and then sort of washed out by the time playoffs in common? Is that? Is that a fair assessment? Do you think and like, at what point does it fall on? Russell Wilson, if that is the case, Mike?

Michael Marcangelo: 47:12

I think that the Seahawks if they don't have a well rounded offense like meaning that if they're rushing attack is not as good as their passing attack, but they're not a great team. So this literally depends on the on the rushing game. And I don't know how you feel Bobby, but Russell Wilson, I think it is an elite NFL quarterback, of course. But he realize that scheme relies on the fact that you need to have a play action, because his strengths are what he does, after the play action out of the pocket, and what he can do with DK Metcalf and the rest of that team. So yeah, I mean, we had Seattle when you didn't, but we had Seattle wins last year, pretty handily. I think that they should. They're absolutely the front runner. Yeah, I

Rob Kelly: 47:59

mean, I think the biggest difference coming out of Seattle this year is the new offensive coordinator. They got rid of Brian Schottenheimer and brought in Shane Waldron, who's the old offensive coordinator for the Rams, that's gonna make the biggest difference over there. They're gonna rely way more on Russell Wilson and DK Metcalf and lock it rather than that running game, like you saw that about the end of the season. So the Seahawks are definitely the team to beat in a division. I'm gonna go opposite of what I went last year and say the only thing I disagree with you guys is the 40 Niners I just don't see that direction. Right now. Any team to me that has a quarterback controversy, like eminent? And there's no clear answer between the two, like neither one of them give him a solid answer to me. It's just your age asking for trouble. And I just don't think before he died or the second place he

Joe Malkin: 48:52

would you have the same opinion of the New England Patriots? Would quarterback controversy? Yes,

Rob Kelly: 48:59

I do. I just think when there is no clear cut answer to your quarterback situation, you're asking for trouble from your team, because the one thing that's going to run your team and run your offense and make that offense consistent week to week is knowing that you have confidence in your quarterback and the plays that he sees and what he sees in the field. And when that quarterback has that doubt in his mind, I just think it leads to trouble.

Joe Malkin: 49:23

Well, now you got me doubting where we put the 14 years thanks.

Dave Clarke: 49:26

Right. I just think the Rams and the Cardinals are better. So I put the four Dodgers last but the rest of it you know, it's it is a tough thing because I don't even really think it's the quarterbacks confidence Do you worry about when you have those quarterbacks by committee and like unsureness, it's the fact you can tell your offense who their leader is. And like if you go into a if you go into a season where these guys, you know, for all intents and purposes, rally the majority of them and rally behind Jimmy g before and I don't know I don't know what's going to happen like maybe they're playing the long game, but I actually do agree with Bobby on single Cisco. I don't think the Cardinals going to be that good either, though, because I think it's a Kyler Murray slump year but sorry, good.

Michael Marcangelo: 50:02

Yep, I was. Before we go on. I just think that you can't argue with the stats that Jimmy g puts up when he does start. Yeah, he's a really winning quarterback. And as far as quarterback controversy goes not to have some infighting here with Bobby, I understand what he's saying. But both of those quarterbacks play within the exact same system, right? They're not interested intrinsically different. So they will be doing the exact same thing in that system for San Francisco. So it's not like they're asking different things of the offense. So I do think that I listen, Jimmy G. Great. I think when he plays, he's excellent. The question mark is, can he play a full season? He said at once. I think Trey Lance has shown you some spurts. So I think in that vein, you can't really lose if you're the San Francisco for diamonds.

Dave Clarke: 50:56

I mean, I agree with you in that sense, Mike, in the sense that like if you start Jimmy j and you call Jimmy Jr. QB one till you never be goes down, and then you let the let that inevitable injury solve your problem for you. I'm just not 100% sure they're going to do that.

Rob Kelly: 51:08

I disagreed until you said intrinsically, and then I was completely behind what you said.

Joe Malkin: 51:14

Word to fool you a trickery with my big book and what happens there if that never happens, Dave, like, you have Jimmy G. And they're like, Alright, we're gonna start him because he's the guy. He's the guy. We're paying $25 million a year. And then in the back of their mind, obviously, the mind will say that to Jimmy like, hey, you're the guy until you get hurt in trees, the dude like, if he never gets hurt, and plays vol 17 games,

Dave Clarke: 51:39

great trailer dances on a fucking rookie contract, you give the shit just like Ash on the bench.

Joe Malkin: 51:44

But then it goes back to what? Well, now I'm going back to what Bobby said of like, Alright, but you still have that conversation because trade lands has played so well in his rookie season in preseason. So now you have the same conversation in 2022 that you have in 2021. All right, well, yeah, he played well, last year. But now we got the second year quarterback that looks really good. Now.

Dave Clarke: 52:04

I mean, you're not getting into 20. But then you have a good problem at that point, right. Because you have an embarrassment of riches. You haven't Brett Farve Aaron Rodgers situation, you just get it for, at least at least in this situation. It's not like a lot of different teams that we've talked about tonight, at least you can turn around and you may grab them and go listen, we drafted a guy that could potentially take your job, because of course we fucking did. You can't stay healthy. He's got to understand that on some level, it's not him versus the 40 Niners it's him versus his own body. So like he I think if they make sure that it's his job to lose, and he probably will, because he can't stay healthy. And I think it's fair enough. You know, I think it's a fair enough move. Like, I think it would have been, it would have been ridiculous to just keep betting on his injury record. You know, you can't blame the 40 Niners to do what they did, they just have to make the right decisions from this point forward, and try their best both PR wise and like within the camp to alleviate the pressure of the idea of somebody breathing down someone else's neck. It's like Trey got a lot of years left ahead of you see, Joe,

Rob Kelly: 53:02

if that happens, though. His stock will be so high that because the Patriots are so bad, don't trade like a first round pick for him. They're

Michael Marcangelo: 53:09

not so bad. What are you smoking? What the hell is what's it? All right, I had to just remember that at their worst, the Patriots were finished at the exact same record as the Cowboys

Rob Kelly: 53:25

laughter their their words, he I'm sorry, I had never said worst.

Dave Clarke: 53:29

No, that's all fair. All fair not to go down the Patriots fold again. But I will say I was really clamoring for the first person to be like, maybe Jimmy g should come to the Patriots could have given that back moments after that enough times. All right. Moving on, moving on to the last division and we are running out of time. So thankfully, this is the last division not because I haven't had fun but because this is not going to take very long. Guys. Tell us about the AFC West tell us why the chiefs are going to move on it to Spence's or less because I'd be surprised if you get more and I guess I don't know. I mean, I'm gonna try not to talk shit about Jon Gruden when we go through this division but like I don't know. No promises.

Michael Marcangelo: 54:05

Go ahead. All right, Bobby Broncos, seven and 10 Is that okay with you? Seems high seems high. But yeah, we'll go as far as that gives you five and 12 that's fine. Raiders, nine and eight. That gives you stuff that gives you seven to 10.

Rob Kelly: 54:21

I actually I don't hate readings now you teach the Raiders or sorry.

Unknown: 54:27

I wait till the

Rob Kelly: 54:30

I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it.

Michael Marcangelo: 54:32

I have the charges at 10. Seven. I want

Rob Kelly: 54:36

because because the to win royal give it to you. I think your charges are better than that just year. I love her. I love Justin Herbert.

Michael Marcangelo: 54:44

Do you think they're better than 12 months? No, I

Rob Kelly: 54:46

don't. So we'll take it.

Michael Marcangelo: 54:48

I'll take all right. And then I have the cheese at 15 and two.

Rob Kelly: 54:52

Oh s there. I was going to argue that but you weren't up on it. It was what you sent me. All right. 15 to two. Let's go. Absolutely.

Michael Marcangelo: 55:01

This this is Patrick mahomes League and we're all just watching it. That's just how it goes. So I think the Chiefs run away with this division 15 and two I do think now because of what Bobby said about the dolphins and the Patriots and the charges that the charges will probably sneak it's that that last playoff spot with a titan seven. I love Justin Herbert. I love what he does. I love it. When He brings with that team. I love Austin eckler as their as their as their RB one. So, yeah, but in reality FC Wes starts and ends with the Chiefs 13 and two.

Dave Clarke: 55:37

Wow, I mean, pretty straightforward. I think we can all sort of agree with most of what you said. I think the thing I'm going to obviously need to focus on is how the Oakland Raiders beat nine teams on the schedule that I'm looking at right now. Las

Rob Kelly: 55:48

Vegas, las las Las Vegas Raiders.

Dave Clarke: 55:52

Right The Las Vegas Raiders whatever they want to meet dammit. No, I just I know. I'm genuinely curious. They have they have a they have a very, very stupid man is their head coach and they don't have any good players. So I'm just wondering why they feel like a team that starts five and two.

Unknown: 56:07

So they're gonna beat the Ravens. The dolphins the niners, they will beat the dolphins.

Michael Marcangelo: 56:14

They might beat the Ravens. Oh, man. I

Dave Clarke: 56:18

hope you guys are wrong. The Bears played in this Yeah, yeah.

Michael Marcangelo: 56:20

Listen, Omar's trash. So yes, I do believe that. But I don't think that's indicative of how good the right rash is a little extreme. Yeah. Yeah, he's still important. Listen, he's still a poor man's michael vick, I think early in the season, and honestly, not to get political. We don't know what his status is. So what if he leaves the confines of the NFL testing facilities? And he has to miss five days of either practice or a game? Who knows what Lamar does? I got twice. You twice. I could be three times.

Dave Clarke: 57:01

Yeah, you want to know you want to know the last time he got COVID? You got COVID three days before we were supposed to shoot that commercial I did with him. I was like, thanks, Lamar. And everybody was like Lamar COVID so he's not gonna be here. I was like, No, no, no, he already had COVID they're like, Hey, you gotta get fucking dumb Do you have to be you don't get to get it twice. I'm

Michael Marcangelo: 57:17

sorry. You get over like Fool me once like Jesus Christ. The Raiders feel like a team that could start that that could start like five and three. That could start five and three or six and two, then finish two and seven or three days. That's just what Jon Gruden does so yeah, nine and eight. I will defend that today to the Hell yeah.

Dave Clarke: 57:38

Jon Gruden does that he also pushes when the door says pull and pulls when the door says push because he's a dum dum. If not, I'll let you guys rebut as the last rebuttal of the night so making sure spider why to the banana.

Joe Malkin: 57:52

I think that I don't agree with Dave that and I understand his inherent hatred for Jon Gruden and I respect it. But there he is the third he is the second worst coach in the AFC West and the first is Vic Fangio. I think the Denver Broncos they have I don't think drew lock is enabled quarterback controversy to its drew lock and Teddy Bridgewater. It's not a I mean, it's not a great quarterback controversy, but it is going to lead us I think both of those guys are good enough to play for that team. But they're absolutely the bottom of the barrel there. I agree with you guys with the Raiders at 930. I think looking at the roster, they brought back most of what they had and I mean they have Darren Waller and they have Henry rugs and they have i mean you know they have a good set of offensive weapons. I think something bad would have to go would have to happen for them not to start the season five and three or you know somewhere around 500 and then I'm gonna go with Bobby just said I love Justin Herbert. I love Justin Herbert I love I think Brandon Staley has a job to do out there as he crosses over from the the Rams offensive coordinator to the Chargers head coach, but if he did for the Rams, what he did again, I said it before if the Chargers can do with Stafford I'm sorry the Rams can do with Stafford what they did with golf. Brandon Staley is gonna have a field day with Justin Herbert in the other locker room across ofice Stadium I really liked and they're nowhere near the Kansas City Chiefs but I think you guys are spot on here.

Dave Clarke: 59:38

You're the one thing I would disagree with you about their job is that he said he's the second worst coach in that division. He's actually the third worst coach. In the NFL. He's got the third most losses. Anyone in the NFL? Guess who's ahead of him? Bill Belichick and Andy Reid because they both played like a billion games. I'll get one loves, loves loves to lose football games. It's one of his favorite things. Dude brushes his teeth with losing football games. And the only spicy sauce that he likes to add to losing games is losing games hilariously by say doing it saying dumb things. He's

Joe Malkin: 1:00:13

gonna walk into a Super Bowl in Tampa everywhere you go unless it's Tampa Bay when you come in behind Tony Dungy who is one of the best offensive minds of all time.

Dave Clarke: 1:00:22

Listen, I get that he was a laugh when he was on T Vito trying to pretend like he knew anything about football but like now two people's paychecks and fandoms are on the line. Okay, this is serious. You can't give somebody that much responsibility that has that little Nike. Listen.

Rob Kelly: 1:00:35

I feel like DK his best friend is a Raiders fan. He just i i don't i don't know.

Dave Clarke: 1:00:40

Honestly. I'll tell you. You know where you know where it comes from and say exactly was from you remember his like quarterback quarter thing that he was always on TV doing? When I was in college, the five guys I lived with. We have six of us in a house. And there was just some weird shit in the water that made them all just be like, man, we love Jon Gruden. I was the lone voice hating Jon Gruden and I had to watch him on TV because I didn't have enough of a vote. And having only like here the ones that 1/6 of the vote to get them off the fucking TV and turn on a different channel watch different game and I had to just listen to the idiocy that comes from that man's brain to mouth to my precious ears who have better things to be doing right. What do you think? What do you think of their predictions in that division? And where they've been in all disrespectful earnings themes? Obviously, you know, there's the obvious winner here.

Rayshawn Buchanan: 1:01:27

That's, you know, that's gonna get me the chiefs. I mean, I'm glad that you know, we still respect to the chiefs. And yeah, I think I had like a, you know, one last year, and we did so that's not far off. They shouldn't be winning that much unless they just choose to rest players at the end. I mean, I got to give Bobby his credit. And he was on the herbage train early. He said it was last year because I heard was going to be the guy. And number six. I was like, I don't know, I just didn't trust the guy. So Oregon. He had an Alabama rookie season. So I mean, we'll see how you know how he fares when teams I see have more tape against them. And honestly, just this you know, I'm going to set the mic go. He says about a guy that we just signed here in New England, which is about ease and our quote made of glass. Well, guess what sort of La charges as a team. So there's no way they're gonna win 10 games because they're not going to stay healthy doing 10 games, and it doesn't matter how long how good harbors gonna be, you're not going to be like, I just think they're not gonna have guys that stay healthy do they never do so I just for that fact alone, it will be either original someone else that jumps in second place, but they're all fighting for a second place winner in the same division as Patrick mahomes. But I just can't give it I can't give la that much credit knowing that they're gonna have key guys out for most of your foster kids. That's just it just seems like a second nature down there. For dashers

Dave Clarke: 1:02:40

Wow, that was a marathon guys. We did it. We predicted the records of every single NFL team some fair, some less than fair. Some dead on balls accurate. Like when Bobby said that the Patriots were going to be good. No, I'm just kidding. No, no, don't don't just get okay. They're gonna be so good. I'm so sorry. I think we have a fun NFL season look forward to is obviously a lot of cool talking points, a lot of things to be arguing about. And I think you're gonna hear the sentences. You said verbatim in the prediction show a lot of times, but thankfully, you know, Mike didn't sacrifice himself for the ludicrous division take this year. You know, he was really doing the Lord's work last year just trying to create controversy and talking points. So we're gonna have to pick up a little bit of the slack next season, or this coming season, I should say. So thank you to the team. Who's who teach me AFC. Bobby and Mike. Thank you to Team NSC ratio. And Joe, thank you to all the wonderful listeners at home for myself. Our producer Craig this has been missing the point