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With it being the worst sports week of the year, and The NFL ready to open training camps next week, we take a dive in to preview Each Division and Conference.
Will the LA Rams be able to repeat as Super Bowl Champion? Can Joe Burrow, Ja'Marr Chase, and the Cincinnati Bengals avoid the curse of so many Super Bowl Runner ups? Will Mac Jones make the "Second-Year Leap?" Will Cleveland have buyer's remorse on Deshaun Watson with Watson likely to serve a minimum of 8-games on the sidelines as a result of his ongoing sexual misconduct suits?
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Welcome to MTP I'm Joe Malkin joined by the real BK Bob Kelly and tk sisal Dave Clarke. And we're here to give you our first NFL show of the fiscal year, if you will. And tonight we're going to today we're gonna go through each division. We're going to talk about the teams in those divisions in and tell you where we think they're gonna finish this year. The NFL season is coming up shortly as we record this, they're about week away from starting camp, and about two weeks away from the start of the NFL preseason. So guys, let's start let's just get it out of the way first, because I'm the only Patriots fan so let's just get the east of the AFC East out of the way and then we're gonna go touch on Bobby's cowboys. And we'll see these guys the AMC is last year Buffalo Bills when the division basically buy a game over the Patriots a Lebanon's 610 and seven are the Patriots nine and the dolphins and the Jets are four and 13 at the bottom. How do we how do we feel about this division this year? And where do you guys think these teams are gonna finish good. I think it's gonna be pretty close to what it was.
Dave Clarke:Yeah, I mean, I think the bills are way better though. I like I think that this is going to be the breakout season for the Buffalo Bills. And I think it's this event season where they take over that division for the foreseeable I feel like you know, as we are a kind of a Boston sports flavor podcast I do hear a little bit more about the Patriots than I fucking want to but I just I don't know they've had a really weird offseason and I feel like it's you guys have sort of been decrying the front offices of all Boston sports teams sands that Boston said
Rob Kelly:been so fucking ridiculous. So ridiculous, but the kind
Dave Clarke:of debate is is sand Celtics who will you know which front office is a fucking absolute nightmare? I always thought the Bruins had the worst one but it they are they are pretty bad. But you know, now you have and I'm sure you guys talked extensively on the Red Sox show about how the Red Sox front office is dealing with trying to keep their stars in house. But
Rob Kelly:they're not trying to be
Dave Clarke:the Pats are just like, I don't know, you know, is that the is are the days of the Bill Belichick sixth round pick becoming like a potential all pro wide receiver Are they are they over? You know, Mike, Mark Angela, one of our other contributors has been banging the drum with Bill Bellatrix a subpar GM if not the greatest coach of all time, for quite a while and it's just I just don't feel like you guys are making moves. I mean, I think the one positive thing I've heard is that Matt Jones looks really good. I think I've heard he looks really in shape and really fit and he's gonna take take a leap. He probably was the best rookie QB last year. You know, because and credit to him if you can learn that fucking calculus scheme that that you guys run over New England. But I mean, to me the bills are a fucking no brainer. I think the bills are gonna be best in the NFL next year. So you know, spoiler alert. I know. We started here with this division, but like, they have everything I like. If you ask me right now who I who I would rather play to try to get a win the chiefs to the bills, I'd rather put the chiefs, you know, down Tyreke Hill, and they just don't look as invincible as they used to. And I think Josh Allen another year in the league. I think he's the number one QB also. I mean, it's insane. I know that like the Buffalo Bills when we were kids growing up were a fucking joke, but I think they're I think they're gonna win 15 games this year, and just on paper, unless some crazy happens. And I'm gonna fantasy draft half the fucking team. So I don't know. I'm really high on the bills, I
Rob Kelly:guess. Yeah, I completely agree. DK I mean, I It's let's just let's put it this way. If we weren't on a New England podcast, there wouldn't be much discussion about who's going to win this division. You know what I mean? That's, that's how much better the bills are not only just about to the Patriots, but to the rest of the NFL. I completely agree with the addition of Von Miller you know what I mean? They took a defense who was already top five in the NFL, and added one of the was an added a defensive player who just turned the tide on the defense of the Super Bowl champion. So it's pretty evident that they added more strength. They added then they get wide receivers, they bring in two they brought a Jarvis Landry. Is that right? Right. Yeah, so they brought in Jarvis Landry to obviously they just got better. And I think the Patriots got worst I think the best thing about the Patriots offseason is that they traded Nikhil, Harry, that's probably the most positive checkmark. Right. Would you agree to the bears? If that's that's kind of fun. It's like a little mini like hidden storyline for us. It's amazing. Yeah.
Joe Malkin:We'll come back to New England
Rob Kelly:soon. But so at It's It's
Dave Clarke:we who do you bills running mommy?
Rob Kelly:Danger Ivana Manuel Emmanuel Sanders that was last year Tavon Austin Austin Yeah, but I just think that there's so much better than the rest of that division man and the only team I think I listen to the Patriots have such a limited ceiling to basement window I feel like their ceiling is like 10 but their basement is like seven whereas the team like the dolphins I feel like the dolphin ceiling is like 12 You know what I mean? If if Hill takes the top off defenses they can they do well, their basements also like five will they still look to what they do? That's true, but I'm just saying like
Dave Clarke:Tyreke Hill isn't isn't going to be like I just feel like we're never gonna hear from him again. Because of that truth to be honest. It's Paul A lot of
Joe Malkin:guys gonna go to Miami to further their careers to die
Rob Kelly:they just that is very
Dave Clarke:true. You see the Miami like PR team was like check out the new like lethal link up between two and 10 the worst throw a put a video of fucking to it just like bomb enough folks
Joe Malkin:told me who's worse there are two are the are the social media team that's putting that together,
Dave Clarke:they're all fired to get together.
Rob Kelly:So I'm just if the patriots to me I feel like could be better than the dolphins probably will be better than dolphins if you if you're asking me for an answer. It's you're still gonna buy our well that's enough. But I feel like the dolphins have a better chance of winning the division. If that makes any sense at all. They have a higher ceiling it's yeah, they have a higher ceiling to me. Because Because of those additions because they also they brought in Chase admins to the there was a lot of moves in Miami this
Dave Clarke:year. But let's be honest, like the bills are winning that division for sure. Yeah, that's why I don't even know why. But after that show, after that we have I know we like to shoot on the past. But after that the Patriots have the next best chance still, they still have Bill Belichick like that's that's still five more wins than his roster deserves right off the bat, you know, like they're gonna have, like the Patriots could very easily win double digits when double digit games this year. And like, he will make that roster overperform you know what I mean? Like what his real secret weapon is getting a guy that's a 5.5 and making them into a 7.5. You know, and I think that's good, because there's a lot
Joe Malkin:of 5.5 is kind of overriding scotch, right? Yeah.
Dave Clarke:And like, listen, I mean, I'm not I'm not hating on the Pats, like, just to hate on them. Because like, they were so good for so long. It's not you know, I live in LA now, I don't have that same sort of that sort of bitterness, you know, and I've accepted my fate with the Chicago Bears, but I don't know, man, I just think that they don't seem as invincible as they used to be and then we're even a little bit outside that like, well, they might still make the fucking playoffs or they might still make the plug in championship game, because just because they're the Patriots, I just don't know if that's the case anymore. But fuck, I'll be living wrong in the past. I've been trying to write them off for the past like seven years. So who knows? Let me ask you this, Joe.
Rob Kelly:Is this the least talented, or the least high that you've been on a Patriots team coming into a season ever? Since since since the Brady bello checks are?
Joe Malkin:Yeah, probably. I mean, you know, every year you have Tom Brady, after 2000 Excuse me after 2004 when they won the third Super Bowl, you're like I got a chance to go. We have a chance to win this. I think 2020 was a down year. But then, you know, they weren't seven, nine and respond it right. It was like, Oh, they weren't seven, that roster de
Rob Kelly:spawn at seven and nine so that
Joe Malkin:they should have gone three and 13. And they weren't seven at night. It's like yeah, yeah. All right. But you know, I'm with like, lately, and he and I have had this conversation and we debate a little, because I think if it bill goes as GM should go as coach heard an interesting tidbit today, and it's not a rumor, but it could be a good idea, which I'll get to when I assess the division. But yeah, Dave, you're the bill. The bills are. I think you're a little high with 15 wins, but 13 to 14. Yeah, and I know that's only what laughs but
Dave Clarke:you're still in 16 game season mode.
Joe Malkin:No, no, I'm with you. It's 15 and two, I think it's I think that's more I think that's more difficult to obtain than that.
Dave Clarke:Don't you think that on paper there's so ludicrously built for a regular season because of the depth that they have because of the caliber that they have like I'm not saying they're gonna win the Super Bowl I think that like if the manifest the last few years is proven anything like anything can happen in the playoffs and like you know, I think there's a lot of talent depth in the NFL now and there's a lot of people that can like go back and forth and do shit but I mean regular season they're just like they're built for it man. Like they remind me of like a souped up version of like a Peyton Manning's Colton pain man and cool We'll see you know like just really really built for it like they have options they have a lot of different looks they can go to so like that game tape is going to be hard to like accrue until like the end of the season like I really think and also strength the schedule is like not It's not crazy as obviously we've just talked about their division is weakening. So I don't know man like who like Are there that many teams in the NFL? Forget their schedule even is are they that many teams the NFL that you think could come in and beat the Buffalo Bills in a game right now that you would put your hard earned money on like the chiefs.
Joe Malkin:Chiefs? No. Or as the Rams
Dave Clarke:may be probably they are other champs.
Joe Malkin:The Rams bills are almost mirror images of each other
Dave Clarke:Shitload better than Matt Stafford playing
Joe Malkin:Oh, without a doubt they have very different quarterbacks, I think, I think Sean McVeigh not to go on and think about the the Rams versus the bills. But I think Sean McVeigh and Sean McDermott are very different coaches. But I think if you put the two teams next to each other you can and the way they built themselves over the last few years, there's a lot of similarities when it comes to the Patriots. Yeah, I think I've built sweep the Patriots this year. I think the dolphins split and I think even maybe the jet split with the Patriots. I don't see it as very high here. For New England. I think the dumbest decision the dolphins made was to fire Brian Flores. I think the I don't I don't think bringing in Mike McDaniel is necessarily a good move. I don't know how well that's gonna go and then sticking with to at quarterback like, you know that that's coming down from the from the top, because that's what that was part. I think that was part of the reason why Brian Flores was let go was because he didn't want to stick with to it. So I think the dolphins are gonna be around that night and day to day work.
Dave Clarke:And jetskiing I think it was deeper than that and more complicated. And I think it was, I'm sure it was ego based in the front office and I really am rooting against the dolphins this year. For that reason I really want that firing to prove in like their incompetence because I think that streak that he turned that team around last year, it was all him I mean, that was very clearly coaching to me and like I don't know why nobody hired him except for Mike Tomlin kind of doing him a fucking solid and putting them on like this as a special teams coach or some bullshit just so he has a job and like health care cool, nice guy. But like ludicrous that he's not a head coach right now. And I want nothing more on the dolphins to lose to win to win zero games just to prove that like it was so fucking dumb to take to take the front that front office and the egos going in there over approvingly good head coach like a solid defensive coach that you gave a fucking bomb of a quarterback to and still went on a fucking streak whether
Rob Kelly:or wouldn't aid their own a finisher was 500 Are you kidding? Yeah,
Dave Clarke:fuck off. Dude, you you're firing a guy for that like you your franchise does Jason earn
Rob Kelly:Jason Garrett made a career out of that. Yeah, well
Joe Malkin:that well that's that's a whole different that's a whole different Brian Flores
Dave Clarke:is clearly a good coach. Like, like you argue that with me, right? Like he's clearly a good clue clue. Well, if he's like, What are you doing?
Joe Malkin:To the owner wanting to have more of a of a stay at things. And Steve, it's Stephen Ross and in South Beach. I mean, he's a sneaky battler he's a sneaky battler because we know it's not
Dave Clarke:that fucking sneaky. They've been clearly shady for revealing
Joe Malkin:more and that and the firing of blind Brian for it exposed that. I mean, we know the dead spiders in you know, those owners of the world. But he's Stephen Ross is a is a not good owner. The Texans owner is not good McNair So, but anyway, I think I think the Jets are gonna be the surprise because I think everybody's gonna go into the say, Yup, the bills are gonna dominate the
Dave Clarke:Patriots. You're gonna take only three games instead of two.
Joe Malkin:No, they weren't for last year and I think they went seven. I think they go seven and 10. I think Robert Solow has and Spotify that that offense, he brought it AJ Brown, you know, Zack Wilson's gang Nice. Mom's random. Is it good?
Dave Clarke:Is it do them win seven games, though, you know?
Joe Malkin:But what good does it do for them to win for I mean, I gotta hire draft. But see the differences is that Robert Solow wants to win. And I don't think the oldest ownership group of the New York Jets necessarily wants to win. It's how I feel about John Henry. Sports. John. Eric doesn't care if you win because it's still gonna bring it as money isn't the same thing in New York.
Dave Clarke:I disagree. I mean, maybe for the Red Sox, but he definitely has been very good to
Rob Kelly:AJ. AJ Brown was to a different green team. It was the Eagles. Oh, I'm sorry. It was a wide receiver that went to the Jets. They got they got Garrett Wilson draft.
Joe Malkin:So no, yeah, they got some.
Rob Kelly:They signed CJ Uzomah from Cincinnati and Tevin Coleman. I don't see anyone receivers. Different Dowlais Corey Davis. Yeah, that was it Yeah, Corey Davis is
Joe Malkin:not Adrienne brown coordinates the other x
Rob Kelly:kill green team.
Joe Malkin:They both you know, famous at greens. I mean, what a saint body you're better off going to Red team. So I think we all agree Red Red and Blue sorry I meant to say blue because that was supposed to be my my turn to pitch your page. So we're going from what I hear we're going with
Rob Kelly:Bills, Bills unanimous.
Joe Malkin:Yeah, and bills are gonna win.
Dave Clarke:I don't think I mean for doing the smart beds here for the listening audience. I don't think you're gonna get great price on the Buffalo Bills within that division either. So fuck it, but the Patriots?
Rob Kelly:million minus a billion
Joe Malkin:sorry, I didn't go that route. Which who would you bet? Let's go to the NFC East. Bobby, your cowboys 12 and five last year won the Division. What are your thoughts on the your cowboys division this year?
Rob Kelly:I mean, I think it's pretty cut and dried. Where if if if the Cowboys play up to their potential, which would save for 30 years
Joe Malkin:from the last predict. Please don't forget that Craig Craig Just put in, put it out. He said last year or in 2020. And really the same thing.
Rob Kelly:I'm so depressed. It's this football season again. All my Celtic green endorphins just literally rushed out of my brain when I started talking about the Cowboys like, alright, they should win this goddamn division. If they don't win this division, it is an absolute complete and utter failure. And it's not even close. You know what I mean? Like DAX DAX DAX should be got everything should be gone if they don't win the Skyrim division because there's so much more talented. Well, I get to egos made some additions. I got it. I got it. They've done that before. The Cowboys are still better at sweeping, you can always do better, right? There's so much better than this division and and if like listen deck, if I don't even know where to start. It's it's just here's the thing. Here's
Dave Clarke:the thing, right? Like, at the end of the day, Keith, thank
Rob Kelly:you for bearing with me because I, at the end of the day,
Dave Clarke:at the end of the day, you're not this is the year this is 160 million year, you know Dak Prescott has to win himself couple fucking playoff games and make a run. He has to not be the center of any sort of, will he won't he bullshit throughout the season, he needs to win the games that he's supposed to win. And he needs to win that division. But it's on him now. You know, I mean, but quite frankly, the leeway that he got with that contract up until this point was more than a lot of other quarterbacks in a lot of other franchises would have gotten. He has the tools. He has the athleticism, he has the players around him to do it on paper. I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to win a few playoff games and make a run I if you remember was on your side about the Cowboys last year because of his elite passing at times. And if you also remember how he started that season, him versus Brady in a shootout. I thought that's we're here. He's going against Tom Brady to fucking shoot out you know, and on TV and it was it was either a Sunday night or a Monday night game. I'm pretty sure it was a Sunday night game. And it's like look, he's arrived, you know? And then it's it's more of this bullshit, you know, more of this Dallas Cowboys fucking way to the jersey, Jerry Jones bullshit, like, what they need to do is they need to put their fucking heads down, keep their mouth shut and win games, you know, that until the Dallas Cowboys players, coaches and owner can shuffle off the coil of the pressure that they've imagined for themselves. Right as a franchise, and the pressure that they put on themselves via oftentimes the fan base, and because of how good they genuinely look on paper, like if if you took away all this this season's statistics and just loaded those players in the Madden they'd be one of the best fucking teams I mean, I haven't played Madden in a long time but I imagine they're they're up there as far as you know, just stats go. And it's like the opposite of the Patriots. Right? It's like the Patriots probably going to win four more games than they should and the Cowboys are probably going to win one less game than they should and it's gonna be the first round of the fucking playoffs. This is sad but true but honestly I want them to do well because I like ballers as you guys know it's in my DNA and there's ballers all over the fucking field for that team. You know, there's guys everywhere that can make plays and they're fun to watch like I get that we make fun of Bobby hearby for being a Cowboys fan because we're you know, there's there's a lot of Patriots fans here and shit as a Bears fan that the Cowboys don't really bother me as much but they're fun to watch guys like that when they're good. They're super good, you know, and like you said they should win the division and I dislike a lot of other teams in that division too. Like the Eagles really fucking rubbed me the wrong way.
Rob Kelly:So at Eagles Yeah, they're very hateable. They're
Dave Clarke:easily hateable thing is that good that comes to mind when talking about the NFL but listen this is do or die your man you got to blow it up i It sounds extreme but you got to blow it up if dad can't get his shit together this year I agree like I like it's there was so many no brainer things that we talked about on this podcast last year as far as like Zeke the things he should be doing that he's not doing you know Dak not no showing and in big games like all this shit it's like fuck all that dude it's time it's time you know if you asked me to put money on which direction I think it's gonna go though I don't know if I could really put money on that on a on them getting it done that's all but
Rob Kelly:I couldn't be less offended everybody to be I couldn't be less but at the same time
Dave Clarke:their division it's still their division though you know it's their division illusory now so
Joe Malkin:I don't think it was worth putting money on it anyway because like the bills I think they're gonna be the old like the overall Have you got a little
Dave Clarke:bit better odds on that I'm because just because like Bobby said the Eagles did improve but not enough. Like they're still not good. You know? I mean, we I press. Would you Joe Do you think that Dak Prescott top 10 quarterback?
Joe Malkin:Top 10 quarterback probably
Dave Clarke:he's almost certainly a Thompson quarterback top five potential to be definite potentially.
Joe Malkin:Let's see what he does this year.
Dave Clarke:If you I mean, he was at one point of last season the best quarterback at one point last season statistically, he was the best quarterback and
Rob Kelly:then we beat the Patriots and our entire season with the ship. That was but
Dave Clarke:that dude like we talked about that. Every time we referenced that game, I like forgot that the Cowboys won it because it was like such a moral victory for the Patriots. For whatever reason. Like
Rob Kelly:it said the teams in two opposite directions. I was at the game. It was amazing. We weren't a game. It was one of the best football games I've ever seen. But like, smashed him. Yeah, we should have but no literally sent us in a tailspin, man the next week, we lost the Broncos. It was our first loss. And it was down from there.
Joe Malkin:It probably that's what Bill Belichick does, you know, listen
Rob Kelly:it it was like Daniels I felt like that he was like I said that to DK was like, if we beat the Patriots. And what did it cost me free thing. Ya know? So,
Dave Clarke:so true. So sum up though, to sum up, just not just some of the best thing you have going for you is that you have an elite quarterback in my opinion in your initiative. So you should you should in theory when you won 12 games last year, right? 12 Yeah. 12 Five. You should at least win 12 games this year. Your team hasn't changed.
Rob Kelly:Yeah. Well, it has though. So the thing though, is we gave up Mark Ime already gone.
Dave Clarke:I don't think Amari Cooper was as big of a factor.
Rob Kelly:I don't think so either. It was I don't think so either. But the Gregory was off the edge. 100% Sure. And what annoys me the most about this is almost like the Patriots. This is like listen, you have an opportunity here it's not with the Patriots at all. But you have an opportunity here to win guys you have you have your franchise quarterback go spend some content money, like every year is the same goddamn shit. Oh, cowboys reportedly interest in Bobby Wagner. Nope. Cowboys report is reportedly interested in Everson Griffin No. How was the report that Vaughn mill like these Von Miller came out and said I would have taken a pay cut but not that big of the pay cut and it's just like guys you it almost feels Red Sox where it's like I not to like go to another sport but it's like oh, we made them an offer they just didn't want you didn't get didn't make them an offer. Stop it. Stop it. You didn't you wanted Dante Fowler to come in here and tear it up? And he very well might don't get me wrong. Very well. Mike Dante Fowler is a great signing. But you want it to be that smart franchise? That's like we're not going to spend big we're gonna get this guy he's gonna come in. Stop you have you have. I have never seen a championship game. NFC Championship game. Since I have been a Cowboys fan. I have never seen the Cowboys inerrancy Championship Game Stop being smart. Go get some ballers more ballers reciting the guys that you already have. And let's fucking do this but they didn't. And that's a businessman.
Joe Malkin:You shouldn't just continue being a Patriots fan. One I really should have man really should have been his credit line there kicker which I know you had a love hate relationship with airlines. But now they're basically trying out a rookie to rookie kicker as they they brought in to the draft a kicker. They brought in a kicker and I know I'm going down the kicker but they have a rookie kicker. That's a Joe fucking loves
Rob Kelly:kicker. I love loves kickers.
Joe Malkin:I just I Leave him
Rob Kelly:leave room Herro I can't pronounce it.
Joe Malkin:It's how I feel about closers. Baseball like any opportunity. I can give a guy a save scoring and baseball game. I love to give it to him. I agree with you the Benton's Annucci lead Dallas Cowboys. You're going to win the division in the NFC Yes. bicep tendon he that's one of my favorite sounds on Tik Tok. And we heard that one Bobby. Yeah. Oh, you got to follow up into Nuccio tick tock. This is me shouting out Ben DiNucci on tick tock, Greg. Tag this tag Ben energy.
Rob Kelly:These are really if we get him on the podcast, that'd be great. I love it. That'd
Joe Malkin:be outstanding. Ben, come on the podcast. I'd love to talk to Ben Dynegy. The commander's might be your biggest competition there in that division. I think Nick Sirianni is what's really going to hold back to the Philadelphia Eagles I think their coaching staff stinks Brian table in New York, they might give you a spin cuz that offense might be a little bit better in New York, but let's not mince words here the Cowboys are gonna see so let's stay in the NFC we're gonna I'm really gonna throw a curveball and so are we were all great in agreement the Cowboys in the NFC East.
Dave Clarke:Nashville, you know, so there wasn't gonna be down a man on the podcast. We're
Rob Kelly:dying. I'm done. Well, I can't I can't take another. I can't take it again. Oh, my gosh. If the 40 Niners I don't even want to go back there. All right,
Joe Malkin:cool. Don't go to the NFC North. Let's, let's talk about Dave's bears and the Packers and the Vikings and the lions. David, what do you think in the NFC North this year? Because I mean, did you guys get better? You got Nikhil, Harry for Patriots? So clearly, that's a plus. But six and 11 last year for your bears who wins the MFC life?
Dave Clarke:Not the bears. Oh my god,
Rob Kelly:don't you i Listen, I know your heart. And your body won't let you say it. I know that it's a fact. The Packers are winning the MCU there's there's
Dave Clarke:extra saying that for me your Well the nice part about that is they'll probably crash out in the first book and round as per usual because they're fun. But I mean, I guess I'll just take this opportunity to go on record about the Chicago Bears. Look, I mean it's kind of what I wanted from their offseason I know that's gonna sound strange to some Bears fans out there. Our roster was old and it was fucking expensive. You know? We weren't winning with it. You know, we went six and 11 with with expensive fucking free agent signings and trades on our team and it's obviously time now to rebuild in saying that you know, Paul's the new GM and ever flutes ever flawless whatever the however the fuck you pronounce my new head coach's name ever meet? Yeah, I wanted I wanted Flores but like whatever you know here we are. He's defensive minded which I think suits obviously the profile the franchise they drafted defense which again is something I want it but I really want Justin fields to have a good statistical year I'm not asking for a big playoff run or anything at this point I just want Justin fields to not be like deemed a dud by the end of the season we lost Alan Robertson the second to the rams and that's fine I mean he honestly wasn't the kind of receiver the fields is going to succeed with anyway Darnell Mooney is and I think that if if we had to just done anything with the offensive line to keep them safe and not die then maybe Darnell Mooney and him form a connection and and you know you run like a cool West Coast offense or you do something fun with with fields and it's fun to watch at least what I fear that although the play calling is likely going to be better because it was probably the worst season of calling I've ever seen it for any NFL team with Matt naggy scrapes It was fucking bad man it feels it felt like to me he was trying to get fired buddy and but I think it would the play calling improving I mean it can only go up like you said it'll be a little bit more fun to watch but fields is gonna be running for his fucking life oh god damn season again and it's just like we just we made no investments we what they need to do is build another good young defense from the draft which is what Paul said he was going to do he was going to he was like we're going to draft for speed and athleticism and mentality which is how I always do it in the Madden franchises I run so it makes sense to me. But it took me three years to win a Super Bowl the bears by the way, so it's not that fucking hard. Okay, my profile picture in our discord chat is Justin fields with a Lombardi Trophy because I accomplished that goal and it was on all that and okay so for the record, but he's gonna be running for his fucking life I want them to draft defense I do but they need a young they need a new young offensive line for to grow with their quarterback that's just a no brainer and they didn't get anybody Arlen got worse if you didn't
Joe Malkin:Well they dropped they did drop two tackles Yeah,
Dave Clarke:like fourth and fifth though. You know we got we got a quarterback and safety for the first two picks and that's good. That's great. You know, we also there was this this was depressing, too. We we tried to get Larry ogunjobi And he failed a physical which is like oh, I mean like what do you like the ink was almost on the fucking page and the fail the physical it's like guys like are you not doing the you know, you're not Do your research before you offer somebody $50 million? Like, I don't know, at least he failed the physical and like that when we got this, can we move on? I just can't. Yeah. So
Rob Kelly:basically, this is this is why there's somewhat resentment in this podcast or is it paid? Because meaning he just talked about our teams each for about 510 minutes. By the end of our conversation, we were both like you don't want I'm fucking done.
Joe Malkin:We're gonna role reversal here, Bobby, because I'm gonna tell you guys we're getting there. As Patriots fans, if you listen to how me and Mike have talked about this, the NRA have talked about this team. In the last few months, especially in our last interview with Karen Gregan down in the show notes. It's getting worse here because and not to go back to the Patriots, but just to kind of actually be able to coexist with you guys in this realm of despair. It's not good. I mean, the Patriots don't have an offensive coordinator. They don't have a defensive coordinator. We don't know who's calling the plays one way or the other. And as a fan, I think I said this in the discord one day, you know, we don't need to know these things. I think Ray was like, hell yeah, we do. Like, yeah, like, we do need to know who's calling the plates who's calling the shots. Who's the Patriots got worse? I think I think the bears stayed the same. I think
Dave Clarke:the No, they didn't, they didn't make it worse. The only thing the only thing I'll say about the bears is at least it's not going to be run by a fucking circus full of clowns anymore. Like, like, at least the head coach is a guy that's like, hits, you know, he's like, keep the ball take the ball away, take care of the ball, fucking, you know, strength and intensity. And that's his whole thing. And he's gonna run it like somebody that like actually knows how to run a football team. So there's that, but we're also not really built to win right now. So it's just like, I'm gonna watch this fucking team every week, every week like I always do, and I'm gonna be fucking sad. And like, what Bobby's saying is, you being like Boone newser, defensive coordinator is like, suck my nuts, dude. Like, honestly, at the end of the day, like you've just watched your team win a billion Super Bowls and you're like, it's like, it boggles my mind. The lack of luck and self awareness from all of you is is honestly fucking shocking. Like we go with the fucking discord and you guys are like, Oh, I'm
Joe Malkin:so mad right now. We're
Dave Clarke:gonna win it. Oh, I'm like, suck my asshole. Listen,
Rob Kelly:I would actually give my asshole for for a Super Bowl up hearing.
Dave Clarke:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't make that. That's all can work.
Rob Kelly:Alright, fine. Fine. First NFC Championship or period or a real back a little just let me get
Dave Clarke:one. Let me get it's one game from the fucking Super Bowl. It looks the NFC Championship and battled it out with the fucking packers are amazing. Thank you. All right. Well, it was a good season. At least I would have first round like it. Honestly. It's insane. You know what? We know what it is? It's let them eat cake. That's what it is. It's me and Bobby. Getting rotten fucking bread on the streets of Paris and then having to listen to you guys be like, Oh, no, if the cakes quite
Rob Kelly:I don't like chocolate cake. I don't even like chocolate cake.
Dave Clarke:How old is this one? It
Rob Kelly:would have been better ever. You know what it would have been better if it was marble cake. You know? And chocolate. Like Joe. I don't
Dave Clarke:mean to rebuff you so hard. But it's like you're sitting here going like Well, guys, I mean, I can relate your fucking cancer.
Joe Malkin:For sure we can. I couldn't. When I prior to 2000 You know we went to the board last so anyway, so
Dave Clarke:err on your balls. Yeah, get the fuck out of here with that.
Unknown:Child. The Patriots not winning the Super Bowl. He just went outside and played. This is all we have now.
Rob Kelly:Oh, football season's gonna be so fucked up. Honestly, Well, anyways, I've been so happy I've been so happy for like seven months. is like God Dammit. Dammit. Here we are again. I got
Dave Clarke:Dave Alright, let's just to sum up the rest of the NFC North so we can fucking move on before my one of my eyes pops out of my fucking head. The bears are gonna be like two and seven going into a flogging game against the Detroit Lions. And I'm going to be like, hoping that they win. Okay, like scraps from the fucking table like Daddy Warbucks come and fucking adopt me. I'm Little Orphan Annie. I hope we beat the fucking lions like, yeah, and the Packers will probably sweep us yet again. Also, our primetime streaks over like at least the bears were still a prestigious enough enough franchise to have like, probably more honestly multiple primetime games, which got embarrassing towards the end of last season. I'm like, I really don't need to see them play Monday Night Football. Again. This is really this is turgid. But we're not doing that word. Nice word. Thank you. I appreciate it. And actually, it's really accurate. It's really an accurate record word for that. It's one of those words that sounds like what it means. So it's it's it's good in context, but yeah, thank God we're not gonna have to embarrass ourselves on fucking money in a football game this year. But even though we did beat the Cowboys last year on a new football like 3013 That was fun. But I just,
Joe Malkin:I hate to burst your bubble, but you do have to play Monday Night Football.
Dave Clarke:Really? I thought we didn't have a primetime game this year. Week Seven
Joe Malkin:in New England.
Rob Kelly:Gets the Patriots God. That's,
Dave Clarke:that's on one night. That's a Monday night game
Joe Malkin:against the commander's on October 13. I'm
Dave Clarke:not calling them that I'm calling them Washington football team from the hero of the day we don't know what someone's you know what I didn't look at the schedule but honestly, I read an article it said the primetime streak is over there we're not getting we're not going to primetime game this year but I guess that was wrong so cool. Well, I guess now that thanks that's even worse.
Joe Malkin:Maybe Maybe he was home I mean, you have a Thursday night game but you know maybe
Dave Clarke:it was home maybe it was games at Soldier Field maybe that's worse that's I know it's getting bad news here
Joe Malkin:and and ever fluids can can beat Bill Bella check on in weeks. Yeah, what how do i Who knows? All right, look,
Dave Clarke:I mean, okay, so let's do that. Let's let's you know, if there are any Chicago Bears fans listening on, you're probably in the same boat as me. But let's do some positive days with David Montgomery has had two good seasons, the if the offensive line is built for anything, it's built for run protection. Justin field is really talented. He is going into his second year. We do actually have a proven defensive minded head coach now as opposed to a guy who like was touted as an offensive guru but turned out to be dribbling fucking simpler. Yeah, like Jesus Christ.
Rob Kelly:It was like three in a row. We're like, I'm back. I
Dave Clarke:had nflt give that guy a coloring book. But like, at the end of the day, that's you know, that's what I just had to go through. You think I'd be more optimistic going into this season? I'm I'm actually optimistic about the future. You know, I like the stuff coming out from polls. I like everything. You know, I like everything that's going on as far as as far as the next 10 years goes. But the next season. Jesus good, do good running back though. Yeah, I would still recommend you draft him in your fantasy leagues, because he's one of those guys that gets yards after the first contact. So it's easy, high fantasy upside. Don't bet on the bears to win the division. I'd say they're coming in third.
Rob Kelly:I've been I've been in the boat of good running back though. He should be God. Doesn't doesn't us as the
Dave Clarke:NFL and the NFL progresses away farther and farther from running backs mattering at all?
Joe Malkin:Yeah, that's sort of behind
Dave Clarke:the Viking Vikings Yeah,
Joe Malkin:no way there'll be second left revision. I don't I don't know if you understand there'll be second classification and they might squeak into two plants but i This
Dave Clarke:year I'm not going in optimistic just to get disappointed this year. I'm like you know you guys need to show me something
Joe Malkin:you know going Patriots fan I have to be optimistic about something you're not going
Rob Kelly:wait you're not going you're not going with my Mike McCarthy over Jason Garrett started skating three fucking prediction
Dave Clarke:man and at least any honestly I'll give you this at least ever. flus doesn't clap it doesn't he just like stands there looking miserable. Which is what I want. Yeah, exactly. I
Rob Kelly:want them I'm just happy for you they got you got rid of your Gary we can envision on that packers are winning this division. I don't think there's any doubt about that. Yeah, I don't think Aaron Rodgers
Dave Clarke:is a fucking joke though.
Joe Malkin:All right. Lauren, so the bangles one that division last year. Dave's Dave's gonna go? Because he p COVID.
Rob Kelly:I think so. Maybe? Man does matter. Keep going.
Joe Malkin:I mean, should we wait for him? Because we're about to talk about his wife's team. So
Rob Kelly:maybe he got there he is. Okay, there he
Joe Malkin:is. Hey,
Dave Clarke:where'd you go? I just had to go punch myself in the dick because we had to talk about the Chicago Bears last 10 minutes so I just had to really aggressively punch myself in date. Now my TV Turns On on its own it's some weird setting and it was being loud. So I had to turn off sorry.
Joe Malkin:Oh, I hugged it la house. Gotcha. All right. So the AFC north the bangles obviously won that last year because they went to the Super Bowl with Mr. Joe burrow. And then that the Steelers finished second. The Browns third and the Ravens fourth.
Dave Clarke:I'm so high on the Steelers this year. I think the mistress son they're gonna be might see they're gonna
Joe Malkin:see him that actually you're married to someone.
Dave Clarke:But the mistress sons bro, the maitre Saans is a common it's common to a town near you.
Joe Malkin:Yeah. I thought about that when he got treated now. So if you don't want to think about it,
Dave Clarke:think about it. It's perfect. It's exactly the redemption story. You need Mike Tomlin really good coach. The Pittsburgh Steelers have needed an upgrade at at fucking quarterback for what five years at this point? Yeah, sophomore. Elite running back could go top four in your fantasy draft. They're an absolute fucking highlight factory when they draft guys like they know how to draft skilled players. So whoever they got, I'm sure it's gonna be sick. And Mitch Rybicki. It turned His out was being coached for the entire first few years of his career by I have said it before and I'll say it again a dribbling fucking simpleton in Matt naggy so it wasn't his fault. You got to give him a chance. Give him a chance in an offense like Pittsburgh Come on, think about it.
Joe Malkin:What happened to Ryan Tannehill? Yeah,
Dave Clarke:fucking Ryan Tannehill Mitch Trubisky has had his fucking moments okay. He's had his moments and the mental strength that he has to have to be at where he is right now. And coming off the bench where the fuck was he? He was coming off the bench somewhere last year yeah, Buffalo he had a couple of decent games remember when he had to come in for Josh Allen or like maybe they were up 40 points and he came up with garbage No, it doesn't matter.
Rob Kelly:I think it was week 17 Point B Yeah, we're gonna have
Dave Clarke:Pittsburgh Steelers winning that division this year. What you heard it here first folks on me we're gonna start already here first everybody for your Pro Bowl hangover for the Cincinnati Bengals Pittsburgh Steelers win 12 games and they win the division.
Rob Kelly:Oh my God. They gotta be in neverending battle for the history of the podcast or the Pittsburgh Steelers is that what
Dave Clarke:I married the woman Bobby what do you want me?
Rob Kelly:Commitment bro listen for what was the tone for like for fucking hiding?
Joe Malkin:You know what I'm kind of sold on that skillers Prudential if there was a team and they'll be
Rob Kelly:they'll just do as part of edge it till death do as far as you'll get
Joe Malkin:there. So you know I can get behind that Steelers bet like I might put money on the Steelers to whip up division like that's, that's the first one we've talked about before where maybe? You know, I
Dave Clarke:got some good odds on that
Rob Kelly:had put into 110 to one.
Dave Clarke:I'm fucking betting that after the show. Downtown. 10 to one
Rob Kelly:money now.
Dave Clarke:Same place. Let's do it.
Joe Malkin:Sorry. Sorry. While I'm putting some money down on the Steelers to win the AFC north the Bengals could still win. I don't think the Bengals gonna work. So but I think you could be right about a Super Bowl hangover. I think that's the kind of swagger that team has. I love Joe burrow by the way. Oh, without a doubt with that. I think he's I think he's in the top seven quarterback in the league already. Like he can just slip. Oh my god.
Dave Clarke:I think I can probably name six better quarterbacks than him but I love his attitude. I think he's what I think he's what the Browns thought they were getting with Baker Mayfield. That's who he reminds. Yeah,
Rob Kelly:I agree. I think he is. I think he's at least top 10 at this point. May you can't tell me that. Well, he was just a Super Bowl. So it's hard to argue that's true. I mean, that's it. You can't tell me a guy who led his teams and led them there. Didn't eat better. They adapted didn't. Yeah. 100
Joe Malkin:games back to quarterback.
Rob Kelly:If if if you had any,
Dave Clarke:shall we say win? That's true. We'll
Rob Kelly:listen. Listen, I'll tell you this. If Dak Prescott gets sacked seven times in a playoff game. There's no fucking way we're winning that game. No fucking way. And Joe burrow went out there and beat the cheat was no Titans beat the Titans getting sacked seven times. So
Dave Clarke:and then I lost Super Bowl and I just played a Super Bowl with against the best offensive line of football
Rob Kelly:right and almost won that
Dave Clarke:game and almost won that played that game too.
Rob Kelly:So like yeah, it was I love Dak around his best days. Yeah, he's probably better than jobhero but if the bank was called me up tomorrow or like hey, we'll change your job for debt 10 times out of 10 Give me Give me Joe burrow person
Dave Clarke:on this team right now. I saw a tweet today I gotta tell you that was like what When? When do you guys think that commercial is going to come out where it's Baker Mayfield packing up to go to a different city isn't interested anymore. But then it's open Deshaun Watson comes up and goes hello I just moved in down the street I'm legally required to inform you so didn't burn.
Joe Malkin:You know what? dumpster fire that is still the Cleveland Browns they had so much going for him. They had a good year last year they were eight and nine and a good year. Baker Mayfield they did that franchise did that mentor
Dave Clarke:and you can make me feel sucks dude, let me do something ourselves.
Joe Malkin:It doesn't it sucks that they still did him dirty. They went out and spent a lot to come back and what did he do? Well now he doesn't want to come back when he was done talking about it like they were already talking about bringing in Deshaun Watson so now now they're gonna have a little of it sounds like is that Jacoby perceptions started for eight games and great Pritchard Jacoby percent. I think he had a fine career in Indianapolis in the games that he played in I don't know. He's a Super Bowl winning quarterback
Dave Clarke:and he's He's trash. Let's not do this. He's I
Rob Kelly:love football. I love
Joe Malkin:a like this. This team was on the up. They were moving on. And now they've just brought themselves back down.
Rob Kelly:multiple brands. Yeah, it's so Brown. seem to have to have your first pick right to have this guy. They won their first playoff game. And it was amazing because it just solidified my Stewart's point at the time they won their first playoff game like 20 years right? Save us Don't
Dave Clarke:you see the Steelers were like one like not having Ben Roethlisberger
Rob Kelly:out there. So actually wait. Yeah, before I go into that point, I meant I meant to reiterate off your your point before. I almost agree. I can't because I fucking hate the Steelers. But I I almost agree because I told you guys that entire time. My biggest problem with the fucking Steelers was Ben Roethlisberger and percentage. It's like their defense was good. There was so many good aspects to that team. But you can't fucking win a game if you do can't get you the ball. 100 you just can't
Joe Malkin:totally everybody's got a shelf life and Ben was long past past
Rob Kelly:day he's got he's passing when he so
Dave Clarke:that divisions got to have like the record for
Rob Kelly:we'll call we're calling it the AFC dico for now Ron. I'm sorry.
Dave Clarke:Yeah, UFC sentencing guidelines at
Rob Kelly:AMC cent central but anyways, the book so anyway, so going from the first pick, right in the draft your savior trading for Deshaun Watson, another superstar quarterback. I mean, he's placed that first pick He's awesome. Awesome in football and then having to start start Jacoby percent.
Joe Malkin:He may never play like this the thing about Deshaun Watson he may he may never play again. The NFL is saying and I could be very very wrong about this because there's there's rumors that he's won't be suspended for eight games. There's rumors that suspended for does
Dave Clarke:doesn't he have like 500 charges
Joe Malkin:that'll be settled a number of of them out of court and that doesn't mean that they can't there can still being charged news. Okay. All right. All right. Well, he's like he's been defending himself against us but then he settles like,
Dave Clarke:let's let's be honest, if
Joe Malkin:I settle does that to you guys, before you get to your point, if you spent a lot of court is that an admission of guilt?
Dave Clarke:No, I don't think it's an admission of guilt. I think it's like I don't want to fucking deal with this. I think the clear indication of guilt is the fucking tour bus of people that are accusing him of being fucking creepy. If
Rob Kelly:it's 20 girls if 20 girls come out and say what your dick out a massage and do talk on web to check out you can
Joe Malkin:you might be able to defend yourself against it but not the right
Dave Clarke:two or three is even extreme you know it's like I'm just saying if if Louie CK got fucking canceled for that shit should we really be given Deshaun Watson $100 million
Rob Kelly:like whatever the least. Yeah, don't get me started. Hey,
Joe Malkin:really what we should be saying here we're really what we should be preaching is don't sexually assault people. Well,
Rob Kelly:of course, of course, of course. But if to a 20 People probably and 20 people accuses you of it. Maybe for an NFL franchise. You shouldn't sign him to a seven year to win if Jacoby
Dave Clarke:perset got accused by now many women have whipped his dick out he would not
Joe Malkin:be working in Piggly Wiggly the allocates
Dave Clarke:buckets get you fucking get you you know what's the word? I'm looking for a second chances third chances fifth chances Cena Alright, so
Joe Malkin:So what about the Ravens? Do we always good
Dave Clarke:always always there are there abouts? You know although they can be better
Joe Malkin:this year they were eaten by last year
Dave Clarke:are going to be third and the division
Joe Malkin:so the Browns are probably going to finish last I think battle for the winners. Yeah, maybe.
Dave Clarke:I mean look, I mean, the NFL you know you spend a lot of time talking about the NBA and I think you can drop a guy into the into an NBA team. Have them be a toxic mess. And you can ruin the chemistry of your whole franchise. I think that's a little different in the NFL a there's Shitloads more guys there be so like, obviously your impact isn't going to be as big right? Be some of these franchises they're they're kind of built to take that, you know, punch on the chin. It's like the Celtics had Kyrie Irving. We got past it because we're the Boston Celtics. The Brooklyn Nets have Kyrie Irving Brooklyn Nets are basically fucking brand new. And they're fucked. Right? Obviously because like they're that kind of franchise. I think when you take Deshaun Watson and drop them in Cleveland and already seemingly dysfunctional franchise if they haven't if they're not sticking with the guy that they were back into the fucking Hills for the last few years with the guy that was their future, you know, is protected in his house? Yeah, the guy who lives at the fucking stadium or whatever bullshit, they were coming up with a sell State Farm Insurance, then like, I think they're fucked. I think their franchise is booked and like you said he might not play aim to straight up might not play a game so
Joe Malkin:Could you could you have shot a lots of a trade away? Yeah he's nasty he I mean he's instantly incredible football player but they trade away Baker Mayfield they get a guy who may never play a game they have Jacoby percent who besides being below average
Dave Clarke:in my favorite part of the podcast so far by the way was you doing an impression of a Browns fan talking themselves into Jacoby percent. Like it was like it was the 2020 2021 off season and it was you guys doing that fucking podcast? Who was it was like before you got?
Rob Kelly:Well, you're right. No, no, it was good. Brian Hoyer was Oh Jared stead of Jared.
Dave Clarke:That was my favorite podcast we've ever done to date because like listening to you guys be like so students aren't straight and and like Joe can just get there somehow he's like, I always go should you call me percent like what it's like he's fucking terrible. He's He's honest. He's so bad. It's like these videos. You've seen a Jameis Winston like pumping up his fucking guys like, yeah, it's
Rob Kelly:like he's a real leader. It's
Dave Clarke:like Dude, he's a real leader. He's here the web is a leader at matching his touchdowns with his interception numbers in his season
Joe Malkin:as a leader at most crab legs stolen from a Publix so let's move on to who went to the north Steelers
Rob Kelly:now live for the Bengals where they live this will be a battle to the edge of the pillars baby
Dave Clarke:steel nation.
Joe Malkin:Oh wait he's gonna get love football he's gonna start calling us Ian's so the AFC South
Dave Clarke:add Yang Ling it's really taste
Joe Malkin:Yeah. Like a well not a sponsor could be a will fucking
Dave Clarke:drink it to like every time the league go to Pittsburgh people are like, are you England please? I'm like, oh fuck y'all are about that culture. Okay. Oh, drink it too. I guess whatever. Fuck you. Like you've never heard of culture. Bomb YouTuber hurtling Yingling?
Rob Kelly:I love gangling. Okay, cool hey,
Dave Clarke:well you can't fucking drink it keep talking shit about the Pittsburgh Steelers bro
Joe Malkin:it's equalling sponsors the podcast. We will drink it on the podcast.
Dave Clarke:Because like it because it's a tasty beverage. And it sounds like what you would name like the last panda at a zoo.
Unknown:Engli was that the
Joe Malkin:arguably the worst division? Maybe Titans want to last year to 12 and five colts nine and eight. They have quarterback? The Texans? The Texans and the Jaguars?
Dave Clarke:I don't think the Titans are gonna be that bad. No, I think I don't think they'll win that division probably.
Joe Malkin:I mean, they did lose their top two wide receivers. They still
Dave Clarke:they have a good head coach. They've they've good players like dotted around that dotted around that roster. I mean, do you not think they're gonna win that division? I feel like they will. No, I
Joe Malkin:feel like the Women's Division. I think the Colts got better. And Matt Ryan, me. I think that Ryan is a better option to quarterback and
Dave Clarke:Carlson is still the best running back in football. So
Joe Malkin:yeah, they do.
Rob Kelly:Yeah, no. So that's, that's what it all relies on. Right. Is is it relies on Derrick Henry if Derrick Henry is the derrick are you
Joe Malkin:talking about Derrick Emery? You're talking Taylor.
Dave Clarke:I was talking with Derrick Henry.
Rob Kelly:Yeah, yeah. Okay. If Derrick Henry's Derrick Henry two years ago, the rush for 2000 yards then yet losing AJ Brown? Doesn't matter. But if
Dave Clarke:was he healthy by like week? 13 I think is the big question.
Rob Kelly:Right? And if if teams so the thing is with Derrick Henry is like it doesn't matter if you put fucking eight 910 in the box. He still can fucking bust 80 yards and tear you apart and have torn yards. So you can't really focus in on him. It's just a matter of you know if Ryan Tannehill how much Ryan Tannehill socks that week. You know that's that's really what determines the Titans future man. I think the Colts win this division if I'm being perfectly honest, because they almost I don't know if you guys watched that hard knocks in season chat last year, but Carson Wentz is a fucking joke. Okay, he he's an absolute. He's not a quarterback that you're ever going to win a Super Bowl with this year. He doesn't have the demeanor. There's so many things that he doesn't check off on on the checklist that that Matt Ryan has already checked off. I was I know him the biggest Matt Ryan hater, probably on the podcast. I loved him when he was at BC. But time and time again, he's proven he can't necessarily get to that level. But I promise you he gets to that level more than fucking Carson Wentz can't
Joe Malkin:Well, there's the trees and what they were chasing in Indianapolis when they brought it up brokers, like I feel like they called Phillip rivers tried to get him to come back and said no, and they were like,
Dave Clarke:oh god for that. I don't want to talk about that guy anymore.
Rob Kelly:He ended up as fat but I agree. Yeah, it is the same thing where it's like listen, if these guys can go with that with can come with it. In a devastating maybe one of the worst losses I've literally ever seen in my life when you were 17 Fucking double doing thing I guess. Well, I want money off that so that was good. Yeah, I apologize. But the week 17 loss of Jaguars is literally one of the the worst will concerning the circumstances like this terrible team was bent it was literally the worst team in the NFL been through so much shit this entire season. It has has been to hell in football terms literally To hell with their coach that fucking hates them. And they come in and take your ass week 17 Whoever's leading that team, whoever the quarterback is isn't your guy. And I promise you Matt Ryan is a quarterback and lets you know when that game week 17 So it's like if you can come that close with Carson Wentz. I think your ceiling is a lot higher with a guy like Matt Ryan who who's playing when he's older. He can be in that moment.
Dave Clarke:I know he's older, but he's he is talented. And I feel like what if What if he gets that Matt Stafford bump?
Rob Kelly:That's what I mean. Like listen, you the talent level, strictly talent level between Carson Wentz and Matt Ryan when it comes to throwing the ball. Astronomical right so so it's it seems like there's so many different things that Matt Ryan does better than Carson Wentz. And is when you have a team as talented as Indianapolis is with with Jonathan Taylor with use of linebacker I can't think of a stave off top of my head. He's one of the best linebackers a little young. Darius Leonard, Darius Leonard. Thank you. We're Darius Leonard. quarterback in the defense. It's it's the ceiling is so high compared to last year, you know what I mean? Yes, I think that the Titans are awesome. But their ceiling is is at at maximum 11 games Ryan Tannehill is quarterback. Luke hold ceiling is 13 games 14
Dave Clarke:I still think the Titans are winning the division. I just really like what I can't talk for free. I just think he's a good coach. I think he's gonna be able to manage them for that season. I just I don't seem too cold. Like I do think the bump could happen with Matt Ryan, but like, his last few seasons have been fucking piss poor. Like they really have been bad. They have really bad it has it has to be a really big turnaround for the Colts to have the kind of season you're talking about like a 13 win season with a new quarterback. I don't know man.
Rob Kelly:That's the ceiling that's
Dave Clarke:placed if you play some money on it, you're gonna bet you're gonna bet on fucking Henry just like running through the fucking division, right winning and games 10 games and having them win the division. Right like that's more realistic. I think,
Joe Malkin:you know, the backup quarterback against America. Nick Foles right there with Frank Reich,
Rob Kelly:right? It comes full circle.
Dave Clarke:It's Ryan man. And it's just Matt Ryan in a in an old timey mustache just like sky so
Joe Malkin:I can't talk myself into Annapolis. I'm with Dave again on this one tendency. I think they're just the better team. You talked about the Jaguars and for a second they got better because Doug Peterson is the head coach there and he had success in Philadelphia obviously beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. So
Dave Clarke:fucking douche. Carson was fucking Oh no, no, no, that guy's out there writing books because he won a fucking Super Bowl against Bill Belichick that guy's up fucking tool
Joe Malkin:I guarantee you if you looked up Urban Meyer he's got a book to it who's the bigger douche Urban Meyer or Doug Peterson
Dave Clarke:you can have there's plenty of douche to go around. Well braiders
Joe Malkin:Jacksonville they got the lesser of the douche so they're gonna they're gonna bring
Dave Clarke:him in at that fucking Urban Meyer experiment hmm Jesus Christ.
Joe Malkin:I think they're better for I think the Texas was finished dead last I think the Jaguars six games and I think they finished third and I
Dave Clarke:just want to bring up one more time how insane it is what happened to the Texans to like it was Bobby's point like
Rob Kelly:I'll never I'll never yeah never never in my life left forget it's the biggest
Dave Clarke:collapse in the franchise in any sport I've ever seen.
Joe Malkin:You're gonna be right behind the dude that was but they didn't hit
Dave Clarke:the heights of being ahead
Rob Kelly:the Texas grew up in a playoff game winning seven to nothing by 20
Dave Clarke:points against the fucking sheets and blowing it and then having their whole franchise crumbled. Now listen, Texas is a state is is taken away civil rights so they can all go fuck themselves but hilarious, however is looking to like just demolition control the demolition?
Rob Kelly:Yeah, it's it's, it's it's unbelievable how low they are. Now that's what boys it was him it is like it has so much talent you So think back to the Texans, right. Remember when they had Watson Hopkins will follow will follow
Dave Clarke:It who could have been a top five wide receiver if he wasn't meeting last,
Rob Kelly:right? Who did have that JJ Watt. They hadn't Jadeveon Clowney, like you go up and they're stacked. It's Raizy how high everybody was like, fuck this, we're out of here.
Joe Malkin:Well, the biggest thing is when JJ Watt is like pizza, that's, that's when that's when I get a trade of Hopkins was bad. And that was a Bill O'Brien special, which that guy's insane. But I still take him as the offensive coordinator anyway. But when JJ Watt was like, get me out of here, that that's when it's all yours. And I think it's gonna get worse. As long as McNair is the owner of that team. I don't think they
Dave Clarke:relate better to Shawn, what about you? What do you think of all these guys leaving and he's like one of somitic
Joe Malkin:Give me a massage. So anyway, one last question by the end of the NFC step. Speaking of picks, like Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 13. And for last year, the New Orleans Saints who have a new head coach, the Atlanta Falcons and the Carolina Panthers, who are horrid, and Matt roll is probably not a good NFL head coach. What do we think?
Dave Clarke:I mean, I'm just like, I was just like to go on record like I'm actually kind of like a late stage Tom Brady defender when it comes to like people shitting on him because I know he's like been in your face and like it's been oversaturated but he is like, the greatest quarterback ever play the game and like, I am trying to be a little bit of a sports atheist when I say like, we're lucky to have been in an era where we seen that and it was like, you know, we saw greatness, whatever to retire and like make me make my whole social media feed the fucking like victory lap of Tom Brady's career, and then you just be like, fuck it. Nevermind. JKL Well, it's just like, okay, so what you're telling me is I have to hear about Tom Brady for another season. He's probably going to do pretty well. I don't see them winning another shotgun championship, but who fucking knows? I mean, that would honestly be hilarious. I wouldn't even mind seeing that. But then he's going to retire again. And we're going to have to go through another round of like sports center tonight Pantone where he the moment was, I mean, one could talk to me about what he was like as a teammate in 2003. Fucking whatever, you know, like retire or don't retire. Like it's just so fucking annoying. Um, well, just this is not a secret. It's not the same thing though. Is it? Because it's like it's Tom fucking Brady, right? Like, it's to the point where I've been playing the UFC game lately and like, you know, the way when you're playing a video game and like that you start to rehear the commentary all the time. John Anik makes a fucking Tom Brady reference and even that's pissing me off because I've heard it like 30 times now while I'm like fighting in the fucking little virtual game anyway, whatever. Point being the Bucs are probably still gonna win that division. I don't know if you guys disagree.
Rob Kelly:I don't think it's probably I think it's almost as certain as the bills winning the AFC East there's the there's there's no one look at this division. Man Dennis Allen. Jayson look at it. It's we're the only reason this division is in great shape. I carry resurgence.
Joe Malkin:But that's it stay with
Rob Kelly:a when you're relying. So what's let's let's just talk about the quarter we're going to talk about teams, right? We're just going to stick to one position here. Coach Jameis baby. We got Tom Brady. We got Jameis Winston, we got who the fuck knows and Carolina and we got who who's him quarterback in Atlanta now.
Joe Malkin:Marcus Mariota
Rob Kelly:Marcus Mariota bro. Joe Joe
Dave Clarke:Joe Do you the thing about Marcus Mariota that you?
Joe Malkin:win market share
Dave Clarke:is given given the Jarren Duran that I'm treating
Joe Malkin:with Marcus Mariota came on board and he was he was really good. I mean, he was the next big thing and intelligence logs
Rob Kelly:average quarterbacks the artistry
Joe Malkin:pretty good. When when he came in for Derek Carr in Oakland slash Las Vegas, he had some good showings, especially out of that cat formation. They would run really good. I
Rob Kelly:think Brett really are good at that. I'd say Well, let's look one of your most talented things is Tate I wish we had back on
Dave Clarke:I wish we had this podcast in a bedroom today. I wish we had this podcast like 2003 So Joe could do like no guys Chad Pennington is not that bad.
Joe Malkin:No Joey Harrington will WIBs
Dave Clarke:honestly I think he was one of the best throwers of the ball under eight yards I've ever seen anybody
Rob Kelly:go back Elvis go back in the right system, bro.
Joe Malkin:Seriously, seriously about the Falcons. Kyle Pitts could very easily make Marcus Mariota look like like Joe. Joe Naima. I don't know. Like he could look make that guy look really good. Like he really could. And I'm being actually dead serious about that. But there's no way and landmines gonna be like that's the stupidest that's listen. Dennis Allen being hired as a head coach in New Orleans. It's a bad decision. Arthur Smith being hired by Atlanta. You guys know how I feel about that. I think Raheem Morris should have been the head coach in Atlanta the whole time but regardless, this division belongs to Tampa. It's
Dave Clarke:I think I think they probably would have won if Brady didn't even come back to be honest.
Joe Malkin:Probably Probably. Honestly they probably could have who's their backup quarterback and is it still Mike laminate
Rob Kelly:knows Gabbard?
Dave Clarke:I don't play with it, Joe, but tell us
Rob Kelly:Yeah, this is this is this is football season at its finest right here. I want to like let's talk about Blaine Gabbert for a second. We get we can get into that
Joe Malkin:we can we can talk about anything like football. Alright, so we got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers winning that division two more divisions to go through let's go through the NFC West games. Yeah, I think it's the Rams as well. I don't think the Cardinals got any worse. I think they're still gonna be in that playoff conversation in the NFC. I think the 40 Niners I don't know what they're doing out there. But I think that could be a pretty big I don't know. Hey,
Dave Clarke:hey guys. How's it How's Jimmy G doing? Great. He's, he's, he's healthy. He's finally healthy. Oh, good. Oh, good. He's healthy. So you can finally trade them right. Guys? Guys, he's healthy. Finally trade them right. Wait, where'd you go? You're all you're not trading them again. Okay, that's fucking weird.
Joe Malkin:So he allowed him as a choice like Tony said he can see country,
Rob Kelly:you know, that tells me is trade they can't find a trade. Or that's that's paying them money or grade that it's the money you want to restructure? Yeah, it's when you look at this division.
Dave Clarke:What they should have just gone with Drew lock out of the jump, don't you think? Like, I feel like, like, you may try. Let's I mean, trailheads Yeah, like they should like they should have just done that so that they could start to move in that direction. As opposed to like, be doing that, like, sit on the fence. You know, here we are. Maybe we can make a run with Jimmy OH, his contract sucks. Whatever. Just bite the bullet that season. Bite the bullet on his contract that season and then you're in good shape right now?
Rob Kelly:Yeah, they should they should have traded him if if they were ready to move on. If they thought Jimmy wasn't dancer after that Super Bowl. Don't blame them. You missed that throw. That's literally the reason they lost that game. There though. Me
Joe Malkin:he wasn't ready. So exactly. It wasn't Kyle Shannon, because he was definitely I think it was John Lynch because Lynch put a lot into that kid. And he he, I mean, he didn't trade away a lot. But it's kind of that Bill Belichick mindset. I'm only using that because that's the best comparison. I take
Dave Clarke:a shot every time Joe uses build other shapes as a metaphor. Yeah.
Joe Malkin:When we kill Harry, like, honestly, he shouldn't have gotten even a seventh round pick for him. He should have released them at least a season ago. But instead, he offloaded them and got anything he could. And I think it's the same thing with Jimmy G. I think John Lynch traded assets away from this guy paid him a lot of money. And now he's like, Well, now now he's a prized possession. I can't I can't throw him away.
Dave Clarke:So Hindsight is 2020 I feel like when he signed that contract, like nobody was like, oh my god, like there was definitely questions about his durability, but like when he signed that contract, like every fucking Patriots fan in New England wouldn't shut the fuck up about like, what are we going to get Juji back like he should be the guy like you know, people a lot of people would have paid him a lot of people would have paid him that right like when when he when he signed that contract No, no pay them now. Sure. But like, how come in football there isn't trades like in basketball where somebody goes like alright, we'll take that shitty Jimmy G contract off your hands but you got to like give us some other shit. You know, like we'll eat that salary but like let us get some like draft picks or some shit.
Joe Malkin:The way the cap is formed. I think it's part of the CBA weird there's
Dave Clarke:you're stuck you're stuck in the NFL when you have a contract like this like you're fucked if nobody believes in them.
Joe Malkin:Then the FL pa wants to get their guys paid. Yeah.
Dave Clarke:It's a brother. Those guys get it done like the fucking owners so like their careers
Rob Kelly:can change so much faster too though. That's that's that's really good. It's like Jimmy G can go quarterback though. Yeah, but Jim, Jimmy G quarterback. What? Yeah, Where? Where? You know what I mean? Where it's like his age.
Joe Malkin:We get Alex Smith. Well, you know, yeah, right.
Dave Clarke:I guess my point is it would be more it would be a more fun offseason if you could do shit like that.
Rob Kelly:It would be a great dress.
Joe Malkin:What's funny is is like one big comparison news. You know, not not only Alex Smith, but to kind of solidify your point is look at Gordon Hayward. I mean, shattered his ankle came back and and now he's a pretty good basketball player for the for Charlotte. So I mean, you know, he came at least to a point he's not
Dave Clarke:so on my all time Celtics draft team. So
Rob Kelly:yeah, I standard Nbd NBA.
Joe Malkin:To Bobby's point, that's exactly what it is. Guys get injuries like that in the NFL and they can't play the same way. just by the way
Dave Clarke:if you're listening to this because you only listen to football content I don't think that Gordon Hayward is an all time Celtic we did do a Celtics draft and it was a state champs.
Rob Kelly:Last pick one of the best songs of all time Parker Gordon
Dave Clarke:Hayward to it though listen to it show notes thank
Joe Malkin:you yes if you like basketball and you're like Celtic show notes go over and listen to our draft on the six months so that was six or seven right
Rob Kelly:but to have talked right cut that off listen to either one of them barriers to some of that division It's the fucking bucks right now we move where the west the random otherwise yeah my bad WHAT'S THE FUCK MY talking about what the fans are gonna win that it's the Rams right it's the rents the team that beat the Bucs last year if I was if the Rams there's no arguing about that. You know what I mean? Is like even if Trey Lynch is the start of the Ford Motors don't have a fucking chance. If Jimmy G is a starter that Ford Niners have like 10% chance to win that division. Either way it's
Joe Malkin:too good man. I mean Shawn they're really good coaches
Rob Kelly:a guy and and Alan Robinson so that fuck off it's
Dave Clarke:like show he might be done.
Joe Malkin:I think he might be done too but if he's done is a third wide receiver
Dave Clarke:No no no not at all. But he kind of plays like a like a wide receiver one though. If that makes sense. Like like I think you're gonna get the most out of them if he's if he's a wonder I mean, this might be wishful thinking on my part and I hope he fails. I just
Rob Kelly:I just see a universe I never have time to you know, welcome football season. I'm sorry. I just see universe that Alan Robinson three times next year we five we live in week 16 where he goes seven for one ad and two touchdowns because there's not been put in even the requisite weeks you may have one catch 13 yards Yeah, but there's got to be those couple of weeks for that old Alan Robinson comes out because
Dave Clarke:there's a third but the third best fucking defensive back
Joe Malkin:right? Yeah. Now the rams have the best team in that division. I mean, even even just looking at the other quarterbacks like short Kyler Murray like if you can get his head on straight and they're good at that team isn't bad, you know? Let's see could be a lot though. I think they will be no better your other two quarterbacks are Trey lands and drew Locke not sold. So the final division division to go over is the AFC West
Dave Clarke:Joe's like I'm not sold on those two guys because they're not shitty enough.
Joe Malkin:I can make an argument for true luck. I like Drew.
Dave Clarke:I like to like to actually I can't wait for him to be exactly the kind of quarterback that you love and like for years,
Joe Malkin:so the antsy West, I think was up. It's the Chiefs the chiefs, you're gonna win. I think the Chiefs got worse and I think the Raiders got better I think it's gonna be a dogfight. No, come
Dave Clarke:on.
Joe Malkin:It's gonna be a dogfight.
Dave Clarke:I love it was Tyreke hill they still not looking mahomes do.
Joe Malkin:That's, that's great. That's great that listen, I was I was the one who demolished Josh McDaniels on this podcast for how he was calling plays and running the offense in New England. I think I think he's gonna be an outstanding head coach in Las Vegas, and I think he's just the right guy to go and beat the chiefs.
Dave Clarke:Let me tell you something about the coaching position in Las Vegas. You couldn't have gotten worse. Okay? There was no going down in the coaching spine for Las Vegas.
Joe Malkin:Jon Gruden.
Dave Clarke:Listen, I'm honestly just disappointed that that theme it's through line isn't going to be present this coming season and by the way, like how you guys didn't fully fucking agree with me. I mean, I know I was vindicated hard in the end, but how you didn't agree with me. The man is a simpleton. He is a fucking idiot. I you know, you know how I know. I'm in the world. And I see the world for what it is. I've I've gone through my career as you guys have gone through your career, and you've looked at people in high positions and gone like wow,
Rob Kelly:you failed up, huh? Oh,
Dave Clarke:thank you fucking baboon, like Jon Gruden and like the fact it's almost disappointing to me. This is my last ever Jon Gruden railers you guys say long last it's almost disappointing to me that he got like canceled for being a racist because I really was sure he was gonna get fired on his own merit. It was looking that way to to give him that contract it's just irresponsible I'll never forgive the ownership and front office office of the of the Oakland Raiders. And I don't think that that can be is very focused smart either because I thought it was a it was a fucking pair of idiots running the fucking mortuary down there and I just they have a cool stadium. Don't get me wrong, but Las Vegas is a fucking hellhole and I hope they never ever succeed. The Chiefs are gonna win that division. They're gonna win the division by three games at least come on. Let's be honest,
Joe Malkin:I'm gonna say the Raiders just to just to go back and forth with you because Bobby's got the that's established now let's do it. We're establishing and now I think the Raiders win that division also do that I gave you now Oh, baboons apology that was very that was very mean to
Dave Clarke:bet sure they're smarter than Jon Gruden. That's,
Rob Kelly:I would say. So I do agree I think chiefs win this division because no matter how much we all talk about it no matter how much we all think that certain things are more important than this more important than that, you know, offensive line. Quarterback is fucking King, man. Period. It doesn't matter how much we try and drive any other nail into the fucking ground or how much we try to do all this other shit. Patrick mahomes is the greatest and he's so good. So it really doesn't matter. All these other revolving parts around him was Tom Brady made mache Caldwell in all pro wide receiver. Okay, Tom Brady made Jabari Jabari Gaffney, and I'll provide your email air Aaron Dobbins had a fucking three week span. All right, listen, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's Patrick mahomes. And the other point it which leads right into it is the only team that's going to challenge him is the chart because they
Dave Clarke:know they're gonna come second.
Rob Kelly:They also possibly have maybe a top three Justin Herbert is unbelievable. I don't know if you guys I've seen it since unbelievable. He's He's so good.
Dave Clarke:Unbelievable. It's almost as if you have a talent for hyperbole. They're unbelievable. He's been really good with I know, but we're thrown around forget and we're thrown around. So voted.
Rob Kelly:No. Because if you look at the things he does so unbelievable, actually, is he?
Dave Clarke:I think that they're young and their talent and I think they're gonna become 72nd in that division. But like Patrick mahomes is unbelievable,
Rob Kelly:but I honestly think Herbert has that kind of talent. He does because if you look at the throw he made I forget what Campbell was, but I've never seen a ball thrown farther in my life and more accurate. I think it was against the Raiders. I don't know. But he threw he threw. Anyways, Justin Herbert is an unreal talent you I think he's really good. I think they made some great moves this offseason. So it's excellent. And Khalil Mack, if anyone is for what what was the DECA? What round pack?
Dave Clarke:We had we had to get him off the books. What do you want to do? If anyone knows how to rebuild as a rebuild, you know,
Rob Kelly:anyone challenging them? is charged paranoid just
Dave Clarke:got sad again.
Rob Kelly:I know. I know I did.
Joe Malkin:Now we're all sad. If you were keeping track of who our division limits are. Thank you. We're glad that you did because we did not. But that was our first rundown of Yes,
Rob Kelly:don't hold me to any opinion. I sat on
Dave Clarke:it. Yeah. It's I'm doing the Steelers thing all season again, everybody.
Rob Kelly:Oh, yeah. Can't wait.
Joe Malkin:So looking at the this show, this is the first the first NFL show of the 2022 season. We have a lot more to come and make sure you go listen to the shows that are down in the show notes that we referenced during this show, because but listen to this one first. And if you got to this point, you've already listened to it. So thank you for joining us here on missing the point, MTP he's the real BK Bob Kelly. He's DK sizzle Dave Clarke Rhodes one more thing to say.
Dave Clarke:Oh, sorry. I just wanted I just wanted to jump in and say, I know that the summer is tough for sports. And I really appreciate everybody's still listening, especially if you've made it this far in this episode, but definitely keep your ears tuned to missing the point. Because we might have some really exciting announcements coming up. So yeah, like stay tuned. I know that summer is a bit of a drought. Whoa, I promise we'll make it fun for you. So just just keep listening. We got some we got some cool things in the pipeline.
Joe Malkin:We always have stuff to talk about and always have games to play. We will continue playing them for Bob Kelly, Dave Clarke. I'm Joe Malkin. We will talk to you next time.