Revisiting the 2004 New England Patriots
The Patriot Way: The 2004 New England Patriots' Journey to a Dynasty
Ready to rewind the clock and revisit the unforgettable year of 2004? We've got a ticket to that thrilling time when the Boston Red Sox clinched the World Series, the Athens Olympics mesmerized us, and Facebook made its first appearance in our lives. Strap in as we travel back to the era of the iconic New England Patriots and their remarkable 18-game winning spree, the perfect embodiment of the Patriot way.
We'll navigate you through the 2004 NFL season, shedding light on the New England Patriots' strategic maneuvers that propelled them to success. From their thoughtful acquisitions to their unforgettable game against the New York Jets, we'll decode the Patriots' legend. As we delve deeper into the AFC/NFC 2004 playoff teams and the memorable Patriots v. Colts AFC Championship game, we'll also touch upon the rule-changes triggered by this intense face-off.
Ever wondered how the narrative of the 2004 Super Bowl could have been altered by social media? Let's contemplate that together as we examine the Philadelphia Eagles and their uphill struggle. We'll also reflect on the Patriots' triumphant Super Bowl victory and their transformative impact on Boston sports, as the Dynasty became offical. Wrapping up, we'll engage in a lively discourse on the power of disagreement and excitement in sports, and how the Patriots' success heralded a change in Boston's sports culture. So, are you ready to take this exhilarating journey back in time?
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TIMESTAMPS
0:06 The Dominance of the 2004 Patriots
11:07 Recapping the 2004 Patriots Season
24:18 2004 Playoff Teams in AFC/NFC
33:44 Patriots vs. Steelers Game Discussion
46:51 Philadelphia Eagles' Big Game History
50:47 Super Bowl Victory and Aftermath
1:02:11 2004 Patriots Impact on Boston Sports
1:06:30 Expressing Disagreement and Excitement in Sports
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Bob Kelly:
Welcome everyone to another edition of championship rewrap. It's official, it's back Full blown. You know, no name change nothing. All right, we are just back as the championship rewrap. I'm here with Ray Sean Buchanan you know Hollywood Ray, as always and Mr Michael Mark Angelo. How we doing tonight, boys.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Good man I'm excited to relive the glory days.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah.
Michael Marcangelo:
It's been a rough and present day so it's good to go back. So you know when things are good.
Bob Kelly:
Rough rough. As you know, we'll get into this later. It's our relative Rough is a very relative term when it comes to being annoying, and there's a good reason why. So we'll get started on that note. So, 2004 guide I just want to put everyone you know kind of in the time machine. You know everyone. Step in. We're going back in time. Rick and Morty just showed up, we're zipping on back. It's 2004. I don't know At some events here, just to kind of give everyone you know a little rundown of what it actually was like in 2004. So, first of all, so September 2004, or I guess October, something important happened in Boston. Not sure if anyone's heard of it before Hashtag Yankees Blue 3.0 lead Red Sox World Series. That's 2004. Listen to the championship rewrap 2004 episode Sean Oates, who knows, 2004 Athens Olympics happened. I was trying to fit. Is that the Michael Phelps Olympics? No right, that's before.
Michael Marcangelo:
No, no, beijing, Beijing Right. The US basketball team lost to Colosseo Rio, the Greek.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, that was bad. That's another show, that movies came out this year Shrek 2. Spider-man 2. Incredibles, oceans 12. Tv is a little bigger than the movies that year. House debuted in 2004. Wow, friends went off the air. So we have a big show coming up, maybe the biggest TV show ever Come for a big sick, I guess. Music, yeah, by Usher, the way you move, the way you move outcast, which were just my jams back in the day, bro, those were my two j ups, piece up eight. And lastly, guys, I hope everyone's ready Two things the. This is what it was titled. The Facebook was launched in 2004. It was titled the Facebook and you had to have a at EDU email address to sign up for it. A little fun fact for all you young ins out there now.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Unless you were invited by a friend in college. Yeah right.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, I forgot about that little loophole. That's so funny Because there is like oh, bro, you're senior in high school, you have a baseball. What I remember that's like Wow Word. Iphone was not a thing on the planet Earth. It had not existed yet. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to 2004.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
In Christ Right.
Michael Marcangelo:
No, the razor was the best phone at that time. The razor, sure, yeah, and the razor, oh, it's Seymour the psychic, but it was there, remember that.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Or the or the, the LG shock Someone, someone, someone someone's someone sold phones back in the day.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, she had LG shock.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yes, Something variety. Yeah, wow, yeah, wow. Definitely the time machine. You did forget once the one song this is I want to bring up. So I'm probably the most unlikely to bring this up, but I listened to everything, as we all do. Green Day we have was it's 10 friends was nice.
Bob Kelly:
That was that whole album, right American.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and we're, we're being called.
Bob Kelly:
We know we weren't even in college.
Michael Marcangelo:
We're still.
Bob Kelly:
We're still pressing high school fresh, high school like sophomore fresh I was. I was junior, I had pimples all of them. See, now that we're back in 2004, because I talk like this now, um, yeah, we would go right into the Patriots. You know, we got everything that's kind of happened in the world at this time beginning of the season the Red Sox, the champions, and it just feels like at this time, you know, once, once the sauce, so the pads, got there to before the socks got the one, once the socks got the one, it kind of just felt like, you know, we were like that, that, that that cloud of darkness that was around Boston for all these years had finally been lifted and this Patriots team kind of felt like the reason why that that ultimately got lifted. The first two, you know, and this third one was, you know, I dare to say, the most dominant of all the Patriots Super Bowls. Out of all of them Just a quick recap for you guys 14 and two. This, this was. This was the team that had the streak of 18 consecutive wins which got snapped against the Steelers and then it smoked in the playoffs. Well, I mean, they, they, this team, this team was, up and down, just the best out of all of them. It was the pay. To me, it was the epitome of the Patriot way. Just just one thing. That Tyler got hurt in this season Doesn't matter. Troy Brown comes in and plays corner. So just a little of what this team actually was, but go ahead. What do you remember about it?
Rayshawn Buchanan:
So I just remember after the 2003, like at the end of the 2003 season, you kind of felt like, well, this team's, this team's a wagon Right 2003,. They added Rodney Harrison. They still had tie. Law Brady was starting to come into his own, but that defense was just was. It was elite. And the one thing that you thought that they were missing in the game was a was a rushing attack. Oh, so they just they go and trade for Corey Dylan for a second round. It could be a sort of or who just spent the last seven years just drowning in mediocrity in Cincinnati. I mean, they never even sniffed a playoff game and you figure they get him. And then the draft wasn't great, but the top two spots were, I mean, will Fork and Ben Watson. Those two were instant, instant collaborators and contributors to 2004. I just felt like going into that, into that season it would be, it would be hard to stop them. And it all started opening night. When you get to what, you get Peyton Manning on prime time opening night and you get to see the Peyton Manning face back, when the Peyton Manning face was not a happy one, it was just a great starts the year it back back when Peyton Manning, not being able to get past fellow check in the Patriots was like his, his legacy, defining what he was.
Bob Kelly:
He was like the Dan Marino of this generation before he won that Super Bowl because of it. Yeah, I mean, ray Schontt, I already went over. You know this team was depicting me the Patriot way up and down. You know, next man, up, whole, whole, every every Patriots cliche you can think of, pretty much, were solidified with this 2014. What do you remember?
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, I think this is just when they solidified themselves as the team of the 2000s. Obviously, there were some other defining moments that happened later on that decade. I'm sure we'll get into some other point but yeah, they, you know, for a team that ended up winning 21 straight I think I won at one point 18 in the regular season and obviously you know Brady and Bill had been undefeated together in the playoffs up into that moment. So like, yeah, they they were. They were a juggernaut, to say the least, and you know this was the culmination of becoming, you know, the original dynasty. Thankfully, there was more to come, but at that moment it was just like, wow, like this, this team is really come a long way from the. You know Steve Hogan, steve Vorgans and Andre Tippets and Stanley Morgan's. You know teams that our parents watched and, you know, always told us that they wouldn't get there. They did get there. They were going to get smoked, because, you know they got smoked the Super Bowl 20. They got beat in Super Bowl 31. So it just seemed to be a thing that you know you can get there and you can have success, but it wouldn't always come together. The way to shoe and vision. So this was the first team that we did our generation could wrap our arms around of, so, so to speak. And yeah, they, they dominated in every way, and it was on display once again, now for a season.
Bob Kelly:
I just want to also kind of rewind a little bit to remind everyone of, you know, we keep saying they had won two out of three up until this point. Remember, the year before this day, one of the most underrated Super Bowl in the history of Super Bowls, against the Panthers. At this point we're all kind of wondering what was, what was the going to be the identity of this team moving forward. You know, because they had the 01 season where they were scrappy and they didn't really well know. One season kind of played above their means. And then 02 happened and they went right back into what we thought they were average, mediocre, we'll have to mistake slots, stupid turnovers, and then 03 happens and they're just dominant. We're like man, is that that could be special? That could really be special. Because that's when you started to see the inner workings of like just hall of fame. Caliber players start coming out where it's no longer. You know. When you see the scores on Sunday, you know I go like, oh man, cool, the Patriots one. You're like, of course, the Patriots one, that one, but 40, you know, I mean that's. That's when this started to happen, where it started to turn from like an undocked story into like bro, these guys are just dominated NFL. I don't want to spend too much time in the regular season. Good, this is already the third one we've done on this team and it's literally the same core, same regular season speech we have. I just think the biggest moment I think personally about the regular season to me was the Steelers game. They lost for two reasons specifically because you know a little firearms of their ass. They kind of woke them up a little bit that they're not perfect and they do, they can actually be beat. And then the injury to tie a lot and Tyrone pool in that game is the most memorable thing of that team to me because, like I said, they epitomized the Patriot way and for, for for guys like an undrapped, was he undrafted? or second rounds of Santi Samuel I want to say, having played Troy Brown being back there. Lucky Jones played this season. Am I right about that?
Michael Marcangelo:
No, that was that's. I think he was all one. I think you played in time. That was Eugene Wilson.
Bob Kelly:
Randall Gay. Randall Gay.
Michael Marcangelo:
Randall Gay and Troy Brown. Yes.
Bob Kelly:
But Troy Brown is the period. He is the Patriot way when you think Patriot way is Troy Brown. In this season was the show epitome of that I do.
Michael Marcangelo:
I do think the Christopher game is important because, obviously, of what the game meant, it what they. They end up being someone they were going to see down the line or they felt that it was going to be a team that you see down down the line with, you know, with their record record back in time, roblesberger. But I do think, going back to the season right before the draft, I think really was the move that really set up what it was to. Once again, when you go for skin to two, there's not many things you need to tweak as a team. You just have to make sure that you stay healthy and that you guys have the same hunger coming back. So what are they doing? The season? Once again, they lose my guy, ants from Smith. He has a boy elsewhere. I don't know if you've ever tried, but you might want elsewhere. Then you know, you bring in a guy who was the best running back of this era. Regardless of the W other episodes that we'll talk about, there's not a running back that touches the guy that I'm about to bring up. Corey Dillon was maybe the other 20 that popped up, james White, but we're good to that.
Bob Kelly:
But uh, corey Dillon Robert Edwards, but Robert Edwards no he wouldn't have been if he didn't do deep, cut deep.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yes, yeah, If you didn't share this. You know playing fucking beach volleyball, but that's what's the game. I don't want to get upset this early in the show. But, um, no, listen, Corey Dillon comes in. I mean basically, yeah, he had a big effort three or four seasons, but that 04 season comes in and really set the tone right. Obviously they already had a well oil machine, but he was. He was coming in hungry and this became a trend right. This became a trend at that time when there was grabbing other people from other teams that had it won, had a veteran presence, was ready to win the run.
Bob Kelly:
Harris to the world.
Michael Marcangelo:
Obviously you know. So that that was, that was that next move and it, you know that's. That's when everyone was saying man, bill is playing chess, where everyone's playing checkers, and at the time, to get Dylan the assistant daddy for a second round pick, it was just like yo, like what, what, what a steal. So that he gave that office up a day that they haven't had then and really have been has since. I know you know well they're present dates and you know, turn it back up 2023, the running back position is the value, but back to 2004. That's when that position was really at a premium. So him, curtis Martin, I'm expecting to tell him this career. You know I'm trying to think someone's talking my head, but those, those are guys I think I think about my guy in Green Bay. Green was really good at that time, like there was a lot of guys that were playing portas. Yeah yeah, clean portas was another one. There was a running back error.
Bob Kelly:
Bro. 04 was a lot of guys out to LT, lt, lt.
Michael Marcangelo:
Or I'm a split that was up in Minnesota so there was a lot of guys that really were killing it at that position. So for Bill to get one of those premier guys and for him to become the focal point I think the year before he had a hundred and like five carries. He comes here and 04 it gets 345 carries but 635 and just becomes a man back there. So I just think that was a point on the label, that that's when he started really play chess and not checkers.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
But last opposite week we can do this for the Pittsburgh game in my opinion Also like that Pittsburgh game that was, that was a team that was, that was scary right Because they were coming out of the Cordell Stewart slash Tommy Maddix experience and yeah, and he was the OG OG, kurt Warner for everyone, in case you're wondering. Right, they got a rookie quarterback, I think that's 15 and one that year and they were the only team up to that point. That that put a scare and obviously they give us a loss. They broke that. They broke the the winning streak, but it was an ugly, ugly game that we never ever had control of, like not to rip off a wrestling thing, but that was that. That was like Halloween havoc, like there was nothing good about watching that game and the fact that that they law that they were down. You know they lost what. It was 3420. That was finals four, but it never felt that close and for a team that hadn't faced that much adversity in so long, you wondered what it was going to do and I think that what you saw after that, I think it was like a six game winning streak. So it was. It was fine, but that that game that was that was that was a Rottlesburgers coming out party and I think it really really kind of set the table for the playoffs.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, it's fine that that game I. I remember it because you're right. You're really against us? Of course I wasn't yet, not yet. Not, it didn't happen until the perfect season where I started to resent everyone. So but I remember this specifically because the week before they kind of played like shit to against the Jets. They only won like 137, 147, something like that. It was one of those Tom Brady doesn't really look that crazy, missing the throws, dylan's grinding away on the. It was a Jets past the same Jets past game we had this year that ratio went to where there was no touchdowns in the entire same right and and it seemed like a bad trend and then for them to come out and answer you're completely right. I think the next week they beat I think it was Bill. It was like 40 to 21 or something crazy.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
It was, it was, it was the Rams, it was 4022.
Bob Kelly:
There we go, there we go, and that just started off for the rest of the year. Notables for the season. You guys to have anything else to add for the regular season. I mean we can, we can get into the ground.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
If you think about everything that, like Ray and I just talked about this, you know we deal it in the well oiled machine. That game, I think the Patriots ran the ball six times for five yards because Corridil was hurt and play that game so it was all on breathing. It was what. There was one of the first times and it was one of many to come when it was, when everything was on him and he looked like you said Bobby could ask you he was like 25 of 43, for it wasn't. It was like 250 yards and through two picks, but he did not look good.
Michael Marcangelo:
And then he. But he had plenty of those games early on, right, and I think this is this is the season where you see him become what he ends up becoming later on in his career. Really, from that point on we'll talk about that, you know, and play after this. Some players that I think, when it comes to mind, he started to show his prowess and show that he wasn't just a guy, but he was going to be the guy not just for, not just for the right now and 04, but for the remainder of his career. But I think for me it was really. It was the Baltimore game. I think the final score was for the Baltimore game, but I remember 24. Yeah so, but Baltimore, I mean I know their quarterback was really weird after the trend of four years and how bold or that he was involved. Oh, so I thought it was the Anthony Wright.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I thought it was Anthony Wright, Sorry but I thought it was Elvis, elvis, elvis Durbach.
Michael Marcangelo:
So God's sakes, no, no, no, no, no no, no, I thought, I thought, I thought he was before, but I remember playing, obviously, but Durbach was the year after Delphi, yeah, but Baltimore had always, you know, they had always scared me because you know, with you know longest 20 was back there, as long as 52 was out there, like it was always. He was just about to be the, the matting cover. Remember when that was a real big thing, he was on a matting cover.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
They couldn't find the way to.
Michael Marcangelo:
Oh, but um yeah, so yeah, it's like, well, allegedly right. But they couldn't bite it. Yeah, no, listen, I'm not getting into that, but I was, I was, I used to be nervous with Baltimore, but they, definitely they always played this hard. So when they, when they ended up beating them, and then at the day and it was smacking the jets for the second time, or at the house, I'm like, okay, like they, they seem prime, they're ready for the playoffs. It just a matter of what seeded they got her being, I think I know they handed me the two seats of Baltimore. I'm not Baltimore. Uh, pittsburgh was, you know one and they lost the sidebreaker. So, but you know, we later on found out that, you know, whenever they had to buy, you know, most likely they were going to at least get to the championship game. They're not suitable. So this kind of, this kind of set that up for future, future ones.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, so the I completely just forgot what I was going to say. Oh yeah, so I think what, what really kind of sums everything up, is like this is this is like the return of the Jedi, of the Patriots. First three Super Bowls, where it's like the final chapter is everything kind of came together for this team, for me, and that's what Dylan did where it was like oh one was scrappy defense, staying in the games of the end, find a way to win. Oh three was defense, defense, defense, defense, defense, defense, defense. Little bit of time break. Yeah, it was a 90.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Except for the Super Bowl, where it was offense and second half.
Bob Kelly:
Well, yeah, which is ridiculous, but the village is the fourth quarter. That oh greatest fourth quarter ever. That oh three teams defense was just amazing. But now this oh four team is the same defense with the same running game, same offensive line. That will made Antoine Smith and do a pro bowler, who was not a pro bowler before he came to New England. Let's set that record straight. Not even close to a pro bowler. It was okay, but he wasn't great. And you replace him with a top three running back in the NFL and you have wide receivers like the on branch. You have wide receivers like David Givens. You have what we've given, jeff, was this givens, yeah, givens, yeah, givens was my guy.
Michael Marcangelo:
I love it. I can't believe we haven't brought up the on branch yet, but continue. That guy was incredible. Yeah, you guys, yeah, oh, my God.
Bob Kelly:
Well, that's like, yeah, that's cool. You think about how the offensive weapons evolved even before coming into this team is like it went from Troy Brown who else was even the wide receivers back in the day that one team David Patton, christian Christian for me Right.
Michael Marcangelo:
Jermaine Williams yeah, you know, you look at these teams.
Bob Kelly:
The evolution of the team from year to year is so clear and to me this is the best that evolved and, like I said, it was all three levels all at once, so to me this is the best. Mike, we go to you first. Which of these three teams was the best version of the Patriots, or even your favorite? Whatever you want, no it's 2004.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I mean, there was no doubt about this team at any point aside from the Pittsburgh game, because they were such a well oiled machine. I mean, you think about that defense and going into, you know, week one, you have Rodney Harrison, Tyler, Richardson Moore, you just drafted Vince Willsworth, you have Willie McGinnis, you have Ted Bruce. I mean they were a fucking wagon. And then, you know, you see the emergence of John Branch in 2003. And he really solidifies himself as a number one, so much so that Bill's not going to pay him in a year or so. But then again, just addition of Corey Dillon, like this team could beat you seven to three or they could outdone you 55-48.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah for sure, 100 percent, ray, which was the best.
Michael Marcangelo:
So the team is this year that was up on 04. But I mean, my personal favorite is the year before. Once again, when you saw that game is I mean obviously there's another one that's coming that tops that game. But in this moment, that era, like that 03, so bowl was, was was just special. But, like I said, we ended up doing the pain many a day or all, and it was my heart Okay. So I can't wait to talk about that. But yeah, team wise, yeah it's 04. You know, but yeah, just like, to me my favorite one is 03.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, I completely in the sentiment, for sure. Oh, it's just me. So 14 is definitely the best. It's not even close to me. You get to. I want to say maybe, maybe the perfect season loss or even the win against the Falcons. So there's only two that rival it, I think. But we'll get there. And I don't know how many championships Boston like 17 shows. So I kind of just want to give everyone a little rundown of the NFL going into the playoffs. So spoiler Patriots made playoffs. They were 14 and two. They were the second best team in the FC, which I feel it wasn't 03. It was the same exact goddamn script. I feel like we've done this before, wasn't it the same exact scripts?
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Well, we know we were the number one team in 2003 because they have to have a game was at Gillette against the ins Peyton.
Michael Marcangelo:
It was.
Bob Kelly:
Oh, it was 14 and two.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I mean that's why it sounds so similar. Yeah, it's the same record.
Bob Kelly:
Fair and I think it was close to the same score in the Super Bowl too. But so just just to give you a little rundown here, so top two seats in the AFC Steelers Patriots Running down. We have the Colts as the three seed number one offense in the NFL. We have the Chargers. This was the early, early Phillip Rivers. I think Drew Brees was actually the quarterback of that team, wasn't he? 04 against against the Jets. I'd say that was either Vinnie test of our East Jets.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
No, no, no, Pattenton.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, pennington's Jets, mr Noodle arm itself.
Michael Marcangelo:
Not yet Not, that's not eventually.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, and then the 2000. And then the sixth seed in the AFC was the Jake Plummer led Denver Broncos. Fun fact. Then, over on the NFC side, one seed was of course the Philadelphia Eagles to Atlanta Falcons, three Packers for Seattle, five St Louis, six Minnesota. Really the only three teams in this iteration of the NFL back in 2004 mattered right, Maybe four. You had the Colts, you had the Steelers and you had the Patriots. I mean, those are the three in the Eagles. In the Eagles because they kept going to championship games.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Yeah, I was just the Eagles, because Andy Reed was getting that team to the NFC title game. Like what was it? Three, three or four years in a row?
Michael Marcangelo:
Five years in a row, yeah, five years in a row. And then this is here. They finally got over the hump. Yeah.
Bob Kelly:
I mean even you. Look, you know, Atlanta was the two seed that year. I think that was, you know, the end of, like, the Dirty Bird era. I don't even know. Oh, that was the beginning of the Vic era. What am I talking about, right?
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, chris Chandler was gone. Jamal Anderson was gone.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, vic, that was my cousin.
Michael Marcangelo:
Ray Buchanan was gone. Yeah, it was that. Yeah, it was the algae crumpler, brian Finner, and Algae Michael Michael, michael Jenkins, michael Turner Well, no, michael Turner might not get there yet, so I'm going to be work done. So, yeah, that area.
Bob Kelly:
But I mean, they were still very young up in common. But those were the three. Those are the big, the big heads, right. And I'll never forget, you know, seeing Andy smoke Denver into that Patriots game. I don't know if anyone in New England, now one person, was nervous for this game. No, it's Vessely some fact. I was at this game. But I'll never forget waking up in the morning as soon as I saw this. No, I'll never forget. I looked up, looked out the window, went to my dad room and was like we're going to fuck kill him. This game is fucking over and he's really talking about. I'm like they, they don't stand a chance. And within three minutes you knew, to me the play sticks out to me. I actually I bought like a framed picture of this is the Harrison pick in the end zone. I was sitting right behind it. I had the view that you see in the picture where he's jumped up and they're catching that and it was just that was that was locked up man. I've never seen Peyton Manning look so lost that he looked in this game. He was he was.
Michael Marcangelo:
He was a show of 20 to three was the final.
Bob Kelly:
We absolutely smashed them and it was never close for one moment. Not for one moment of that football game was this close. That was domination. From 15 minutes in the first quarter until the end domination.
Michael Marcangelo:
To give, to give, to give context to that season, right, cause you know we're we're kind of fast tracking ahead, which is okay, cause we know the end result. That was the first season since, I think, marina, where you know we were all quarterbacked and watched the season. So I was going to break the touchdown record of many, many, when he had 49 that year at the time was at the time was a record. He had a six touchdown performance on Thanksgiving. I guess Detroit man, everyone was like, oh my God, this high up power offense is insane. You know, what can you do with Marvin Harrison and Marcus Parlor and you know Richie, wayne, nezra and James, and you know they, they, they, just they just came up and stopped and once again, and every time they came into the, especially once again early on. We talked about this on the previous, you know, championship day episode, it was, it was domination, just like what I'm saying. Like they, they did not, they didn't have anybody figure out. And you know, you know, shout out to Jim Morrill. You know, play playoffs. You know when he got to the playoffs, baby, it was. You know, welcome the Patriots pen century, like that, that's, that's just what it was. So you know how's? it going, mike.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Well, I also just want to say that the context of the ask kick me. That occurred in in Foxboro. You know, bobby, you mentioned a 20 to three. It was a year after that AFC title game when, I think, peyton threw four interceptions. He looked, he looked terrible. And the NFL made a rule that said that you could not hit a wide receiver within five yards of the line of scrimmage.
Bob Kelly:
Was that? Was that this game? That was this game.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
And it was, it was before the 2004 season Working Coltsman.
Bob Kelly:
they can't just take it. They can't just take an ass kicking, laying down. They always got to cause some kind of fucking controversy.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
They come in thinking, okay, this is different, they can't do to us what they did last year. They, you know. And then, like, as you mentioned, it was six to three before halftime and then the Patriots scored two touchdowns but it was done. It was in 20 to three. Again, it's all 17 point game. For those of you that are listening that, that remember that game, it was never in doubt, ever, ever in doubt.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, Even the six to three. It was only a matter of time before the Patriots actually started moving the ball. Um, I remember it was like I said it was snowing like hell in that game. It was a lot, a lot harder than people thought it was going to. They just kept pounding Dylan over and over again, right up the middle, right up the middle, right up the middle, right up the middle, right up the middle, and eventually it broke through and it just you know. You know what this game reminded me of. It was the first iteration. He didn't say it, obviously, but it was the first time I ever saw a quarterback seeing ghosts against Bill Mowcheck. Because, because paid men was absolutely seeing ghosts in this game, he didn't know where the hell he was, what the fuck was going on. And, yeah, we absolutely kicked our ass. And again, paying men, at this time Fucking loser. Fuck, I mean corn big headed.
Michael Marcangelo:
It was, and if it wasn't for Richard Colwell, we wouldn't be speaking about it the way we speak at bottom.
Bob Kelly:
You mean Mr I ball? Mr I balls like the one of me.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
But I mean you talked about. This is a game where, if you rewinded a year right, antoine Smith had, I think, 20 carries for 100 yards in the game and we thought that was dominant. So what do they do in the division game this year, dylan gets the ball 23 times for 144. I mean he averaged six yards per carry.
Bob Kelly:
I want to put that in the perspective for people too, because that's a great point is like A lot of people forget. This Patriots team was so successful with a running back who averaged averaged 3.8 yards a carry for four season, four straight seasons and Antoine Smith never broke big runs. That's not what he did. You pounded the ball up the middle and he got you four yards every time, and that's what he did. It would carry down and add such an element to this Like yeah.
Michael Marcangelo:
And then it was the yard that the carry was in. Like he would, you could have down after one.
Bob Kelly:
Was it against that? He had that one run where he like went from left all the way back to the right.
Michael Marcangelo:
It was in the close game. It was in the close game.
Bob Kelly:
It was the close game, ok.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, busts off, and it keeps going right in.
Bob Kelly:
Stiff arm Right. It was a stiff arm.
Michael Marcangelo:
But when you, when you see guys, literally and I know because someone who played on defense this time when you, you kind of, just kind of go, let me just see a fall over here Because you're not looking to embarrass and you know, shout out to Robin Mathis, shout out to Dwight Freeney, the best defensive players that this league has ever seen. They, they weren't scared at the moment, but the other nine guys on it were, they did. You could rest assured. They, they were getting oh, and it was an Asian Broner, I'm getting cooked, bro, they were getting cooked, they were getting cooked. There was nothing they could do about it at that time. And once again, you're going to set us up for the next game. But once again, what happened next? What was my heart even more, maybe even more than the championship game Could always against, but I did it. Well, I won't my one more hard to see what we did next.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, man, so we'll get right into it. So again, patriots have dispatched Peyton Manning, who had. This time this wasn't even a rivalry, this was comparison to like Yankee socks post, pre, pre, I mean pre-04. This was like we dominated Peyton Manning period. Not a rivalry, he's got, he's out again, bye, bye. Next, here we go again. The Pittsburgh fucking Steelers. I felt like every single year we had to go through that it was like. It was like you know, it's like a Super Mario game or like you know whatever, has like 18 different games where it's the same goddamn boss every single time. But it's just a little, a little twinge and a little tweak to that team, but it was the same exact Pittsburgh Steelers identity. Same exact shit. They're not, they're not scared of you. They will kick your ass if they need to. And that's terrifying to me because, like we said, we saw what they could do. If there was any team I was scared of in the end fell up, this time it was the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know what I mean. You knew what this team could do. The only saving grace was that Ben Rothesburg was a rookie quarterback. That was the only thing in my head. I was like I, if we can get to this rookie quarterback. We're good. What do you guys remember? Mike, go first. Yeah, I mean.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I thought, instantly after the indie game we were all watching to make sure that it was going to be Pittsburgh and we had the chance to go back onto their you know, onto their field and kind of redeem ourselves from. From October we don't have, obviously, like Ty Law is not there, but Assante's played enough the rest of the season where he's pretty healthy and we kind of know what we have with them. And the one thing that all that's all, that's all that's all. We scared me about Pittsburgh and it's did then, it still does now is their ability to draft the skill position. Because when you think about their top three wide receivers in the 2004 games title game Heinz Ward, antoine Randall, l Putskill Burris, willie Parker, in the backfield right.
Bob Kelly:
No, it was the bus hill.
Michael Marcangelo:
Well it was the bus, yeah. So I mean you have a guy that that's kind of.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I mean you have a guy that's gonna, I mean, literally torch us in three years. Putskill Burris, who was their third best wide receiver on that team at that point, and and they had a good defense. I mean you had Troy Palamal who ran around like a mother effort just hitting anyone, anyone that he could, and James I think it was what James Ferrier was still in that team Ferrier, you think Golden Joey, paul Joey yeah, joey Joey Porter and Larry Floyd on the team Haggis, that team Palamal, yeah, but the thing, the thing that played that team, in my opinion, always up until that point, still was Bill Cower. Like you just never knew if he, if he, if he was, if the moment was gonna be too big for him At that point. I mean again, see what you want about Ben, he allegedly had a rapist win about him, but he was stone cold that in that entire season, higher season, he tore through the league and he looked better than Brady did in his rookie year, I mean in the first year that he fully played Like. So I saw the game, or you know, I saw the upcoming game. I'm thinking to myself this is gonna be, this is gonna be tough, and again it. It was one of those times when it wasn't, it wasn't close. This was like the legend of the folklore of Bella, second Brady. They're still undefeated in the playoffs up to this point, and I think at again, in half it was 24 to 3. I mean, what do you do?
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, yeah, I mean so right before I go ahead.
Michael Marcangelo:
Well, I mean I was. I went back to the old one because I thought about you know what happened. You know that we had to go through Pittsburgh then too, and I was more nervous and quit out of the corner of Stewart and Amazair way, and then Jerome Bettis, that I was a rookie, been a rafters Parker. We asked the skilled players have always been decent there at the Nestos, naturally what they do. Well, there wasn't. They only had three had coaches in there in their franchise history. So I don't know how fair it is to paint that picture on Bill Coworker, I feel. I mean, obviously he had a winning it the next year, but he's been in since he had been to a couple of, so balls had been a few. He's a share of shit games. I do think that as a coach he did what he could and obviously he eventually, you know, got it done. But yeah, before the level concern, I would say it was out of 10, it was probably out of 7 or 8, but it was because of the offense, was because of their defense and you know, once again, it wasn't just still occurring. Like you know, joe Green and Elsie Underwood was there walking through the door, neither was Jack Lambert. But, like I said, they had a hell of a defense and you know, obviously I knew they got to Brady because I think he would never see the foot. We know that. You know, I remember what happened a few years when he got hurt in that game. So I was thinking like okay, like just just give him a break and we're going to just hold. But the planet that sticks out and I was waiting for us to get to this moment. This is where, you know, we're talking about Brady becoming, you know, not just a guy with the guy. So Pittsburgh is starting the bomb, the bomb, no, not all the bomb, the branches one. But this play around. That was, I'll be about this. Oh yeah, the end throw was incredible, celebration was even better. But I think about the play, the touchdown. So I think with these things it's a game as a pattern. So basically he's, he's at the corner back of Sagdaw, at the goal line, so he looks at Gibbons and says, you know, basically gives them. I can't say like I'm coming to you changes, play at the line. So it was a quick out to Pat. I mean said to Gibbons and give his scores a touchdown. And Pittsburgh was just making a run at that time and that that's where it was like a play, where you're like, okay, like just, he's not just calling the plays, that Charlie Weiss and Bill was saying it to the headset, he's seeing the game, he's given a game with fires, and that's where I think that actually, that that particular place sticks out of my mind. It's like, okay, yeah, he's, he's the, he's the guy that's the office said around, and that they trust him enough to make a play to say, okay, if you see something out there, because you're the one that's out there viewing it, I'm making an adjustment as you see fit. He did, and that game basically got out of hand after that. You have to that place. I thought that was. That was a great indication of things to come.
Bob Kelly:
When it came to Tom, I, I thought to piggyback off that the bomb to branch to me was the most symbol, symbolic evolution, evolution of Brady. Besides, like you said, picking apart the defense like that, because that was his weak spot for the first three years was that was that deep ball over the middle where I'll never free. It was. It was against the Raiders in like 0-1 or 0-2, where he had a bomb just like that, was wide open for a touchdown and he overthrew him about 15 yards. That's what Brady's in his. He's held these, these bombs, every single time and he had branched the goddamn numbers. That was huge for me, like I'm feeling your plan might be the same. So what's the play, remember?
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Yeah, it's the bomb. I mean only because, like you just said, not to reiterate it and said that was you know, we're coming from Bledsoe being the quarterback for so long and all he would do is stand at the clock and I think it sacked a third of 45 yards down the field. But we you know that he could do it and one of the grids on Brady was the fact that he could do that, and so to against the defense. That I would say was top tier and was off. That has always been well coached, that that was a signature play. It was like okay, well, maybe he has a rock.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah. But what was also cool about that play to the to add on to that right, I felt that was one of many plays in that era where they would say they would say fuck you. To the defense they would say, oh, you don't think we can do this, Let me watch. Yeah, we have watch this. You know, watch this like, watch this, and literally like I think that that play just came off a turnover, that that that's what I miss about it. I miss, I miss now. I just I missed that aggressive nature was like, okay, hey, yeah, the mistake was made, Go for the, go for the kill. And that's exactly what happened. I think somebody fumbled on of his. I didn't either know that it was a fourth, fourth, fourth, fourth down. Stop, Boom. I guess it play action. And once again, Dylan was you had to bite on the fake because you didn't know if you had to go, had to, had to buy the bout of fate and you had to sit. The single high coverage. He was like, oh, single high coverage ball game. Do you know what man catches it? He starts doing a little before he does in the end zone. And I'm in the end zone Like before, came to do this on the light, let's go. So he's like I was.
Bob Kelly:
I was. You were not doing that. You're like, he did not do that. You're a liar. I was like wow, wow, another, another, another big play was really what kept Steelers are driving, plus possibly Polo's in seven before half Rodney Harrison picks it off, brings it back. He's seven years for touchdown. That was it. That was. That was ball game at that point. If this, if this court was a existence because you know, Facebook didn't exist yet. So discourse definitely is like Ray Sean definitely would have been in there saying hashtag ball game, it's all game because, that was it.
Michael Marcangelo:
I definitely don't.
Bob Kelly:
I'm like that's the game, that's it, it's a rock rookie quarterback down 24 to three, and that's kind of what the Patriots did at that time was they put you away. They, they, they, they. They saw you down on the ground and they stopped at you, especially at the end of half time. This time is a little unconventional, because usually it's you know a stop, a drive, and then you get the ball back and then you know you double up points on them. That four, 14 points point was it? You shut down a team that would end up being one of the most electric teams in NFL history two years later, with you know that Super Bowl victory against Seahawks, or Antoine Randall throwing 70 yard bombs to Heinz Ward and stuff. You absolutely shut that squad down and the AFC championship game just just absolutely dominated them. And I think that's what stands out to me before you have Super Bowl, because it kind of did that in Super Bowl too. It seemed close. It really wasn't it was in past years. Yeah, well it was they, but so they scored that touchdown. At the end, though it didn't We'll get to it, but where it has years, even if they won by big scores, like the Steelers in 01 or 03, it seemed a lot closer than it really was, like the game was always on the line, like they had to make that big play. This season was not that in the playoffs, those two dominating victories. And then who's next? The fucking Philadelphia Eagles. I fucking hate the Eagles. I don't know if anyone out there knows this, but like I have undying hate for the Philadelphia Eagles in my veins, so, even if I hadn't already been a past fan, at this time all I wanted was the Patriots to fucking kill them. This Eagles team, to give everyone a little background on them. Remember, they won, was it, and they were the bill. They were essentially the bills of this era. They went to four straight NFC championship games, only got to one Super Bowl, which was this one is Donovan McNabb, tio Freddie Mitchell.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Brian Westbrook.
Bob Kelly:
Brian Westbrook, Brian Dawkins, yet Dawkins.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
So on curse, curse.
Bob Kelly:
Wow, the freak was there, that's right. Listen, I know, I know the year after he signed that free agent deal too right, he was like the biggest yeah.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, that team was loaded and I just wasn't. We could say that. People could say that they weren't nervous. I was on, I was on, pissed. It was like damn, tio was the missing piece over there. You know, they had their own center ship play with the fourth. It's when six, because Green Bay, if he was before and I was like, well, okay, like see if I finally break through, so he's happy to be against us, and you know, basically they got that team with loaded.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Also, the scariest part about that team is that their best player, tio, had always had this, this knock on him that he didn't care enough about, about the game, and then he comes back from a broken foot Yep.
Michael Marcangelo:
And it goes for nine and one twenty two Right.
Bob Kelly:
Oh my God, it wasn't even like it was like six weeks, it was two weeks removed from breaking a bone in his leg. That's absurd.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, that's how I was like, yeah, this dude, and in that that play, because I mean, luckily he didn't do it.
Bob Kelly:
Larry Fajardo did a few years after the farm, the state farm play.
Michael Marcangelo:
But he's running and I'm like, oh my God I was. I'll be letting a one man, one leg man, destroy us right now. And that's what's happening. Yes, I'm saying, but so you're not.
Bob Kelly:
Your mistake. There is Terrell and is not a man, he's a cyborg. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you remember that sit up video on ESPN.
Michael Marcangelo:
That dude is not a human specimen, that, that, that, oh yeah, but I mean once again you said time machine, so we're speaking to 14, 14 year old me was like I can't believe it was. Again, I knew he was a beast.
Bob Kelly:
I love to you bro.
Michael Marcangelo:
Remember that, Remember the palm. Palm is on, you know out there, you know oh yeah.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I remember one that was great.
Michael Marcangelo:
Oh it's oh, it's you know, yeah, it was great, but it was just like him. Like I'm like yo let, let, let let our Freddie Freddie mission go off. Let L James Smith go all legs out of the James Stats one team. But I'm like, let's talk. Pink Say like, let one of them guys go off, as opposed to anyone. If anyone gets the ball they clearly were playing inspired behind him Clearly, as they showed up could obviously be him to come back like that, let the team know a one and one is badly resolved. I'm trying to redeem myself, not just to the team but to the city of Philadelphia, and I thought that he did until he did the things with sour after that moment. But yeah, that like said that team and that just him, in general, they, they were a very special team.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I, I, I, in the back of my mind, I was like, yeah, this day they might get us on this one, they might actually go and get one of them there was also a team, bobby, because you said that it wasn't, that it wasn't close, it was close, it was always close and that was a team that just you know. That was the first Super Bowl match since the, since the Rams were. You felt like you were going up against an offense that could literally score it. Well and the Patriots, including in this game, had still get to score points in the first quarter of a Super Bowl under Bill Belichick. So, like that funny how that happened. That. That that's absolutely terrifying and it's a wasn't for Andy Reed's inability to manage the clock or Jonathan McNabb puking literally in the huddle needs week. All of them is bloody. Who knows what happens in that game? Who knows?
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, Shane, Shane. When someone puking the huddle, I feel like I got a puke too.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Yeah, but, yeah, but David didn't, didn't have the heart, you know, yeah, no, the only reason I said it wasn't so I just feel like the only bright spot of this game for the Eagles was to relapse.
Bob Kelly:
That's a period. He's. The only reason the Eagles were ever in this game was the. Mac McNabb was great, but I feel like there's always something missing from McNabb and these big games and I feel like the puking thing kind of just showed that we're like I just don't think he ever had it and I don't think he ever had that killer instinct in these big games, because every time they got they laid the egg and I know you're saying it wasn't, but this was 24 to 14. I mean, 48 left in the game, bro, and in that final touchdown we're going to make it close. But, like they, they, the Eagles did not play good in this game. The Patriots handled. Them was a close, yes, but the Patriots handled to the point where, like you, never really were sweating. They scored that touching like, oh no, they got it and say, okay, right, we're good, what is it?
Michael Marcangelo:
I mean, that was that was before the era of going to social media and saying, oh my God, they're going to fucking fail, they're going to blow it this is fucking Franz. So it's just like guaranteed that would have been happening. Had had the Facebook been more than the EDU email, you could rest assured, folks would have been like man.
Bob Kelly:
Look at Twitter wasn't even existed, didn't even know for a world, bro, different worlds.
Michael Marcangelo:
They're just going to take it to just to struggle with this. Wait a minute, like they're they, they, they, they. They're about to wind up. I'm down like it's, it's, it's. Take a. Take a deep breath. Yeah, it just wasn't that deep. But no to, but to your filly point. Now I don't know, man, like they they read it to some teams, man, and like you got to think about it. They lost to the. They lost to the Rams. They ended up being champion. They lost to the um. They lost to Tampa Bay. Next year. They were champions. They lost to.
Bob Kelly:
Atlanta the year that that way, and I went to the Super Bowl too.
Michael Marcangelo:
Right, so yeah, so it's just like it's. It's. It's hot when you're losing to a big team that's that's doing on sustainable or it's a win again, like that. That. That's hard in the last. I think it's awesome and maybe we're just lucky to draw once again. They had better talent of the year. I don't think the team that got to super with their best team. Definitely, not Definitely not, I think, the team that lost to Tampa.
Bob Kelly:
Uh, what's his name at wide receiver?
Michael Marcangelo:
in the old veteran stadium. James, right, todd Kingston. James, you're painstain threat. Yep, yeah, thanks to us, you know. And over to doors 11 and do do. Stanley was on that team, so it's a my guy, you know so that's running back coach in NFL. Yeah, yeah, pretty much, but yeah. So I think that that you know some. They they were kind of like on the last day, let's say perfectly, you know, you said it perfectly earlier, you know they were the Buffalo Bills of the NFL. But, like I say, let's say it's hard and it's funny, because we don't get the same blogging tour, our team up here that plays basketball, but when you make five straight we should get. That's hard, that's hard to do and was again we're giving a credit because it's not ours one, but it is it's it's. It's. That's hard to do and it shouldn't be. It shouldn't just be dismissed to put to the side. That's that's the hell of an accomplishment, it's just unfortunate. And then it went in. So you know you have later just the same routine.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I want to point out the fact that Diamond McNabb put a 350 yards against number one defense in the in the national football league, and it was the first out of the Patriots had let more than 325 yards up eight weeks. So, like they, they especially it was great.
Michael Marcangelo:
It was great.
Bob Kelly:
And he was great, but you know what he's remembered for in this game. Okay, rowing up on the field with two minutes left in the goddamn Super Bowl.
Michael Marcangelo:
So like you get thrown for listen or throw.
Bob Kelly:
Tony Romo went through for 500 yards against Peyton Manning and almost beat him in that Denver Broncos team, but guess what? He fucking threw up all over himself and lost that fucking game. And that's what people were like I just I have no sense.
Michael Marcangelo:
That was a great game. I know what I was thinking I would all. I would all.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Other most memorable thing was him throwing it to Rodney Harrison and then Rodney flapping his wings.
Michael Marcangelo:
That was just. And then did the did the Eagle celebration soon. So yeah, that there was there was something we remember, yeah, but like I said, it was just once again that's it's unfortunate, but like I'm just glad that we came on top.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, mvp of this game. I feel like this was more of a. They gave it to him because his performance throughout the playoffs, because, you know, I feel like there could have been a few MVPs in this game. I think Harrison could have been MVP. I think Brady, maybe, should have been MVP. No, I thought it was gonna be pretty. I was shocked. Shocked when they gave it to bridge. I know he played amazing, but it just didn't seem like that was what.
Michael Marcangelo:
He deserved for 133 he deserved it for sure. I'm listening when you know when we get to the next one or not next one, but uh, when we get to another one, we do do another guy that had 11 catches to. We thought he deserved it. So it is. It is. What is he? De um bridge was and I was out. I'll never show it there like that man, whether it was in a slot, whether it was running a deep post, whatever they needed him to do, even in a victory game, at times that and Deliberate time at the time, at the time I actually love you know, I think I'm so glad we did this guy. I was able to watch all highlights and South the Chris Berman and, uh, it's how Jackson so deal bridge. You know I miss, I miss Aaron now. So, yeah, but I say he deserved it. I'm going to get it because he went to culture. Now, do they always give it to the quarterback for the most part?
Rayshawn Buchanan:
well, I said the on branch was they're their next leading, their next leading past catcher and a team that had you know Ben Watson, dando Graham, david Givens, story Brown was or we, dylan would. I was core or we Dylan, three catches to 31 yard. I mean Deon branch dominated, he was the offense in this game.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, okay, there there. Quick, quick Pop back to that David Givens catch someone was talking about. I don't know why, but randomly this image popped in my head. That was one where he had that huge red paint streak on his jersey, right or this leg, or something like. Do you guys remember that? I don't know why that image in the stillness in the championship game? Yeah, yeah, right, okay, sorry, random, I know, I'm sorry. 80 D guys, it's, it's a daily struggle. So, yeah, I mean, listen, we want another Super Bowl. It was fucking crazy. Beat the Eagles. You know it was definitely less climactic or anti climactic compared to the other two. I still three point game, as we said, but definitely not the same nail biting, you know. Finish, that it was and and that's it, guys. I mean, you know the new England Patriots are once again Super Bowl champions. Tom Brady now has three Super Bowls. Just a little aftermath. I'll let you guys obviously give you thoughts about this, but so at this time, this was the third championship for Boston area sports teams In the last 12 months, after going almost 30 years without one. We won three and 12 months, which is pretty fucking dope. There's marked first time since eight, eighty, nine, ninety that two teams in the same city San Francisco had won Championship in the same 12 month calendar. Boston would go on to do that again about 10, 15 years later. Eagles After this this was it. This was the end of the run for the Eagles. To his famous quote after this game, after they lost the Super Bowl, was I told you I could do it? I told you I could do it. That's right. After his team just lost Super Bowl, I did it.
Michael Marcangelo:
Anyway, uh this was, oh, my god.
Bob Kelly:
Oh, was it? Less than less than six months later, torello and it was like week seven of the regular season would be in his driveway doing push-ups or sit-ups, saying next question, next question, next question, and he was caught from the team. Funny, sir.
Michael Marcangelo:
That was a cool we're known right, is it? Crazy and I said I was a mistake.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, filly never hadn't won a championship up until that point, from 88. I think it was the last one was like 88 or no, 83 of the sixers. I didn't win another one until 2017. So lots of dismay and, philly, which makes me very, very, very happy, andy Reed ran up, leaving the Eagles later we already talked about him is time control issues go on to win multiple Super Bowls, with the Chiefs Still having time. Control issues happen to get Patrick moans and lastly, as we know, sadly enough for everyone here, eagles and Pat would meet again in a Super Bowl. Eagles had a similarly Eerie road to the to winning that Super Bowl to where they like flipped the Falcons and who did they play Falcons and the other team that played the Packers yeah, falcons and the Packers and then played the Pats. So same exact road to win their championship in 2017, which I thought was a fun fact. And yeah, you know it. Just that's the last Super Bowl the Patriots win until 2018. Yep, no Seahawks, oh yeah, until until Brady screaming like a girl. But I.
Michael Marcangelo:
Did.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I mean. So the weird part about this one is that it was three and four years you going it. You knew you're going in Super Bowl, that the Charlie whites just taking the job with Notre Dame and that Romeo was gonna Go take the job with the Chiefs. So it was. It was leaving Cleveland oh yeah, sorry, cleveland. So I did. This was the end of this run, but you felt like you still had all the horses and you still have the players right. And then, two weeks after it's a three weeks after the Super Bowl Teddy Bershky has a stroke and From that moment on it was like the Patriots were. You know another, another line from from the replacement there's like they were just in quicksand. They could never, they could never do enough to win again for another 10 years.
Bob Kelly:
It puts in the scary mode of shame it's and.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I know that this sounds counts, you know, like me complaining as a, as a Patriot fan. But To have that, that four-year run of excellence, and then the next year you get, you get your asses kicked in Denver by Jake the snake. And then the year later you should get the names of Telegame and Rochette, all well. And then the year later, the imperfect season. And and then Brady any balls with those eyes. And then Brady gets here like this was, you know, in 2013. Now you're talking about, it's been nine years since you won and you still have pretty much the same court. Nine years, I mean you, but buddy, you'd have to have a great quarterback. No, I know for a long enough period. It's time to understand that you know Dallas never well, he did.
Michael Marcangelo:
He just wasn't alive for it.
Bob Kelly:
No, I was, I was, I was.
Michael Marcangelo:
Linger, linger, linger style, but you know, all the time I'm for a minute, I'm something before that, when I'm like.
Bob Kelly:
I was. I was a Cowboys fan. I just didn't have a good quarterback of the Cowboys was so. Well you know what?
Michael Marcangelo:
No, I've been.
Bob Kelly:
I loved Quincy Carter. Bro, don't even get, don't do not turn this into a Quincy Carter show, because it will happen. Okay.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
It will happen. Number seven that's a number number 17 on the field, number one in your heart. Here you go, you GA baby work for drug addiction.
Bob Kelly:
He could have been one of the top 10 quarter vaccinated uh, yeah. It's so good.
Michael Marcangelo:
But no, but me, but no, but my mom made you take away from that, like said today. You know, obviously the the dominance happened pretty quickly. Yeah, I forgot about why sleeping gold, I don't know why that happened a year, the year after, but when you can't even to. But I was hoping that we brought it up because I looked at football reference, that coachy staff was loaded absurd.
Bob Kelly:
Yeah, yes, I'm sure.
Michael Marcangelo:
I'm a table. Charlie Weiss, romeo, cronell, bracket, flores, josh McDaniel was all on that staff at that time.
Bob Kelly:
Even, even the front office was loaded too.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah.
Bob Kelly:
Stop you only, there's a couple other guys too.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
I think I was, it wasn't. Was it dimitroth there? It wasn't dimitroth, that's. You're dropping it?
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, let them walk through Atlanta and build something down here. So, like it was, it was unreal.
Bob Kelly:
Nick Kassario.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, like the the brain trust they had in that room.
Bob Kelly:
Dean, dean peas, eric man.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, so Dean peas, even so, josh.
Bob Kelly:
Josh McDaniels.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yep Geez Epertricia. No, remember, you know he was. He was on that one.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Yet yeah, he was, oh for he was, oh well.
Michael Marcangelo:
You know they didn't show enough for more reference, so maybe he said he probably ran the defense got you chimp. Well, no, because they wouldn't won. But sorry, I had to get that out there one more time. Welcome back, billy. Uh, but yeah, but no, like, yeah, they like said the brain trust was, was, was, crazy, and you know so that we've limited on the show what the right of time capsule or not, good coaching matters. And mostly they had it, and that's what separated them from many other teams in a league at that time and the coaching tree from that particular staff. I wouldn't do some really good thing, not just in the NFL but but every other level as as well, and even in the front office. So you know what's that? They got it done and you know they set the bar for excellence. Uh, go, go for.
Bob Kelly:
All right, guys. So I mean that that really, I think I'll give you guys final words, but that puts a button on 2004 Patriots, for this iteration of the New England Patriots is first dynasty of the seven that come later. They really are a fucking Star Wars franchise. You know that they have like three superpowers and they take 10 years off and then they do three more fucking superworld things.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Scripts same fucking wild all the same shit we're doing this yeah, guys was different. Um wild that in that in that 10 year off period they went 18 and one.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, yeah.
Bob Kelly:
I hate that fucking season.
Michael Marcangelo:
Those were term me. That was what turned me against them. They'd witch you anywhere.
Bob Kelly:
We might have to do a championship revet special season. Well, we'll, we'll, we'll talk about that.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Yeah, I can't wait but yeah.
Bob Kelly:
I mean uh, mike, last words go ahead.
Rayshawn Buchanan:
Yeah, I mean, it was uh. Looking back on it now, uh, I wish I would have appreciated it more as a 16 year old, because at that time, like as you mentioned, we had just won like like three, three championships and what been in 12 months or 18 months? Yeah, 12 months, and it's just thought that it didn't matter because in 2005 it was gonna keep happening. And that's when, in my opinion, patriot fans myself included, but I kind of started straying away from that really hard in 2007 Uh, that's when we became so obnoxious because we just assumed that it was going like we deserved. We deserved it because it had happened so easily. Uh, but you look back on on that team and I don't think, uh, I know regionally, like here, if they can look anything in England. We talked about it. I would stack that 2004 team up against any Any of the greats in NFL history and I would still like our chances.
Michael Marcangelo:
Right, yeah, no, I totally agree. Um, like that, that that team was special and what's the other side? It's at the bar for wrestling, so that that, that was. That's, that's my, that's my biggest Final word. I'm glad that I wasn't able to be a witness to it. I, you know, I was basically living with my grandmother at the time. So you know, she would tell me like, hey, this is not always guaranteed. And I'm like, hey, grandma, you know Jim Rice and the Dwight Evans and you know a recapitulate celly and you know, uh, scott, them guys they walk into the door. Is it this? It's, it's, it's a, it's a new day. Yes, it is.
Bob Kelly:
I love how Ray Sean just went on a rainbow of four different sports in that.
Michael Marcangelo:
You know, yeah, you know, once again uh Sit bit more weapon, Morgan. What?
Bob Kelly:
You know, thrown in there, you know yeah.
Michael Marcangelo:
Yeah, whoever you want throwing in lay bro, whoever, uh, they're not coming to that door. So but yeah, I, you know being in many other circuit with chicken for granted, and it's just like you know, they were still in the mixer. I know, like said, we definitely got spoiled by the time before it came around, but in those in those 10 years, they still made a snowball. Another. Through times, let's hit. It wasn't like, oh, you know. And then, once again, the AFC literally ran through all for a number of years, like literally, like that's, once again, that's, that's not a prediction, it's a spoiler, like, hey, is it's fact, not opinion? So, once again, we were thankful to, to go through the best era of, uh, boston sports and you know, you know, just just thankful to be a fan. So, love, love me, tom.
Bob Kelly:
So my last thing is this oh, four team, really, this iteration of Patriots, would this kind of be a trend through this Trilogy of Patriots Super Bowl? As they changed the landscape of Boston sports to me as much. As you know, I ended up despising the Patriots, and you know they're fit and everything you do. They changed the mindset of everything Boston from, from these lovable losers that that you know, or die hard still, who always show up to their squad, to this, this Still knowledgeable team, but that they expect winning. Um, and I feel like that really did change the landscape of Boston sports because, following this trend, um, you see, like, like we said, we see enough championships to the point where we can make a goddamn special podcast show about each one of them and have have have a 20 episode series about these Boston championships which, at the time, if you were to rewind that back four years, if you went to our dads or our grandpas or anyone in Boston, you told them this, they would would early look you in the face and say go, fuck yourself. Fuck you, bro. What the fuck are you talking about? Not like? It was unfathomable what had just happened. And you know, obviously, guys, there's plenty more to come. We have to wait a little bit for another Patriots one, but red socks, celtics, bruins, they're all coming down the line. This has been 2004. New England Patriots, the championship free wrap, three out of four Super Bowls. Guys, it feels great. See you later.