Storylines and Power Rankings coming out of Week 5 in the NFL
Dave, Joe and Bob break down all the action from another wild week of the 2022 NFL Season including the Power Rankings coming out of Week 5.
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Bobby’s Power Rankings. 0:06
Joe hates this week's rankings. 1:33
Justin Herbert is not a typical pocket passer 3:51
Is there anyone else like Saquon Barkley? 13:10
What’s going on down in Tampa Bay with Tom Brady? 22:50
Who looks good in the NFC South right now? 27:15
Betting against the Vikings in the NFC. 33:11
Who are the Vikings better than right now? 35:39
Nick Bosa is the better Bosa brother. 40:21
Kyle Shanahan is what makes The 49ers go. 42:16
The Rams are going to win the NFC West. 43:21
The two most essential pieces to last year’s run were Odell Beckham and Von Miller. 45:03
How about them Cowboys? 52:24
Who do you have more faith in to secure themselves a win this year, the Cheifs or the Bills? 54:09
Who will win the Super Bowl? 57:15
Eagles are flawed, and not as good as we think they are. 59:27
Eagles vs Cowboys in the playoffs. 1:00:53
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Hosts: Mike Marcangelo, Dave Clarke, Rayshawn Buchanan, Bob Kelly, Joe Malkin
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Welcome to missing the point IMD cases. We're joined by a pair of nitwits to talk about the National Football League product we're all still hopelessly addicted to like it's black tar heroin doesn't matter how many brains melt inside elements, we're still going to tune in every Thursday, Sunday and Monday I'm here with the real BK Bob Kelly and Joe Malkin, I think we're going to do the same thing we always do, guys, we're gonna go through Bobby's Power Rankings and use that as a springboard to kind of jump off and talk about different teams, the state of the league as a whole CFE man, I mean, me and Bobby did this one last week did the show last week, Joe, and we were pretty sure that by this week, we would know more than we seem to actually know now, which is maybe even less good teams are still losing bad bad teams are still winning, we're starting to maybe trying to figure out if one of those is true or not, what teams are good, what teams are bad. There's a few locks. But I mean, even the mighty chiefs have seem to have some kinks in the armor. So let's, let's just get into it. And we're going to start with the Los Angeles I was about to come to San Diego with the Los Angeles chargers. Justin Herbert and Co.
Rob Kelly:That was that was that was for you, by the way. Yeah, yeah.
Dave Clarke:Back Back Back in the back in the top 10. I think, you know, my argument last week. And Joe, I'll start with you on this one. My argument last week was that on paper, there's as much as they've been somewhat underperforming this season. And although they haven't had the easiest schedule, on paper, they still have a ton of talent. So how do you like to charge at number 10? In the power rankings? And where do you see their season going?
Joe Malkin:I just hate the top 10. And not because Bobby put it together. But just because I hate it. There's teams that shouldn't be there. And that was just aren't because of how they're playing.
Rob Kelly:Here's the civically two, there's two specifically that you're that you're mad about being missing. Right?
Joe Malkin:Well, well, there's there's one, but no, I'm not mad about you missing them. I'm just saying that parody is the parody that they expect is being parodied. Again, it's like parody ception the highlight the charges at 10. CBS hasn't been 12. So I think it's, it's safe having them attend. I mean, everybody's going to have things ranked differently. There's a good football team. But per usual, Keenan Allen can't stay healthy. And that's an that's been a big issue for me, but they seem to be winning. Despite that and playing well. Despite that, I think Brandon Staley is a better coach than we give him credit for. I think there are some bad coaches in this league. And I don't think he's I don't think he's in the bottom 10 coaches in the league. I think he's a top 22 coach in the league. But
Dave Clarke:well, I mean, you know, just not exactly rebut that point. But for what he's executed with what he seems to have on paper talent lies, especially at the quarterback position in a quarterback driven League, would you not? I mean, bottom 10, top 10 Whatever. But would you not level some criticism for the rocky start to their season?
Joe Malkin:Yeah, sure. I mean, you have to, and we talked about this with all the teams that have young quarterbacks, second, you know, first, second, third, fourth year, quarterbacks and there's a team right above the charters here in Bobby's top 10. That that head coach is doing more with a lot less. And a quarterback that is much worse than Justin Herbert. I think Justin Herbert's good NFL quarterback is
Rob Kelly:the reason he's he's pretty much the sole reason why they're still on this list. Yeah. Because if you look at this team, so the thing that really sprung me away from them last week, was that the left tackle, left tackle Slater being out for the season, because he's such a big piece you can see in the harbor, too. Yeah. And he's, he's, he can do well under pressure, but he's not great. You know what I mean? He has a tendency to make bad decisions on the pressure. He's kind
Dave Clarke:of a prototypical slot guy, too. You know, pocket guy too. So it's like, I feel, you know, it's not like the the mobile quarterbacks that almost benefit from rolling out or moving or plays breaking down like that, and they get creative. He's not really in that archetype. I don't think he needs a little time. You know, it would have been great to see Joe burrow get that kind of time because I think he's sort of the same way. But I think I think yeah, you're right. I mean, Mike Williams is a stud too, and he at least has some weapons to throw to but like, Yeah, I do feel like he's put he's, he's carrying this fucking team on his back right now. Like I had early calls for him an MVP before the season started at it's probably gonna be Jalen hertz at this point, but a little honorable mention for Justin Herbert fucking keeping this thing together with fucking spit and sellotape right.
Joe Malkin:I mean, is this his third year? Third yet? Yeah, third year second head coach.
Rob Kelly:The thing was Staley man is like, I get being aggressive, but like, sometimes aggressive is fucking aggressive. I think like it's just broke, but like fourth and two minute 10 left. And if you they went for what were they on their like 40 yard line, and they went for it. Give the ball back to go Even with a minute 10 left a first down away from winning the game. Granted Cleveland fucking blew it. But I think that's I think it's winning time time to make them drive the field right I
Joe Malkin:think that's partly Staley not having any face in the browns. I think that's him under estimating the browns or more estimating them perfectly.
Dave Clarke:I mean he was right, apparently but yeah, I
Joe Malkin:think I think in that in that division too and they have the Broncos on Monday Night Football this week and that's that's not a very good football team and you want to talk about a bad head coach Nathaniel Hackett is not a good head coach or so we've seen through five games this this one is going to come down to a coaching decision like which which coach makes makes the booboo and and I don't think it's going to be Staley because I think he was playing that aggressive because of the team he was going up against and what he knows he's going to have to do to attempt to win especially against a team like the Chiefs
Dave Clarke:I don't know man I feel like that I feel like the the narrative of that Monday night game is a little bit more like which teams more desperate and I feel it's definitely the Chargers like the Chargers still have a season to salvage you know, I find like it's really a game behind them though. i Yeah, but if you're you totally understand like the the atmosphere in Denver right now like everybody's looking at that rustle so
Rob Kelly:they left they left they left in overtime like they left before overtime yeah after that stadium filed out
Dave Clarke:that teams that teams already quit in my opinion and I'm happy to be wrong about that but I I'm pretty sure that everybody's like holy shit what kind of a Russell Wilson did we get? Just to go off on a tiny little Denver Broncos tangent? That's what they're here for. But I do I do feel like in Seattle Ross like those fans grew up with Russell Wilson. Like they came up with me one of them he wants to fucking silverware. And I think the Denver Broncos fans are like we have no loyalty to you and you've basically crippled our team if you perform at this level for the next however many years with this fucking billion dollar contract that we gave you. And it looks like there's a reason why Pete Carroll let him go. So any system guy like he is you can assume guy at the end of the day like you know, I think Pete Carroll made him look good you know I don't really but yeah, exactly. I think I think there's I think there's a good system and a good head coach and in Seattle and now you're kind of seeing like oh shit like I mean look, I didn't know I wanted Ross and fucking Chicago you know I want to get anybody before we got fields I would have taken the fucking janitor that was cleaning out the plug and bathrooms and Soldier Field but I think you know, I think to see what's now happened I'm glad he got his bag and everything and like I got no allegiance to the Denver Broncos either but all 200 Yeah, no,
Joe Malkin:yeah, but you can't be if you're not I mean, Brock Osweiler is is we're back to be mad at at least agree at least Russ has proven that he can win. He can win big games. He's proven that he can win big games in the system he was in under Pete Carroll.
Rob Kelly:The thing with Ross now is though is you guys remember when Ross was at his in his prime, bro, his deep ball was the most beautiful goddamn thing in the entire league. Yeah, he's not even close to any of his deep balls so far this year and, and he doesn't want that and be quite honest. And you put that in with the fact that he's not doing the rustle. Hustle shit. You know what I mean? He's not running all over the field. He's not doing spin spin moves in the backfield anymore. They
Dave Clarke:hard to pound like that when you're waking up. And so pajamas, bro. Well agreed
Rob Kelly:and eaten dangerous sandwiches. But like, come on, like, also with all that money.
Joe Malkin:Bobby, you didn't you didn't pronounce that right. It's danger. Russ danger. Sandwiches, danger, danger. Russ sandwiches.
Rob Kelly:I mean, at least he's done. I've done something like that before. Least
Dave Clarke:he's a great meme. Not a great quarterback.
Joe Malkin:He is a great meme. That's right. But
Dave Clarke:yeah, just moving on. Because I'll start with you again. Since you touched on what's going on in up in New York? Because, you know, the I guess it's down in New York for you guys. Or Bobby It's down for you? I don't know. It doesn't matter. Great. So down in New York, over in New York for me. Yeah, these this giants team? I think it's a it's a it's a flimsy form when there for one right. I think it's a it's a flimsy form. One. I think that there's always teams that like, you know, they've won more games. And I think that they're they may be like, are able to on paper coming into this part of the year. But I don't know. I mean, say Quan, Barclays looked great. And like you said that a lot out of that book and Daniel Jones guy, which I wouldn't have bet on in a million years. So oh, how do you feel about New York? Do you feel Do you think that there? Do you think that they're a little thin and this is going to even itself out or are they like going to win that division?
Rob Kelly:Wait, can I go first? Sorry. So I'm sorry, but they weren't real until they beat the Packers now is when you can actually consider them real because they beat someone who actually mattered now you know what I mean? Like you can't sit here and tell me that if the bears beat the Packers two weeks ago, you'd be like, this team is real. We're in it we're a contender now.
Dave Clarke:Yeah, but the difference right that you're you're missing from the comparison is I can look at the Giants objectively. And if it's the bears, I will be going berserk for a completely logical basis so it's not a fair comparison. But like, I'd be like, the Super Bowl
Rob Kelly:I like yeah, of course. When you have a legit player like ze Quan Barkley in a position with a play caller like dabble that that can just get every ounce of ability and production out of that possession you know what I mean? It's it's unbelievable what he's doing with a club
Joe Malkin:well that's what he's that's what he's done is he's gotten the team to buy in and and everybody's a part of it and in Oka Darius Tony is hurt but the wide receiving corps shepherds out shepherds out to shepherds out to the wide receiving corps there is sneaky good between Sterling Shepherd Canarias, Tony Darius Slayton, this David sills kid this one Dale Robinson guy out of Kentucky, like they have Kenny golladay, who was a top receiver in Detroit for a lot of years. And he's barely
Dave Clarke:approaches 10 receiver to try it's like being the world's tallest midget though.
Joe Malkin:I understand. And we can, you know, I will actually talk about the lions because we won't talk about patriots, but they're a fun team to watch. They're interesting to watch because Bobby's right like dibbles squeezing every ounce of effort out of all of these guys. Sake ones finally healthy and clearly was being completely mismanaged by Joe Judge and Ben McAdoo. Yeah,
Dave Clarke:you know what, like, I don't even think he was being like I don't I don't think he was being treated right as far as health stuff goes but I also don't even think he was being screamed for for his full potential like he was catching balls now out in the flat that like give him some he's under run. Like I it's crazy. Like it's a he's like, I feel like they were giving them the Derrick Henry treatment before where it was like load him up you know, like like put the workload on him like find them some holes like let's see what he can do like four yards per carry love it. Like unbelievable like great return but now it's like, let's make them scheme for him. Like let's Let's confuse them. Let's make them watch him all fucking day because then it opens up like you said, like a sneaky good receiving Corps. And it gives Daniel Jones throws that like, quite frankly, anybody could fucking make.
Joe Malkin:That's what it's about. Right? It's simplifying the offense to bring the to bring the Patriots in. I mean, look at the Patriots. What was the thunder on?
Rob Kelly:That was great. But look what the
Joe Malkin:right. So but it's the same. It's the same thing, right? Like, don't make the offense too complicated. And that's what table did. And he implemented the same offense that he had up in Buffalo but actually adding it added in some some running plays because he actually has a running back down here. Now that Devin Singletary has a bad running back. saquon Barkley, but he's not saying Well, Mark,
Dave Clarke:there's like three guys like that in the whole league.
Rob Kelly:There's no, I mean, is there anyone like Saquan? Well, no.
Dave Clarke:I mean, well, definitely. There did I mean, different I would say like you could, you know, you'd be just as happy with their team, you know, you'd be just as happy with with the sake one who's who else might forget it.
Rob Kelly:I mean, if Aaron Jones, Derrick Henry Derrick, Henry
Dave Clarke:Van Jones wasn't wasn't like in a committee in Green Bay. I feel like he could be used outdoors. But running back
Rob Kelly:there. Tony, Tony Pollard, Tony Pollard. So it's tight, Joe. First of all, it's like you said to wear a patriot in the first sentence. You're like, I can't talk about them. I didn't they were just like, tickling the back of your brain.
Joe Malkin:Right, but the calm makes sense. Because Dave said it like that just about anybody can make it and that's what that's what Bella check did was happy this week. And that's what these teams need to be doing with these young quarterbacks that aren't great. Let them manage the game. Don't. Don't make them go out there and throw a balls like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers do every week because it's not it's not gonna work?
Rob Kelly:Yeah, so there's two types. First, Andruw Jones is sneaky, athletic. I always forget that this dude can just absolutely burn like he averages 60 to 70 yards a game, I think, or maybe a little less, not definitely exaggerating, but you know what I mean?
Dave Clarke:And that's what I was forgetting Austin Eckler. He's gonna fuck a beast.
Rob Kelly:And then secondly, what it just kind of hit me that like what the giants are doing. It's like they took what the Niners brought to the forefront with debo those last two years where he was a wide receiver. He was running back, he didn't know where was going to line up. They kind of made their whole game plan around them. And they almost expanded it to where it's like this is now our identity. We're going to stay in these games, all four corners every single time we're going to be in the end of that game, because we're just going to sit here and powers a coin down your throat, throw them out of the backfield. DeBose essentially continue At least conceptually, of course, of course. And
Joe Malkin:always conceptual here. I'm missing the point. It just reminds
Rob Kelly:me a lot of the deebot factor man except it's even more with with zaycon and this giant scene. Yeah,
Dave Clarke:yeah, no, I mean, I think they're fun to watch. I got sake one Barkley in a fantasy football trade with our producer Craig D'Alessandro. So now I'm even more invested. He's He's a lot. He's a lot to handle. I like it. We have the Ravens. I'm not sure anything's really changed. From what we've taught what we talked about last week, Bobby, Joe, like, essentially, to sum it up. It's this really isn't Lamar Jackson's fault. Like, I know that people want it are quick to jump on and like, tell me if you disagree, but I know people are quick to jump on the narrative that like Lamar Jackson isn't really a quarterback, you can't build a winning Super Bowl winning team around him doesn't perform in the playoffs, like you've heard all these all these things before. But that kind of what we settled on is the fact that they're in all of all places that in Baltimore, their defense is fucking trash. And it seems to just be blowing fucking games for what Lamar Jackson is doing, which is basically his job. If anything's really changed in your mind, Bobby before that, go ahead. But
Rob Kelly:just yet, I just want to make the point that Jim Harbaugh said what we said, yeah, and kick drum gadget kick used to use the greatest kicker of all time without time. Yeah, and they won. Isn't that weird? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah.
Dave Clarke:I liked his line about I mean, it's dumb kicker, too. Did you hear that?
Rob Kelly:It's just it's it's so crazy to me.
Dave Clarke:Like he was like, oh, it's all about the snap and the hold and like all that down. I'm just a system kicker. I'm like No bro.
Joe Malkin:Are Justin Tucker is the best kicker of all time. And that's, that can be debated, I guess. But. And then that they have the they have the second best tight end in the league. In Mark Andrew Wiggins, Kelsey Jackson is dynamic. He's proven he can throw the ball. We know he can run. He's got I think he needs a better running back. Outside of that their wide receiving Corps is is sneaky above average. And they do they do a good job. And you're right, Dave, that's the biggest thing that is is why they're three and two and not foreign one or five at all, is their defense kind of sucks. And that's, that's gonna be a problem.
Dave Clarke:We also mentioned we also mentioned Harbaugh, like, the league seems to sort of be passing him by a little bit as far as like how he can scheme and like how what is kind of game management has turned into because I feel like the kind of losses that the Ravens have suffered are like nowhere near the kind of losses you expected Jim Harbaugh team to like because it's like mental mistakes. Penalties like you know, yeah, it's sorry. Whatever, they look real similar. But, but I feel you know, it's like at the end of the day longer I don't know if I can pick them apart.
Rob Kelly:Gyms. Gyms gyms faces taller
Dave Clarke:John's the one in the Ravens
Joe Malkin:Johnson purple is amazing blue
Dave Clarke:yeah HP and red all right yeah, I mean like I don't know nothing's nothing's really nothing's really changed for me as far as the Ravens go like I just think they need to get a little bit they needed a little get a little bit more disciplined you know, keep giving the ball to their best players to win the games and just try to get it sorted out a defense because I feel like the entire fuck Baltimore Ravens defense walked into a into my office right now that I wouldn't be able to tell who the fuck was who so i They gotta go get some studs. They gotta go figure some shit out. Not there.
Joe Malkin:There'll be second in that division. There'll be second division behind behind Cincinnati and they'll probably make the playoffs but
Dave Clarke:I just if the narrative about Mr. Jackson's career if he never wins the Super Bowl and he keeps getting bounced down the playoffs if the narrative is going to be he was never really a QB he was a glorified running back blah blah blah. I mean, I would just like to I would like to do but yeah, but I would like to at least be a have it be on his terms. You know, I would like to see Lamar Jackson succeed or fail because of Lamar Jackson. I don't want it to be because of their fucking defense. You know? Well, it's
Joe Malkin:it can we use it not to go off on a tangent but
Rob Kelly:could we use what we do? Do?
Joe Malkin:I know can we use Mike Vick is kind of a catch.
Rob Kelly:Bro. You took that you took that right out of my brain.
Dave Clarke:Thank you. Or bother Mike Vick.
Rob Kelly:I was just gonna say so
Joe Malkin:Mike Beck drew a hell of a long ball man.
Rob Kelly:He's sexy. Here
Joe Malkin:was the best ball he threw. But no
Dave Clarke:but like so. When you
Joe Malkin:take the long ball
Rob Kelly:when you think about Mike vix career, you know, besides, though his football career, you know, no one ever point out the guy. He wasn't a good quarterback. He wasn't just like, oh, he was that electric quarterback. He did this he beat the Packers in the wild card that one time.
Dave Clarke:Yeah. That's the narrative that Jackson gets, you know?
Rob Kelly:That's not the narrative Jackson gets and I don't really get it because you're right. He is a better passer.
Joe Malkin:Like, can I ask you a question on this? Yeah. Is it because it was a novelty? When Vic
Dave Clarke:did was he broke Madden that year. Ha, it's like, it wasn't already we'd never seen a quarterback like that now, and now people are so fucking jaded. And it's like, no, you have to be this you have to be this and like, quite frankly, like he's the only guy in the league that's like that. And I think there's guys that are like, you know, the Patrick mahomes is of the world and the Josh Allen's of the world. They can move like they can shake the fucking hips, they can put a little move on and like make make a play. Aaron Rodgers can still feel can do it even, you know, like, we're at his ripe old age. I don't know how old he is. And I last few years, but I think the I you know, I think a guy like Lamar Jackson is dynamic as he is. There's no one else like that. Like, I mean, for me, I'm a fan of a terrible NFC team. I'm happy to watch the fucking ravens play because he's playing, you know, like, it's one of those things where I'm like, this is, you know, this is just fun to watch, like, whether they win or not. It's like when I was when I used to watch all Allen Iverson games. I'm like, I just love it. Like, I just love I love seeing him do his thing. So
Rob Kelly:I think of it almost as as the Lucy Kay skit where it's like, airplanes every day, you know, it's everything's amazing. Yeah. Everything's amazing.
Dave Clarke:I know what you're talking about the guy that I mean, sorry for everyone who's gonna be offended that we're talking? Oh, yeah, sorry. I've now shamed
Rob Kelly:time, back in time.
Dave Clarke:But he's like, Oh, they announced like this is an old bit, but he was like, Oh, they announced they're gonna have Wi Fi on the plane. And he was like, that's amazing. I can't believe we're doing that. And then the guy night, they were like, Ah, sorry, it's not working. And the guy next to me was like, oh, that's bullshit. And he's like, You're mad about something you didn't even know existed 10 minutes ago. He's like, You should be worshiping the fact that we're flying through the air right now.
Rob Kelly:Exactly. Yeah. Lamar Jackson is the airplane where it's like, we should all be sitting here. Oh my god. But everyone's like, bro, just you overthrew that. Do you see 90% of the quarterbacks that play in the NFL right now? Let's not it no one can run as fast as Lamar. And I promise you, people were missing more throws the Walmarts every season. He's a top
Joe Malkin:10 quarterback in the
Dave Clarke:league without a doubt. All right, cool. Let's truck on through. We're going on to Joe's favorite subject. Tom Brady. Top 32 quarterback in the league. best quarterback I
Rob Kelly:hate the phrase nozzles. Right. You're up next to Jimmy J. You know, right. Right.
Dave Clarke:So what we talked about before Joe was, you know, the idea of and I actually I'm gonna let him go first this time, Bobby, the what we talked about before is that the idea that as much as as much talent as the books seem to have on paper, some doesn't feel right in Tampa Bay. I know they have Tom Brady. But there's like, you know, some tablet shit going on with him. He doesn't. I'm not gonna go so far as to say that he doesn't look the same because I think he's still pretty elite. And it doesn't I couldn't really pinpoint like anything of him like losing a step or like looking any worse or anything like that. But that I mean, yeah, there's some weird going on with his face, but he probably just ate the latest like fucking child sacrifice, you know, and like, that's part of the process of regeneration, like the darkness.
Rob Kelly:Skull safe stage.
Joe Malkin:spent those 11 days on a certain Island?
Dave Clarke:Yeah. Him and the rest of the Illuminati. But what do you 11 more years? What do you think's going on down there in Tampa Bay? Is he is he going to win another shoe like,
Joe Malkin:Bob Bobby's got them rank seven. I think there is a chance he could win another Super Bowl. There's clearly something going on with him at home.
Dave Clarke:They learned up right. That's
Rob Kelly:yeah, they did to fit harder.
Joe Malkin:Part of what I think is going on, I think as much as people have this conversation in New England about is it bill? Is it Tom? I think there's a conversation to be had down there of of is it Tom? Or is it who's the coach last year whose name is literally?
Rob Kelly:Sharon's Yeah.
Joe Malkin:And I think that they work together better than Tom thinks they did. And I think Bruce just wanted a handle on what was going on in the offensive room. And Tom said no, and they didn't get along very well. So now he's got Todd Bowles. And Todd voles only pays attention to the defense and Tommy gets to run the offense. I think him not being there for 11 days, and then coming back and yelling and screaming at his guys on the field, regardless of what was going on. isn't a good look, regardless of who's
Dave Clarke:getting hit a lot, man that's getting hit a lot. You know,
Joe Malkin:I think that but that's what I mean is I think there's more I think there's more going on there than than meets the eye. And what I'm alluding to is I think maybe the guys around them are a little tired of his bullshit.
Rob Kelly:But so, but the Bucks chosen so with ads, like he got into that boat with air and everything like that, it was all behind closed doors. We don't actually
Joe Malkin:books are gonna bite Who's Tom Brady, the Patriots didn't say the Patriots and you think that the Bucs front office is gonna sit there and go Well, the Patriots effed it up. So we're going to do the same thing and pick the 65 year old coach over the 44 year old quarterback. No of course.
Rob Kelly:The thing is though, guys, is we you know, no matter what how the Bucs look right now, right no matter what happens If they're within if they're, let's say seven and five coming down the stretch, bro, they're dangerous team at the end of the season. You know what I mean? Like regardless of what they look right right now, it's Tom fucking break, you know until Tom Brady stops being Tom Brady. It's you cannot count that guy up until he's like, You know
Joe Malkin:what if we're watching it happen like right now what if we're watching this right but I understand the three I understand that three and two but the ravens are three into
Rob Kelly:that division but who in that division is gonna feel it?
Dave Clarke:Oh hey if New Orleans New Orleans if New Orleans went broke Come on, if New Orleans still do and
Rob Kelly:Andy does.
Joe Malkin:If new I know if New Orleans can get healthy and they can get Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara on the field, same time and Taysom Hill as a as a dynamic playmaker, they can they can win that division with Jameis Winston, if
Dave Clarke:he can get healthy, that's a big hill for them to climb at this point. And
Rob Kelly:the thing with Taysom Hill is we have that game every year. It's like literally for the last five years, there's been that Taysom Hill game where he scores 40 tech fantasy points. And then next week he gets placed for
Dave Clarke:positions, right.
Joe Malkin:But the difference there is the difference there is that right now that starting quarterback is is out. And the last time he did that was when the starting quarterback had announced his retirement and was reaching the end and they were looking for some gadget plays to get this guy invested. Now they've invested in him. And they've signed him to a big contract. So of course they're gonna use them, we're noticing that we're gonna get 46 financing points a week. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about two teams battling for the top spot and a bad division because Atlanta sucks and Carolina, South Carolina just fired their head coach. So I don't know what the record is against those other two teams this year. But there's no way that New Orleans or Tampa should lose any of those four games. And I think those two teams would split. So I think we're looking at two five and one teams in the division. And if Tampa is seven and five after 12 games, what is the saints record right now? They've won one
Rob Kelly:game. I think that there are two and three because they beat they won in London.
Dave Clarke:That's right. Oh, no,
Rob Kelly:they lost them London. They lost on like a 62 yard field goal. So I don't know. They've won one game.
Joe Malkin:They're two and three. I'm literally there. They're they're a game by and the Falcons are two and three. They're a game behind Tampa in that division they have so beaten Atlanta, they lost to Tampa. Oh my God. They lost a Carolina so maybe maybe I'm completely off base here. Yeah. The Vikings and they beat the Seahawks.
Rob Kelly:There is no way because I've watched like if you watch redzone every Sunday, right? I do do right. So I know you guys. So when you watch the Panthers, it's pitiful. When you watch the Falcons. It's pretty bad. There's bright spots. We'll give you that they're running games pretty good. They got Drake London, but most of the time it's Marcus Mariota like mumbling for Patterson. He's hurt.
Dave Clarke:Just this last week though he was he's had a good start to the season for them.
Joe Malkin:Of course you liked him because you liked him in the bears uniform.
Rob Kelly:All Ime say it looks sexy. Tampa Bay's minus 300 right now to win the division. That's what the grid that's what the Green Bay Packers are to beat the Jets. That's a lot. That's what's the bucks. That's what the Bucs are to beat the Steelers. Like it's it would be a huge upset.
Joe Malkin:I don't think I don't think Tampa is winning the Super Bowl this year.
Rob Kelly:I don't think they want a Super Bowl. I
Dave Clarke:agree they're gonna win their division though. Like, like that. That ship has sailed
Rob Kelly:the top Tom Brady's gonna have that wrapped up by November it's
Joe Malkin:why it's why they play the games Dave
Dave Clarke:Yeah, and like don't at the start of the season when you two specifically were like New Orleans New Orleans and I was like they're gonna suck and then they played the games and they suck. Here we are. Anyway, moving right
Joe Malkin:along. Yeah, here I am saying they can't lose to Atlanta and Carolina and they lost the boat. They was Wait, wait, wait, wait. He'll play a little
Dave Clarke:boy. All right, moving on to have the frankly absurd six six piece Vikings placement. I don't know if you saw that. Like not very good. Chicago Bears come very fucking close to like a massive comeback victory over them. I don't know if you saw them like, barely win the games that they've been winning and fucking lose two teams that they shouldn't been losing into like, what what is it that you're Bobby, what is it that you're seeing about the Minnesota Vikings that I'm not seeing? Because I think you're looking at their roster and you're going like, but that guy's good. And that guy is good. And that guy's good. Instead of looking at him on the field, and going like, well, that guy's supposed to be good, but he's not and so now there's that guy. Now there's that guy and Kirk Cousins is still their fucking quarterback. So like, why are they better than the fucking Tampa Bay Buccaneers? Like why are they better than the Baltimore Ravens like please make it make sense to me?
Rob Kelly:Because they're Currently foreign won. And when you look up and down that roster, man, it's exactly what you said. It's like that guy is fucking awesome. And that guy, all I gotta say is if they play a primetime game, I promise you they won't be on top 10 The next week it's not like I'm saying like Vikings going to the Super Bowl I'm just saying on any given Sunday I went there I cruciate it on any given Sunday, that's a tough team to beat. You know what if that team is on? They could put up 40 At any given say,
Dave Clarke:can I just say this is gonna be obviously tough for me to say but they wish
Rob Kelly:I wish the Vikings game wasn't Sunday night. You know what I mean? Cuz sure Kirk Cousins. You just get to primetime man. He's got like a bedtime or something. Like he can do it.
Dave Clarke:Then he's like, Fuck, I turned to a pumpkin in 10 minutes. Interception, interception interception. Look week one they pull out the Packers right which I think we can kind of say was a little bit of an anomaly. I think like if they played the Packers this week if can anyone make the case to me to the Packers don't win that game. I think the Packers
Rob Kelly:late Can We Go Go ahead keep going. Yeah, you go
Dave Clarke:to the eagles who are the number one team on your Power Rankings who you've been maintaining are full of foot like interested show. It's like chip Chippendales on a Saturday night over in Philadelphia according here, so okay, they lose by three touchdowns to them like fine two touchdowns to them. Sorry. And then they go on to barely beat the lions who are not good. barely beat the saints who we've established are not good and bad almost get cut back on by the fucking bears except for two weeks in a row. Chicago has a random ask. I'm making fucking offensive play
Rob Kelly:and people are stupid. Same thing to me was fucking weird. Yeah,
Dave Clarke:so I'm off point last week, you know for what could have potentially been a game winning drive. I'm not saying it would have been but it would have been nice to like try. And then a guy catches the fucking with no time on the clock. I got catches the ball and instead of just stepping out of bounds cuts inside gets the ball ripped from him like a fucking child. And the game ends right. So where ever I watched the Vikings team, I watched him play the bass. They're not good. They're not the team 15
Rob Kelly:completions bro. I'm impressed.
Dave Clarke:Justin fields and that what like what this is what I mean, just again, the very brief bears chant tangent. And I said this to you last week. You got to fucking win or lose with your with your guy. And they did. They haven't been giving him a chance to make fucking plays. So at least when they gave them the chance to make plays, he made plays. And that wasn't his fault.
Rob Kelly:That left tackle. Right that that? That was
Dave Clarke:again, I you know, I think we're losing a lot of close games. And I think that I like what they're doing over there. And I liked it. They're being a little bit less conservative. And I think it is kind of a season of like, let's see who we got here. And you know, the baby bears. It's exciting, but quite frankly, like the staying on topic with the Minnesota Vikings. Like I understand you're not saying they're gonna assumable but I'll go to Joe on this. Like what do you think Joe? Like if you're if you're coming up against if you've got $1,000 Put on anyone to play in the Vikings in the first round of the playoffs? Are you worried? Are you worried that the Vikings are going to come in and take your $1,000 Oh my god. Yeah, I'm asking Jeff.
Joe Malkin:I mean, am I betting? Am I betting against the Vikings? Yeah. Yeah, I am. I think there's a good football team. And there's something that cousins has there now that he hasn't had there before. And that's a very offensive minded head coach who has taken a mediocre to above to a mediocre to average slightly above average quarterback to a Super Bowl and won it. And that's Kevin O'Connell coaching Matt Stafford. He's also coached Jared Goff and made him look good. So that
Dave Clarke:guy's got a fucking bomb handed quarterbacks is great. You make
Rob Kelly:make golf look
Joe Malkin:good, but that's what I'm talking about. And that's what everybody is looking for now is that young head coach, that is a a quarterback whisperer. That's going to get the most out of little. And I mean, Bobby kind of alluded to and said it without saying it and correct me if I'm putting words in your mouth, Bobby, but Kirk Cousins is a good NFL quarterback. He just can't win in primetime. Am I That's it. They put him on wildcard weekend on the Saturday one o'clock game. No, I'm not worried. I'm worried about somebody taking you know, taking the money. Because I think that they can they can win that game. They're good football.
Dave Clarke:All the playoff games are
Joe Malkin:great, though. They've scored 115 points. They've allowed 102 And that's what the foreign one record. So I mean, they're kind of doing what the Lions have done, in a way, but they're a better football team much more disciplined and innovated in the bucks. Well coached. Do I think they're better than the bucks? I don't know if I think I'm too biased to answer that. Question guy so
Rob Kelly:I would say the better than the red hair Wait let me lay it out on the Ravens I don't run from the prop so you got to with the Power Rankings you gotta you got to forget what you know Bobby
Joe Malkin:I was just about to defend about about football about that line again so that Crescent caught it and use it above that
Rob Kelly:past reputation of the team. This is the 2022 Power Rankings. And you're telling me right now that when you watch the Vikings this year, versus when you watch the Bucs when you watch the ravens, They they're not consistently better. I'll tell you
Dave Clarke:right now, if the Vikings are playing the books, the Vikings are playing the books. So you got even odds across this right and we're talking we're talking gambling my harder Leah's hard earned money. They're playing the books. I bet on the books. If the Vikings are playing the ravens are betting on fucking ravens if the Vikings are playing the Chargers I'm betting on the Chargers. The Vikings are playing the Giants. I'm not thrilled about it, but I'm betting on the fucking giants.
Joe Malkin:Well guess what Dave? The only team out of that list that you just said is the giants that they actually do play and that's on me on Christmas Eve.
Dave Clarke:All right, you know what I'm gonna call him wanna rock this? I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is right now after we're done with this podcast. I'm gonna put $100 in the fucking giants to win that game. Okay, and we'll see we'll see if I win that I should judge these motherfuckers never make the Power Rankings again.
Joe Malkin:I don't know if that's gonna any anyway, I'm gonna defend Bobby because I don't necessarily think that they're monitoring Bobby I'm just attacking his daughter No, I'm I know and I'm really attacking Vikings I'm gonna defend his power rankings not I'm not gonna defend you I'm gonna defend your powering because I don't like them because but I don't like them because of how you rank the teams. I just think there's just so much parody like I said in the open, but the power rankings probably has these guys where it should be because their only loss is against the number one team in these power rankings. They blew out the Packers 23 to seven but just
Dave Clarke:I don't strength the schedule needs to factor in here.
Joe Malkin:Yeah, okay. strength of schedule needs to factor in here. We all have the Packers winning the division the Viking smoked them
Dave Clarke:yet in game one of the fucking of the NFL season which we all agreed a little bit of a weird week. You know, now they have a test the other teams they be we're trash, except for one real plucky young one.
Joe Malkin:They have well, actually, you know what, they don't have a test this week. Because Skylar Thompson is
Rob Kelly:Are you saying you're the breather pocket when you deploy he? Yeah, yeah. David starts
Joe Malkin:you guys are over here like laughing your ass off. And I'm like, I'm so serious right now. The Vikings. I think the Vikings are properly ranked here ahead of the Vikings and the Buccaneers based on what has happened. I don't think that they're a better football team at this point. They probably will fall below those two teams. I mean, they are firm with this fair, but they put they do have a favorable schedule. They do have a favorable schedule. They're gonna go up against a rookie quarterback this week for the dolphins and Skylar Thompson, then they're gonna go then they're gonna host the Cardinals up in Minnesota. Excuse me, then then they got the commander's and then they have they have a tough one against the bills and tough one against the cowboys and then they got the Patriots and who the hell knows what's gonna happen there on on Thanksgiving, I wouldn't be able to put my money on the Vikings for that one. But that's that's just me.
Dave Clarke:Well, they're gonna get fucking spanked by the bills and they're gonna get fucking spanked by the cowboys and I don't even know like cowboys aside, like all that all jokes aside, like, cowboys just match up so fucking badly against them like, just exactly what the Cowboys bring to the table is how I would design a team to beat the fucking Minnesota Vikings. Alright, so moving on to a team I'm really excited to talk about because I really, really enjoy watching them play this here, mainly because of how they are the defensive side of the ball is the San Francisco 40. Niners James
Joe Malkin:Richard Garoppolo on the maximum. Joe second favorite subject
Dave Clarke:Jimmy G aside I think for now, we'll we'll come back to him. But I think he's got a terrible depaz it's one of the worst I've ever seen. So the the 40 Niners the 40 Niners are just gonna
Rob Kelly:dig real quick.
Dave Clarke:That's what I'm gonna lead off with when we get to the MUJI conversation. Bernards defense is fucking great. They can play bend don't break defense when they have to. They can play ball hot defense when they have to. They have 50 Fucking schemes they can switch to they're super situational. They got fucking studs all over the field I hope BOCES okay, I haven't heard anything about him I don't know what's going going on there. But they're super fun to watch and I just really liked this team overall because like you said it's like a little earlier Bobby was there they're gonna be there they're gonna be there for all four quarters and they're gonna give themselves a chance to win the game They're well coached. There will manage they look quite frankly night and day different with with with Jimmy G and they're like on the offensive side of the ball and it's given their defense a chance to shine and be it's going to be between the cowboys and the foreigners. I think for St. Francis here and I'm leaning, I'm leaning 40 Niners at the moment, because I just feel like they're so versatile. They're so fast. They're so athletic. And they're smart. They're managing games from the defensive side of the ball. And it's really, really fun to watch. So, Joe, I'll go to you first on this, what have you liked from the 40, Niners on the defensive side of the ball, and then we can transition to talking about your, your favorite band in the world?
Joe Malkin:Well, Nick Bosa is the better Boso brother. He also does stay on the field more even though there's
Rob Kelly:a fall apart, bro. I don't understand those two. Well,
Dave Clarke:I think, I don't know. They don't they hardly play fucking heart. They do play
Rob Kelly:their muscles are just so strong or something they just read from their body, you know, and that's what keeps happening.
Joe Malkin:I just called Joey Bosa. Baby, but in context. I think he's kind of a baby. But Nick Bosa. I think I think they're both gamers. I think their defense is completely solid. They've done a great job of putting that defense together. And I think that's why Jimmy Jimmy fits well into the team because again, they have a good running game. They have a dynamic offense, and he really doesn't need to do a lot, but game manage. And then, you know, it's the same conversation we just had about Lamar, and I'm totally gonna switch sides of the ball on you right now, Dave, we just had this conversation about Lamar, oh, well, he's not a real quarterback. And then you see all the memes and stuff about Jimmy and it's like, go the I want a game and all we did was run and play defense. And it's like, great, great, it's the most important position on the field doesn't need to be your best and he can manage a game which he does very well. And he makes most of the throws that he needs to make, then that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. He's got a dynamic offense and guys that can go over the middle aren't afraid to go up against the big guys. He can make those short throws you're right his deep ball is terrible, but that's why they don't really have a guy that can go deep. So they've they've built the team around that style of offense. And I think that one I think that's why it's working better with Jimmy than it did did with what's his face who shouldn't have been the starting quarterback anyway, Trey Lance. And I think their defensive solid I mean they're they're three and two I don't think they're gonna end up winning this division at the end of the year but I think they'll remain the top 10 Most of the year because I just think they're that good and I think Shanahan is that good of a coach.
Rob Kelly:Yeah. Shanahan is really what makes this team go right. I mean, you look at what they can do with a running back position. It's just impressive, like anytime a fortnight or running back goes down. That next running back is the top waiver wire pickup and you know, you're getting eight to nine weeks of like, solid production out of that guy because they're just, they're so solid like, you know exactly what they're gonna do especially with Jimmy G at the helm. That's the thing is like, we know what this team can do we've already seen what they can do regardless of when they underperform or what games they lose because of you know, Jimmy G's sometimes shake games where he runs out of back end zones or shit like that, but like when it comes down to our last I'm gonna build them back up we're doing the sandwich here so but like when it comes down to it, he does win the games that matter and he does do what he needs to do to win the game and that's all that team needs. So as long as Jimmy G isn't doing ridiculous things that team is gonna go fine
Dave Clarke:yeah, I You said they're not going to win the division God meeting the rams are going to figure out what the fuck is going on and win the division. I got the fortnight winning it
Joe Malkin:I don't know because I kind of I kind of follow your thought process that we've talked about with Stafford where you're you know, you mentioned that they finally figured them out through
Dave Clarke:the fucking NFC North a decade ago. Yeah, I know what he was doing.
Joe Malkin:I think make they can can adjust to what's going on down there and I think they'll be alright it's gonna be it'll be close but I think the Rams will win that division.
Rob Kelly:I was we just played the rams and I gotta tell you that offense is not scary anymore. I don't know if it's because I have forgot amazing but like here's they're just it's only Cooper cup guys that's it
Dave Clarke:but I mean that's that's that's not something we haven't seen before with Stafford is the thing like I like I told you guys last season and I did end up being wrong because they went to the Super Bowl and they won one. But it was a little bit of a weird year. I mean, I'm not saying that the Bengals were like the hardest fucking Super Bowl opponent that anyone's ever had. But regardless, I mean you pressure them and what he does is I don't know if you guys remember playing like Madden against your friends in high school and like the kid that sucked like always just press the same button when he was trying to throw to throw throw two receivers so it was like just go and fucking Calvin Johnson say every single time are going to Cooper cup every fucking single time and it's like we pressure him and his vision goes he can't go through his reach. He's just that kind of quarterback and he's always been like that and I don't know they figured it out and unless they can get some serious protection time for him in there and figure that out whatever the fuck is going on and he can actually start going through his reads and spreading out that offense a little bit you know he's got weapons he doesn't even look at my you know it It's his fault, as far as I'm concerned, like he's been like shit.
Rob Kelly:You think about you. The two most important pieces to that run last year was Beckham and Von Miller. Those guys brought that everyone was you know that they're washed up there that not they Von Miller was where I would say Von Miller was amazing. And obj was about to be Super Bowl MVP until he tore his ACL so I just think those two losses are huge because now you look at the guys they replaced him with you got like two scrubs that outside linebacker and you got who's that say guys named Eric's gonna go water X school generic. Yeah, that's actually their place Odell Beckham with and Alan Robinson is invisible and doesn't exist doesn't get
Dave Clarke:looked at. Looked at. Yeah, he's
Rob Kelly:invisible. He just doesn't exist.
Dave Clarke:So I don't know. I picked somebody dropped him I think might have been your dad and I picked him up with the way. Maybe they'll start looking his way in a few weeks. I'll leave him on the bench to see what happens. But alright, power announcer you I enjoyed talking about the Florida Panthers. I'm looking forward to season out seeing how their season unfolds. And Bobby, how about them cowboys?
Rob Kelly:Hey, feels good. good segue. Good man. So I gotta admit, I'm still being reserved. So I kind of compare this to like, I'm at 204 cowboys or Oh, four capitals. Oh, four Red Sox stage with this team where like, I'll believe we want it. You heard it here. First,
Dave Clarke:folks. They're gonna win a championship Bobby says they're gonna they're gonna win a championship this season.
Rob Kelly:Okay, so the oh three Red Sox, I guess the pre oh four where I just I believe it when I see it, man, like I haven't. I do have all the faith in this team. I love this defense. And I think if they keep doing this, they are a tough team to beat. It can beat any team. Anyway, it doesn't matter who they match up against. If that defense is on, they can win that game. Who's the
Joe Malkin:quarterback? How?
Rob Kelly:But that will get that but I just I got to see it at the end of the season. However, for now, this defense is probably the best team I've ever watched in my entire life.
Dave Clarke:It is a good question though. Like, you know, it's sort of doesn't have to be I'll say
Rob Kelly:this. I'll say if if Cooper rush comes out and they beat the Eagles right? When Dak when DAX healthy. He's coming back. There's no doubt about that. When Jack's healthy he's coming back and Jerry Jones can say all he wants anyone to say no. How good about you that is if he sucks they're taking them up a good rush.
Joe Malkin:I don't I don't like that idea that
Rob Kelly:it's the Cowboys it's what they're gonna do. I promise you that's
Dave Clarke:given the Tom Brady role, you know,
Rob Kelly:so throws a few pics and again then you bring out a
Dave Clarke:shield man you got to let him go out on his shield. It's just you can't just go quarterback by committee just because the students fucking healthy he stunk up his first few a few games in the season and Cooper Rush is doing well. Like he just let them in for can play he's doing well. He's winning games. Let them play.
Joe Malkin:And the problem is David's Dak Dak probably won't let that happen. Because that's Jack's been somewhat of a pre production
Dave Clarke:career.
Joe Malkin:But yeah, but it'd be up to Jerry either hang on hang on we have this conversation while he's he is the GM so there is a little bit of weight there. Like outlet to coach we have a station that we have this conversation about every sport every year when it comes to coaching and the money that's invested in these guys and who should be playing in you're absolutely right. Dave sometimes it's the hot hand sometimes it's the better player. Here's a hot take. Maybe Cooper Rush is just better than Dak Prescott
Rob Kelly:that's not true. It's not maybe so but they've so that the entire game plan has changed with with Cooper rush and they're listening through for 106 yards on Sunday. It's not like he went up the joint on Sunday
Dave Clarke:if he wins if he wins two playoff games he's
Rob Kelly:he's he's on the same level if not a little below like the the Jimmy G tier that God he's winning games of football. I understand that I understand that but you can definitely let Dak come into the same exact offense that's that's what I don't think the offense
Dave Clarke:will be the same when he comes in but it's insane.
Joe Malkin:It wasn't the same when he left so why would it be the same when he comes back?
Rob Kelly:Because it's been successful you know I don't rush but why wouldn't it be successful with Dak Prescott
Dave Clarke:do it he's not gonna they simplify the offense for Cooper rush they simplify the offense for Cooper rush die precedence is going to come in and be like I want my playbook back. We got to add all these plays back in and he's gonna fuck up and you guys are gonna lose again. Just leave the fucking good.
Joe Malkin:Zeke even better with
Rob Kelly:a quarterback like what? So this is this this is this whole narrative is just it's I'm not. I got it. I do. I love Cooper rush and I love what he's doing. This is amazing. But Dak Prescott is still the starting quarterback of this team and he he brings such a different element to the team. I get what happened week one. Alright, we've already talked about what is week one week one week one is is bullshit. You know what I mean? I overreacted you Everyone overreacts to week one. But if you bring in Dak to this right, and you still give Pollard 15 carries a game, you still give Zeke carries the game, and Dak also throws for 275 yards. It just adds such a different element. 100 Listen,
Joe Malkin:I think you're underestimating the ego of Dak Prescott, Bobby, let me ask you a hypothetical. I'm
Rob Kelly:not though I'm just I think I think you guys are overestimating what why we're winning Cooper Rush is not why we're Why have you ever been
Dave Clarke:broke? Don't fix it?
Rob Kelly:Yeah, but it is broken,
Joe Malkin:guys. Hey, we're healthy. When Trey Lance's healthy does he come back and start over to imagery?
Rob Kelly:No. That's so different. That's so different.
Joe Malkin:Let me give you a red pill. Question. Hang on Red Pill blue pill hypothetical. Okay. Okay. blue pill, you get Dak Prescott. You're guaranteed to go to the playoffs. But you can lose in the first round. Red Pill. Cowboys have Cooper Russia as the quarterback. Guaranteed to go to the NFC Championship
Rob Kelly:of rush. You don't even you got but the thing is, is so listen, that's what I'm gonna take out of the matrix I love so i This is the green one. But we ran out. This is my theory where this is like what how the optimal path I've seen decision shaking out as Cooper Raj does stay in. We beat Philly this week. I don't know if that's gonna happen. But we beat Philly this week if we be Philly Cooper rush days and until he puts like shit, in my opinion. If that happens, then you bring DAC in and he takes over from there. If it doesn't, it doesn't. And then you let Cooper keep playing. And then you trade him for a first round pick and duck still the starting goddamn quarterback of this franchise guys. He is it'll be a Nick Foles Carson Wentz situation what I'm not saying a smart I'm not saying it's smart. I agree. I'm not saying I agree with it. I'm telling you what's gonna happen. And that's that's that's just how the Cowboys Listen, we just gave up. Randy Gregory, Amari Cooper, and all these guys because we paid Zeke $95 million. We paid Dak Prescott 100 Fucking whatever. Dak Prescott is going No way. The only person who's getting traded is Cooper rush. I can promise you
Dave Clarke:Yeah, maybe but I'm talking about this season.
Rob Kelly:I get that.
Dave Clarke:All right, moving on.
Joe Malkin:Alright, who's the next team before I go off on a
Rob Kelly:live lesson first? We can't just take it all up with Cooper rush. How about that fucking defense?
Dave Clarke:Do they look great? I told you they're gonna look great. I don't know why everybody was so puzzle this them like not being a good defense. They're like best defense on paper.
Joe Malkin:Very much like the 40 Niners good defense with a quarterback who can game manage the game and win.
Dave Clarke:Yeah, I mean, I think that the Cowboys get me GSB has like more recognizable all stars on it than the 40 Niners but I think that the 40 Niners maybe play a little bit better as a cohesive unit but I enjoy watching both of them I've been enjoying the Cowboys defense past couple seasons as you know Bobby I've been on your been on your team for that one. Alright, moving on. I think what we're gonna do is we're just because we only have a couple minutes left we're gonna take the bills the chiefs in the eagles who are three two and one respectively. And we're just going to parse them out a little bit because the the bills and the chiefs are going to play each other soon. And both of these teams have both teams have obviously are completely fucking stacked on paper. You know, the bills were everybody's number one pound for pound coming in the Chiefs obviously still amazing. You know, Juju doesn't look quite as good as Tyreke hill because it got the same targets but still, I mean like it for Travis Kelce is just looking like the best tight end of all time out there like scoring four touchdowns in a given night. So thanks kept
Joe Malkin:me in a fantasy matchup this weekend, which was outstanding. Yeah, I
Dave Clarke:want my points. But yeah, you got
Joe Malkin:how many minutes I made this morning?
Dave Clarke:Yeah, they emailed me to be like
Rob Kelly:that Twitter post I put up on the bulletin board in Joe's locker. Everyone got fired. Everybody got it? Everybody's gotten
Joe Malkin:cleaned house.
Dave Clarke:I tried to help you. I tried to make some trade offers that you just wouldn't do.
Joe Malkin:Yeah. Now I'm now I'm screwed this week, because both of my top running backs are on by so I maybe I should have done that with you know, maybe
Dave Clarke:we can talk. All right. So the bills in the chiefs are kind of similar situations where they're highly rated teams that have looked a little bit deficient in certain areas, maybe haven't won games quite as as decisively as we may have expected them to, between the bills and the chiefs. And I'll reserve the Eagles for a second between the bills and the chiefs. Who do you have more faith in to secure themselves a championship this year now that a few games have have sort of unfolded and you've seen them both on the field. Bobby, are
Joe Malkin:you ready? Let's answer at the same time 123 be cheap buffalo.
Rob Kelly:I think they both so when you think about it, they've both had moments this season, where they look like they don't want to win games. You know what I mean? Where they're just copying things where you're like, what, what are they doing? Yeah, but they also both have had moments where you're like, oh my god like this. This is football. Like, like Monday. Horn. Right. Exactly. And there was a Thursday, whatever. They played the Yeah. Do they be 44 to seven? Someone. But yeah, they're they're just beautiful football. And if you had asked me to pick between one of the two, I got to pick the chief spam, because you've seen him do it before and they kind of molded the offense to a point where, listen, mahomes was getting into trouble last year, forcing that ball down the field so much. And they've kind of reel that back in to where now it's Edwards Hilaire. And now they got that rookie up and Shaco runs. Right and it's a whole different system. Monday night time, but mahomes could still be there is the thing you know what I mean? Like so you still have this conservative system, but at the same time, a home's can still light it up when you ask him to. So it's just it's a different elements that they have now.
Joe Malkin:I just think the bills are a wagon. I still think they're a wagon. I've said it. I've said it in preseason last year. I said a preseason this year, and I'll say it now I just think I think Josh Allen has become the quarterback that no one thought he could become I think he's got really really good receivers. His his backfield is better than they were with Brian De ball as the OC and their defense is outstanding. And they brought in Von Miller and they made the right move bringing in Von Miller. I think they're, I think they're the more reliable team. I understand what Bobby's saying. I think if you you can rely on the chiefs to give you a quick hitter. They've done it before they've been there before. But I think the bills right now are just building towards greatness and consistency and they're doing a hell of a job at it.
Rob Kelly:I just want to same beat the Chiefs if they beat the chiefs on board.
Dave Clarke:That would obviously be a big test. I think that the Chiefs though, you know, just just I would probably pick the Chiefs for as of right now just based on what I've seen from them. But I think the Chiefs much like you guys we're talking about Kirk Cousins and primetime like they're kind of the opposite like the Chiefs I think are better the bigger the game the more eyes on in the world pressure on him I think they get better and I think that's a that's a formidable quality and in a team that you know it it tends to get you a championship or two if you get better when the pressures on so a question for both you and we'll we'll sort of end on this point. Bobby, you pick the chiefs. Joe you pick the bills, Bobby I'll start with you. The Chiefs play the Eagles in NFC FC right yeah, so that cheese played eagles in the Super Bowl. Who wins and why
Rob Kelly:I think chiefs were men when it comes down to it let's I know you're gonna make me contradict my Power Rankings live on the air. Thanks for No,
Dave Clarke:no, no, because I know like you said like the Power Rankings are like Amazon right now. Right? You're talking about we're talking about a championship game. For all the fucking marbles. It's next week, and they got to go play. The Chiefs are playing the eagles who you got.
Rob Kelly:Yeah, what what my brain goes to is what I've seen before. And in my experience in the past. Listen, I've seen Patrick mahomes and a championship game show up and show up when his team that game. I've seen Jalen hertz, show up to a championship game and almost lose his team that game and the BCS National Championship game like, what five years ago to add to come in and save the day. But that just burned in my mind until further notice. But Jaylen until I see Jaylen performing the playoffs. I will have some doubts about Philly and how far they can go into January. But if it's like a week seven game, and it's in Philly, I'll pick Philly. You know, like 100% I pick Philly. But the Superbowl man. Yeah, I think I got chiefs.
Dave Clarke:So Joe, you shows the Buffalo Bills between the two. Same situation and fcafc Buffalo Bills are playing the Philadelphia Eagles industry rule. Josh Allen in the wagon, versus Jalen hertz and
Joe Malkin:his bird cage
Dave Clarke:his friends. What we got he's got he's got an
Rob Kelly:electric scooter just like
Joe Malkin:I got the AFC regardless of which one of those teams takes them on. I think the Eagles are flawed. I don't think they're as good as we think they are or they're making us believe. I don't think it's like the I don't think it's like the the 11 and Oh start to Pittsburgh had was that two years ago? I don't think they're that flood. But I don't think they even get to this Well, I don't think Jalen hertz ends up winning.
Dave Clarke:There isn't a question with the Eagles. We did talk about this last week.
Joe Malkin:Yeah. And it's I mean, the rest this week this week is a test. It's it's against the Cowboys. How can they? How will they play against this kind of a defense? This kind of game management, not the quarterback himself, but the overall plan. I mean,
Rob Kelly:in a moment if we don't do well against mobile quarterbacks, so
Joe Malkin:they beat the lions by three, they blew out the Vikings who I still think are good football team. They blew up the commander's were a bad football team. They beat the Jaguars by eight, and they beat the Cardinals by three. And now they have the cowboys and the Steelers back to back. Not that I think that the Steelers are a great football team. But that's always a hard nosed battle between those two teams. Either way.
Dave Clarke:You can't really, you know, anything can happen. But I
Joe Malkin:think I think that team is flawed. And I don't think Nick Sirianni is a very good coach. So I would take the AFC regardless of which two teams, both the
Rob Kelly:Eagles and the Cowboys have the entire AFC South remaining on there. Just
Dave Clarke:just say it's nice. So there'll be around the beach already. So I mean, I thought you know, I I'd have to agree with you guys in your assessment of the Eagles. I mean, I have been pretty vocal about it up until this point, but I will say just as a counterpoint. The I've seen teams build up really good records against not very good teams, and that confidence has carried them through. So you know, even if they don't beat everybody, and they do get weather you know, they're number one the power rankings, so we have to sort of conceptualize that being unsuitable, and if they are, it'd be a fun Super Bowl to watch a lot of dynamic players. I'd love to see him come through the ravens to like that'd be crazy or not, they can't write an NFC AFC I always get this I always get there. I was like the Ravens win the NFC for some reason, but you know, that'd be a cool matchup. I doubt it. I doubt like both teams are making the phone get through but that that'd be a cool matchup. But even
Rob Kelly:even if the Eagles lost every tough game remaining on their schedule, they would only hang three losses then the season. Yeah,
Dave Clarke:and they could be they could be a dynamic incompetent team going into the playoffs that just rides that streak. But I think what we did with our little hypothetical is we discovered that that was not even though even though the Eagles are number one in the Power Rankings no one fucking believes in them all right, for Broadway Joe Malkin for the real BK Bob Kelly MDK sizzle Dave Clark, and that was missing the point. Thanks for listening.