Super Bowl 55 Recap | Tom Brady Has 7 Lombardi Trophies | What Was The Patriot Way?

Craig D'Alessandro: 0:24

This episode of missing the point is being brought to you by box Oh crafts, save 15% off your first holiday box at checkout with the promo code MTP. That's box o crafts.com. On this week's episode of missing the point, we recap Superbowl 55 between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Kansas City Chiefs. We'll discuss Tom Brady winning his seventh Lombardi Trophy in his 10th Super Bowl appearance. And if the Patriot way was really about Tom Brady all along, and not Bill Belichick this is missing the point, Episode 39. But it's all relative.

Joe Malkin: 1:12

Welcome to missing the point. I'm your host Joe Malkin joined by the Cowboys fan Bob Kelly. The Bears fan. Dave Clark. I'm a Patriots fan. And I think Craig and Mike are Tampa fans. So let's get right into the Super Bowl, which was this past weekend between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Kansas City Chiefs in which the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? Pretty much were the only team that showed up winning the game 31 to nine over the Kansas City Chiefs. And of course I joke about the your fandom, Mike, but you know, there's a lot to talk about in this game. Really, you know, starting before the game for me, there was one storyline that came out the night before the Super Bowl is that Patrick mahomes was going to need toe surgery after the Super Bowl and I'm still trying to figure out what reporter leaked that the night before the Super Bowl. But guys, let's get into this and let's talk about this game because I know we all have some very strong opinions on this. And I honestly I think we're really all aligned on this game. The elephant in the room is Tom Brady winning his seventh Super Bowl in his 21 year career.

Rob Kelly: 2:22

I think it's more like I think it's more like the goat in the room.

Joe Malkin: 2:25

The golden nugget.

Dave Clarke: 2:28

He's not just gonna be the Tom Brady fucking jerk off our

Joe Malkin: 2:32

mean if you want it to be.

Dave Clarke: 2:35

How about we start off by holding him responsible for his least entertaining Superbowl of the seven because that game fucking sucks. Like it was the least entertaining

Joe Malkin: 2:44

for everyone else. But I think if you wanted

Unknown: 2:47

to Yeah, pretty entertaining was a bucking blowout.

Joe Malkin: 2:50

Yeah, but Dave, as you have to see this from a Patriots fan standpoint where we did see that for nine Super Bowls before this. Not every Super Bowl was like the Super Bowl against the Rams where it came down to the wire. They all they all were pretty close,

Unknown: 3:04

actually, like he always kind of had good games.

Joe Malkin: 3:07

Well, well, he had a great game last night. But we're used to this Mike Right. I mean, isn't this kind of the way it was in New England for a while where they they kind of bore you to death and and when so it's exciting for us and boring for everybody else?

Craig D'Alessandro: 3:19

Yeah, I mean, I think that we're just precondition to expect that Brady's gonna show up in this game. Right and like showing up for Brady can either be he throws for five touchdowns and 500 yards and loses against the Eagles or he throws for 220 yards and three touchdowns. And his team, you know wins by 22 points. I would just say Dave that for me. Like a blah. A blowout when Patrick mahomes is down is different than every other team because you're only three for three throws out of it right? Because he could just flick the wrist. And then he hits Tyree kill for you.

Dave Clarke: 3:51

So you were kind of expecting him to come back for long and then yeah,

Craig D'Alessandro: 3:53

so I think I think like it didn't hit me that it was that big of a deficit until like three minutes. Like when he threw that pic in the end zone. At the end. I was like, Alright, well, it's actually over now they just can't do it. See,

Dave Clarke: 4:03

I used to think the same thing about Brady Super Bowls. Like I feel like in your head the vibe is that he went and won them handily. But if you just think of like even off the top of my head, it's like it's a voluntary kick, another finitary kick, a massive comeback against the Falcons, which is definitely the best game. I think I don't think that's arguable. But then again, knowing you guys you might find a way to fucking argue about it. But then the Seahawks like handing them the game. So it was they were all really close like tight, tightly contested contest. riveting from start to finish is what I usually expect from a tom brady participation in a Super Bowl like the product is usually better, but it was just a blowout It was like,

Rob Kelly: 4:39

but even aside from the blowout, what we saw, aside from Tom Brady, like putting all that aside, is we saw a defense come in and just absolutely dismantle one of the greatest offensive we've ever seen. Granted, it was probably one of the worst offensive line performances I've ever seen in my life. But for them to come in there and just have that gameplan and just perfect it and to actually turn mahomes over all those times make him look like he legitimately looked like I saw a tweet that was like Ladies and gentlemen, you now know what it would look like if mahomes played for the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, that's exactly what it was the entire game and for them to do that to three Hall of Fame quarterbacks in a row. That defense to me is the story coming out of there.

Joe Malkin: 5:31

I want to just interrupt there because you mentioned the the turnover of the offensive line and the turnover of Patrick mahomes. And maybe the fact of Bruce Arians and Byron Leftwich and Tom Brady and Todd Bowles, who's probably the real MVP of this game, Bobby. Right. I mean, I think we can agree on that, which kind of goes into another point I want to bring up during this episode as well. But, Mike, you talked about what the end of the game for you like when you really knew it was over. And right before we jumped on, Dave, you mentioned the the moment in the game when it was over for you. And it's one of the most interesting storylines, because it came to fruition again on Monday, and what was the real endpoint of that game for you?

Dave Clarke: 6:14

It was when the honey badger Matthew was getting Tom Brady's face, like that's the worst thing you can do. It's like he has been watching football for the last 20 years. It's an absolutely wildly bad decision on his part, like Who were you at that point? Like, I know, you're having a good season, whatever. But I just think I think you can kind of narrow it down in retrospect, because I do agree that like, you know, the Chiefs can come back into the game at any point. So we were all just sort of sitting there going, like, when are they going to do that thing where they were saying it to each other last night? When are they going to do that thing where they score like 2028 points in two seconds and all of a sudden the game is different. But there was some key momentum shifts. We were arguing last night about the refs. I think the rest are too involved like I think that they were because I think you can tell because they uninvolved themselves in the second half, like they got a lot less involved in the second half. And I think it was like, do we really want to affect the outcome of the Super Bowl or we want to just, you know, have these two teams play with each other but the holding call the offsides call for better for worse, I'm not I don't want to sit here argue about the fucking referees where it's like, oh, was it a penalty was it wasn't it Who gives a shit they call it right? But because those two things happen, those are, you know boneheaded. or however you want to look at it. defensive plays that really help the offense on the offensive side of the Tampa Bay ball, get going, you know, and Brady then get into a rhythm, which is had to be on the top of the bulletin board to the entire week for the chiefs. It's like don't let Brady get into a rhythm. Don't let him get into a rhythm. Right away. He just gets like to second chances. You can't do that. If Tom Brady's playing against you doesn't matter if he's 43 or 23. You can't you have to you have to not make decisions like that to get him into a position to to hurt you twice. If you already got him out of there. Like you picked him off or whatever. Like don't hold, you know, it's all good. But Brady's gonna beat you if you do that. So those momentum swings are big. But yeah, the second he started getting in Matthew, Matthew started getting Brady's face. I mean, I was like, dude, there's no way that chiefs are gonna win this game.

Rob Kelly: 8:03

Especially right right after first, he gets burned. Gets

Unknown: 8:09

Yeah, hold on waxed.

Rob Kelly: 8:12

And all of a sudden, he's talking to all of what I've never seen a player get toasted so bad turn around and start acting.

Dave Clarke: 8:20

It was a guy who there was no doubt in his mind all week that he was winning a Super Bowl. Like that's that was a guy who's like I play for this the Kansas City Chiefs. We fuckin starch everybody that we play 100% winning the Super Bowl, and then like his whole world came crashing down because he just never entered his mind. There was a possibility that they could lose, which might be a good way to think about it in some ways. But, man, he looks surprised

Craig D'Alessandro: 8:43

to see like, like the 43 year old Brady, like run up to him and say, I'm gonna go I'm coming for you. I'm gonna come for you every single time. And then he did it. And like you just can't. Like he. Brady lived rent free and honey badgers head that entire game

Dave Clarke: 9:00

and the fact that he then tortured him for the remainder of the year. him specifically, like just was like, I'm coming for you now. Like, that guy is gonna have nightmares about Tom Brady for the rest of his life. Yeah. And like, he didn't need to do that.

Joe Malkin: 9:14

Historically, that's what Tom Brady's done, right? Like he he knows what, what, especially in secondary, he knows what a DB is going to do. before he even does it. And a point to make here and Dave talks about a holding column. We're not going to mince what happened with Carl Jeffers and his crew. Sarah Thomas had a great game. I thought the officiating was really good for the most part but the Evans

Rob Kelly: 9:38

one was a clear I thought it was double tangled feet and grabbed his foot.

Joe Malkin: 9:43

So you're ahead of where we are. So the one that that got called back was on it was picked him off. And guess who made that

Dave Clarke: 9:52

deflection and it was like it was a holding call. It was Tyrone Matthews. I just don't think a I don't think he really held him. I think he was just like turning with him. You gotta let him play. You got to let him play a little bit in the Super Bowl. One Two. Do you really want to like it's a turnover? Like do you really want to get involved if you can avoid it and three, there's it's not it's it should be like a pass interference. The fact that they call the hold is so specific because it wasn't catchable. While that receiver like there was no way for him to impact the play got batted up in the air, and he was 100 miles away from the play if you're

Unknown: 10:23

between those two calls, bangbang two,

Rob Kelly: 10:25

it was like, tip hold.

Dave Clarke: 10:27

Yeah. And it's like that shit happens on every play, like there's holding on the offensive line on every single play. And it's like you can decide as a referee if you want to get involved and affect this game, this Super Bowl, because I think and like there's no way for me to prove this because I don't have a quantum leap accelerator, a time machine. But I'm 100% Sure. For what it's worth that if that holding call doesn't happen, then we have at the very least a much better game. And the referees I think saw that someone's was like, You guys need to get your hands off this game right now. Because they got they were a lot less involved. And then that to me, when against the Chiefs again, because then the books were kind of getting away with some stuff. There was some choppy stuff that the books were doing. But I think the referees, I don't think they were playing favorites, that would just be stupid on their part that doesn't benefit them at all. And I think that kind of conspiracy theory doesn't help anybody. But I do think that they were like a little too involved. And then they were like, let's be less involved. And it looked a little bit like they were favoring one team because of that. I'm not saying they were though, and it's I just wouldn't want I wished for I pined for a better game. That's all I'm saying to you guys last night. And I just didn't want the rest to be involved

Craig D'Alessandro: 11:29

for me that like Romo on the broadcast is saying the entire time but the Chiefs hold, they hold so if he's saying that just and I know for moral certainty that Tampa Bay, everyone was telling the wrestling watch for them because they notoriously get away with this stuff. And to your I think you're right to your point, they probably you know, towards the second half, they're like okay, well, we are influencing this game too much. Right. So, you know, maybe we shouldn't but I think it also the Chiefs played smarter and had they played that way in the first half they might have been a little bit different because I think Tampa Bay is on disciplined but they're not. They're typically not on discipline during the during the play.

Dave Clarke: 12:07

It was back to back to it's gonna feel like such a punch in the mouth because Okay, the whole call like look you're playing I'm not gonna blame the Kansas City Chiefs for that because they're that's the that's their game. You know what I mean? They play physical. All their guys are fast, athletic. Like, it's one on one coverage. Like I'm a big advocate of like one on one coverage, you should give the defensive back a little bit of leeway because it's a hard job, man. I think it's the hardest job on the field. I think that it's really difficult to try and anticipate a guy's moves, especially with the athleticism the wide receivers have these days. And you give him a little bit of benefit of doubt. Let him play let him fight a little bit. You know, also, like, whatever we don't need to get into like the catch rule because we're gonna end up in meme territory at this point, but don't whatever about the Chiefs there. Then they lined up offsides that's on them. Like you got to be smarter than that. But the fact that it was like Bang Bang, right? Like Bobby was saying like, right two things smack in the mouth. And it's just like, oh my god. Now it goes from the fact that you're on fourth and five you got them to fourth and five and you lined up off sides to give them a first down that is gonna be devastating to your like morale. You know, and as much as the chiefs are coming back all the time, and like they can score really fast like that specific level of stuff that was happening to them. I feel like that fox anybody.

Craig D'Alessandro: 13:14

Also it wasn't the same guy but the Chiefs did that against the Patriots in 2018 in the AFC title game. Yet D Jones just lined up offsides, and it was again it was like third and fourth and that's just inexcusable so if that's that's coaching that's what that's right like you just can't line up off sorry, Pittsburgh Steelers

Dave Clarke: 13:31

we would be absolutely killing Mike Tomlin right now. Yeah, like we would be like nine miles deep into how much is my Thomas suck conversation so

Rob Kelly: 13:39

the thing real quick what holding penalties is like what when do holding penalties happen the most is when you're getting your ass beat. When you know your beat, you grab on to dues that's what you do. Okay, but the holding

Dave Clarke: 13:52

penalty doesn't feel new. Bobby, like Doesn't it feel new now that this deep down the field, they call a whole thing?

Joe Malkin: 13:58

Well, the reason they do that is because it's before the throat. So that's the difference between a PA and a hold.

Dave Clarke: 14:05

But the uncatchable thing applies to a pass interference in my head for a while. I always thought that once they were passing remember that like five yard cushion euro they were always talking about where you can fuck with him for five yards. But I think the referees don't like to watch that because that's too much to watch. And then all of a sudden the holding costs started getting called farther and farther down the field. And it's like wait, I thought it was past interference once it's down there, which was better because if the balls on catchable it you don't want to get yourself involved? Like I was saying. So it's like if it's a hole, like the fact that it was a holding call that deep down he the dude was turning around you were saying that last night show. The dude was turning around. He didn't stop them from turning around. He didn't really even use his body to like change his momentum or anything.

Joe Malkin: 14:47

I think it was a good route in that way. Is that the way he turned it and now we're breaking it down doing exactly what we didn't want to do. But the way the receiver returned, it made it look like he was turned by the defender.

Dave Clarke: 14:59

defender was just tight on the defender side with him. He didn't stay with him and he was touching him. I get that. But usually when you're arguing about a calling, at the end of the tape, there's a football coming towards them. And it's like, ooh, was he holding him and that's why he didn't catch it. It's like that ball was nowhere near.

Joe Malkin: 15:13

That's the difference in the rules. And this is where we need friend of the show Dean blandino. That's the difference in the rules is that prior to what you're talking about, is in order for a pass interference to be called the ball. means to be in the air. And if the ball is tipped,

Unknown: 15:27

which on this play, it was deemed catchable?

Joe Malkin: 15:30

Well, yes, deemed casual, but usually that implies that the ball is going out of bounds, which is why I thought the pass interference in the end zone against Mike Evans on bashaud breeland was bad.

Dave Clarke: 15:41

That would actually make more sense to me if you're calling the whole because you're it wants it. You're like you're preventing him from trying to go get the ball, like trying like you're preventing him from trying to go recover a fumble or something like maybe, but like a holding link. Holding is already shitty. It's more stopping making them not be able to get into their routes, you need to let the wide receiver run. He finished his route. He did

Joe Malkin: 16:05

but we're losing the progression of the rule here. So Dave, wait, let's go back. Wait, but before we lose our entire viewership, what your listenership? Well, you're talking about before that five yard cushion, if there was contact made after that five yard cushion prior to the ball being thrown, it used to be illegal contact, right, and it was a five yard penalty and a first down, they've gotten rid of the illegal contact unless it's hands to the face. And now if there's if there is a hold, which is usually getting outside the pads or turning a guy in his rope, prior to the ball being thrown, that's why they say in the call prior to the ball being thrown holding so and so on the defense. So the ball is prior to being thrown if the ball is in the air, and there's contact made it's pass interference, however, that completely changes if the ball is tipped by a defender. At that point holding and pi are completely out the window and the balls live, you can tackle the guy if you wanted to.

Unknown: 16:59

So how are you going to how you made How does that make sense to make that call then?

Joe Malkin: 17:03

Because it doesn't because the call was wrong.

Rob Kelly: 17:05

It was too close. It was too close to call give you that it was definitely too close to being tipped in that happening. And I honestly feel like it was like, because the turnover happen. I'm just that's why. Which is terrible. That's why it got thrown that because right. Consequences they knew. They knew, right? They knew something happened. And they knew that was such a big play that like when that happened. They're like, okay, that had to be a penalty. You know

Dave Clarke: 17:35

what I mean? That had to be a penalty. I make this fucking argument all the time in all sports. That's context refereeing. And you can't do that. You have to call the game the way the game is supposed to be called, if you say, oh, like if somebody did. This is the example. It always happens. It's in soccer, it's in basketball, and football, whatever. If a team if somebody on the team gets sent off, like ejected, right? If somebody got ejected in that game, and then the next person, like another person did an ejectable offense that was arguably worse than the first one, he's not going to get ejected. Because it's like, well, I already sent that other guy off. And it's like, that's context you're applying context. And all your fucking job is to apply the rules at all times. It's in fact, your job to not be affected by the context of what's going on. And if you are affected by the context, you're doing a bad job. So I'm not taking any credit away from Tom Brady in the Buccaneers. And I'm not trying to blame the referees, because that's just like weak sauce. And I'm also not a chiefs fan. I don't really give a shit who won. I'm just saying, I wish they didn't get involved in that play. Because a lot of things change if they don't, because it's all momentum. You know, that's the good and bad of it being

Joe Malkin: 18:40

humanized, the officiating, being humanized. But it's also where the sense of being able to review everything in slow mo replays and us sitting here breaking down a play. And did he turn the receiver? Did he not? Yeah, I mean, that's they almost forced context into the calls based on how it's seen and the fact that there's so many cameras, and you're absolutely right, where we won't take anything away. And, Mike, I'll let you make your point. You were trying to jump in on there. We can't take any way anything away from Tom Brady in the Buccaneers.

Dave Clarke: 19:13

Here's the thing that here's the way that you can put yourself in it and how you're going to react. Right? But you can go Okay, well, if it was my team, right? So like, Mike, you asked me last night, right, where it's like, well, if it was the bears, would you want the call? I'm like, Yeah, but if it was the bears playing d i would be fucking furious if they call that like, I'd be so angry, you know, and I think if I was like the bears playing offense, I think I'd be like, ooh, I would love that call. But I think I would look at it like ooh, borderline I was kind of got bailed out there. Because I usually try to blame my team first. I try to blame them. I'm like, you guys are fucking idiots. Okay, like you shouldn't have gotten yourself in that situation in the first place. You got bailed out by the refs you know,

Craig D'Alessandro: 19:53

I mean, so I agree that that holding call was tough right? Because it was so close that I I tend to agree that like tie goes to the runner right? Like if it's that close don't also isn't true, like right, but just don't throw it like just let it happen. If you're if you're not

Unknown: 20:07

sure

Craig D'Alessandro: 20:08

yet, but based on what we saw, based on the fact that the Tampa Bay defense made Patrick mahomes run for over 500 yards behind the line of scrimmage I would want anyway. Like do we think that that like just a pic on the 30 yard line would have really made that big of a difference based on what would have made a better game. I

Unknown: 20:24

think Maybe but they couldn't score Viking touchdown. You're right.

Rob Kelly: 20:27

So they didn't score any touchdowns I think that's a big but the game script you're right the game script would have been different. It would have been different 100% of the time

Dave Clarke: 20:36

on all the time momentum is so big in football it is in like, and like it's a turnover like it's Tom Brady thrown a pic.

Rob Kelly: 20:43

The beginning of that game just was so scripted towards the Chiefs favor and they blew it man that that first and that for that first. First, first 10 minutes. They had that game. The Bucs had two drives in a row where they punted if you told me the Bucs punted their first two drives in the Super Bowl.

Dave Clarke: 21:04

There Tell me if I'm wrong about this. I feel like I imagined this but did they say that their punter It was like his third time punting in the postseason.

Unknown: 21:12

Yeah, I remember hearing like he has nerves or he's nervous about something like,

Dave Clarke: 21:18

do they just not punt? Or did they have a different guy this whole time?

Rob Kelly: 21:22

The chiefs are the bucks. Either the Chiefs the chiefs, yeah, they just don't pump. They just don't pump. That's how good that defense was, is like they I think they punted once against buffalo. They punted once against Baltimore. That's it. That's it.

Dave Clarke: 21:37

And then there was that wild play where there there was that wild part where their punter fucking must've dropped it. And then but then he, he absolutely ripped it. Free jumped and it went, like a million miles. And then he like, caught it clean. The next time he shanked it out of bounds. I was like, Who is this guy

Joe Malkin: 21:54

that was on the same floor down because there was a holding penalty against the

Dave Clarke: 21:58

back. And it was another thing they were getting involved and like to get out of the game like,

Joe Malkin: 22:02

but that then that call was right, though. That call was right. I mean, what I was talking about was the the Battle of the masterminds between Eric B enemy and Todd Bowles. But yeah, when it comes to the, to that holds call, I mean, the moment they get on the outside of the pads, that's a hold. I mean, that's just the way that goes. So, you know, we have to talk about the job cuz Mike, you just brought it up the 500 yards that Patrick mahomes ran for behind the line. But let's talk about Todd Bowles, because Todd Bowles has to be talked about. And I mean, as much as the MVP, arguably really could have gone to Rob gronkowski. It went to Tom Brady, but Todd Bowles really did everything in his power to get his team up and get his team ready for this game. And they motivated the hell out of that defense. I don't I agree with David at the point where I knew the game was over was when Tyron Matthew got in the face of Tom Brady. It was pretty early on when you could see the pocket crumbling. And you watched how that defense was written up.

Dave Clarke: 23:09

They were running the ball, okay, though. They were like, What's his name? Edwards Hilaire. He was playing pretty well. And I feel like they were moving the ball. And then there was like a couple other momentum things on the other side, like Tampa made a boneheaded decision to hand it off to what's his name, Chris Jones, instead of Leonard fournette with and they couldn't get a yard. Roger. Roy Jones, yeah. And then it's like, you can't like a lot of the times that's the biggest piece of momentum in a game. Like there was a there was games in these playoffs we talked about where guys not being able to get a yard that was a theme of the entire playoffs, like you're not you can't get a fucking yard, you're gonna punt there. And they got stuffed on the line, which is like usually has a bigger impact, you know, and like that could have been a momentum swing, but the Chiefs just couldn't grab it. It was so weird,

Craig D'Alessandro: 23:48

honestly, for me, I think it goes back to that to that game earlier in the year. Right. I mean, if you really want to think about this, Todd Bowles has held tableless has held Kansas City to 16 points in the last six quarters.

Rob Kelly: 24:09

I'm going to add to that stat for you. So so since then, those 16 points, the Buccaneers have scored 55. So since those first three quarters is 55 to 19 Kiko

Craig D'Alessandro: 24:21

like what that tells me is that in the halftime of that first game, Bowles figured out what they were doing right, it just turns out that they were down too much in that first game to really come back all the way. But Kansas City, I don't want to call them arrogant, but they're arrogant offensively. Right? Because they have Patrick mahomes, Travis, Kelsey, and tyreke Hill. And who wouldn't be but Bowles was like, Listen, if you just leave two safeties back you double hill over the top, you double Kelsey, let's see what happens. And they did that for Sam was wondering

Dave Clarke: 24:52

why like who mahomes couldn't get the ball out. You know what I mean? Like I'm sure tyreke Hill and Travis cuz he would have burned them for a few plays if they were able to get them the ball, but it was they stopped the source

Unknown: 25:01

tyreke Hill, played zero snaps in the Super Bowl where he wasn't double covered.

Rob Kelly: 25:06

I mean, and they were able to do that because after that first drive, balls, just stop with him. I think he Blitz a blitz on 4% of the snaps or something like that. And like after the first quarter, and he got I think I saw stats. I got pressure. 64% of the time, he was pressured 29 times.

Dave Clarke: 25:28

You know what it reminds me which is actually kind of crazy and like sorry to bring this up but like it This might. This ever might. Yeah reminds me of, it's got all the storylines of this great team that everyone says is unbeatable. They play in the regular season. And there's that weird moment of like, Oh, they like did better. They lost like everybody loses. But they did like a little bit better than like teams usually do, like the Giants did with the Pats. And then they both like they both do really well. In the playoffs, they get to the Super Bowl, obviously. And then it's the same exact storyline of the game. It's the hot shit quarterback gets pressured by a front seven that nobody was talking about, or not talking about enough. And he gets completely thrown off his rhythm. And he like can't do what he normally does or has been able to do to every team all season. And then everything starts to sort of crumble. It's like Brady ran that play back on a different team that that play had been run on him, you know, and he was like, it was kind of like a revenge and revenge story, but he wasn't getting revenge on anybody because Eli Manning was sitting at home.

Craig D'Alessandro: 26:27

Well, Steve spagnola, or he was he was still the defensive guy. But I think like, for me, we've been talking about this last

Dave Clarke: 26:35

appeared Paul was in both,

Craig D'Alessandro: 26:37

which is crazy. Crazy. We've been talking about the last two shows, if you Blitz six mahomes will beat you. If you like if you can get to him with four because he just dumps it over to john. Yeah, and and credit to balls. Like he saw that in those first few drives. He was blitzing it, and mahomes is taking them apart. So he said, I'm not I'm just not gonna do that. We'll just figure it out. I think it was I think Devin white just showed up. I mean, I just think he took over the game. Like Bobby said he would and I think, listen, that teams for real, and that defense that we I think collectively, we thought it was good. It's top 10 right. But we never said like, Listen, this is an oh seven giants like defense. They were in that game.

Rob Kelly: 27:18

That so if you look at my home stats, it was the second worst game of his entire career. He had acute here QPR 49.9 26 and 49. So he threw the ball 49 fucking times in that game for 270 yards. That's unbelievable that what they were able to do to him. It's crazy. That secondary that threw him fits all night long.

Joe Malkin: 27:41

And Travis Kelsey still had 10 catches for 133 bucks.

Unknown: 27:46

The man ran for it for half of what Brady's run for in 23 years in one game behind the line of scrimmage. Like just just

Dave Clarke: 27:57

like he was making plays. Honestly, there was a couple of like throws where it was like the receivers I think were like, holy shit. He got that. Oh, holy

Unknown: 28:05

shit. It's coming.

Rob Kelly: 28:06

Yeah, well, they

Joe Malkin: 28:07

were definitely surprised because I asked in our discord last night. Is this the cast of Space Jam two because it looked like they all just lost their talent. And they had three balls tyreke Hill Tyree killing

Rob Kelly: 28:18

that day me that Damian Williams one was or not

Joe Malkin: 28:21

not? Robinson.

Dave Clarke: 28:23

Robinson, that was there was some I think there's some quick sense to use them or replacements reference, I think there was some quicksand happening to those guys, because I think it's so likely to happen to you and everyone's experienced in some form or another when you come in as the favorite. The pressure being the favorite, especially the pressure, like being the favorite over a tom brady team. It's like damn, we're not that much better than them. And then a couple one thing goes wrong. Two things go wrong. Three things go wrong. And it's like now everybody's in their heads. And you can be on the sideline trying to GM up trying to be like, yo, Come on, guys be us like data with like, we've recovered from worse, but then it's just like in key moments, guys are just like just little things happening to them. They can't pull themselves out. And it's like mahomes actually like as, as difficult of a situation as he was put in. You can say his QPR was bad, but like damn, he was trying his ass off to me fucking plays you know what I mean? Like I, I felt for him because he was like, he was like, trying to ice skate uphill for most of the game, but like, he was trying, you know, and like, he'll be back. Like, don't worry about Pat mahomes you know, but

Craig D'Alessandro: 29:23

I do wonder though, like, does this loss sit in his mind for a while right? Because this these last six quarters against the Bucs are the most adversity that this team has really ever consistently faced? Right? So to be the like, I would say he's the most athletic quarterback he's probably the best quarterback right now in the league besides Tom Brady right? He has the most upside does a loss like this and the way in which he had to do everything in his power to still lose by 22 does that sit in his mind a little bit?

Dave Clarke: 29:53

I don't think so. Not an enigma why they lost like you can just point really easily to like what you need to fix you just need some fucking better blocking. You know, it's like you fix that one thing. Well,

Rob Kelly: 30:04

they got decimated is what it was. It was like they were already I don't know if you guys saw the actual starting lineup for the chiefs. But literally, there wasn't one that was a starting offensive lineman on their team and like I said, it was like week 10 was the last time

Dave Clarke: 30:18

so I think you got to go back to the drawing board with that core and you need to go like Alright, well, all you guys didn't show up. For us what like, you know, through injury or sickness or whatever, like, we need to start maybe reorganizing the culture around our offensive line and like we do go we if we, if that happens again, we do get decimated by injuries, we need to be able to like put guys in, that are able to fill the role. I just feel like you know, I know we talked about Bill Belichick too much on this show, but if Bill Belichick is coaching that team, I feel like it's like, Whoa, he found that guy at the bus station the other day, and he's like having the game of his life and I offensive lineman. And it's like, well, Andy Reid didn't make any fucking adjustments. You know, he just, that was the thing that was driving me nuts, too. It's just like, dude, you're just doing the same thing over and over again. That's like the Andy Reid staple. Like, he sticks to his game plan. And like that pays off from sometimes but sometimes to a fault. You know, like, he's really doesn't, he doesn't tinker with things enough for me when he's actually doing stuff. And I feel like a little bit of a better coaching job and maybe that doesn't happen.

Joe Malkin: 31:13

So that's Andy Reid. Mo right. And Dave just said it and it was brought up. I think it was implied earlier by Mike which great job Mike. This is not the first time Andy Reid has lost a tom brady in the Super Bowl. And if we look back at that Eagles team, that Tom Brady beat, they Tom Brady and the Patriots beat they were nowhere near as talented as the Kansas City Chiefs. But they were damn close at the skill positions, but a quarterback. Big I love Donovan McNabb, but I think we can all agree that Patrick mahomes is a is a just just a tad, is this is this a case of the yips for Andy Reid and you guys, Mike and Dave just started talking about it. Where do they go from here as candidates?

Rob Kelly: 32:03

Like before you do you guys think it was a case of the yet? Or do you guys think it was I don't mean to bring this into this? But was it a case of his head wasn't all the way in the game? Right? Because it was kid right? So I mean,

Dave Clarke: 32:14

I'm I don't want to I've just seen him do that before when like the context that kind of context isn't there? And I just do feel like he's It was a very Andy Reid type coaching failure. And like, the thing is, is I don't think anybody's as good as him at assembling a talented team and like putting a crazy amount of talent.

Rob Kelly: 32:32

But if that doesn't, if that doesn't happen in gaming, do we see not even in game? Do we see the no show that we've seen out of that offense? You

Dave Clarke: 32:41

know what I mean? All those injury nation have a lot of things like I feel like a lot of bad luck when the Chiefs way that week, like yeah, that was bad luck. Whatever really happened, we don't know. But yet, but that happening is gonna be a factor. But if it was just that, maybe that's one thing, but it's that and then there was like a COVID scare with like, the barber or whatever. And it was like

Rob Kelly: 33:03

the hair cutter the toe.

Dave Clarke: 33:05

And then there was and it was like, Oh shit, the toes getting worse. And that seemed to be a thing. And then the toe got leaked. Wasn't he was kind of limping around on it. turf toes.

Rob Kelly: 33:14

hurts. I fuck yeah. turf toes fucked up. So remember, when

Joe Malkin: 33:18

Terrell Owens played in this role of the broken leg?

Dave Clarke: 33:21

Yeah, sure. But I mean, like, that's all relative. But it's like, the thing is, is when you bring all that negative Juju into the game, and like you're already predisposed to get in your head, you're already predisposed to be like, shit. This isn't our weak guys, you know, because at the end of the day, we talked about this on on our chat last night, it's like, it's a weird thing about the Superbowl is is one game. So you don't you know, like, a lot of times the best team in the league doesn't win the championship in the NFL. Like, that's not true in basketball, because they play seven games. So it's like you figure out who the better team is across seven games. Obviously, that's untenable in football with like, the physical nature of the game. But I think just going into the week, yes, Bobby was my short answer. But I think it's that plus a bunch of other things. And then you get the quicksand of the game. And it's like, oh, shit, was I right? was I thinking, Oh, that was a sign that was a sign that was a sign my subconscious is going weird. And then it's the game starts to go badly. And then it's just like, shit, yes, we're gonna fucking lose. And then it's in your head. You can't get it out, you know?

Craig D'Alessandro: 34:15

Yeah, I think like, couldn't this just be a case where? I mean, I agree with what you guys are all saying. But for me. I don't think we overvalued or overhyped. The Chiefs I think we under assessed the Buccaneers, right in reality,

Dave Clarke: 34:28

I don't agree. I think that was a failure on the chat.

Rob Kelly: 34:32

Yeah, but you had the Chiefs win a blowout. Like we Yeah, cuz they didn't, but they didn't. That team that I was talking about didn't show up. At the Bucs were the first team in NFL history to go to the Super Bowl winning three games with a score 30 points all three times.

Dave Clarke: 34:45

All you're saying is the Bucs are a better team than the cheese and I just don't

Unknown: 34:48

know I think that you under appreciated the Bucs defense. I don't think that you over blew that you saw offense. Everybody did.

Joe Malkin: 34:56

I think that was

Dave Clarke: 34:58

that wasn't the Chiefs offense that I was talking about that like that. That's an offense didn't show up.

Joe Malkin: 35:03

That storyline for the Buccaneers we've heard it before. We've heard it before we've seen it before is that that team took forever to get up to speed with each other right? The beginning of the season. We had Tom Brady and Bruce Arians, basically saying they couldn't work together in so many words. And then by the end of the season, it's Bruce Arians is kissing Tom on the floor. head saying thanks for getting me to the playoffs and hey, go coach my offense. And then we see them just rip through. I mean, Tom Brady ripped through three of the best quarterbacks that are ever going to play the game of football. But behind him, of course, to get into the Super Bowl, and then win it. And we've just seen this before, where a team that has that kind of chemistry and that kind of momentum, building and building and building and building just run through everybody. And I agree with both sides to be totally honest with you, like I was if the team that Dave and I believed Kansas City was if that team showed up. That's a very different game. That's even even Hang on. Hang on, even if Tampa wins. That's a very different game. If that holding call doesn't happen in that interception, I made a score reflects the town. Absolutely. But but but we underestimated the bucks in the sense that we didn't know if some of the if Devin white, we didn't know if Anton Winfield were gonna play. They did. And they were huge parts of that defense. And they came to play and they knew exactly what to do the moment they stepped on the field. So I think both points are right, the Bucs and the Chiefs had played for eight quarters, and the Bucs have dominated them for six. Like that's just a fact that just so like I think that you can say that the like the Chiefs offense didn't show up, but but they just didn't let them show up. But that that that is that going into that Super Bowl on Sunday, they had only dominated them for two quarters out of four. So you got to look at it from that standpoint, too. Like we would be having a very different conversation if the Chiefs had come in and won that game. And then we could have said, Well, well, the Bucs dominated them for four quarters out of eight. So sure that still half of the Chiefs still won. So I understand what you're saying. But revisionist history doesn't get us there.

Craig D'Alessandro: 37:07

But like before, I want to say that like it's just, we never like as someone who picked the Buccaneers to win. I did not think that the defense was going to be the reason why that they won. Do you know what I mean? So I think that I even undervalued, how good their defense could be in one game and I even overlooked the fact in the second half of that first game that they completely dominated. So I just think we were all caught up in the fact that it's mahomes Brady, it's to the most high powered offenses there and one defense stifle the other offense. I

Dave Clarke: 37:38

don't think that's what happened. I just think they couldn't they weren't getting blocked. And I think if you're getting not getting blocked is way easier to do more shit on defense. It wasn't like a masterclass a defense there was no offensive lineman on the, for the Chiefs like doing anything to stop them. So when you can do whatever you want as an NFL defense, you're probably gonna, you know, have a pretty good statline but like the fucking chiefs didn't do shit.

Rob Kelly: 37:58

But this is the thing like this is what the Bucs have been doing. Since their bye week. Like I think a lot of people forgot that that this team since that by week, they've gone eight now with an average scoring margin of 34 to 19. Games. Right. So it was like since then, it's just been this is what they

Dave Clarke: 38:21

I'm not saying they're not good. I know but I'm just saying like I don't doesn't matter when it when it's the Kansas City Chiefs, it usually doesn't matter. And I saw the big difference for me that they didn't have an offensive line. And if they had an offensive line, they would have been able to work their offense and to me when I see them work their offense, nobody can stop them. It doesn't matter how good your friend said they had an offensive line in the first game.

Unknown: 38:42

Can we agree with that? That they won?

Dave Clarke: 38:45

Sure. But in the second half, they lost one word, it doesn't matter if you lose a half. It only matters if you lose the game.

Craig D'Alessandro: 38:51

Yeah, but what I'm trying to tell you is is that in the second half of that game, there are three sacks and seven QB hits. And the second half of that game Kansas City scored seven points.

Dave Clarke: 39:01

I mean, you can say they figure something out. But you know, factually that the offensive line the cheese was like completely fucking banged up. So like how can you not say that that's

Craig D'Alessandro: 39:08

a fact first, but it wasn't the first game and when they made that adjustment now they lost sure but halfway through that game, they figured something out and they attacked that offensive line. Well

Dave Clarke: 39:16

that's not to say that the cheese can't turn around figure something out back though, you know, I mean, if they have the personnel, you know that it's not to say they if they have their full starting squad in there, and it's just like a couple extra seconds with the game on the line that Pat mahomes can make plays for them you know, you're in the Super Bowl. I'm not saying I'm I'm making excuses for them. I know I'm just like I'm saying I'd like you say you asked me to start did like this is me versus you and Mike right now but Mike asked me at the start He's like, do you think you just undervalued the Tampa Bay defense? And it's like I just were Yeah, fine. We are like, you know that the public sphere at like, undervalued is handmade defense I'm like no, because I really genuinely believe that if the Chiefs that I watch every week has shown up they would have won the game you know and are made it made it at least a little bit closer and what you're saying is I get what you're saying it's you're saying like I think that they were not allowed to show up because the Tampa Bay Buccaneers stop them from showing up because they're really good. I don't think that that's what happened. I think they're all the context of the game got in their heads. They started to lose and they fuckin completely lost their marbles. When that started to happen. All this should happen with the coaches. The referees were not helpful. And again, you lost the game like there's not you can't make excuses, but I'm just saying like, this is why we're trying to figure out why. The best offensive any of us have ever seen just completely didn't get off the bus, then that's why I think it's just like there's tons of shit outside that affected them gotten their heads. Now, that's a level of criticism of them for that. Yeah, that's not to say like, oh, bad luck, guys. It's like, no, you're mentally weak. You need to turn around when that shit happens. You need to overcome that shit. You know what I mean? If you want to be a Super Bowl champion, you need to overcome adversity like you. So that's a criticism, not an excuse, you know, like they fucked up by being mental midgets. And the only one out there trying to win was Pat mahomes. And everybody else like, talking shit all week. Oh, they forgot who we are. They forgot. It's like motherfucker. You forgot who forgot. Oh, yeah, like this is like Travis Kelsey. Yeah, you pick trans-caspian still at 10 yards, or 10 catches? Says Joe. He still did his job. Patrick mahomes was still trying to get him the fucking ball. Tyree killed like us. Yeah, he still drove the past time. He'll look out there like he cast his hands in fucking concrete before he walked out there. It's like you can't be that small and I catch the ball at the same time in the Super Bowl my friend like you got pick one.

Rob Kelly: 41:22

But but to go to go back to exactly what that what that that to go back to exactly what Mike said though. Are we undervaluing this defense? Absolutely though. Not anymore. This not anymore, right? Not anymore. This defect is just full of young studs, not just studs, but guys that are going to be in this league.

Joe Malkin: 41:44

But also, but also,

Rob Kelly: 41:46

it absolutely is sexual. You look at Bobby

Joe Malkin: 41:49

a lot of good veteran leadership too. So the if you remember, I sent it to you guys last night after the game this Tampa Bay team actually had has a lot of Misfit Toys on it. And I really liked that about that team that Jason Pierre Paul and dama can sue, you know, then you can talk about AB Rob gronkowski and all these other like Misfit Toys in the sense that one was

Dave Clarke: 42:11

a really nice way to save super problematic human beings.

Joe Malkin: 42:16

They are extremely super problematic. But But Bob Brady, you're spot on when you mentioned that. And I think that that's another factor. So you mentioned something that is really resonated with me where you said, well, they had two weeks to prepare. Okay, both teams had two weeks to prepare, but at the same time, do you remember Bobby, we had this conversation earlier in the season, when the Patriots and the Dallas Cowboys offensive lines were decimated and looked absolutely awful. I mean, it could be argued that part of the reason Dak Prescott went down was because of the lack of offensive line. It could be argued that Cam Newton did not have as good of a start in a patriots uniform because he didn't have Isaiah when. So when we talk about Well, yeah, he did. But I'm trying to make an excuse DAX angle, fella, because that's my quarterback.

Unknown: 43:03

Drink is milk. I think jack,

Joe Malkin: 43:05

jack does need to drink his melt. But Bobby as much as you say, well, they had two weeks to prepare. Okay, well, they had two weeks to prepare with. Not world class offensive lineman. They had second third tier offensive lineman that they were trying to prepare for that they just weren't good. They weren't going to be ready. They had an all pro left tackle rookie. That was just out of the game.

Craig D'Alessandro: 43:27

Yeah, but in the same sense, man, like, like he was out in the AFC Championship game. So they knew that right. And they knew what the Bucks were going to do, because they did it to them for 30 minutes out of the 60 minutes that they played them. So like you can scheme for what you think is about to happen.

Dave Clarke: 43:42

I think. I think Joe's right. I think all the things are true. I think it's just a perfect storm of things happen. I have a question. I have a quote. I have a question for Bobby. I get why Mike wanted the books to win. Because he was a Patriots fan his whole life and he like wanted to see his guy win a seventh and I get why Joe wanted the Chiefs to win because they were clearly the good guys and like not helmed by an evil Emperor and like all all the people with a really problematic past that it could arguably be out of the NFL they play for their team. Well, you're a Cowboys fan. Like why weren't you cheering for the good guys? I don't get it.

Rob Kelly: 44:14

So because it wasn't that I wasn't. First of all, I love greatness. And you guys know that about me is like when Why

Joe Malkin: 44:22

are you cowboys when

Rob Kelly: 44:26

I was as good. And I was good.

Unknown: 44:31

Sorry, Bobby.

Rob Kelly: 44:32

So but like when when you're sitting here and you're witnessing greatness, it's just something that I just love to see. And I love to say that we have seen and that's something that I just can't, I can't fathom rooting against and I can't fathom, actually thinking that that's not going to happen. That's that's one of the other reasons why I really thought and knew they were gonna win because I've sent it to my buddy before the game like we're putting money down fake money, and it was just like I couldn't. I couldn't fathom actually taking my money and putting it against Tom Brady. You know what I mean? It was like so I said, I looked at him was like, bro, have we ever ever in our time watching Super Bowls? bet against Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. Regret you regret saying Don't even think about the Patriots. Did you ever actually think he was gonna lose the game? No. And he's like, just because it's the chief Honestly

Dave Clarke: 45:26

170 percent of your beds, right?

Rob Kelly: 45:27

That's like it didn't change that much to me that just because it was the chief, it's just like greatness is greatness. And when you're going down to it, it's like when you're looking at what we have in front of us, it's like Dude, he's not going to lose.

Dave Clarke: 45:45

storyline wise for me, I just saw it from a different perspective. Now you were right. So like, it is what it is. But I saw from a different perspective, it was like changing in the guard. Patrick mahomes coming in like this is the narrative like he's, I'm looking at like, Tom, I run an evil empire, Brady. I'm taking small business bailouts from the government. dollars. Oh, shit is that to make America great again, hat my locker at like, Oh, do I suck as a person on the inside? Probably. Am I even a person? Or am I just a robot created by Skynet to go back in time and kill Sarah Connor like, Who knows? Who knows what the fuck

Craig D'Alessandro: 46:18

like Tom Brady's just sounds like a guy rooting for a team that has Mitchell trubisky as their quarterback, because there's Tom Brady was your guy, you'd be backing him. And it's hard to say that the chief of the good guys, for you. One for the last three days, we've been hearing about how you feel about the head coach's son of the good guys. So we need to just eliminate that.

Dave Clarke: 46:40

But it's just it's no, you don't eliminate need to eliminate the narrative. It's just to do that. I mean, I know you think you do, because you just said it. But if you want to say it a few more times, that's fine. I think I think that I'm just doing math here. If you take and we'd like your argument is we don't even know what any read son got up to. But if we just take that one thing from the Chiefs every now and then what did he do?

Unknown: 47:04

It just beat his girlfriend and his kid but you didn't really? Yeah, but he's a good guy. He's one of the good guys.

Dave Clarke: 47:09

But how are you saying that to me when I literally was just like, I didn't know that happened.

Unknown: 47:13

you approve of that.

Joe Malkin: 47:15

That's what Mike's done. And

Rob Kelly: 47:17

also also i don't think they're the good guys. Because when you watch the Buccaneers, they just look more fun. They look like a team that will you'd want to be employed, not that fun to hang out with. If you're Hang on,

Joe Malkin: 47:26

hang on, this is a thing. This is a thing that we do in sports, right, we look to try and find the good and bad and professional athletes. If we if we sat here and tried to find the good and bad in everybody in the world, we would all be able to find something that we don't agree with personally, that even the same theists of saints in the NFL does, and we would all be able to find it. So that's so I

Dave Clarke: 47:52

murdered some motherfuckers I have some skeletons The

Rob Kelly: 47:54

way I see it with the NFL, the way I see it is if they're not going to have a moral compass hiring them. I don't need to have a moral compass watching it.

Dave Clarke: 48:04

So I'm not talking about ethics. I'm just talking about the narrative. I'm just talking about the storyline. It's like for like, whatever about like, who the good guys and the bad guys are. I was just thinking that the Chiefs were the good guys for me, because it's like, oh, Patrick mahomes What a cool story. You know what I mean? Like coming up, he has to beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl, like changing of the guard. Like all that stuff happened? I just thought that would have been cool. You know, and I like I think that that's unlikely to happen now. You know, like, whatever, like the likelihood of them getting into the Superbowl again against each other. I mean, I know they're probably still the two best teams at times, and

Rob Kelly: 48:34

not have a time. You have to get there eight times.

Dave Clarke: 48:38

Right and like, but I wanted it was gonna be cooler to watch Patrick mahomes trying to achieve that. And now that conversations kind of moot, it's kind of null and void. And, you know, and all these conversations have been happening on the internet today about Tom Brady being the greatest athlete ever that America has ever produced. I don't agree with that. I mean, Serena Williams Tiger Woods like I think, maybe not. Maybe not

Joe Malkin: 49:00

athletically.

Rob Kelly: 49:01

No, I just like most accomplished

Dave Clarke: 49:03

Yeah, like most accomplished like Serena Williams has like 24 Grand Slams, but like once Rena was at a top choose Yeah, Tiger Woods used to play the field like I'm, it's I just think it's easier to measure in more ways than one. It's easier to measure when Hey, it's easier to measure with individual sports greatness because you have like a defense winning games for you when you're Tom Brady, so I just don't think it's a fair comparison. But I just would have been cooler now. It's like okay, mahomes beat Brady now he's gonna go and win like six more to like, be happy in the goat conversation. Now

Joe Malkin: 49:31

it's seven to one and that whole point is

Rob Kelly: 49:36

now 10 is open. Now. 10 is an option 10 is

Dave Clarke: 49:39

killed really beat his girlfriend. And when did this happen? Well, no, it

Unknown: 49:44

was after that because I thought it was a college thing. Well, he was convicted of it in college did that's why he

Rob Kelly: 49:50

dropped in the draft. Yeah, that's why he dropped in the draft.

Joe Malkin: 49:53

Why did he did it after again, because you know, these guys need to have futons with guns on them and throw them anyway. There's not enough about Greg Hardy. So we, it's interesting.

Unknown: 50:05

It was hilarious.

Joe Malkin: 50:07

It's interesting when you talk about Tom Brady, because think about Tom Brady, where he came from, what he did in his career to begin with. And then remember, you know, we can talk about the injury to Patrick mahomes and how he needs surgery and whatnot in this toe, and there's some people that are freaking out about Like he's never going to be the same as lead. Well remember when Tom Brady literally had his knee blown up in 2008. And now he's come back and won four Super Bowls. So and and Ben to eight since then. So I think he's all right. And I think but Bobby to your point of 10 is in play. It's really interesting that when he was asked last night by gymnasts, if he was coming back, there was no hesitation, and he's coming back. And two, two years ago, it was just Well, that wasn't gonna let them play past 45. And it's just,

Rob Kelly: 50:56

it is not stopping dude. He's not stopping. But there's no, he's doing this right as why woody? Is, did you see the status said, Tom Brady, when he was real seven times, despite not earning a title once, during his prime age 28 to 36. So this guy went the part of your career words, Prime Time to win championships, didn't win a goddamn one. And one for more sense. So I absolutely think 10 is in play your two years from now, when this contracts up? You really think that he's going to be much worse than he is right now.

Joe Malkin: 51:35

So here's my question based on that question that you just asked. I'm going to answer your question with a question. Let's say he goes back next year, we know he's going back to Tampa, let's say Wednesday, he's got eight, his contracts up, does he sign back with Tampa or go somewhere else to win somewhere else? I mean, at 35 years old,

Craig D'Alessandro: 51:52

I think if the team is as it's currently constituted, you stay there, because Jesus is happy, right? You got a pretty good defense behind you there. And then he's proven that he can be the draw to get people to go there and sign you know, lesser deals, and four star wide receivers that are already there to take lesser money to stay there. So

Joe Malkin: 52:11

tell me more. Tell me more about them. I

Craig D'Alessandro: 52:14

just feels to me like all the things that we knew as patriots fans about the Patriot way like people want to come here and play for Bella check and play with Brady to win, and they'll take less money. That's out like you and you now have to pay Stephon Gilmore 10 million to play here this year. And now Mike Evans is his take is saying, Listen, just chop off my salary to keep the team together. It's Brady, like it for as long as his shoulder remains attached to his arm, you pay him and you keep that team around him. And you know if he hits that cliff like Manny did in 2015, that could be in 2025.

Rob Kelly: 52:49

He's going to though, but he's not the things that I was many hits that don't knock down because knock on wood, but many hit that cliff because his goddamn body fell apart. Not because it's football mine fell apart. You know, Tom Brady's body is not going anywhere, man, this guy is an absolute machine. You know? Like, I'm just saying, No. Plus, when it comes to that bucks to that team, besides Sue gronk and Brady are literally the youngest team in the NFL. That defense that defense has. Right, so he's not even that old. No, wait, exactly.

Joe Malkin: 53:27

He just retired because he didn't want to play in New England and

Craig D'Alessandro: 53:29

he'll sign one year $4 million based contracts with incentives as long as it stays there. And I think like Antonio brown again, he'll stay there too. And who knows who else you can get to go there to win a ring. This is now I think Tampa Bay. If Brady is still playing the way that he is could turn into what the Patriots turned into in the early 2000s were like like like like a Washington comes there takes less money to win a championship that could happen Roosevelt Colvin I mean, he get these got all these things can happen.

Joe Malkin: 53:58

Mike, do you think 35 year old Julian Edelman and 36 year old Danny Amendola, we're watching this game together on Sunday. thinking, wow, that could be me next year.

Rob Kelly: 54:08

Yeah. Who else I think could go there next year. James White. I think James White is dying to get back to Brady.

Joe Malkin: 54:13

Yeah, but they all right. So if we're gonna break that down and say where do they go next? Let's ask that question now of the Buccaneers like what's next for the Buccaneers? I mean, you got rojo and for net and both of those guys you just mentioned what they have for age besides jpp and Tom and Sue and Tom Brady. That entire team is under the age of 34 and 25 except for Ryan suck up the kicker who I mean he was named Mr. Irrelevant from South Carolina but the point is is like okay guys can follow Tom if they want to. We've seen it before other guys have followed other players other places. But you can't just you can't just like stack a team with all these guys that all of a sudden want to go to the Tom Brady party. Mike, I see you tilt your head there but I am not taking James White over rojo

Rob Kelly: 55:05

no me

Joe Malkin: 55:07

taking a banged up Julian element and an old Danny Amendola over Scotty Miller, I'm not doing any of that. So they want to go down and be part of the coaching staff. That's great. But the guys that are gonna want to follow Tom Brady are the Alan Robinson's who tweeted out today Man, I want to go get a ring. Like I'm pretty sure that was just an endorsement for Tampa Bay to give him a call on March 7, when

Rob Kelly: 55:30

the new season starts to sign a deal with him. It's pretty telling to see you guys see what Dez tweeted after the game too. He retweeted one of my biggest regrets in my NFL career is never getting to take a snap of Tom Brady. So I guarantee you, there's a lot of people a lot of wide receivers out there that are gonna be chomping at the bit to play with him.

Dave Clarke: 55:48

He could be playing on borrowed time, you know, he still is a million. Like he still could be one band sack away from being done.

Joe Malkin: 55:54

Like I know he could be I mean, the guy we already know the guy made a deal with Satan. So

Rob Kelly: 56:00

100%

Dave Clarke: 56:02

was it the defense or was it him? Because now we're talking like he went and fucking did they should but I thought it was the defense that did it.

Unknown: 56:08

But he was 21 to 29 and three touchdowns.

Rob Kelly: 56:11

No, it was great. Yes. Yes.

Joe Malkin: 56:15

Isn't it? Isn't it a transient property in a way though, right. Like, look at that defense and how good they were last year. And they won some they lost a lot of close games, but they also had a quarterback that couldn't keep the defense off the field. I don't think it matters who's playing quarterback, the

Dave Clarke: 56:30

other team doesn't score a touchdown in the entire game. Nobody's ever won a Super Bowl by scoring zero touchdowns. I mean,

Unknown: 56:37

Cam would have lost that game. He would have lost it nine to six. I don't think so.

Joe Malkin: 56:42

Maybe but but he never would have gotten there late. You know what I mean? So I'm with Dave on that one. But at the same time, no, it wasn't Tom Brady, but I think this is going back to the base of the conversation, which is where this came from with Mike. Bobby. One second is that like, it comes back to it. Our players going places to play for Tom Brady play with Tom Brady, or going places to play for Bill Belichick. And I think just based on Twitter, today and last night, and what we saw during that game yesterday and how elated all those guys were to win a Super Bowl. It has more to do with Tom Brady than it does with Bill Belichick. I think that's the point that we're trying to get across Dave not that it was Tom Brady that won the game, just but it's not even a competition. I hate that we do this in

Dave Clarke: 57:29

sports media. It kind of it kind of is a competition that because at the end of the day, he looked better this season than he looked in his last five years in New England. And that is actually a pretty damning indictment of Bill Belichick if there's any if there's any damning indictment. I know you guys talk shit about as GM skills. I know you guys like you know, you say all that we've said everything there is to say but above all else, I've already basically on this podcast, like it's all in the fucking archives. But if there if I was getting any criticism, Adam, is that he may have been under valuing and under utilizing Tom Brady for these years. And it seems like Tom Brady knew that. So that's I would worry about that.

Rob Kelly: 58:04

If it doesn't go right off of that, too, is if you think about it, what Bill Belichick did, right. And I know Brady didn't want to be there. But there was a moment where legitimately the Patriots had a shot to get stefon Diggs, right. Brady told him get stefon Diggs, they didn't make

Unknown: 58:23

another can come to.

Rob Kelly: 58:28

But so did he, they didn't make that offer. And all of a sudden, Tom Brady's like, fuck you guys, I'm out. They legitimately looked at Tom Brady. And this is definitely an indictment on Bill Belichick and said, No, we're good. We're good. We don't want to get you those weapons. We think that we can do this, this and this. We don't think that it was you all these years. And now here we are. A year later. It's 100% of competition. And Tom Brady, wipe the floor.

Dave Clarke: 58:56

You know how I know it's a competition is Brady put out the most like, I just saw my ex at a restaurant and like he just played it was such a power play right before the Super Bowl. He was like, I love him. He's a great coach was so well trained from a public relations point of view. It's like you seen your ex in a restaurant and you go like,

Rob Kelly: 59:11

Oh my god, hi. It's

Dave Clarke: 59:12

so good to see you. Like you just play it perfectly. Like you're I'm the happiest person in the world. And I value you and the contribution you made to my life. It was such a power move by Brady and his PR team and that evil empire that he runs I couldn't help but appreciate it.

Rob Kelly: 59:27

He's also a little extra happy nowadays to to toadies to toadies. Alright, so

Joe Malkin: 59:34

first of all, what's a restaurant a second of all, it was also a nice troll job by Brady throwing us touchdown passes to Greg COVID. ski and Tonio brown without a doubt and Mike brought up a point. He did try to throw that touchdown that ended up a B to an offensive lineman,

Dave Clarke: 59:50

but an offensive lineman does look on his face. As he was coming in, he was like

Joe Malkin: 59:56

I've only done this in practice. But that route on that next play run by Antonio Brown was unbelievable vintage Antonio brown like that was Antonio Brown with the Steelers before he was getting himself in trouble and trying to wind his way out. But now he pitched his way into a Super Bowl champion. I'm not saying he's a bench but he pitches laying there's two World Championships So guys, he knows so we'll wrap up the NFL season on another episode of missing the point but that's kind of our rundown of the Super Bowl in telling you guys what we thought of the Tom Brady seven Super Bowl victory and where it leaves the Bucs, the the chiefs. And I think we can all agree that those two teams are going to be there for at least the next couple of years. So we're gonna wrap it up there. And we want to thank everybody for listening in to this edition of missing the point for Bob Kelly, Dave Clark, Mike Mark Angelo and Craig D'Alessandro, who is very quiet, which I was surprised by with all the Patrick mahomes being an injured talk.

Dave Clarke: 1:00:55

I am in victory laps right now, Craig.

Unknown: 1:00:58

I felt like last night just find a lot of my positions.

Joe Malkin: 1:01:01

It doesn't justify anything. I'm your host,

Rob Kelly: 1:01:03

Greg, Greg all the sudden Craig all of a sudden became a make America great again for more years.

Joe Malkin: 1:01:11

Thanks. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you on the next episode of missing the point.

Craig D'Alessandro: 1:01:19

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