Vince McMahon Retires from WWE amid scandals; WWE SummerSlam preview
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Following multiple reports of alleged financial misconduct, hush money payments and other improprieties WWE Founder, Chairman, and CEO Vince McMahon announced his retirement from the WWE on Friday, July 22nd.
On this episode of Kayfabe Critics, we break down what Vince's Legacy will be, how big of a stain the recent allegations will be, his impact on wrestling itself, and the effect of his long-time on-screen performance of Mr. McMahon.
Also, we break down this year's card with the SummerSlam PLE this upcoming Saturday.
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Rayshawn Buchanan:Welcome to the next edition of Kane Fave critics, you've heard this voice before but you haven't heard this voice leading this conversation. I'm your guy Hollywood restaurant Buchanan with my guy, the man the myth, the legend, just celebrating his first year anniversary. And it is too fucking sweet. My man Mike Borg Angelo, how're you doing today,
Michael Marcangelo:man? I'm doing great. I think that the listeners out there are going to be a little thrown by hearing your vanilla voice as opposed to mine. But we'll we'll get it over.
Rayshawn Buchanan:What was wow, there's some people that really believe that so. So until until they've seen the heatseekers. Like, oh, like he's, it's not that type of indicators. No, it's not. But nevertheless, here we are. So yeah, I mean, listen, there's been big news, big news, huge news. Gigantic, you know, great fruits news. You know, I just, I just had to put that out there. So if you had been living under a rock, which I don't, I don't know why you would have less use your spiders or Square Pants. But Patrick starts to say excuse me, I'm getting my cartoons wrong already. Vince McMahon, the guy who has been the fearless leader of the WWE. The leader of Sports Entertainment has finally chose to step down as as CEO was really just everything of WWE over the last 4050 years. So just you know, what, what were your thoughts? Is that news, bro going on Friday?
Michael Marcangelo:Yeah, I think so when he, he didn't really choose to write I think this is more of a he had to. And we get into the reason, the reason as to why he did it, and why he had to, but I think pro wrestling fans around the world, never thought this day would come. And now that it's here, they don't really know what to do. Right? It's good, it's always easier to talk about things are going to be so much better once once once this is gone. And you know that that might be the case. But when you when you think about it, again, we could talk about about the reasons as to why you had to step down. But we talked about the the influence this man had, both as an owner of this company, and then as a character in the majority of our childhood. That's a pretty big piece. I mean, he he is not solely responsible, but the hit but WWF you know, before, before the pandas sued them, they were responsible for so many memories and like really great memories of, of my childhood and, and just, you know, things that you deal with, whether it's your dad, your brothers, your friends, your I mean, so it feels it feels weird. I mean, it also does feel sitting that the year that taker goes into the hall of fame that Vince hangs it up. Like it's really the end of that it's over. I have a lot of feelings about like, I want to talk a little bit about about like, how I feel about him and how I feel about his contributions, but initially, my my gut reaction was like, holy shit. It happened. Now what?
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, I mean, no problem said I honestly, I thought it was a work so because Craig Craig had texted us on Friday. It was like a no show the post that you know, then now forever. And I wrote back please like up if not, I thought it was a marketing 2.0 type thing. I my target. I was there as Friday night I was there for Smackdown I thought obviously, it wasn't gonna come out in the pink suit. Or Mark Henry did but I was just I was expecting no chance to drop at the beginning. And say he thought it was over like I got a lot left for the tape type thing. I was expecting that like, you know, read the hell you've been typing like that. I would expect that that type of mic drop moment. That's what you've been doing the last few weeks I'll be leading up to this moment. So me Listen to me. Yeah, he's he's responsible for a lot of different moments. I know we've we've lamented a point on and off the air about how you know, we thought things would be different once he left and yeah, it is jarring right? Because someone that was a big part of my childhood that gave us memories you know? Yes, I'm forever thankful that he brought the word when we hit a Boston two out of three when I saw Brock Lesnar when you know, you're forever grateful to be at WrestleMania 3334 35 and 38 to share like, I'm like, Yeah, listen to the greatest technical one on Earth right outside the Super Bowl. So I'm forever grateful. So what he was able to get To the business, obviously, you know, you would want him to leave under different circumstances, but obviously is self inflicted. Obviously. This was somebody that that, you know, was was all, you know, basically accused in this like, Yo, like, now you did this shit, bro like you didn't see yourself?
Michael Marcangelo:It's a perfect way. I mean, honestly, like, this is how I would I would I would imagine like the character Mr. McMahon to be written off, right it's, you know a little explosion didn't get him none of that got him but it was it was it was this but not not to make light of the situation. Yeah, he, you know, the reports came out that there was you know, over $14 million of, of of money being paid out to various women over the course of the last 15 years. You know, for all the sexual improprieties that had occurred? I'm sure that there that there are more. I mean, this was the wild wild west before it was a publicly traded organization. Right. And I get I don't I do not want to make light of it. I think he will. Will this will be a stain on on on his on his legacy? There are a few Yeah, sure. There are a few I think this is it's just it's it's tough. And I think what this forces you to do as, especially as a professional wrestling fan, is really think about how you feel about him. Right? It's how do you weigh the contributions of what he did? And when he in what he created? And then how do you weigh that against the things that have come out over the years about him as a person, you know, whether it's that incident in the 80s, with the with the female referee, you know what, or it's covering up for all the things that would Pat Patterson, Jimmy Snuka, the fact that he had own heart do that stuff that ultimately resulted in him, you know, die, he didn't need to do that. And then and then trying to go after Brett to make sure that, you know, the hard thing was you go after him, there's a ton, you know, the list goes on. He is a very, very complicated individual. But I really have a hard time with insanely to myself as someone who has who has consumed I would say, just as much as you but so much content that he's put out, since I since I can remember, like one of my earliest memories of watching television was was WWE was WWE. Right? Oh, you know, how do you reconcile that? And I think that's what you know, we don't have to go into that deep dichotomy of a discussion. But it is it is one of those moments when you start thinking about, okay, the character and what he did for you versus, you know, never want to meet your heroes because they're never going to live up to it.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Right. Yeah. And I think that's that's another fitting statement. I don't know if your roots like Crispin wall territory,
Unknown:you know. No, what, no,
Rayshawn Buchanan:yeah. But people are extremists, man. And that's why that's why I say this. I don't think your readers have that. There will be some that cast him off completely like they do. CRISPR boy and once again, totally understandable. Like I'm not knocking your experience over that last I totally, I totally get that. Although I have someone else in the club that I believe that Chrisman was a Hall of Fame. That's once again, the character of the wrestler is a Hall of Famer where he where he did all of the out of the ring. Once again, atrocious, abominable, any any word you want to use the wrestler, the character, when we saw WCW when we saw WWE once again, WrestleMania 20 was one of my favorite movies of all time. I know what I want to get a guy. I know what to do, but that seeing him win the World title that night was phenomenal. WrestleMania 20. Like, I'll never forget that. Never. So I probably cried along with me that like a lot less. So I remember hearing from the person I had dinner days and all that good stuff. But But no, but to bring it back to events. And I think the biggest thing you probably forgot to bring up really was steroid thing, right? I mean, I know that's a separate thing just brought up in the early 90s. Yeah, I know. That was that was obviously a big thing with him and Hulk Hogan and you know, like little graded and the rest of that crew that was on trial for that. So yeah, I think that he has many stages. Yes, but I would like to say the good outweighs the bad. And once again, there's other stuff that we still don't know and we may we'll never know but just from the outside looking in, I can to me I feel like the good outweigh the bad and once again, it's a hell of a way to go out unfortunately because of what the stuff is coming out as yours. It's been powered up which is why maybe some people have left and people won't agree in agreement for what he was doing behind the scenes but listen from them or Alexa from a character standpoint, from a business standpoint, I said demand gave everything so let's do let's stay right there though. So just what uh, what are some of your fondest moments, Upton said I have a few that come to mind but you know, what
Michael Marcangelo:do you what do you you know good. Before we get to the finest moments of a character like if you if you just really think about the fact that in 1982 Like we're we just passed the 40 year mark, where he purchased the then www F from his father for I think But what when it turned out to be a million dollars, right? This was a territory business, regional business. And over the course of the next two to three years, he gobbled up all the territories. And he gave us Wrestlemania. Yes, WrestleMania was just another version of Starrcade. But it was just done a little bit differently. It was he. I think, if you just look at this, people will have always said that he hated pro wrestling. I don't think that I think he thought Perlis pro wrestling deserved to be on the grandest stage. And he realized that it would never be the on that stage if it was called Pro Wrestling. So he created sports entertainment. Right. And the WWE superstar not a wrestler, but a WWE superstar. And then he bet bet is that everything on the success of WrestleMania. And that was back in the day where it wasn't that, you know, he it wasn't pay per view then. But he was the reason that one of the reasons that pay per view became such a thing. I mean, he would you and then, you know, the between that and the mainstream, you know, at MTV, I mean, he brought that into the forefront with wrestling, and the partnership with NBC and Saturday night's main event, Monday Night Raw, I mean, the fact that, that we have a, a live wrestling show on every night that's been on every single night, you know, since January of 1993. That's because of him. And, and because of what he thought that business should be. So, yes, he made mistakes, the SFL the first time the second time wasn't his fault. But and you know, the web or the world bodybuilding organization and Lex Luger and all that crap.
Rayshawn Buchanan:But I forgot I forgot about that. Well,
Michael Marcangelo:I mean, my favorite on screen moments with him, I thought they have to be all mostly added to error, right? He went when he allowed Brett to cut that scathing promo on him in 97. And rip his shirt, spit on him. All of that. And that really ushered in the fact that you know, maybe we don't know exactly what is happening anymore. Maybe this isn't good guy. Bad guy. I loved it the funniest moment in the history of wrestling television. Is the hospital scene with him and stone cold. Where? Oh, god, yeah, it's it's the bedpan to the head. And when he's beating the cast, and he's just screaming, it's just so ridiculous. But it's good. And on screen, you know, on screen again, I'm going to speak mostly in the terms of, of his on screen persona. He all he would never ask Italian to do something that he would not do himself. Right. And he was the butt of every joke for as long as as, as there as there was I loved I loved the reveal of him as a higher power in Boston. Back in 99. I thought that was That was so good. Coming off the heels of you know, Stephanie being abducted by taker. Him in Austin kind of aligning you'll you thought this was a turning point? And then, you know, it's it was me, Austin. It was me all along. Like, it's just what? It's, it's easy to say a promoter puts themselves in and gets themselves over. He was the best he'll. Yeah, for sure. Period. There's no one that could get more heat than him ever. And he didn't really have to try. And I thought, you know, he knew that he wasn't a great worker. So he just let people do whatever they wanted to. I mean, you hear the story about WrestleMania 22, when Sean jumps off a 20 foot ladder, and everyone's like, Oh, Shawn, that that's pretty badass. And he would say, Well, I think it's actually more badass to be the guy in a trash can on a table. Not knowing when the bumps coming, just kind of sitting there whistling like Vince with Vince is in there. He was in there. I just thought he was. I think he is the greatest showman that will ever that whatever see, and he at any point in time, could get that audience to love him. And then hate him in the next sentence. Yeah,
Rayshawn Buchanan:I mean, he was was stupid and that's it. It's funny. Like it's funny that it's all happened on the same because did Leslie I've been watching over so many years does the Royal Rumble so on and so forth. And, you know, his magic is Hogan at WrestleMania 19.
Michael Marcangelo:What bath?
Rayshawn Buchanan:Well bath. I forgot to he dated a spot off the ladder.
Unknown:He did a leech off off the ladder. I said, Are you kidding me? I said this. He was 58 at the time. I said
Rayshawn Buchanan:Are you Are you kidding me events like and that's why I'm saying that they like to say it goes back to what you said. He's not doing anything that he thought they they know that you know he would do something he wants you to Just saying things like, he's not gonna put on more than he could bear will want you to bear. So I'm like, wow, I remember like, I cannot believe that he did that type of spot and it obviously I've always you always remember to Shawn Michaels match, obviously him against Shane Emerson gonna be 17 in the First Coast to Coast like that that was insane. It was good he just always knew how to tell the right story.
Michael Marcangelo:I also think like an understated moment, maybe even a forgotten one for those non diehards was his raw in 2012 against punk when he imposed man have edited in the street fight, and you've had to have been what 2012. So in 2003, a few was 53 was 58. And in 2012, he's 62. He runs and jumps cleaner across the announce table to tackle punk. And he gets his ass absolutely handed to him. But it was the that character just always had legs, always. And I mean, even even WrestleMania 38 in Dallas. I mean, I was there Crazy, right? Well, you were there when you think about there's no reason for fans to want a 77 year old man to step in the ring. But after the McAfee match, they mean you were there. They were begging for it.
Rayshawn Buchanan:So it's Wow represented proud. You know, obviously, zoom, we see them come out, whatever. So obviously, you know, he's in a suit. So you're not thinking anything that obviously the McAfee mask ends or whatever. And then it was like a nervous energy, but like excitement at the same time. Tested. You hear somebody behind me like, she's gonna do it. He's gonna fucking do it. Like it's really good. And after a while you hear his fifth spirit, spirit, spirit, spirit. And yet he doesn't they have I was like, What is going on? I mean, part of me, I would have loved to see the magical gym in Austin. I know. It was great to see Enrique Oh, but I was like that, that would have been that really would have been fitting but it's also so you said about taker. It's also fitting that full Colas really follow match, and taker like that. And just they they were the three obviously, you know, this Rock Hunter, which, you know, we'll we'll get to hunter in a minute, but it's just like, you know, those were the three that really, you know, was staples, I mean, hardcore staples out of the World Wrestling Federation. And you know, we're we're saying attainment, so but yeah, I, I, I am surprised I remember the match as much as I do. Because I'm just like, Wow, he really like he's really knew how to get you'll always say get the heat. But the thing is, the reason why the character had lakes forever was because everyone has a boss, they can't fucking stand. If you want to see the boss get beat up every single time because you can't stand the ball. So that's why it worked. What that that character? Yeah, it's saved November 9 1997. Saved. The WWE is saved it the same thing with Montreal SummerSlam. It is saved, or having to rewrite random round rant about that saved, because I said, Listen, people can go back and watch when WCW was on fire on five. And you say otherwise. I want to say you could if he wasn't watching me an extra you're lying. If he wasn't watching 30 There's an extender, you're lying. Like you hit like, listen to download our pitches. My guy, Danny like that. That was my guy. So like, No, you was watching that shit on a regular basis. And you would flip it back and forth and see who was going to do what but yeah, I'm forever thankful that he did that Montreal Screwjob I know people were pissed off about that Dave I'm sorry. When he listened back to this, but it saved wrestling and I'm forever grateful. Just we got the best record absolutely out of it. So I'll forever be full of character.
Michael Marcangelo:Yeah, I mean, that was really what everyone thought was gonna be the deathblow to the web at the time is that you know, Brett, that's I mean, that is the that is the WWE guy. I mean, aside from taker, right and you know, Shawn, but Brett was that was was WWF Tag and and he turned that into a work I mean the next day on Rob bread screwed threat with with that with and then that wants to McMahon character that Austin rock Foley Hamaker Hunter, Sean. I mean, literally everybody. Everybody had was was shined by him right now. Again, I don't want to be insensitive. I hate to have to keep saying this because yes, the things that he is accused of and that he did sucks. It really sucks. Now, if this was 1993 he would not have stepped down doesn't make it more wrong now or are more right then. This is just a sign of of the times, right? Don't do what he did. But I mean, no, but the character when you think about how crazy of a son of a bitch this guy was. I mean that that WWE 24 A documentary about the about the performance center Wrestlemania, when Gronk was was was too scared to jump 15 feet onto a padded surface, you got to 75 year old beds, because I'll do it, I'll show you how it's done. The idea is, it will be interesting to see what this company looks like, you know, when it's no longer run by a guy that he founded it and then lived and breathed that I mean, we have heard reports heard stories, this guy is in his office until midnight, then goes to the gym, and is back in his office at 5am. But this is this was his life. So things will change. You know, I think, environmentally for the better, you know, behind the scenes, but I think there's got to be noticeable change.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Sure, but I think the nose will change for the better. Hey, you know, once again, you've you've done this plenty time. So let's get right into that. Right. So, yes, so now is out there. You know, Paul avec aka Triple H, a gay King of Kings is now taking over creative control. Stephanie and Nick Khan will be you know, co CEOs, I believe. So just you know, what do you what do you see them doing? You know, in this era, now you're gonna take it over? Personally, I'm excited. So I'll get into my my thoughts in a moment. But just what do you what are your thoughts about you know, them through being in power? And, you know, how do you see things unfolding in the months to come?
Michael Marcangelo:Yeah, I think what you said earlier, is is definitely true. I don't get I don't think that there's going to be any dramatic change between now and probably Survivor Series of the rumble, right. I think that they want to make sure that that investors don't lose faith, you know, I know that that that their stock went up about like, 8%. Today, after the news of, of Triple H being in charge of creative. I also think that there's this narrative out there that you know, that Nick Khan, is this guy that doesn't care about wrestling has nothing to do with wrestling. I mean, he's childhood friends with the rock. So this guy's been in and around the business for the entirety of this entire, you know, his entire life. I think what you're gonna see, and it's, it's all all very interesting that now we're hearing, we heard the rumors last week, that they're gonna go back to TV 14, I don't think they were going to see Attitude Era like, like gratuitous violence or scandalous, you know, women, but But I do think if we see NXT 2012 through 2016, then we're going to be in for and, and if Triple H can book and we know he can. And if he's able to appoint the people that he wants to, to appoint, which is interesting to think if you would have ever said to me, you know, in 2004 Hey, Mike, and 2022, Stephanie's going to be co CEO, Triple H is going to be charged with creative. And they're going to be lobbying for Paul Heyman to have a really big driving force behind writing, I would have said that you're crazy. Right? But if if though, if that happens, if Triple H is in charge of creative if Paul Heyman is in charge of one of the shows. I mean, those are two of the some of the most creative minds in this business. I will give blood
Rayshawn Buchanan:and give him Smackdown Sure, you call him a smackdown Smackdown. Well, Paul, he moves on to SmackDown at the 2000s on a ruthless aggression era. SmackDown was the a show. Yeah, once again, they'll be able to do a great that
Michael Marcangelo:rod needs it more now. Ross three it's hard. It's hard to watch a flip sort of raw live three hours, it's tough. I think I think Haman had a good idea in the in the, in the PC era, trying to push younger talent. But with the lack of a crowd, no news of that got over, you know that they give it back to to Bruce, you know, whatever. I think WWE is in a very, very interesting position. I just hope that that it's not in a position to to sell anytime soon. Because if Stephanie's co CEO, excuse me, and Triple H is in charge of creative. And we get Paul Heyman there and he has creative control. We could be on the on the precipice of another wrestling Renaissance. Now it's not going to be Attitude Era like, but if it's if the stories make sense, if these storylines make sense. And if we know the matches will because tribulation is not going to let the matches get thrown together. That don't make sense. But if we could have cohesive storylines for the first time, and I don't know, years, 10 years where it's not just your main attraction storyline, and everything else is the same match week, week in week out or it's a tag match, then I think you could see, we're gonna we'll find out how many Die Hard wrestling fans are still left and how many originally come back.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, no, that's true. But I said it's early. I wonder who left is more than to come back? And I had I've been itching to say this because I've been he's he said it on a pipe bomb years ago. So he has called us I mean, obviously without Mr. moondyne. Obviously he passed away but she called Oh, that's what is gonna be read by your stupid son
Michael Marcangelo:all his daughter and his son in law.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, so this is what happened. So I'm pretty sure he got a good laugh out of that when he when he thought what he saw that I mean listen, I I know he's an AW, I need him to he he this should be another one for SEO pumpkin. WWE. It should be I don't I know. You know he's done this thing in Aw, you know defenseman crazy to ease into space to Russell use it and I do think if once again if it's right for business.
Michael Marcangelo:Yeah, but that was a big thing. I mean, remember Triple H is the one that faxed him his his his notice on his wedding day that wasn't events. I think that changed sales
Rayshawn Buchanan:next world is the business as Dave is able to say once again able to say it on air I'm you know, the authority that you know you make that happen but I'm thinking about the chief leaves the Adam Cole's putting out whatever is left and that's higher frame building first I think that's probably not going to come back from a decade ago was probably I borrowed over you we just need to fucking come back. Right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Almost that so
Michael Marcangelo:yeah, one more. There's one more shoe left to drop though. Who even done needs to go hmm, if you get that beaver looking bastard I out of that company. Then I think all the people that you're saying that you're talking about right now that they come back?
Rayshawn Buchanan:What and it Yeah, you gotta keep gotta keep yourself got lucky. Course. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta keep Brother Love. Gotta love, you know, got to beat him. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a new day. No pun intended to do
Michael Marcangelo:that. Can you believe it, though? Sitting here on Monday, July 25 2022. It's the you were in the arena the day that it happened? Of course you weren't because you're always there. But as has it sunk in that Vince is no longer part of the AWA?
Rayshawn Buchanan:No, it has it. It as it as it. It. It wasn't good to me. I'm like, I just I can't see him fully pulling back. Like, yeah, he stepped away from the title, that telling you to master not making decisions behind the scenes, not bringing people to the house and saying, hey, you know, how are you? I'm good, man. You know, that's happening. Still, that's happening. Once again, it did this. He's still people still wants to be him. But regardless, it was going down. There was someone to meet him and like so you know, if he, you know, I just think to me, there's no way he relinquished everything. I just And once again, he may have been forced to obviously, which once again is completely and totally understandable. Yep, would not I'm not here. I'm not here to refute that. I just don't think once again, it's the back to the Mark Henry thing. I got a lot less
Michael Marcangelo:than to take, right. I'm sure like he could accept. I mean, his mother literally just passed away. And she was like, 103. So Right, exactly. How does he
Rayshawn Buchanan:get tonight ease.
Michael Marcangelo:But now I think he's at the point where the product is what it is. It's sure, like the TV rights to it like they're good for another couple of years. Him being there is probably more detrimental to the cause than him not being there. I know. Like you. I fully expected when I saw Vince Vince McMahon tweet that. It's been a good run. Now then now forever together. I thought Mr. McMahon was going to come out as the character like No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not just because events is God has been ongoing. But I think this is this is a clean start. What I will ask you before before you ask me the next question, what do you think his greatest achievement is? Might have been the Austin character. I wasn't mean him but he didn't he didn't want that. That was his was the ringmaster
Rayshawn Buchanan:right for Austin freezing a webinar show was where the the Austin character I mean, it's easy to say for some mania. I mentioned Yeah, but I do have that. Or even maybe honestly, maybe I'll say I'll take care of a baby take care to the best ever. Thank God that was his most his most impressive or most important move. Yeah, actually did take the take a cab and take care of character. So Austin, maybe but gonna take care of the longevity. He got him through a dark phase of WWE, you know when he was drunk the fucking clown and meno is a Jacob DDS God, Barry Windham. You know, Jesus. Oh, my God, who it was. That was? Oh, that was tough. That was tough. That was a tough, very, very tough but yeah, I would I would have to say taker is probably the greatest creation or what people don't know originally it was called Cain. The Undertaker. Yep. They dropped it out there. His his debut. So that's yeah, I gotta go take it off.
Michael Marcangelo:So creatively like in the wrestling business, I think that taker is his greatest creation, I think. And but I think that he was lucky that it was Mark Callaway because anybody else that gets a three or four year run, and then it's over. There's this wise. I think it's the network. I mean, he saw he built pay per view, and he saw the end of pay per view. And you know that that all non WrestleMania paper views were getting like 100,000 buys. And they were charging $440 a pay per view. So they said, You know what eff that I'll just create a network and I'll charge 10 bucks. And yeah, in the first when it first came out that only like 600,000 people bought it. Sure. Trust me, I was part of, I say my I was a stockholder. I was very happy with my $25 stocks. And when it fell to $7, trust me, I get it. But he stopped, he net, he never wavered. And then, you know, four years after five years later, they have 1.8 million subscribers and peacock offers in billions of dollars. So it was I thought, it's easy to say Wrestlemania. And yes, that is true. I think that all of that is true. But the fact that he realized the writing was on the on the wall for pay per views and said, You know what, I'm just going to start my own network because he had done it with the WWE 24 That was like a $5 add on for cable for a while, but to produce his own his own content, unlock the entire library, and then get it to a place where, you know, you have 1.8 or 1.5 million subscribers at $10 a month. So you're raking it in no matter what. And then, and then peacock buys you for billions of dollars. That is that is genius. business wise, not all the time. But he was he was a genius is a genius. And the wrestling industry is better off because of him. Yeah, for sure.
Rayshawn Buchanan:I mean, a listen for those that listen to this and we'll come back there are so many is once again. Can't dispute that could WrestleMania became once again the greatest spectacle in all of sports entertainment, who would have thought with Lil Paul Orndorff, aka Mr. Wonderful. And Mr. T and Roddy Roddy Piper and you know, Holger, when he when he had that he met with somebody in one quarter thought at that time, that it would it became you know, 3030 years later, you know, the biggest event to come to me and the fact that I've been to five in person, it's been is amazing. My age. I feel like a kid every time I walked in there, right? It's just It's unbelievable. Even on Friday night, mostly I've been up it's a few smart guys I've met so raw, like, what it's like when you hit you just just get that feeling. And it was great talking to two young fans about you know, the Ducard superstars like we talked about Montez Ford and Matt riddle, and we'll save just a row now so bro, you know, so we we talked about a lot of guys I said we don't we'll get into in a second. But yeah, it's just you just you get that that kid like feeling Anytime you walk into a WWE event. And once again, it's about the memories once again. My first WrestleMania watch, even though I was a narrow set, it was Boston WrestleMania 14. You know? Tyson's, especially with forsure. So why so? Three, a style called style of golf style called the austere era begins like I'll never forget that whole level.
Michael Marcangelo:The HBK failing neighborhood wants to remind you of two things. Number one, it was way faster count than that. Yes. I know actually got the I couldn't my dad and I were gonna go. But this is back in the early advent of the Internet. And he had read a spoiler that Shawn was hurt. And as the biggest Shawn Michaels fan in the world, I just couldn't be in the arena. When would he last and then when he retired, I did get the next day after WrestleMania out of school because for bereavement for Shawn, but I mean, my earliest my earliest WrestleMania memory was was savage versus flair. WrestleMania 892. And I just remember like, this is just so frickin cool. Coliseum home video, Sean Moody. Todd Pettingill. You had Bobby Heenan gorilla monsoon. And that so yes, for those of you again, that aren't watching me that aren't watching us and they're listening. I am not excusing the behavior of the man. What I am saying is that he did wrong things. But I can't ignore the good that he did for a business. And for me, personally and not not for nothing. If it wasn't for Vince McMahon. My wife and I would not have this house. Fat
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, yeah. So but put it like this to what what do you what do you say if you listen to this to say, both of y'all are wrong, is Hulk Hogan.
Michael Marcangelo:It's Hulk Hogan what Hulk Hogan got them the network, you know, the
Rayshawn Buchanan:whole COVID is the greatest generation of web.
Michael Marcangelo:And I think that he was the perfect manifestation in the 80s. Like he was the right guy at the right time, and did all the right things. But seeing the He's better than Hogan. And all in every facet, it's just Hogan was the first. So it pays to be the first. I think Austin, it wasn't his creation, but I think yeah, I think that the next comp is is Cena. And if you think about all the quality of matches, a seat is way more of a Hollywood star that Hogan ever could be although he always wanted to be. I think he's crossed over more than the mainstream. I think she was better on the stick better in the ring. But yeah, listen, Titan tower was built on the on the back of Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant for sure. But Hogan also not for nothing, is the reason that there's no wrestlers union, had he not marked out and staged out to Vince about the boys talking about a union, then there would have been one because Jesse Ventura wanted there to be one. Right Hogan students doubt because he didn't want to lose his top spot. It's just it's this business, the fact that it's still around in today's day and age. Now it's a little bit different, remarkably different. But it is the wild wild west. So and in my, in my opinion, you can discount the fact that from what he took over, when he bought it for a million dollars, it's now currently worth 5.6 billion in four years. That's what the be, and that's after two failed X CFLs. The man did something right. business wise, personally, seems to be a bit of a wreck.
Rayshawn Buchanan:But I'm like this, but is this so many in his business that people revered that had wild? Moments outside of the ring? So what just started just talked about Hulk Hogan, our guy we both love Sean Miranda, you love him more tonight than I do. But I might charge him I was heading Southside ring. I'm trying to Oh, monster man had his shots out and we're like, everyone had a yes or no salary. So it's like, we I mean, we could pick and choose all day about who we're going to read when we still love. But once again, you hold on to the memories, you're going to hold on to Steamboat, and savage WrestleMania three, which is a top 10 Max, ever, ever, ever, ever. I don't care, whatever. I don't care, you could talk about a kid called buddy Bruno Sammartino tilicho Love, I don't care. We want to talk about Steve Steve bowl. Ever at Stanford University Media three. It's a top 10 match of all time. And that's when the icy title meant something. It was a it was a hold of the pockets one other day, but oh my
Michael Marcangelo:god, before you move on the Open Heart thing is a huge thing. And, yes, I think that there's, you know, there's all we don't know why he wanted to do that. We don't know why it was that night. We don't know why he picked the rigging crew that he that he picked, and all the hell that went into that all that you know, the lawsuit, everything like that in the fact that, you know, kids are without a father, a wife was without a husband at an early age. And he was uh, one of the greatest, most underrated performers ever. But from a character perspective, you take all of that, in 2010. He has Bret Hart AK in a Wrestlemania match after the I suffered three strokes and can take a bump, and just lets him and the remaining and the remainder of the Hart family is going to hold the hell out in front of 80,000 people. So he would do whatever whatever he had to do to sell a ticket. I think that yes, his downfall, like most of his generation that came up when they came up. It's very similar. But when you think about what he started from and what he did the heights that he took his industry to you have you have to at least say the men knew what he was doing from a business point of view. For sure.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'd like to you can either I don't know this is the appropriate song but I mean, it's funny, whatever further, we can cut it later on. But you know, Alexa, play Frank Sinatra my way like that he did he did it his way. And you know, it was pointed out that dash dash is what is this? Once again vents. Mr. McMahon, you know, congrats on a phenomenal career you know, this despite the transgressions despite the shortcomings new fabric changed the business you know, for a long time you were the business you were the guy not just a guy but you were the guy when he came this was entertainment so you know we thank you for the memories we thank you for the moments to come as well because obviously distributors should hire now that are going to give us moments so we're going to get into that shortly. So let's just get into that. So but once again, you know, you know that they get
Michael Marcangelo:freaked out like my I'm just so confused, right? My parting thought is thank you for everything but fuck you for making a turn out this way. Right? It didn't have it, it did not have to go this way. It's your sendoff should be something that is admired. Had you just not done the stupid shit that you've done in with in regard to when, by just don't do that shit like, don't don't do that right and like let this be a lesson out there like you are not this guy. This guy was Fannie Mae, this guy was too big to fucking fail, and they outed him. So don't do that because it will make you have to say, every 10 seconds like I've said on this 20 minutes show so far. I'm not talking about him the person when in reality, we could be here celebrating all the accomplishments, all the numbers that he gave us, we have to remind you that we're not endorsing his behavior because he was an asshole. Right. Sorry.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Does that. That's was yeah, we will. We'll leave we'll leave it there. So now we are to the greater spectacle and summer and that is the summer that is SummerSlam taking place this Saturday, July 30. In Nashville, Tennessee. I wish I could be there. I definitely want some Nashville hot chicken. Hola. Hola. You know, in addition to being at the actual event, can I think SummerSlam what else SummerSlam was the only big four. All right, everybody Simon minister, boxers, anything but I'll be there in November 26. We need to fucking go to a lot. I'm tired. We need to go. I'll be there. Okay, we didn't make it happen on November 26. But we're going okay. This is the way I got it. I got it on there. It's not do text message to withhold a private series. The verb is only six. Okay. I'm not working now. Shall I'm going to be there. I'm going to shoot. Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's not it's not a prediction. It's a spoiler. So yeah. So let's see, yeah, greatest place to go to some SummerSlam. Take a base, take a play, excuse me, Nashville, Tennessee, the Saturday so we're just gonna go to the car to give our predictions and know what will be out of the way. So on the first match, so they were a tag team at WrestleMania 38. And you know, that Ms. does what he does best and turns on his partner Logan, Paul. So just, you know, what are your thoughts about this mat chair? And would would we have one?
Michael Marcangelo:Yeah. So I'm actually I'm always I'm always intrigued with the missus doing because I was a fan of the Miss on the railroad back to New York back in 2000. I thought I just never seen on MTV, like, a character a person that was such a big wrestling fan. And as a fast forward, he's a multi web champion. And the fact that in recent memory, he is the guy that celebrities are in the ring with so they know that he can get them over. I think I think Logan Paul personally could be a scumbag. I don't know that. That I have no reason to back that up. I think that I think it could be right though. But athletically. I think he wants this and I think he's he's trying and I credit bad bunny. For what he did that at 37 because it was easy for a celebrity to walk in to a mania and mail it in like Floyd did. Although it was entertaining. I like Shaq did but bad bunny now set the bar that if you're going to do a match at Mania, you better know what the hell you're doing. Right? I thought Logan Paul. I thought he showed a lot of promise. I think this match is going to be really entertaining. And I'm actually looking forward to it. It's gonna I'm gonna be rooting for the MS because I don't know how anybody can root for Logan Paul. I think Logan Paul is going to win it and he should win if he if he did in fact sign a contract with WWE because Ms can lose. You know we always used to say no coziness about Sean and Brad and all the great workers. But they kept they haven't mastered the broomstick. The MS could lose to a broomstick. And you'd still want to see his next match. That's how good he is on the mic. So I think Logan Paul is gonna when he needs it more than the news does. Yeah,
Rayshawn Buchanan:no, I agree with you that I do say before I give my opinion on the match. I do believe he does. There's another one I mean obviously with him when he won money to bake and then he came in and be was it was a Roman I think it would mess that well but he came in it was just they were still doing the Thunderdome stuff then but big Biggie so with that no that's missing there. Ah no visible good. Lastly got him for his house. So no, it was it was it was it was done it done it no but it either way. He deserves another run because it was only like it was like a month. It was a month for the title. Drew McIntyre Drew McIntyre. So it was a go. Yeah. So these drew in this. Okay, so maybe you should get another one at some point was he and he's been down. He's been here for 1516 years, but has come a long way from reading the script on his arm. He else came a long way from that, you know, that's his job to see the Souhei it's all on the wrist. Right? So Oh it's a he's come a long way from that so I just think that you know he's held the company down so yeah you reward those guys for being you know being loyal and obviously getting not only himself over but the talent that he's in and ring with consistently gets over because of his talent but the answer does match I do believe that local poll does one I think that I thought I thought it was official he just had a casual I don't think it was a work I think that he's actually legitimately working towards being being that and once again, those those poll both want to capitalize i Say what you will about them how they may act, how they may do business, but you know, I'm not a businessman I'm a business man like they they they hand they handed their shit so I love it honestly. But yeah, Logan Paul shows it to win nice to win but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets to win and then like you know Mississippi know that the skull crushing finale right afterwards whatever it you know, somber whatever, it has boy heat as usual. So I would
Michael Marcangelo:love by the way this is never gonna happen as somehow Damien Sandow came back to us Logan Paul, because I thought sand down this together we're just money, money,
Rayshawn Buchanan:that but as I say that's another thing is like that was what that was that 2016 2017 Raw Smackdown that that was that that was a really really good time to be a wrestling fan. Like they are talking about multiple stories that people were invested in I doubt that was that was one of them. Obviously, the listing Oh, if that that was That was phenomenal. So yeah, I would I would love to see Sandell come back, and you know, just take off his glasses. I can put it back on. Oh, that that would be great. And it leads to a maximum of them to all that that would be that would be great. So next we have the original grow against Seth freaking Rollins. So I'll start with this one. You know, I am a Seth Rollins guy, but I can't pick them here. I'm gonna go on gold overdose. I still wanted to Cherry Hill The one we've spoken about. I think I did have to happen by Seabrook as you heard a little kiss Phillips talking about that and he was like, why don't you want me to be you on my name with him put him in a suit buddy. You know cut his hair and and you know, you know talk about you know someone with a bro you know, whatever. And he was like oh, like when it was awesome man. I'm like I'm a you don't like you don't get the business Yeah, but it's it's uh it's okay sorry kid. Like we're not ready. We're gonna get there but he does love Montez for so I gave him a high five for that one but so wherever you are a kid you know you're on your own or something but yeah, I got rid of Whitney blush. I love Seth Rollins Abigail is the best of the business but between him and AJ Styles but yeah, I got rid of one in this one
Michael Marcangelo:Yeah, so this is this is a match that I'm most excited for outside of the the tag match because I think the tag match is going to be hard to live to live up to it what they did muddy the bank that was unreal unreal on real but this match both of these guys need a win so and events we're still looking at you'd say all bolted away and so do a DQ I don't think that there's going to be a DQ here. I think you have to have Rollins go over. It's it's it's much easier for a face to chase a heel than it is for heel the face to face. And Rollins losing to essentially a one armed Cody rose and Helena Sal Actos into habit mania. He needs he needs a win. Riddle feels like he's on that upward trajectory. Rollins is essentially untouchable. But if you want him to to square off against Roman at any point in time, then he needs to be he needs to be formidable. I love both of these guys. I mean, I think there's this match has a chance to steal the effing show but I want riddled to win but I think Rollins is going to win and I'm okay with it.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, I mean listen I'm not gonna be heartbroken if if I hear Bernie out and whoa oh so good. I mean the whole crowd was goes with it but listen Forest River goes on top of the trajectory like you're right because listen, his merch is on fucking fire like the case Friday night. They was they was at those two there was a bunch of arcade bro shirts like he's down that's why I voted they're not gonna get him out of this it's like that they like as long as they're making them money merchandise wise like but I'm I'm I'm telling you all I said let's some might listen to Craig I'm telling you if you turn him he'll like champion at some point you only watch
Michael Marcangelo:TV though he'd be the white pot smoking rock yeah yeah. Yeah,
Rayshawn Buchanan:I just to me, I mean I don't even want to say like they're not even like read this because when there was ever a heel but I just to me He wished he would reach those levels because VanDamme was super over and never won a world title until one night stand so he was super old rubber dam was my cups. I was watching Robert every week to see what he would do between him and Jeff Hardy back in the day so you know it just goes to show that you know the title doesn't always make you you may make the title too but that's the whole point isn't to so next we have a rematch you know of the 26 seconds or 20 seconds with the man handle slam. We got the the greatest hits that was the baddest, the roughest the toughest, my baby. What crushed my wrestling crush. Miss Bianca Bill Bellaire against Becky lives
Michael Marcangelo:to man so who didn't die Was that a good girl the man Rick's gonna get mad at that. It's big time backs.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Sorry. Backs My bad. So yeah, big time. Okay.
Michael Marcangelo:This story is an old school wrestling story. It's they book this the way they used to book things back in the 80s. In the early 90s. This started last year. You thought it ended at WrestleMania? By the way their match at WrestleMania. With those night one was the best match. That was that was? Yeah, I thought Cody and Seth tore down. This is the best match on that night. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it was technically perfect. These two can go. I think. I think Bianca is to a point now where she's almost at a at a position where she can lose in a while matter. But she's not there yet. She has to be Becky Becky that Becky can lose as many times as she as she needs to because she didn't lose three years. So she's fine. She's good on the mic. She's good in the rang. Bianca is just now. I mean, I think for the broader audience. Now she's being accepted as she's good on the mic. We all know that she's good in the ring. If you see her, she wasn't all the physical theater. If you see her, you love her. Like, I remember that the first rumble that she was in, and I was seated. We know with my wife and I said they will print money with her. Because she just has it. She just has it. She has the thing what on the on the walk to the ring. While she's in the ring that you can't teach. And you can teach people how to talk. She's getting better. I think she needs to beat Becky more than Becky needs to beat her. I would not be surprised if everyone's expecting Charlotte to come back and, and interfere with with Liv and and Rhonda if Charlotte you know kind of peaks her head into this match. But I want I want Bianca to win. And I'm a nobody is a bigger Becky fan than I am because actually out of the four horse four horsewomen Well, I guess Bailey could come back.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, that's, that's that's what I want. I want to build to come back into play. I'm Alison and I understand that Charlotte
Michael Marcangelo:is no fucker. She's great, but she's
Rayshawn Buchanan:just I'm sick of the narrative. I'm sick of her. It's just it's I'm bored. I'm over there. She's
Michael Marcangelo:She's always Cena.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yes. Exactly. Exactly. So I need I need another one. Like I mean, maybe maybe she comes back and has a 2017 Cena one when you know that matches up with him to AJ Styles everywhere. Rumble. Oh, to me was one of his best matches all time like then he has to measure no mercy against race that year. Like he had a great 2017 The Jaylen WrestleMania 33 has a great tag team match against Ms it and memory so he that that's where Chela gotta get back to that because like says she gets away sooner where it's like, no, what the fuck? Like, I see you all the time. I'm good. Go chillin on dry. Good roll. I don't I don't get to see you like it's I'm good.
Michael Marcangelo:Like, you don't want to know the outcome. You know what I mean? It's like, sorry, sorry, every time Yes. That's that's Oh, a Tina. But you know, 2015 Seto when he had the US the US title. Omen challenge. What do you buy what it was Rusev when it was Sandy Zane was what it was Katie kale Elimination Chamber when he when he lost cleanly, like that's, that's what you want. I would love Bailey to come in. But overall, Bianca needs to go over in this match. She needs it more than Becky does. Yeah. And listen,
Rayshawn Buchanan:I'm bald with Bianca Bel Air like she's she's become my favorite. I have made that known. Once again. I love I love the women's division overall. All right, yeah. So let's see. Let's see. And so when we talked about it last year, but who's gonna win the 2021? Wherever rumble could. I remember the showing that she had in 2020 out of Houston. I'm like she He's I mean she's ready now like it's not a next year thing she's ready like now now to win and I'm glad to have been solved I'm glad the rest of them saw it and trip wait that she had she's a she's 100 girls she said she he like that he knows and it was like he knows the business he knows who could be over like he knows so I'm glad that she is on this run. And I'm hoping that I think even if she loses it like it like classes champions or whatever, like have her win here, so it could be like Oh, last year you snuck up on me it got me but I showed you tonight why I'm the greatest assemblage the baddest the quickest the sharpest, the fastest whatever like that. You know once again that that's that's where it is back back and once again it is the incredible like that that's where I need it to happen. So yeah, I got Bianca winning I'm super biased I don't care but more her to win on on Saturday night so next we have Pat McAfee first ball mass score big Yeah, it was so great to say that score but so I chose to fantasy but I saw him when he when he did a little sneak attack and you see him coming from the backstage on level three and under guarded and to jump over it and didn't attack them or whatever that that was that was pretty dope see to see live. I was at Oh, this is how to do certain days and it is pretty cool. So I'm actually I'm actually excited for this guy. I like Pat McAfee gets it. Y'all he gets it. He does do just get he understand. It's actually he understands plus entertainment. He's phenomenal on the might already like he's great. And by far like he is he has saved Michael Kors career. And Michael Kors has acknowledged that but he has saved Michael Kors career far of the announcement today because listen, he admits had about that was his best one. But he just has now the second best run in his career and now that he's worked with McAfee, but I love what McAfee brings, and you know, what corporate and corporate has done and what they've needed him to do to whether it's losing money in the bank. You know, his idea of the lone wolf one is that you obviously you know, they had him cut his hair, whatever, like he he's been in spots where you know, he's got to serve people over so you know, he's been pretty loyal his time, you know, here as well. But yeah, I'm actually I do think they're gonna get Corbin to get this win. But I'm excited to see how his national folds but I probably win.
Michael Marcangelo:If Corbin wins, we riot. Like that is that is how over McAfee is now there. McAfee is somebody that whatever he wants from from web UI you should give him because he is is crossover already. He's got his Pat McAfee show. Everybody knows who he is. He's a reputable source. Reputable podcaster. But like you said, he gets it. He gets the business. You were there. That ovation in Dallas. He was over. Yeah, over.
Rayshawn Buchanan:I couldn't even hear like that. That Oh, like to hear 70,000 People just you owe me like yeah, it was it was crazy. It was crazy. Like people were really excited to see him come up with I was like, wow, this is I'm gonna Yeah, this is this is not a it's not a one off. This is not a you know, just like, oh, okay, we'll see him every now and then might do might do a house show here and there. But I know like he's really. And we started doing board games when we say yeah, I mean, it was real, but we don't say it pays bait, right? No, yeah, we Yeah. We saw that spot of worthy and I was just like, oh, I said okay, this this he's not this is this is not a joke to him like this is he takes it seriously. Okay, got it. Okay,
Michael Marcangelo:here's a guy like I'm gonna use a Goldberg comparison. Goldberg is a guy that, that that is a famous wrestler that always wanted to play football. And McAfee is a famous football player. That's all that always want to be a wrestling wrestler. Yeah. That's and like, he just he understands it and whatever. It feels like they've given him a pretty big leash on the mic, especially on commentary. But we are now in a situation where, yes, he better beat Baron Corbin. He better be the guy. Yeah, I don't know if there's ever been a full time announcers that's ever held the belt. Like a real one, but he should be well, I mean, Lawler probably not a wrestler. Yeah, a full time announcer that has that held the belts?
Rayshawn Buchanan:Here aren't honestly I mean, I don't know they they put dicey bullet and but I mean,
Michael Marcangelo:given the US called
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, good. Yeah, I think yeah, that out. i Yeah, yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, give me give me yours. Yeah, no state championship belt. That'd be great. I mean, he's not really Lastly, we'll get to that. But if that's the case, I'm just like, okay, you know, but yeah, that would be pretty cool to see. But yeah, I'm with you. And I feel like the crowded tendency is with you, too. I feel like they will say, hey, if he doesn't win, and it's a problem, but I just sent me I felt like you know they always let some type of heal when at some point and I feel like corporates obligated to do that as of getting the job done if it heals they're gonna win the next match. Gotcha. Okay, cool so snagged down or I noticed right down the YouTube oh yeah just smack dab was back down at Ross unified Tag Team Championships the Russos want to lose the penitentiary I had the video on my phone like I lost my shirt like I love doing so but I really love the office too. I just And you kind of alluded to it a few minutes ago but that that match and money to bake
Michael Marcangelo:tore the house down one one should
Rayshawn Buchanan:have been that could have been a fucking matter but let's let's just be real that could have been admitted there should have been innovated really? And I told someone in the last five years that's the best typing I've seen. That might have been the last decade the best tag team match I've seen like add funny lo and behold into the use of producers 2017 What's the 2017 was just phenomenal first due date and Helen to sell whatever it was like white paper that was like it's just like how do you top this and then listen man put give give I know it doesn't fit the storyline. I know it may now know maybe it's time I don't know but the strip habits disturb this dog like hate they I they they deserve this they deserve this time the answer the point that they can lose like you said they're at a point that they can lose an entire cycle within their character. This is by far the best run of the Russo's career like it's not even close they have been phenomenal and within the last 1819 months so it's time it's time months has forward is a star like there's no doubt about it. It shows X pocket hours experts say that doctors might be on his way to cool Dr. Dead damn show Mr. Jan he not he's not he he showed he showed me a man money bank he is not at marginality and once again put over for the rocker lovers out there I'm sorry it's just this it's not as once again not a prediction is just more or less backed DRS is really damn good himself he's more athletic Devo brown that that's that's you know he's really good you know saying Dylan rose I'm really good worker and in a 92 Delta so yeah, I mean I this is this is to me I don't I don't care if one of the match on the card as much as this match here I was I have not been on the edge of my seat like I was for that match they took me on a ride they took me on a journey and I made me go back and watch that match again before before someone said to me it would just so awesome but I'm going to I'm going to put the corner club said I'm going with cheap profits
Michael Marcangelo:alright so I truly believe that I think I've already said this about this about another match the card that it could steal the show the reason why i i I'm hesitant to say that this match could steal the show is because it already did. And now Now the pressures on them I think the Usos are the greatest tag team of our of our generation. Now that not the Hardys not edging Christian back, you know back in the Attitude Era. But these they get great matches out of everybody. Everybody they step in the ring with that being said I do think that Montez Ford is a star the next star and he should be anointed soon I don't want Angelo Dawkins to be less than the dark but if it's if it's a matter of is is monitors for the next guy or do you keep them together to make sure that that darkness doesn't fall sorry. Like get get Montez Ford up so I didn't use those. I think the bloodline gimmick is so strong and is still so cool like it's almost it's another heels but you don't hate them because they just deliver every single time they're kind of like evolution. towards the ends like they always just deliver I think that je double f j a double R E double T could pose as a pretty good prop in this match. I think he might I think he might play. Everyone wants to play babyface I think he might play he'll in order to promote his July 31 match against Rick. But I think the Usos win. And I think the way to make Montez Ford a star out of this match is to have him turn heel because if he does not turn heel he will be a babyface sidecar to Bianca Bel Air and we can't have that so I put the use was over. I I think that you can always go back to to the street profits if you if you ever need to. But who says the EU Susan the bloodline need this more than either street profits do so I'm picking the USS
Rayshawn Buchanan:but they they had no one the wrong estimate downsides and where they haven't they've only been smacked on sanction chambers right? They should know they were wrong. Remember they were wrong they were just
Michael Marcangelo:that stupid sever the Viking raiders of the bowling competition and dodgeball yeah
Rayshawn Buchanan:guys right yeah so I was at breakfast into on Friday to either seen similar similarly Bibles I was impressed with them on Friday night to the new officious Viking raiders as they were they were announced to us but I don't know what I don't know if I if I share that sentiment though about the bloodline needing it more once again they're stronger than ever and you could you can always run and I get it get as low as it ties into the whatever city they're in acknowledge me know we got all the gold but most of the good deeds I said these days is on fire and I'm talking about wood, wood, Docklands and Ford and asking good
Michael Marcangelo:questions. The answer to your questions Does it would it hurt the street profits more if they won this and and then they lost in two months? I think it would.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Right, but I'm sorry, I'm not thinking that way. I'm thinking give give them a run give them a run. Now it'd be a year long run but give them a regular WrestleMania as his hazing champions coming to champion that that would be amazing. So it goes through goes through the rubble goes through survival centers go through all that like the deed as I was saying, I was I was already sold on them money in the bank sealed the deal for me. I'm like, and the crowd was again, but you say oh what's weird for the people? There is not a person in that building. That was not all they ever wanted was on their feet. Yep. But then you had an ailment and not you was on your feet cheering for whoever won. But when when Martinez forward hit das flash and you hit a collective one to edit he you know he got white flight that crowd was his light and once again they took them on a ride and it's there it's a me this reminds me of Kofi Beckett Twain it right. And I know that was kind of we're getting out what happened to the game out of nowhere. They had they had their coffee moment of add money in the bank. Is there is there for the taking given to them is there is there it's a way of
Michael Marcangelo:just remember though, that crowd reaction was organic. It was because of a great match, but it's also because the heels are unbeatable right now. And and you believe that they could be beaten? And why lose that? If the shoe profits when that was my only point there and my next question, what are the rockers stacked up in your top 10 of tie of tag teams? Are they your top 10? Yeah, it would be by like 70 Okay, because they never held the the Tag Team titles.
Rayshawn Buchanan:But once again, shout was that good? You guessed it I'm saying they would they would that good together.
Michael Marcangelo:So the street pilots don't actually need this.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yes, but to me, I feel like they could be higher than what the rockers were like they can easily jump into the top five. And I know people hold Legion of doom. Rock rollers press they they hold those that wanted to find so if you want to put new day there the new so like, to me, all the w's for that matter. The Hardy Boys like there's there's plenty of teams that Harlem heat that come into mind. I just think these guys are up next. And they're way better than what kind of time was gonna be the better than some other tattoos and we thought we're going to be just the next big thing but these guys have AIDS. And I'm like, yo, like, even if it's just one one more time you give them the run and then they change the rest of their career but I'm telling you these boys is on fire. I had the video even for Friday night when they emergency dropping them wrestle cubs drop the crowd when that's in Boston, they're on fire. They're they're on like, just just that to me. They i i felt maybe because we grew up in that era. Like when when the guy was white or the guys were white hot or girl was white hot. They ended up putting the title on them like that. Definitely you do like you don't, you don't say well, we'll just get the tapes and keep chasing you chase it like you know what, you got something there. You have something there. Let let them let them run with it. And then once again, you build for it and you build more tests for it from there by you. So if you want to have your Brutus beefcake moment when he you know he's he kicks him through the glass or whatever. Okay, fine, great, great. Well, I'd say COLLECT Let them have this moment. They just they've earned this moment they deserve this moment. And once again, you want to make it the minute they start going into 2023 By all means, you know do so but I just say they deserve this. Just one time I said I could attempt the whole hour about that match because I think it's going to be the match all book The you know the whole the whole event but you know it is what it is. So let's do rapid Pfeiffer's Jan though we already past the hour or so. US set title last Lashley a theory
Michael Marcangelo:last seat better when you deserve to win. It won't be the last time we see a theory.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Oh if it's always money to bank so yeah so and then yeah so I got last year pertaining to so Alright, next oh and I met you on Friday Miss Liv Morgan she is so nice she is so sweet backstage super short but she's she's really she's really sweet and kind of wandering
Michael Marcangelo:over is Hollywood is Hollywood crushing?
Rayshawn Buchanan:I am as she wandered over because you only live once a day I was I was like I might Good evening champion she just she just started to blush to smile. Thank you so yeah, like I I have lived retaining once again she another one she proved okay she's a perfect example what I'm just saying what I've said what would put St Patrick's Day day one when she when she when it gets Becky that was her Pruvit moment she proved to the backstage and gorilla she proved to the fans that night if you give her one she did she could go she proved that a Dave want to get Becky Lynch big tires back wherever you want to call her she proved that she got it so that's I'm saying when people show that they got what the title loan of see what they can do with it now if they fall didn't you take it off for them but let them see what they can do so I love the fact that she got the tunnel over right now and see what happened but I got hooked the trainee I have a retaining I think is going to be a hell of a match because I mean we're Rhonda has invested rod runs like the female rock where Ron has invested Rhonda is gonna give you she's gonna give you everything she got but I got I gotta live retaining in this match here.
Michael Marcangelo:I didn't live retains I go for a handshake at the end of the Rhondda turn steel and bridges. Right. Yeah. Which will only make live better. Right for sure. I think that's the right thing to do. Yeah, absolutely.
Rayshawn Buchanan:We agree there. And then the the main events, you know, for like the 17th time.
Michael Marcangelo:Yeah, I don't I don't care. I truly don't care. Yeah, I
Rayshawn Buchanan:mean, you know, the only time I was pissed off was was 34. And I was there for that. I mean, like the fans were pissed. I was tired. It was late. I was like, I wanted to get some crawfish. I'm tired. It's like outside. So my flight leaves at 7am Most like at least thumb me. This is ridiculous. But yeah, cowboy Brock second best run is to rear outside Next Big Thing errored out that was awesome to see against against the head of the table. You know, all the major thing godmode men that has the greatest on another level. Roman Reigns. What do you got? Brazil? Why?
Michael Marcangelo:Yeah. So I think that this is gonna be the best match of all their matches. Because they're, they've, there's, it's no holds barred. They can do whatever they want to do. I think there's gonna be a lot of theatrics, which I think you're great. I think these are two great storytellers. At the end of the day, I do think that Brock loses as clean as you can. And in this type of a match to Roman. I think it's the right thing to do. I think Brock always knows what the right thing to do for businesses. I'm happy that he returned to the garden after the news of events retiring came out. And he left. I think that that says more about what he how he feels about the fans rather than how he feels about the business because I think he truly does care about the performance that he puts on for the fans. I think these two for whatever reason, like people Yeah, they scoff there's just something there. It isn't a rock Austin it's but it is an ordnance Cena will like whenever they get into the range, it is good. They just make you believe that they that they're going to tear each other apart. I think rains retains I think theory comes out sees it rains isn't as vulnerable as he should be and does not try to cash in and leaves grabbing the theory has been telling us they've been doing it anyway. Telegraph's their moves. So they're telling you that there's going to be a cash in at SummerSlam you should bet your house that there's not going to be a cash in at SummerSlam I think that
Rayshawn Buchanan:it shouldn't be he's not Seth Rollins. Like, last night.
Michael Marcangelo:Seth Rollins wasn't Seth Rollins in a month. They waited nine months to do that.
Rayshawn Buchanan:No, I know. But it said but that's even his it from the shield stuff. They're gonna you know, he comes out. And obviously, you know, we want me to call Heiser the century. Like, I mean, it looks I'm still in shock. 70 years later, and I'm like, I can't believe it, but it worked. And it was perfect. I feel they're trying to make him the next step in that regard, in a way and I'm just like, but you know, I mean, listen, you got to be open to new stars, but give give take what you
Michael Marcangelo:want. Maya my if I'm booking into the future. I think that reigns is gonna win at some of the some of the you're gonna retain all the way through media. I think he's Gonna lose to the rocket mania and I think theory is gonna catch it and beat the rock at WrestleMania 39 in LA that's how you make a star rock doesn't get hurt. Rome doesn't get hurt. Everyone walks out okay.
Rayshawn Buchanan:And then he also their customer promo at town down there walks out jobs to my dad. I mean that that would that I'd rather that happen than him cashing in
Michael Marcangelo:semi he would literally just do what would Romans did it at 34 walk out the next date and say this is my yard now a town down. And
Rayshawn Buchanan:I'm like, oh, that Oh, that would be or or whatever city they're in. Yeah, or there'll be there'll be in LA so Hollywood, Los Angeles or jet that that would be gold. Actually. I'd be I'd be here for that. At that point. I'm just not feeling them right now. But I'd be happy for that and somebody will be there that he will be there. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. You know, so I think that but yeah, I'm gonna go with Roman too. I think that you know, you actually want you booked this two years ago. I think at the he came back from some of what it was someone said two years ago. And you know, you're nothing without me. They're not going in Hollywood slash seminar fee and doing all this stuff. Well, I thought was coming back I mean that that promo I was like, he's he's in the building. He's here. I was waiting for that. I was waiting for the candle lead to go. And I was like, Hey, we're here. Like, I was waiting for that moment. But it is one of those but yeah, I got I got Roman retaining. And, you know, I just think to me, I'm hoping just a better 31 was the best match up to date in my opinion, because it's interesting.
Michael Marcangelo:I guess it Yeah,
Rayshawn Buchanan:just yeah, just just a moment for me. I feel like 31 was the
Michael Marcangelo:lesson there's their greatest Royal Rumble or their super showdown whatever the hell that was after mania When? When when the cage collapsed. That was pretty good. Yeah.
Rayshawn Buchanan:Yeah, yeah, I guess I guess honestly, just for what happened I remember 31 More obviously because of how it ended in actually remember wanting to handle business then, you know, Bob was one of the few that was in his corner at that time, because I know that he would become a he and Roman and he would always send it to you because he was gonna be pushed like crazy. And it was just like, oh, like dickless hell he got the rock poop outfit. It's like Damn, I've already been born in rock I heard somebody I really don't want this man to get all this I'm like she's my this this this this is ridiculous. You know so I mean you hear his term but also but either way this this is gonna be really really really great show. Good card. Yeah, very good card.
Michael Marcangelo:There's not one match on this card that I don't want to see. Yeah, and let's say they
Rayshawn Buchanan:say the the message they gotta let you know the EU souls and shoe parties yeah live up to what we saw money in the bank. I thought that was a great way to protect both teams by having the harm lifted up. I was able to I was pitched and i right. So you know if I'm if I cheat about a match right away, that's how you don't want Absolutely. Is that the usually I'll wait I'm always talking about it afterwards. Like in live action. I was like, No, fuck it looks like she's going like I was like hell but like, we want to smoke weed. He wants this. I was so ready to hear and you're undisputed Tag Team Champions. Metasploit Angelou doctors this show I was ready I was ready to have that moment. It likes it I was there like I said I keep going back to this it's one thing to watch out TV WrestleMania 35 would happen and I'm sure they all they do whatever they piped in or what have you heard it? I was there and I'm telling you when when when that new day and use a kid when he ended with the SOS and 123 and 80,000 at once. I mean I'm good I people was hugging me like you would have thought it like if like your dad was sumo like you know it was it was just so much going on. It was yeah, it was like it was it was crazy. So it was just like it was out of control. So I was like wow, I want to see another moment like that. We can have a Saturday do the right thing Hunter there your guys there NAC got to the right thing Hunter are all here to do was shake my hand. But let's get into that real quick. I'm just taking over. I think there's gonna be awesome dude, we got to the car. I think it's gonna be awesome. There's a reason why it went up 8% 10% Whatever it was Triple H Paulo back, Hunter Hearst Helmsley King of Kings. Mr. Pettit, whatever you want to call it like he didn't he knows the business in and out. He knows a star when he sees Oh yes, this guy that you miss on obviously but his track record speaks for itself and disguises in AWS as geysers in New Japan, there's a guy assessing impact somebody's already to come home because I haven't been the same since I left what his booking we could be back to where you was, you know, five, six years ago. And you know, sets print you know, come come back home somebody or something I need to come back. Talk to you later.
Michael Marcangelo:We'll say I got nothing else to say but triple ACES is head of creative for web we shall mobile's is head of credit for NXT that in this show, I guess is just to Sweden. You